Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:08 AM - Re: Garmin GPS LCD? (Denny Mortensen)
2. 04:35 AM - Re: Garmin GPS LCD? (Harley)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Aircraft Wiring for Smart People (Ken)
4. 06:35 AM - Touch screen in an aircraft (Ken Simmons)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Werner Schneider)
6. 08:36 AM - Sam James Cowl and Plenum (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
7. 08:57 AM - Re: Education (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:57 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Steve Maher)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Bruce Gray)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Sam James Cowl and Plenum (Matt Prather)
11. 09:34 AM - Re: Sam James Cowl and Plenum (f1rocket@comcast.net)
12. 09:34 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Ken Simmons)
13. 09:49 AM - Sticky Labels (Bryan Flood)
14. 10:14 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Rob Housman)
15. 10:28 AM - Re: Sticky Labels (Terry Watson)
16. 10:30 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Ken Simmons)
17. 11:09 AM - Re: Sticky Labels (Chris Good)
18. 11:14 AM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Rob Housman)
19. 11:17 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/13/04 (Speedy11@aol.com)
20. 12:55 PM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
21. 01:05 PM - Re: Sam James Cowl and Plenum (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
22. 01:32 PM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Ken Simmons)
23. 01:43 PM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Trampas)
24. 02:14 PM - Re: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question (James Redmon)
25. 03:09 PM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Eric M. Jones)
26. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
27. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Matt Prather)
28. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (erie)
29. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (Charlie Kuss)
30. 05:16 PM - Grounding in the Fuel Level System (DAVID REEL)
31. 05:52 PM - Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System (Gert)
32. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (dennymortensen)
33. 07:28 PM - Re: Touch screen in an aircraft (William)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Denny Mortensen" <dennymortensen@cableone.net>
I get a product from the drug store that is the same alcohol but is 99%.
I think it is the type they use for injections. Anyway it has a
completely different feel to it, almost dry, and evaporates very quickly
and is also cheep to buy. I use it for cleaning tape heads and ext and
it works great.
Denny
-----Original Message-----
Drugstore rubbing alcohol contains water and sometimes other
ingredients to enhance its performance on the body . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS LCD? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Danny's right....
]
I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating....
If you get the stuff labeled "91% Isopropyl Alcohol" or higher, you are
pretty safe as you are usually getting just alcohol and a little water.
So-called 'rubbing alcohol' MAY contain other ingredients ... often
oils, and sometimes salts as well (I worked at a pharmaceutical, company
in another life <G>)
Harley Dixon
Denny Mortensen wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Denny Mortensen" <dennymortensen@cableone.net>
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>I get a product from the drug store that is the same alcohol but is 99%.
>I think it is the type they use for injections. Anyway it has a
>completely different feel to it, almost dry, and evaporates very quickly
>and is also cheep to buy. I use it for cleaning tape heads and ext and
>it works great.
>Denny
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
> Drugstore rubbing alcohol contains water and sometimes other
> ingredients to enhance its performance on the body . . .
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Wiring for Smart People |
on juliet
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Well I'm not Bob but in the interests of promoting conversation:
Among other things it seems to claim that teflon wire is as good or
better than tefzel, that breakers and fuses will eventually pop if
loaded above 80%, that there are 50 lb of wire in small airplanes and a
28volt system will save 10 lb of wire, he doesn't like two alternators,
and 10 awg wire is fine for up to 100 amps of alternator output, and he
markets a fancy electronic distribution center... He does give reasons
for much of what he says - but I do like to stir the pot and he
definately diverges from the common list wisdon here!
Ken
DonVS wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
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>Bob,
>I would like your opinion of this material as well. Thanks. Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the new systems.
It seems with the proliferation of "glass cockpits" that this would follow
along. Has this been investigated and discounted for some reason? I believe many
of these are capacitive based. Is there too much interference in an aircraft
environment that makes them unreliable? Maybe cost?
Thanks.
Ken
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
Ken,
I know at least a privat developed system using a touchscreen in a Glastar
and it's working fine.
Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the new
systems. It seems with the proliferation of "glass cockpits" that this would
follow along. Has this been investigated and discounted for some reason? I
believe many of these are capacitive based. Is there too much interference
in an aircraft environment that makes them unreliable? Maybe cost?
>
> Thanks.
> Ken
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Sam James Cowl and Plenum |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
I'm seriously considering a Sam James Cowl and Plenum . . . I will probably
be installing some form of a carbureted 0-360 with either a Hartzell or
Whirlwind c/s prop?!
For those of you that have done it:
Do you believe you gained the 10mph claimed?
What if any are the watch-outs for engine and propeller.
Would you do it again?
Are there any other "speed mods" that provide a good bang for the buck?
If I go down this path, I have an extra cowl (Van's, O-360 carb, c/s prop)
anybody interested??
Thanks,
Bob Christensen
RV-8 Builder in SE Iowa
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 05:23 PM 9/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>
>9/14/2004
>
>Hello Bob Nuckolls, Just sort of in passing twice recently you reminded me
>of an issue of some interest to me. The issue is how and where can we
>learn what is already so obvious (to others) that they assume it is common
>knowledge to all. Purveyors of some materials and tools in our community
>ship these items out without the slightest attempt to inform the buyer how
>to use them.
So what's new? Walk down the isles of Walmart, Target,
Cosco, et. als. and how many products offered come with
one-on-one education on their use. Of course, there are
probably some form of instructions approved by the manufacturer's
legal department . . . but if the instructions fall short of
being educational, well . . .
>The first instance was when you posted this web site page in response to a
>voltage regulator question
><http://bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218>.
>
>When scrolling through that page I came to the Dynon EFIS D-10 Kit. The
>crimper (for machined D sub pins) and the red and white plastic handled
>pin insert / extract tool in that kit reminded me that I had recently
>purchased similar items and then fumbled for a period of trial and error
>while figuring out how they were supposed to work.
Yup, many of us learned the same way. Sitting at a workbench
at Raytheon, there's usually someone close by who has already
been through the learning exercise and can shorten your own
learning experience and even offer tips for avoiding hidden
hazards. No such assistance resides in your workshop or mine.
This is why the AeroElectric-List and similar endeavors are
so important. This also illustrates the philosophy behind my
consistent advice to everyone who orders new tools and materials
for use on their airplane. ORDER EXTRA materials. Don't make the
very first pin or connector you install one that goes onto
your airplane.
>The second instance was when you posted this web site in response to a
>question on proper connector pins for MS3471W8-33S (Aero 9903) connectors.
><<http://www.ittcannon.com/media/pdf/catalogs/PV_TBF.pdf>>
>
>When I went to that site some of my questions were answered, but others
>were raised.
Good!
>Can you please provide a brief simplistic nuts and bolts tutorial, or
>steer us to one, on the subject of stripping, crimping, inserting and
>extracting the commonly available machined pins for the commonly available
>D sub connectors?
>
>Some questions still remaining that come to mind:
>
>1) What about this depth of pin insertion into the crimping tool issue?
Any crimping tool worth it's salt is fitted with a positioner
that sets crimp location on the wire grip barrel. The tools
B&C sells are the same ones I used to sell. I discovered that
the stock positioner is not quite correct. Both the AeroElectric
Connection and B&C does some machine work on the supplied positioner
to correct this condition.
I note that some of the "BIG GUYS" are taking advantage of this
particular low-cost tool design. See:
http://www.amphenolconnex.com/47009.asp
http://www.etool.ca/eTool/RENDER/1/56/500/4053.html
I hope they're taking the time to do quality assurance on the
tool's functionality. I'm certain that the prices asked by
these companies is a whole lot higher than B&C's prices.
You may also find them in other catalogs at lower than
B&C's prices . . . but that's the hazards of "pulling them
of the Walmart peg" . . .
>2) How does one assure himself that the pins and tool that he has on hand
>are compatible with regard to pin insertion depth?
For the most part, the same way that an assembler on
Cessna's production line does . . . buy terminals and tools
from "qualified" suppliers. These are generally suppliers that
have complied with ALL the requirements of industrial, commercial
and military specifications. This up-front activity by the
specifying and procuring activities relieves the users from
having to be concerned about it . . . but they still have
to read the instruction manuals.
Your first line of defense against ignorance and error
is your own education. You can do that here on the list
and elsewhere. Next, identify and patronize suppliers
who understand and value the symbiotic relationship
between good service and the return business from
satisfied customers. The price of goods offered seldom
drives these relationships.
>3) Is there, should there be, any user tool adjustment in regard to depth
>of pin insertion?
No. Not for production tools. EVERY tool at Raytheon or any
other place I've worked, tools have positioners that fix the
depth of insertion (locates crimp on wire grip) and adjustable
depth of crimp (which is usually set and sealed by QA). See
pictures at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Crimp_1.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Crimp_2.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Crimp_3.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Crimp_5.jpg
Here's a cross reference list of various tools, positioners
matrixed with a huge array of pins.
http://www.astrotool.com/Products/turrets_&_positioners_for_mil-c-39029_contacts.htm
While net-searching for reference materials, I ran across
this company that offers good used tools at attractive
prices:
http://www.crimptools.com/
>4) Proper wire stripping length is determined by?
. . . a need to clean insulation away from the wire grip area. You can
usually do this by inspection. It's never more than .12" for small pins
and never less than 0.06". As a side note, I don't bother to strip
insulation from tiny wires where they'll fit into the wire grip
area without stripping. You're more likely to damage the wire by
stripping. When you think about it, the gas tight, metal-to-metal
crimp happens with such pressure that NO insulation will get in
the way . . . insulated extrudes out of the joint as the crimp
is made. I've run a variety of tests that showed no difference in
crimp strength or electrical integrity whether or not the wire
was stripped before crimping a pin to it.
>5) What about wire gage, pin, and tool compatibility? A friend has a tool
>that wont properly crimp 24 AWG wire in the pins that he has. My tool
>properly crimps 26 AWG wire in the pins that I have.
Yup, wire grip depth is adjustable on most tools as cited
and illustrated above. The low-cost tool I sold was for 22-20
AWG in standard d-sub pins and not adjustable . . . but if you're
needing to address a variety of pins and wire gages, get
an adjustable tool with interchangeable positioners.
>6) What about the crimpers that make eight indentations into the pins
>rather than just four? Superior? Essential? Where available?
Four is plenty . . . although we're seeing some 12-point
grips . . . the tool I cited at:
http://www.amphenolconnex.com/47009.asp
calls out a 12-point grip feature. If you cross-section a
installed pin and look at it under the microscope, there are
no open-air voids of a 4-point tool installation. I am
mystified as to value of increased complexity for adding more punches
to the tool.
>7) What is the story on the color bands on the pins? Pure decoration or
>are they trying to convey some important information to me?
In the far left column of the chart at
http://www.astrotool.com/Products/turrets_&_positioners_for_mil-c-39029_contacts.htm
you find M39029 series part numbers for pins. The last three
digits of the part number are often striped onto the wire grip
barrel in the same color code as resistors. D-sub pins are
M39029/64-368 and /64-369 so they'll have orn-blu-gry and orn-blu-wht
strips on barrel.
>8) Is there just one size of pins for all sizes of wire for these commonly
>used D sub connectors?
Yes, the two part numbers cited above for standard
d-sub.
>9) What is the largest and smallest size of wire that one should expect to
>be able to use in these pins and connectors?
20-22 AWG for the standard d-sub
22-26 AWG for the hi-density d-sub
>10) About that red and white insert / tool Are the two ends different? If
>so how are they different and how are they to be used?
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/dse-1.jpg
and
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/dse-1a.jpg
>11) If I buy, say 9 pin D sub connectors, from one seller to our community
>and then later buy some from another seller should I expect the connectors
>to be compatible with each other?
If they're d-subs, they SHOULD be interchangeable . . .
>There are probably other use issues that you are aware of that could
>benefit many of us. I apologize for asking such elementary questions sort
>of like asking for directions on how to use an axe or a hammer, but even
>my grandson, who is undoubtedly one of the brightest kids in the state,
>needs guidance on using those two tools from time to time.
>
>Many thanks for your continued help.
My pleasure.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
Let's see.
We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
handheld brethern.
And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
That's a hot one.
Steve Maher
San Diego, CA
--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
> <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
> new systems.
>
> Maybe cost?
>
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Because they lack tactile feedback, most pilots don't like touch screens
in airplanes.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Maher
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher
<lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
Let's see.
We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
handheld brethern.
And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
That's a hot one.
Steve Maher
San Diego, CA
--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
> <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
> new systems.
>
> Maybe cost?
>
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Sam James Cowl and Plenum |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
This seems pretty to be not on the AeroElectric-List subject matter...
Possibly
posted to the wrong list?
Regards,
Matt-
do not archive
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
> <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>
> I'm seriously considering a Sam James Cowl and Plenum . . . I will
> probably be installing some form of a carbureted 0-360 with either a
> Hartzell or Whirlwind c/s prop?!
>
> For those of you that have done it:
>
> Do you believe you gained the 10mph claimed?
>
> What if any are the watch-outs for engine and propeller.
>
> Would you do it again?
>
> Are there any other "speed mods" that provide a good bang for the buck?
>
> If I go down this path, I have an extra cowl (Van's, O-360 carb, c/s
> prop) anybody interested??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Christensen
> RV-8 Builder in SE Iowa
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sam James Cowl and Plenum |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: f1rocket@comcast.net
Go to www.rv-8.com and read Randy Lervold's comments regarding same.
Randy P.
F1 Rocket
http://f1rocket.home.comcast.net/
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
>
>
> I'm seriously considering a Sam James Cowl and Plenum . . . I will probably
> be installing some form of a carbureted 0-360 with either a Hartzell or
> Whirlwind c/s prop?!
>
> For those of you that have done it:
>
> Do you believe you gained the 10mph claimed?
>
> What if any are the watch-outs for engine and propeller.
>
> Would you do it again?
>
> Are there any other "speed mods" that provide a good bang for the buck?
>
> If I go down this path, I have an extra cowl (Van's, O-360 carb, c/s prop)
> anybody interested??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Christensen
> RV-8 Builder in SE Iowa
>
>
>
>
>
>
Go to www.rv-8.com and read Randy Lervold's comments regarding same.
Randy P.
F1 Rocket
http://f1rocket.home.comcast.net/
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-- AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen Bob Christensen"
<MCHRISTE@DANVILLETELCO.NET>
I'm seriously considering a Sam James Cowl and Plenum . . . I will probably
be installing some form of a carbureted 0-360 with either a Hartzell or
Whirlwind c/s prop?!
For those of you that have done it:
Do you believe you gained the 10mph claimed?
What if any are the watch-outs for engine and propeller.
Would you do it again?
Are there any other "speed mods" that provide a good bang for the buck?
If I go down this path, I have an extra cowl (Van's, O-360 carb, c/s prop)
anybody interested??
Thanks,
Bob Christensen
RV-8 Builder in SE
Iowa
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| Subject: | Re: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Those comments are interesting, but I guess I don't see your point. Maybe I wasn't
specific enough. I forget sometimes that this list is not just for experimentals.
For an experimental, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on TSO'd
equipment. A handheld or portable GPS is perfectly acceptable.
Many companies are developing products for experimentals with little or no intent
of a TSO. Is there some reason they haven't chosen to use touch screens? This
might give them an edge over the competition, assuming it's feasable. I've
seen a couple of homebrew EFIS systems that used laptop/computer type LCD displays,
but they weren't touch screen. The displays certainly weren't TSO'd.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>
>Let's see.
>
>We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
>same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
>
>We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
>handheld brethern.
>
>And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
>of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
>
>That's a hot one.
>
>Steve Maher
>San Diego, CA
>
>
>--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>> <ken@truckstop.com>
>>
>> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
>> new systems.
>>
>> Maybe cost?
>>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bryan Flood" <bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I am going to use Avery clear sticky backed labels on my instrument panel. I
bought the kind that are a full sheet and you print out on your ink jet.
Anyway, I was wondering if someone had a template or example of the labels
they printed. What I am trying to do is not start from scratch making up all
the borders around the text and what not when everyone seems to have all
ready done this. It would be so much easier just to change the text. I have
looked around on the internet an only come up with one example made in Visio
which does me no good considering I don't have Visio( sp?) I have followed
Bob's architecture pretty closely so hopefully about 90% of yourtext would
work perfectly for me.
Thanks, for all the help...
Bryan
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
One word: turbulence.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Simmons
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Those comments are interesting, but I guess I don't see your point. Maybe I
wasn't specific enough. I forget sometimes that this list is not just for
experimentals. For an experimental, you don't have to spend thousands of
dollars on TSO'd equipment. A handheld or portable GPS is perfectly
acceptable.
Many companies are developing products for experimentals with little or no
intent of a TSO. Is there some reason they haven't chosen to use touch
screens? This might give them an edge over the competition, assuming it's
feasable. I've seen a couple of homebrew EFIS systems that used
laptop/computer type LCD displays, but they weren't touch screen. The
displays certainly weren't TSO'd.
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher
<lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>
>Let's see.
>
>We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
>same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
>
>We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
>handheld brethern.
>
>And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
>of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
>
>That's a hot one.
>
>Steve Maher
>San Diego, CA
>
>
>--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>> <ken@truckstop.com>
>>
>> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
>> new systems.
>>
>> Maybe cost?
>>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
There is software available that formats MS Word for most sheets of Avery
labels, and probably others that can be used in Microsoft Word. I'm not
sure where mine came from, but here is a source:
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/software.htm
This of course doesn't have all the borders and font sizes that you may
want, but it sure makes it easier to create your own labels.
Terry
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bryan Flood"
<bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I am going to use Avery clear sticky backed labels on my instrument panel. I
bought the kind that are a full sheet and you print out on your ink jet.
Anyway, I was wondering if someone had a template or example of the labels
they printed. What I am trying to do is not start from scratch making up all
the borders around the text and what not when everyone seems to have all
ready done this. It would be so much easier just to change the text. I have
looked around on the internet an only come up with one example made in Visio
which does me no good considering I don't have Visio( sp?) I have followed
Bob's architecture pretty closely so hopefully about 90% of yourtext would
work perfectly for me.
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Thanks for the reply. I think that would certainly be a consideration, but I don't
see how this would be much different from some of the fancy equipment with
those small push buttons. Wouldn't turbulence be a factor in those as well?
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
>One word: turbulence.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Rob Housman
>Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
>Airframe complete
>Irvine, CA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken
>Simmons
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>Those comments are interesting, but I guess I don't see your point. Maybe I
>wasn't specific enough. I forget sometimes that this list is not just for
>experimentals. For an experimental, you don't have to spend thousands of
>dollars on TSO'd equipment. A handheld or portable GPS is perfectly
>acceptable.
>
>Many companies are developing products for experimentals with little or no
>intent of a TSO. Is there some reason they haven't chosen to use touch
>screens? This might give them an edge over the competition, assuming it's
>feasable. I've seen a couple of homebrew EFIS systems that used
>laptop/computer type LCD displays, but they weren't touch screen. The
>displays certainly weren't TSO'd.
>
>Ken
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher
><lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Let's see.
>>
>>We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
>>same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
>>
>>We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
>>handheld brethern.
>>
>>And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
>>of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
>>
>>That's a hot one.
>>
>>Steve Maher
>>San Diego, CA
>>
>>
>>--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>>> <ken@truckstop.com>
>>>
>>> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
>>> new systems.
>>>
>>> Maybe cost?
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sticky Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Bryan,
I used Avery labels type 8667 & they are holding up pretty well after 775 hours.
On my switch panel, I did spray a coat of clear lacqer after attaching the
labels & I think that did improve the look.
Here's my panel web page with some photos:
http://www.rv.supermatrix.com/photo-log/panel.html
I'm also attaching the ms word doc file in case you want to use it as a starting
point (hence the direct email since the list strips attachments).
Regards,
Chris Good,
West Bend, WI
RV-6A 775 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Flood" <bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Sticky Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bryan Flood" <bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I am going to use Avery clear sticky backed labels on my instrument panel. I
bought the kind that are a full sheet and you print out on your ink jet.
Anyway, I was wondering if someone had a template or example of the labels
they printed. What I am trying to do is not start from scratch making up all
the borders around the text and what not when everyone seems to have all
ready done this. It would be so much easier just to change the text. I have
looked around on the internet an only come up with one example made in Visio
which does me no good considering I don't have Visio( sp?) I have followed
Bob's architecture pretty closely so hopefully about 90% of yourtext would
work perfectly for me.
Thanks, for all the help...
Bryan
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
You are right of course, but small mechanical buttons, for example, provide
at least some level of tactile feedback, something completely lacking on a
flat panel display.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Simmons
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Thanks for the reply. I think that would certainly be a consideration, but I
don't see how this would be much different from some of the fancy equipment
with those small push buttons. Wouldn't turbulence be a factor in those as
well?
Ken
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
>One word: turbulence.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Rob Housman
>Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
>Airframe complete
>Irvine, CA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken
>Simmons
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>Those comments are interesting, but I guess I don't see your point. Maybe I
>wasn't specific enough. I forget sometimes that this list is not just for
>experimentals. For an experimental, you don't have to spend thousands of
>dollars on TSO'd equipment. A handheld or portable GPS is perfectly
>acceptable.
>
>Many companies are developing products for experimentals with little or no
>intent of a TSO. Is there some reason they haven't chosen to use touch
>screens? This might give them an edge over the competition, assuming it's
>feasable. I've seen a couple of homebrew EFIS systems that used
>laptop/computer type LCD displays, but they weren't touch screen. The
>displays certainly weren't TSO'd.
>
>Ken
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher
><lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Let's see.
>>
>>We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
>>same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
>>
>>We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
>>handheld brethern.
>>
>>And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
>>of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
>>
>>That's a hot one.
>>
>>Steve Maher
>>San Diego, CA
>>
>>
>>--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>>> <ken@truckstop.com>
>>>
>>> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
>>> new systems.
>>>
>>> Maybe cost?
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/13/04 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com
In a message dated 9/14/2004 2:57:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
aeroelectric-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
WHAT? No railing about to, too, two or their, there, they're or you, your,
you're or will, well or...(insert pet peeve here)... Your obviously not
totally over the edge. In you're lucid moments try to remember the "do not
archive" since that drives others insane two8-)
Greg,
Good points. I blame the other grammatical errors on teachers. But, the
guys on this web are pilots, so even given poor teaching, I'd like to think they
know about hangars.
Stan
Do Not Archive : )
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| Subject: | Re: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/04 12:15:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
RobH@hyperion-ef.com writes:
> One word: turbulence.
>>>
This is true, but these: http://www.truetip.com/ help. I use them on my
panel-mounted Dell PDAs using PCFlightSystems EFIS/GPS software and they are
useful for poking the touch screens on the PDAs. I'm actually more concerned
about breaking the little knobs off my Microair radios in turbulence than making
display pokes on the PDAs!
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark -6A
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| Subject: | Re: Sam James Cowl and Plenum |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
Sorry for the error . . . intended to post to the RV-8 list.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sam James Cowl and Plenum
> This seems pretty to be not on the AeroElectric-List subject matter...
> Possibly
> posted to the wrong list?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt-
>
> do not archive
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
> > <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
> >
> > I'm seriously considering a Sam James Cowl and Plenum . . . I will
> > probably be installing some form of a carbureted 0-360 with either a
> > Hartzell or Whirlwind c/s prop?!
> >
> > For those of you that have done it:
> >
> > Do you believe you gained the 10mph claimed?
> >
> > What if any are the watch-outs for engine and propeller.
> >
> > Would you do it again?
> >
> > Are there any other "speed mods" that provide a good bang for the buck?
> >
> > If I go down this path, I have an extra cowl (Van's, O-360 carb, c/s
> > prop) anybody interested??
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob Christensen
> > RV-8 Builder in SE Iowa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I think you are right on that one. As Bruce said, there would be no tactile feedback.
I believe feedback for most touch screens is some type of audio. I don't
think that would be very practical in an aircraft.
Thanks to everyone for their replies.
Ken
do not archive
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
>You are right of course, but small mechanical buttons, for example, provide
>at least some level of tactile feedback, something completely lacking on a
>flat panel display.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Rob Housman
>Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
>Airframe complete
>Irvine, CA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken
>Simmons
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>Thanks for the reply. I think that would certainly be a consideration, but I
>don't see how this would be much different from some of the fancy equipment
>with those small push buttons. Wouldn't turbulence be a factor in those as
>well?
>
>Ken
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:13:24 -0700
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
><RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>>
>>One word: turbulence.
>>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Rob Housman
>>Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
>>Airframe complete
>>Irvine, CA
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken
>>Simmons
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>>
>>Those comments are interesting, but I guess I don't see your point. Maybe I
>>wasn't specific enough. I forget sometimes that this list is not just for
>>experimentals. For an experimental, you don't have to spend thousands of
>>dollars on TSO'd equipment. A handheld or portable GPS is perfectly
>>acceptable.
>>
>>Many companies are developing products for experimentals with little or no
>>intent of a TSO. Is there some reason they haven't chosen to use touch
>>screens? This might give them an edge over the competition, assuming it's
>>feasable. I've seen a couple of homebrew EFIS systems that used
>>laptop/computer type LCD displays, but they weren't touch screen. The
>>displays certainly weren't TSO'd.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: Steve Maher <lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Maher
>><lilabner_45@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Let's see.
>>>
>>>We have to pay thousands of dollars for a TSO'd radio that performs the
>>>same tasks as a $300 handheld, weighs more, and consumes more power.
>>>
>>>We pay even more for a TSO'd GPS system that does no more than its $600
>>>handheld brethern.
>>>
>>>And you wonder if cost is the limiting factor on touchscreens, examples
>>>of which can be found on many under-$1000 laptop computers?
>>>
>>>That's a hot one.
>>>
>>>Steve Maher
>>>San Diego, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Ken Simmons <ken@truckstop.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons"
>>>> <ken@truckstop.com>
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the
>>>> new systems.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe cost?
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
When designing my engine monitors I gave this a lot of thought. Touch
screens are good for configuring things on the ground, but not good in
actually use. Look at the GPS systems for cars and such.
As far as buttons go, again look at the cars. Most of the radios in cars are
actually going back to knobs for the volume as it is easy to find in the
dark while you are driving. I know I gave a radio away because I could not
find the volume buttons in the dark with out actually looking at the radio.
Thus when I designed my engine monitor I went with a simple knob that you
can find blind folded in turbulence.
Regards,
Trampas
www.sterntech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fiveonepw@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/04 12:15:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
RobH@hyperion-ef.com writes:
> One word: turbulence.
>>>
This is true, but these: http://www.truetip.com/ help. I use them on my
panel-mounted Dell PDAs using PCFlightSystems EFIS/GPS software and they are
useful for poking the touch screens on the PDAs. I'm actually more
concerned
about breaking the little knobs off my Microair radios in turbulence than
making
display pokes on the PDAs!
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark -6A
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| Subject: | Re: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com>
Don, I have one of these units in my bird. I can look when I'm out at the
hangar tonight.
do not archive
James Redmon
Berkut #013 N97TX
http://www.berkut13.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
<DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
>
> King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question:
>
> I'm installing a King KN53 Nav in my flying RV6 and I need to know which
coax connectors (J531 and J533) is Glide Slop and which Localizer?
>
> Thanks in advance -
>
> Don Eaves RV6 Flying
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| Subject: | RE: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
Years ago some company built a beautiful encoder that had some kind of
slides to set the digits. Pilots immediately found that setting the codes in
turbulence was simply impossible.
Pilots have lost their front teeth with hand-held microphones. So the next
time you fly in turbulence, consider whether or not a touch screen would be
a good idea. I think not, but if you could properly stabilize the pilot's
hand....maybe.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Hello Guys,
My thoughts are that we should not be too quick to write this idea off. A
future touch screen could be very large with large graphics and icons that
feedback with a tone, click or take your pick sound in your headset. Perhaps
the graphic would flash brightly as you peck it with your pointy finger.
(Didn't they find one large touch screen in the UFO that crashed at area 51?)
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Along those lines, I think it would be slick if each avionics device was
designed
to be remotely controlled by something like a wheel/hatswitch arrangement on
the throttle and stick. A universal control interface could be devised
that each
manufacturer would comply with. You want to set the transponder, you roll
the thumbwheel on the throttle around until the LED over the transponder
was lit,
press the active button (also on the stick or throttle) to start adjusting
digits using
the wheel and the active button. Once the correct code is entered, press the
active button one final time, which frees the wheel to select a different
device.
I definitely like the HOTAS concept. A hatswitch (or something like the
rubbery
mouse control from a laptop) on the stick would be a nice way to control
the cursor
position on certain devices (like moving map displays). Who's not used to a
mouse (or maybe even trackball) style interface?
The thing about stabilizing the hand over a touch screen is that the touch
screen
is designed to be looked at. As soon as you put your hand up there, it
blocks the
screen. The act of setting your hand on something to stabilize it seems
like it might
make seeing the screen difficult. Maybe if you had a nice pad under the
screen,
your palm could rest against it, and you could rotate your hand up and
down to access
the screen. Seems like a good way to get carpal tunnel syndrome.
From my experience in the semiconductor manufacturing world, machines with
touch
screen interfaces are easy to learn by the novice, but usually become more
cumbersome
to operate than mouse/keyboard/dedicated button controlled devices. One
thing that
I think contributes to this is that tactile qualities of the best touch
screens do not come
close to the crispness and positiveness of operation of rather cheap knobs
and switches.
One final thing about touch screens... The displays on the panel which
are the easiest
to see while your "head is out of the cockpit" are those that are mounted
high on the panel.
If its mounted high on the panel, it is going to be the hardest to put
your hand on and
keep it in place while experiencing turbulence. Further, if you mount the
display low on
the panel, I believe looking down to see it increases the likelihood of
experiencing
vertigo.
Regards,
Matt-
C150 N714BK VE N34RD
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
> <emjones@charter.net>
>
> Years ago some company built a beautiful encoder that had some kind of
> slides to set the digits. Pilots immediately found that setting the
> codes in turbulence was simply impossible.
>
> Pilots have lost their front teeth with hand-held microphones. So the
> next time you fly in turbulence, consider whether or not a touch screen
> would be a good idea. I think not, but if you could properly stabilize
> the pilot's hand....maybe.
>
> Regards,
> Eric M. Jones
> www.PerihelionDesign.com
> 113 Brentwood Drive
> Southbridge MA 01550-2705
> Phone (508) 764-2072
> Email: emjones@charter.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: erie <erie@shelbyvilledesign.com>
I also buld custom home theaters, mostly using touch screen pc's for a
system remote. My solution at home
(wife hates the touchscreen) is to have a row of buttons on the left,
using little clear sticky feet stuck on the touchscreen,
she gets 'hard buttons' that she can press for system on/off, volume and
source selection....sometimes you just have to think
outside the box.
erie
KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
>
>Hello Guys,
>
>My thoughts are that we should not be too quick to write this idea off. A
>future touch screen could be very large with large graphics and icons that
>feedback with a tone, click or take your pick sound in your headset. Perhaps
>the graphic would flash brightly as you peck it with your pointy finger.
>(Didn't they find one large touch screen in the UFO that crashed at area 51?)
>
>John P. Marzluf
>Columbus, Ohio
>Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
John,
And look what happened to them! :-)
Charlie Kuss
do not achieve
>snipped
>(Didn't they find one large touch screen in the UFO that crashed at area
>51?)
>
>John P. Marzluf
>Columbus, Ohio
>Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
>
>
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| Subject: | Grounding in the Fuel Level System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I have a pair of Stewart-Warner sensors for the left and right tank on my RV-8A.
Since the sensor is grounded to the wing while the indicator is grounded to
the fuselage, I wonder if anyone has encountered measurement problems due to
a high-resistance connection between wing and fuselage. The sensor resistance
range is 30 to 248 ohms and the indicator supplies about 4.8 volts for a range
of about .16 to .002 amps. Is it advisable to bridge the wing-fuselage joint
with a jumper strap? Does it matter where the indicator is grounded? How does
the sensor find a ground path through all the sealant and gaskets used to
prevent fuel leakage?
Dave Reel RV-8A
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
No but I had problems with both sensors not making good contact with the
tank through the proseal, I ended up putting a ground wire on each sender.
DAVID REEL wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> I have a pair of Stewart-Warner sensors for the left and right tank on my RV-8A.
Since the sensor is grounded to the wing while the indicator is grounded
to the fuselage, I wonder if anyone has encountered measurement problems due to
a high-resistance connection between wing and fuselage. The sensor resistance
range is 30 to 248 ohms and the indicator supplies about 4.8 volts for a range
of about .16 to .002 amps. Is it advisable to bridge the wing-fuselage joint
with a jumper strap? Does it matter where the indicator is grounded? How
does the sensor find a ground path through all the sealant and gaskets used to
prevent fuel leakage?
>
> Dave Reel RV-8A
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dennymortensen <dennymortensen@cableone.net>
In the days of yore Gateway Computers offered a laptop called a Solo that had a
miniature hard wired track ball. The
ball was maybe the size of a small marble and the holder maybe 1 and 1/2 inches
square. It was extremely handy and
easy to use I would love to get hold of something like that again. You just held
it in the palm of your hand. I have
also seen a wireless mouse that is operated by just moving your hand around in
the air and using trigger switches for
the click functions. I am thinking of trying something like that when I get that
far. I also work with touch screens
in my day job and don't recommend them for aircraft use. Actually I don't recommend
them for any use.
2 cents and change
Denny
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Touch screen in an aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Along those lines, I think it would be slick if each avionics device was
designed
to be remotely controlled by something like a wheel/hatswitch arrangement on
the throttle and stick.
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:10 , 'Matt Prather' <mprather@spro.net> sent:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" mprather@spro.net>
>
>Along those lines, I think it would be slick if each avionics device was
>designed
>to be remotely controlled by something like a wheel/hatswitch arrangement on
>the throttle and stick.
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| Subject: | Re: Touch screen in an aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
Some people have tried it to the extent of taking a touch screen computer up
in a private plane and then trying to manipulate it during turbulence. They
gave up.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Touch screen in an aircraft
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
> I don't recall seeing a touch screen in an aircraft or on any of the new
systems. It seems with the proliferation of "glass cockpits" that this would
follow along. Has this been investigated and discounted for some reason? I
believe many of these are capacitive based. Is there too much interference
in an aircraft environment that makes them unreliable? Maybe cost?
>
> Thanks.
> Ken
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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