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1. 06:12 AM - PTC Overload Protectors (D Fritz)
2. 07:51 AM - (no subject) (WRBYARS@aol.com)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Firewall Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: (Ken)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Hat switch (echristley@nc.rr.com)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Firewall Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: stainless towel bar firewall penetrations clamav-milter version 0.80c on juliet.albedo.net (John Schroeder)
6. 09:58 AM - The Load Dump (et al) report (Paul Messinger)
7. 10:05 AM - Re: Firewall Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: (Harley)
8. 04:11 PM - Re: (no subject) (Robert McCallum)
9. 06:03 PM - Re: Firewall Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: stainless towel bar firewall penetrations clamav-milter version 0.80c on juliet.albedo.net (glaesers)
10. 08:24 PM - Re: Hat switch (Richard Riley)
11. 08:39 PM - Re: Hat switch (Scott Jackson)
12. 08:48 PM - Re: Hat switch (Larry Bowen)
13. 08:55 PM - Re: Hat switch (Scott Jackson)
14. 09:00 PM - Re: PTC Overload Protectors (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 09:35 PM - Re: Hat switch (Richard Riley)
16. 10:12 PM - Re: (no subject) (WRBYARS@aol.com)
17. 10:55 PM - Re: (no subject) (Robert McCallum)
18. 11:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (WRBYARS@aol.com)
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| Subject: | PTC Overload Protectors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Fritz <dfritzj@yahoo.com>
In reviewing the EXP Bus as well as the write up on
aircraft wiring by Greg at BlueMountain, Bob has
stated the following:
"The use of PTC overload protectors has been
considered
for use on certified ships at least twice over the
last
20 years by your humble scribe and others at Raytheon
and
Learjet. There were simply too many down-sides that
could
not be offset by what is purported to be a
convenience."
I've not been able to find any reference to what the
down-sides were. I'd hate to think new technology is
being given a bad name because Raytheon and Lear saw
its use as too dangerous - financially. Can anyone
expand on this with some technical reasons why these
devices are unsuitable for aircraft use?
__________________________________
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
Good morning all,
I'm still on this quest to discover the source for my alternator and
starter. It was installed when I bought the plane but had no literature on it.
Hiachi LT-150-62 alternator and a "lite weight starter."
Please help me find who is selling this equipment.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: ll Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: AeroElectric-List: |
stainless towel bar firewall penetrations
clamav-milter version 0.80c
on juliet.albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Thank you Tom and also Bill Hibbing
Part of the mystery has been solved in that none of the Home Depots
around here seen to have that. One store said they don't sell it anymore
because they are afraid of lawsuits. However the silicone firestop was
still on the shelf at every store that I've been in, even though it
seems to be an inferior product...
I'll track the CP25 or the Firestop 814 down now that I know exactly
what to look for..
Ken
thomas a. sargent wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
>For what it's worth, I found "3M Fire Barrier CP25WB+ Caulk" on the 3M
>web page, which seems to be the toughest stuff they have. About 20
>minutes later I found a caulking tube of it on the shelf at Home Depot.
>It was about $9.50.
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: echristley@nc.rr.com
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard
Riley
> <richard@riley.net>
> The one from Infinity is literally from a computer
joystick. I'll
> look for
> my contact for them, they're about 50 cents and if
you only want
> one
> they'll probably send it to you for free. Or buy
a Thrustmaster
> stick off
> Ebay for $5 and take it apart - it's exactly the
same one,
>
> If you want the real thing, check here
> http://www.ottoeng.com/control/togglemt_t4.htm
>
> they tend to run $50-100. The distributor I like
is these people
> http://www.flamecorp.com/catalog.html
>
Hehehe!
This is really fun. I can choose between a fairly
reliable, $2 'toy' button or an ultra-reliable,
outlast-the-aircraft, $50 military grade. Replace a
cheap part periodically, or spec a part that'll last
forever. Did I mention that the plan is to have
mechanical backup to the electric trim, making any
outage a minor inconvenience? So minor that I would
not even flinch at starting a flight with it out.
Hmmm...decisions, decisions....
Just in passing, I must say that I was a little put
off by the Infinity Grip's website. To much of hype
along the lines of 'buy my super-great,
designed-for-airplane product, or you'll DIE!!
Someone told me at a big flyin that someone else did
something stupid instead of buying my product and
they DIED!!' It sort of obfuscates the simple ideas
and basic physics concept. It's interesting to note
that after reading through all the hype that they
employ the cheap solution.
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| Subject: | Re: ll Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: AeroElectric-List: |
stainless towel bar firewall penetrations clamav-milter version
0.80c on juliet.albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Just got back from the Home Depot here. Bought a tube of 3M Fire Barrier
CP25WB+ for 9.95. It was in the paint department in amongst the calking.
They also had 3M "Yellow" fire barrier for $6.50 a tube.
Cheers,
John Schroeder
Lancair Super ES 80%
>
> I'll track the CP25 or the Firestop 814 down now that I know exactly
> what to look for..
>
> Ken
>
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| Subject: | The Load Dump (et al) report |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Messinger" <paulm@olypen.com>
I apologize for the long delay in our report (I and my primary partner) on
what started out to be a simple investigation of taking the alternator off
line when it was supplying current to the aircraft systems.
We quickly found significant design and or component problems in several
places in the basic electrical systems common to experimental aircraft
beyond alternator load dump. This was the result of building up a core
system to test the alternator load dump.
We have never considered changing the name from "Load Dump" as that is the
industry name for what is happening in an inductor carrying current. We
investigated several different system configurations that cause a load dump
so changing the name to reflect only one condition was considered
inappropriate. All need to be looked at and designed for.
We decided that to only point out design problems and not provide at least
one available solution was not appropriate.
To find a problem and then design and test a solution takes time considering
neither of us could devote a lot of time to this effort.
Further I felt that as we had found some design issues that would come under
heavy disagreement from critics who would try to defend current designs or
components. Thus I enlisted six additional silent peer reviewers selected
from my past business contacts who had demonstrated experience to further
review what we had concluded.
Our report has two official authors and I have an additional six experts who
have also concurred that we are correct in our findings. Our recommendations
for a solution are a different matter as there are those who are willing to
take the risk (with the current design) or have a different solution. That
is up to the reader.
The report is nearing conclusion, delayed as above as well as personal
family distractions.
While we found nothing that we felt was immediate cause for concern the
report does cover concerns and solutions resulting from evaluation a core
basic electrical system.
When the systems design has evolved from flooded cell batteries, generators,
and vacuum tubes to AGM, internally regulated alternators, and solid state
electronics, the basic electrical systems design has failed to fully keep
up. This includes the current "book".
Everything we have done is repeatable but in many cases a different physical
system can and likely will produce somewhat different results. We found
repeatable failures in a widely used components that clearly work most of
the time. We feel that 99% is not good enough. At least when it can be
demonstrated to consistently fail under a specific condition that can exist
in the real world.
ALL of the above have resulted in the long delay in publishing our results.
Again I am sorry for the long delay and when released We hope you will find
it worth reading and consider what we have found.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: ll Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: AeroElectric-List: |
stainless towel bar firewall penetrations clamav-milter version 0.80c
on juliet.albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
First...Congrats to Burt and Mike...SpaceshipOne has passed the first
leg of the journey to the X-Prize...but not without a little
problem...watch your local news!
Next, regarding the 3M firestop caulk...
I made a note to myself to pick up some of this 3M stuff after a long
thread about a year or so ago on this forum...keep forgetting, but after
this discussion, and risking the possible loss of Home Depot as a
supplier, I just rushed right down and got a couple of tubes.
Right where John said it was, top shelf in the caulk section of the
paint department. Cost a little more here in Rochester... $9.97 a tube.
Plenty of it...a couple of cases open and a couple more stacked behind
it ready to move to the front.
I asked the department manager if he had heard anything about not
carrying it in the future, and his answer was that he hadn't, and that
he has it still placed on a regular reorder.
Harley Dixon
Long EZ N28EZ
Canandaigua, NY
John Schroeder wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
>Just got back from the Home Depot here. Bought a tube of 3M Fire Barrier
>CP25WB+ for 9.95. It was in the paint department in amongst the calking.
>They also had 3M "Yellow" fire barrier for $6.50 a tube.
>
>Cheers,
>
>John Schroeder
>Lancair Super ES 80%
>
>
>
>
>>I'll track the CP25 or the Firestop 814 down now that I know exactly
>>what to look for..
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
Bill;
I realize you said this was an "Hiachi" and not an "Hitachi"
alternator,- - But- - - LT150-62 is a valid Hitachi alternator number
used by Nissan on the 240Z between 1970 and 1972, on their 610 models in
1973, and also used by Subaru on their "1400", "1600", and "1800" models
from 1975 until 1981. Seems odd. Maybe a typo somewhere??? This unit, if
Hitachi, is a 50 amp, internally regulated, clockwise rotating
alternator equipped with a single "V" pulley.
Bob McC
WRBYARS@aol.com wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
>
>Good morning all,
>
>I'm still on this quest to discover the source for my alternator and
>starter. It was installed when I bought the plane but had no literature on it.
>
>Hiachi LT-150-62 alternator and a "lite weight starter."
>
>Please help me find who is selling this equipment.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ll Penetrations-summary as of Sep 2004 (was Re: AeroElectric-List: |
stainless towel bar firewall penetrations clamav-milter version 0.80c on
juliet.albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "glaesers" <glaesers@wideopenwest.com>
I was just browsing the Van's Aircraft website and found the following: (in
their catalog under Miscellaneous Items)
-------------------------
CS 1900 is a compound for sealing firewall structures. It is elastomeric at
operating temperatures from minus 65 degrees to plus 400 degrees F and able
to withstand flash temperatures of 2000 degrees F. This product can be used
as a perimeter firewall seal on existing aircraft or during construction of
new aircraft. In new aircraft, as the skins are being installed, the flange
of the firewall should be coated with a thin layer and the skin riveted on
while the material is still uncured ("wet").
Ordering Information
Firewall Sealant 6 oz.
Part Number = MC-CS-1900
Price = $17.50
--------------------------
They also have Stainless Steel Firewall shields for $7.50 (in their catalog
under Airframe and Cockpit accessories)
--------------------------
Stainless steel shields protect firewall wiring grommets from excessive
heat. Available in three sizes of dimples for different grommets (3/4", 1"
and 1 1/4") and 4 sizes of center holes (2-piece only). Two piece easily
installed around wires already in place. Use single piece when wires can be
threaded through. Single piece center holes may be drilled to desired size.
Both styles have 5/32 inch mounting holes
-------------------------
I don't remember seeing anyone mention these items, so I thought I'd toss
them out for consideration.
Dennis Glaeser
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
>Just in passing, I must say that I was a little put
>off by the Infinity Grip's website. To much of hype
>along the lines of 'buy my super-great,
>designed-for-airplane product, or you'll DIE!!
>Someone told me at a big flyin that someone else did
>something stupid instead of buying my product and
>they DIED!!' It sort of obfuscates the simple ideas
>and basic physics concept. It's interesting to note
>that after reading through all the hype that they
>employ the cheap solution.
My first year at Oshkosh I was with the newly debuting Berkut. 1991. We
weren't offering them for sale, we didn't have a booth, we were just
handing out spec sheets and seeing if people were interested. JD stood
about 20 feet away, handing out spec sheets for his Infinity and saying
we'd stolen his design.
13 years later, his plane still hasn't flown. The website is a pretty good
indication of who he is.
On the other hand, his stick isn't bad. Way too expensive, but better than
most of the the other sticks in Aircraft Spruce.
I think your best bet is going to be buying a stick off Ebay, and salvaging
it for the hat switch. Shipping will be way more than the stick
itself. Like this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74944&item=5126667828&rd=1
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Might I suggest trying the replica B-8 stickgrip from Wicks?
It has multiple switches, plus the four-way, coolie-hat trim switch, and
feels much more substantial than the video-game Infinity, all for $50.
Scott in VAncouver
RV-6, 150 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Riley" <richard@RILEY.NET>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hat switch
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
>
>
>>Just in passing, I must say that I was a little put
>>off by the Infinity Grip's website. To much of hype
>>along the lines of 'buy my super-great,
>>designed-for-airplane product, or you'll DIE!!
>>Someone told me at a big flyin that someone else did
>>something stupid instead of buying my product and
>>they DIED!!' It sort of obfuscates the simple ideas
>>and basic physics concept. It's interesting to note
>>that after reading through all the hype that they
>>employ the cheap solution.
>
> My first year at Oshkosh I was with the newly debuting Berkut. 1991. We
> weren't offering them for sale, we didn't have a booth, we were just
> handing out spec sheets and seeing if people were interested. JD stood
> about 20 feet away, handing out spec sheets for his Infinity and saying
> we'd stolen his design.
>
> 13 years later, his plane still hasn't flown. The website is a pretty
> good
> indication of who he is.
>
> On the other hand, his stick isn't bad. Way too expensive, but better
> than
> most of the the other sticks in Aircraft Spruce.
>
> I think your best bet is going to be buying a stick off Ebay, and
> salvaging
> it for the hat switch. Shipping will be way more than the stick
> itself. Like this one
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74944&item=5126667828&rd=1
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Uh, you mean $150, right?
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=4249~subid=2818/
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Jackson [mailto:jayeandscott@telus.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:37 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hat switch
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson"
> --> <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>
> Might I suggest trying the replica B-8 stickgrip from Wicks?
> It has multiple switches, plus the four-way, coolie-hat trim
> switch, and feels much more substantial than the video-game
> Infinity, all for $50.
> Scott in VAncouver
> RV-6, 150 hours
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Man, that seems like quite a jump!
When I bought mine, they were such a bargain that I bought two, one for each
stick.
Scott in VAncouver
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Hat switch
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Uh, you mean $150, right?
>
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=4249~subid=2818/
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Jackson [mailto:jayeandscott@telus.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:37 PM
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hat switch
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson"
>> --> <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>>
>> Might I suggest trying the replica B-8 stickgrip from Wicks?
>> It has multiple switches, plus the four-way, coolie-hat trim
>> switch, and feels much more substantial than the video-game
>> Infinity, all for $50.
>> Scott in VAncouver
>> RV-6, 150 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PTC Overload Protectors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 06:09 AM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Fritz <dfritzj@yahoo.com>
>
>In reviewing the EXP Bus as well as the write up on
>aircraft wiring by Greg at BlueMountain, Bob has
>stated the following:
>
>"The use of PTC overload protectors has been
>considered
>for use on certified ships at least twice over the
>last
>20 years by your humble scribe and others at Raytheon
>and
>Learjet. There were simply too many down-sides that
>could
>not be offset by what is purported to be a
>convenience."
>
>I've not been able to find any reference to what the
>down-sides were. I'd hate to think new technology is
>being given a bad name because Raytheon and Lear saw
>its use as too dangerous - financially.
Who said anything about "dangerous"? . . . it's
amazing how the explanations for things can so
suddenly take on whole new meanings.
> Can anyone
>expand on this with some technical reasons why these
>devices are unsuitable for aircraft use?
Fuses, PTC devices and breakers will all perform as advertised.
The use of any of these devices does not represent a safety
issue.
This leaves us three remaining issues. Cost of incorporation,
cost of ownership, reliability. To mount a breaker involves a
lot of labor to fabricate bus bars, build a breaker panel with reasonable
craftsmanship so that they line up nicely. Some folks feel
a need to place them in view of crew and decorate them
individually with respect to functionality. Breakers also use
threaded fasteners for electrical connections and
mounting of breakers.
Mounting PTC devices calls for some technology that interfaces
ships wiring with devices originally intended to be mounted on
an etched circuit board by soldering its solid copper leads to
the board. Like breaker panels, you need to do some fabrication
(although faster and easier than making a breaker panel) but
they do have this great upside. Since one never needs to put
the fingers directly on a "tripped" PTC to reset it, the need
for labels goes away. Once you've created this assembly, you
need to be sure the components are going to stay on it for
a very long time. Electronic components supported on tiny solid
copper leads are famous for departing the board after some time
in service. If you support the PTC for resistance to vibration,
you need to do it in a way that does NOT heat sink it. It has to
be allowed to warm up to function. The first time we used a similar
device (NTC inrush limiter) on the GP180, the technician mounted
it under a metal clip to the inside of a taxi light fixture. When
he turned it on, the critter exploded 'cause it was well heatsinked
such that it could not quickly move to the low dissipation mode
of operation. The steady state watts of power it was forced to
dissipate destroyed it. PTC devices for circuit protection must
also be mounted in a manner that allows thermal freedom.
Blocks of fuses are mounted in about 10 minutes by drilling 4
holes and installing the necessary screws. There's space on
the fuse block for numbers or tiny labels if the builder so
chooses . . . Threaded fasteners are limited to the four
devices that hold it to the airplane and one stud on the end
for attaching the bus feed wire. No bus bars to build.
When one considers the cost-per-protected circuit (hardware and
labor) for these technologies, the fuse block delivers inarguable
equivalence in safety for protection of wires and is hands-down
winner for initial cost of installation.
Now for cost of ownership.
Breakers and fuses both have very long, trouble-free service
histories. The plastic fuse-blocks have been more prone to
damage and subsequent failure of one or two fuse clips
but I think I had two instances in 4-5 years of selling the
devices . . . hundreds of parts. Breakers are going to set there
in a stable condition for a very long time too . . . but one is
not likely to have installed many spares for future expansion.
It's easy to do with fuseblocks. Problematical for etched circuit
board assemblies to be designed with spares. How hard is it to
replace a failed PTC as compared with replacing a whole fuseblock?
They're close but I think the fuseblock still wins for lowest
cost of ownership.
How about parts count? Breaker arrays have lots of parts, some
that move. They have lots of connections held together with threaded
fasteners. PTC assemblies have fewer parts overall but still need
some attractive technology to bring wires in from the airframe
and attach them to the down-stream end of the protective device.
D-subs would work good . . . but the mash-screw terminal strips
illustrated in several suggested products do not offer gas-tight
electrical connections -OR- vibration support. The lowly fuse-block
is still the hands-down winner for parts-count minimization.
All of the foregoing is similar to any trade study we would
conduct to determine if the technology is attractive for a
production environment. Given that it costs us about 7-10 thousand
dollars to make the most rudimentary changes to one drawing and
considering the number of drawings it would take to create a PTC
assembly for use in a production aircraft . . . there was no
way this technology was going to win out over panels full of
high dollar breakers that our customers have come to know an love.
Given that we're all working with OBAM aircraft, you can chose
any or all of the technologies for what ever reasons you find
compelling. There are no safety issues for any of the technologies
when properly applied. It's just a matter of time and dollars
you're willing to dedicate to the task of keeping the smoke inside
your wires over the lifetime of the airplane. Be wary of "false
economies" of purchased assemblies like the EXP-Bus. When
you look at total dollars and hours invested just for the purpose
of protecting a wire . . . the lowly fuse is pretty hard to beat.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
Take a look at these
http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?&handler=data.listcategory&D=611-TPA511G&terms=611-TPA511G&Ntt=*611TPA511G*&Dk=1&N=0&crc=true
At 08:34 AM 9/29/04, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: echristley@nc.rr.com
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard
>Riley
> > <richard@riley.net>
> > The one from Infinity is literally from a computer
>joystick. I'll
> > look for
> > my contact for them, they're about 50 cents and if
>you only want
> > one
> > they'll probably send it to you for free. Or buy
>a Thrustmaster
> > stick off
> > Ebay for $5 and take it apart - it's exactly the
>same one,
> >
> > If you want the real thing, check here
> > http://www.ottoeng.com/control/togglemt_t4.htm
> >
> > they tend to run $50-100. The distributor I like
>is these people
> > http://www.flamecorp.com/catalog.html
> >
>
>Hehehe!
>
>This is really fun. I can choose between a fairly
>reliable, $2 'toy' button or an ultra-reliable,
>outlast-the-aircraft, $50 military grade. Replace a
>cheap part periodically, or spec a part that'll last
>forever. Did I mention that the plan is to have
>mechanical backup to the electric trim, making any
>outage a minor inconvenience? So minor that I would
>not even flinch at starting a flight with it out.
>
>Hmmm...decisions, decisions....
>
>Just in passing, I must say that I was a little put
>off by the Infinity Grip's website. To much of hype
>along the lines of 'buy my super-great,
>designed-for-airplane product, or you'll DIE!!
>Someone told me at a big flyin that someone else did
>something stupid instead of buying my product and
>they DIED!!' It sort of obfuscates the simple ideas
>and basic physics concept. It's interesting to note
>that after reading through all the hype that they
>employ the cheap solution.
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
Hi Bob,
Thank you for this much appreciated information. You may well have said it
right, this was probably a typo that was carried thru on the 337, and I didn't
verify it by looking at the component itself, since I have to remove the
entire cowling to get to them.
The starter is the same manufacture with a part # S-114-254A, can you find
anything on it?
I've spent a lot of time on the web trying to find info on this equipment,
can you tell me who to contact to get some product literature?
Thanks again
Bill
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
Bill;
The part number S114-254A appears to be an Hitachi solenoid and not a
starter motor. I presume your starter probably has an attached solenoid
for engaging the drive gear and this number was recorded from the
solenoid and does not represent the entire starter.
I've found the information that I have presented for you here by doing a
simple Google search on the internet.
This search only took only a few seconds by entering "hiachi s-114-254a"
into google and pressing search. The return came back "do you mean
Hitachi S114-254A" ? I answered "yes" and got a page of solenoid
listings, one of which was the above number, with cross reference to
Chinese replacements, but at least that identified the part for us as a
solenoid. (also got several pages in Japanese which I couldn't read
which contained the # also)
That was the way I found the alternator reference also.
No, sorry, without doing more internet searches I don't have any
literature info at this time, but I'm sure that google will turn up
something for you. It found all of the info I've given you pretty much
instantly. Now that we know these parts seem to be used on Nissan cars,
perhaps your local dealer would have shop manuals with what you require.
(Or Subaru ?) It's quite possible both your alternator and starter were
used on the same vehicle.
for a search engine try www.google.com or www.google.ca
Bob McC
WRBYARS@aol.com wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>Thank you for this much appreciated information. You may well have said it
>right, this was probably a typo that was carried thru on the 337, and I didn't
>verify it by looking at the component itself, since I have to remove the
>entire cowling to get to them.
>
>The starter is the same manufacture with a part # S-114-254A, can you find
>anything on it?
>
>I've spent a lot of time on the web trying to find info on this equipment,
>can you tell me who to contact to get some product literature?
>
>Thanks again
>Bill
>
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
Thanks Bob,
The gremlins were with me last night and I couldn't get anything to work
right. Makes me fell like throwing this thing in the pond.
Kinda gets back to the old term "GIGO." I guess I need to go to bed earlier
and maybe I'd quit making so many DUMB mistakes.
Bill
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