Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:18 AM - Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question (DonEavesRV6)
3. 07:00 AM - RAC wire color codes (Charlie Kuss)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System (Mickey Coggins)
5. 08:08 AM - Ameri-King ELT (Harley)
6. 08:45 AM - Education Redux ()
7. 08:59 AM - Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Ameri-King ELT 0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY (Richard Riley)
9. 10:33 AM - Re: Sticky Labels (Steve Sampson)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Sticky Labels (Chris Good)
11. 01:44 PM - Re: Ameri-King ELT0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML title contains no text (Bill Schertz)
12. 02:28 PM - Re: Ameri-King ELT0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY (Harley)
13. 05:19 PM - Re: Aircraft Wiring for Smart People (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 05:52 PM - Re: Education Redux (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: Aircraft Wiring for Smart People (Terry Watson)
16. 08:09 PM - Re: Wire Stripper (davercook)
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:19 PM 9/15/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
>I have a pair of Stewart-Warner sensors for the left and right tank on my
>RV-8A. Since the sensor is grounded to the wing while the indicator is
>grounded to the fuselage, I wonder if anyone has encountered measurement
>problems due to a high-resistance connection between wing and
>fuselage. The sensor resistance range is 30 to 248 ohms and the indicator
>supplies about 4.8 volts for a range of about .16 to .002 amps. Is it
>advisable to bridge the wing-fuselage joint with a jumper strap?
Sure. My new designs never depend on airframe
continuity for functionality. A high quality ground
is part of the planning.
> Does it matter where the indicator is grounded?
The best place is the single-point ground on the
firewall . . . or bring the ground (signal low) line
back to the instrument. It's sad that for everything we've
observed and learned about fuel gaging in automobiles for
the last 50 years that we're not doing much better today
in cars . . . of course we EXPECT airplanes to lag behind
cars by 20 years or so.
> How does the sensor find a ground path through all the sealant and
> gaskets used to prevent fuel leakage?
The difficult thing is to maintain insulation in most
cases. There are many a failure mode for electronic
devices where some tiny conductor has compromised the
insulation between two parts that are not supposed to
be connected. If you have threaded fasteners or rivets
holding two parts together, it's a rare instance that
clamp up forces won't extrude any insulating materials
out of the joint.
In a nutshell, the best thought out fuel gaging systems
will be completely isolated from and have no dependence on
chassis or airframe ground for operation.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
Thanks James - For your responce -
After wateing for a responce I went to my local Avionics shop - He provided
me with the needed infomation -
The GS is on the left and the Nav/Loc is on the right looking from the
front. -
Don Eaves RV6 Flying again soon
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon"
<james@berkut13.com>
>
> Don, I have one of these units in my bird. I can look when I'm out at the
> hangar tonight.
>
> do not archive
>
> James Redmon
> Berkut #013 N97TX
> http://www.berkut13.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DonEavesRV6" <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question
>
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> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DonEavesRV6"
> <DonEavesRV6@midsouth.rr.com>
> >
> > King KN53 Coax wiring - J531, J533 Question:
> >
> > I'm installing a King KN53 Nav in my flying RV6 and I need to know which
> coax connectors (J531 and J533) is Glide Slop and which Localizer?
> >
> > Thanks in advance -
> >
> > Don Eaves RV6 Flying
>
>
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| Subject: | RAC wire color codes |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Listers,
Has anyone out there purchased and installed a Ray Allen Stick grip? I'm
waiting for mine. I'd like to draw up the schematic while I wait. Could you
please tell me the color codes of the wires on the servos? I also would
like the color codes on the wire that they include with the grip kit.
Thanks
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
I have the SW fuel senders as well, shown here in this photo:
http://www.rv8.ch/images/articles/20040726220023545_5_original.JPG
Can you tell me the best way to ground it?
I'm guessing one way is to drill a small hole, thread it, and
screw on a faston or just screw on a ring terminal. Does
this sound right? Of course, I don't want to go through
the plate, since it's already prosealed on, and I'd like to
avoid removing it again. I feel kind of silly that I didn't
think of this before I sealed up my tanks.
Thanks for any hints.
Mickey
>> How does the sensor find a ground path through all the sealant and
>> gaskets used to prevent fuel leakage?
>
> The difficult thing is to maintain insulation in most
> cases. There are many a failure mode for electronic
> devices where some tiny conductor has compromised the
> insulation between two parts that are not supposed to
> be connected. If you have threaded fasteners or rivets
> holding two parts together, it's a rare instance that
> clamp up forces won't extrude any insulating materials
> out of the joint.
>
> In a nutshell, the best thought out fuel gaging systems
> will be completely isolated from and have no dependence on
> chassis or airframe ground for operation.
>
> Bob . . .
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Good morning fellow electron chasers...
Well, time to stop lurking and ask a question (which has probably been
answered before, but I didn't pay attention then as I didn't know I'd
need it!)
I just received my Ameri-King AK 450 ELT. The instructions for mounting
and locating it seem pretty straight forward, but I do have a couple of
questions.
I have a Long EZ...nearing completion. I have a couple ideas of where I
can mount the ELT. To save some trial and error, where have others
mounted them?
Also, I am sure that this has been discussed before, but the
instructions for mounting the antenna call for a 36 inch diameter ground
plane! Where can I ever mount a piece of aluminum that big in a Long
Ez? The darn thing will look like an AWACS! Or is their another way
that works?
Harley Dixon
Long EZ N28EZ
www.agelesswings.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
9/16/2004
Hello Bob Nuckolls, Your response (identified below) on the aeroelectric list to
my request for Education was absolutely superb a veritable gold mine of information
in the many links you provided. Ive saved your response for posterity.
We are in your debt. Many thanks.
OC
Time: 08:57:33 AM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Education
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.
nuckolls@cox.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding in the Fuel Level System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/04 9:44:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
mick-matronics@rv8.ch writes:
> I'm guessing one way is to drill a small hole, thread it, and
> screw on a faston or just screw on a ring terminal. Does
> this sound right? Of course, I don't want to go through
> the plate, since it's already prosealed on, and I'd like to
> avoid removing it again. I feel kind of silly that I didn't
> think of this before I sealed up my tanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
The mounting base for the sender is thick enough to tap 8-32 (I did this on
my first tank) but removing one of the mounting screws and adding a ground wire
using a ring terminal and a star washer (I did this on my other tank) works
fine. Just put the star washer between the base and the ring terminal for good
contact. I ran the other end of the ground wire to another ring terminal
attached to a hole in the fuse skin just fwd of the front tank attach bracket.
Works fine so far. (110 hrs, -6A)
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King ELT 0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> BODY:
HTML title contains no text
1) Inside the spar
2) Can't you do it with a 36" dipole?
At 09:05 AM 9/16/04, Harley wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
>Good morning fellow electron chasers...
>
>Well, time to stop lurking and ask a question (which has probably been
>answered before, but I didn't pay attention then as I didn't know I'd
>need it!)
>
>I just received my Ameri-King AK 450 ELT. The instructions for mounting
>and locating it seem pretty straight forward, but I do have a couple of
>questions.
>
>I have a Long EZ...nearing completion. I have a couple ideas of where I
>can mount the ELT. To save some trial and error, where have others
>mounted them?
>
>Also, I am sure that this has been discussed before, but the
>instructions for mounting the antenna call for a 36 inch diameter ground
>plane! Where can I ever mount a piece of aluminum that big in a Long
>Ez? The darn thing will look like an AWACS! Or is their another way
>that works?
>
>Harley Dixon
>Long EZ N28EZ
>www.agelesswings.com
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Chris - does the ink not smear with humidity over time, or is this part of
the role of the lacqer?
Thanks, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Good
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sticky Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Bryan,
I used Avery labels type 8667 & they are holding up pretty well after 775
hours. On my switch panel, I did spray a coat of clear lacqer after
attaching the labels & I think that did improve the look.
Here's my panel web page with some photos:
http://www.rv.supermatrix.com/photo-log/panel.html
I'm also attaching the ms word doc file in case you want to use it as a
starting point (hence the direct email since the list strips attachments).
Regards,
Chris Good,
West Bend, WI
RV-6A 775 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Flood" <bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Sticky Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bryan Flood"
<bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I am going to use Avery clear sticky backed labels on my instrument panel. I
bought the kind that are a full sheet and you print out on your ink jet.
Anyway, I was wondering if someone had a template or example of the labels
they printed. What I am trying to do is not start from scratch making up all
the borders around the text and what not when everyone seems to have all
ready done this. It would be so much easier just to change the text. I have
looked around on the internet an only come up with one example made in Visio
which does me no good considering I don't have Visio( sp?) I have followed
Bob's architecture pretty closely so hopefully about 90% of yourtext would
work perfectly for me.
Thanks, for all the help...
Bryan
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Steve,
The lacquer certainly helps in preventing any degradation. But I have a few labels
without lacquer, added after the panel was completed, & they're holding up
well after 4 yrs & 775 hrs.
BTW, I think that putting the border around each label was originally Sam Buchanan's
idea. The edge of the label is disguised with this technique.
Regards,
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Sticky Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Chris - does the ink not smear with humidity over time, or is this part of
the role of the lacqer?
Thanks, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Good
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sticky Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Bryan,
I used Avery labels type 8667 & they are holding up pretty well after 775
hours. On my switch panel, I did spray a coat of clear lacqer after
attaching the labels & I think that did improve the look.
Here's my panel web page with some photos:
http://www.rv.supermatrix.com/photo-log/panel.html
I'm also attaching the ms word doc file in case you want to use it as a
starting point (hence the direct email since the list strips attachments).
Regards,
Chris Good,
West Bend, WI
RV-6A 775 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King ELT0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schertz" <Wschertz@ispwest.com>
you can use 6 strips of copper foil 18" long on the composite surface looking like
* with the antenna in the center. I have a picture that I will send you later
tonight.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From: Harley [mailto:harley@AgelessWings.com]
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King ELT0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML
title contains no text
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
> Good morning fellow electron chasers...
>
> Well, time to stop lurking and ask a question (which has probably been
> answered before, but I didn't pay attention then as I didn't know I'd
> need it!)
>
> I just received my Ameri-King AK 450 ELT. The instructions for mounting
> and locating it seem pretty straight forward, but I do have a couple of
> questions.
>
> I have a Long EZ...nearing completion. I have a couple ideas of where I
> can mount the ELT. To save some trial and error, where have others
> mounted them?
>
> Also, I am sure that this has been discussed before, but the
> instructions for mounting the antenna call for a 36 inch diameter ground
> plane! Where can I ever mount a piece of aluminum that big in a Long
> Ez? The darn thing will look like an AWACS! Or is their another way
> that works?
>
> Harley Dixon
> Long EZ N28EZ
> www.agelesswings.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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BODY": HTML.title.contains.no.text@matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King ELT0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Thanks Bill...that looks like a real possibility....but. from the
picture, it's hard to tell where you have the antenna mounted. I can't
think of anywhere with that much room on top of my plane...which I would
think is where you'd want it.
Harley
Bill Schertz wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schertz" <Wschertz@ispwest.com>
>
>you can use 6 strips of copper foil 18" long on the composite surface looking
like * with the antenna in the center. I have a picture that I will send you later
tonight.
>Bill Schertz
>KIS Cruiser # 4045
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Harley [mailto:harley@AgelessWings.com]
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King ELT0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML
title contains no text
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Wiring for Smart People |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>Bob, others:
>
>Greg Richter at Blue Mountain Avionics has just posted a short (24 page?)
>booklet he has written for his customers. I haven't read it yet, but I like
>Greg's attitude and I expect it to be very worthwhile. You might like to
>have a look.
>
>http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/download.php
>
>Terry
>RV-8A, Blue Mountain EFIS/one wiring still
>Seattle
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Wiring_for_Smart_People.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Education Redux |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:41 AM 9/16/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>
>9/16/2004
>
>Hello Bob Nuckolls, Your response (identified below) on the aeroelectric
>list to my request for Education was absolutely superb a veritable gold
>mine of information in the many links you provided. I've saved your
>response for posterity. We are in your debt. Many thanks.
My pleasure sir!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Aircraft Wiring for Smart People |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Thanks, Bob!
Terry
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Wiring for Smart People
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<b.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>Bob, others:
>
>Greg Richter at Blue Mountain Avionics has just posted a short (24 page?)
>booklet he has written for his customers. I haven't read it yet, but I
like
>Greg's attitude and I expect it to be very worthwhile. You might like to
>have a look.
>
>http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/download.php
>
>Terry
>RV-8A, Blue Mountain EFIS/one wiring still
>Seattle
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Wiring_for_Smart_People.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Stripper |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "davercook" <davercook@prodigy.net>
Bob and Listers
I apologize for saying my wire stripper came from B&C .I was wrong! After I
checked my invoice for other tools that I purchased from them the strippers
was not on there.I don't know where I bought it . Sorry for the
misstatement.
Dave Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <rnuckolls@aeroelectric.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Stripper
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<rnuckolls@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 11:13 PM 8/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "davercook"
<davercook@prodigy.net>
> >
> >Radio Shack has a new one out that works very well. It has no dies and no
> >holes. It automatically adjusts to the wire size. Cost about $19 I could
> >not get the one from B&C to work for me at all.
>
> What stripper did you buy from B&C? I don't see one on their
> website and was unaware of any strippers they were offering.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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