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1. 05:47 AM - Re: Minimum spacing for toggle switches? (Chuck Jensen)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: Crimpers (Olivier Le Carbonnier)
3. 08:30 AM - Re: ADF sense antenna (Ronnie Brown)
4. 08:36 AM - Cheaper wire "okay"? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 08:37 AM - Re: Minimum spacing for toggle switches? (Richard Riley)
6. 08:57 AM - Re: ADF sense antenna (erie)
7. 09:23 AM - Re: Minimum spacing for toggle switches? (Dan Checkoway)
8. 10:04 AM - Re: ADF sense antenna (Brian Lloyd)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: ADF sense antenna (Walter Tondu)
10. 02:05 PM - Re: Crimpers (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 02:28 PM - Re: ADF (P. Van Caulart)
12. 02:51 PM - Flashing Landing Lights (Grant Neilson)
13. 03:04 PM - Re: Flashing Landing Lights (Carlos Sa)
14. 03:09 PM - Re: Flashing Landing Lights (Matt Prather)
15. 03:52 PM - when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. (Matt Luthi)
16. 04:28 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. (Brian Kraut)
17. 05:05 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. (Randy Pflanzer)
18. 05:52 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. (Luethi, Matt)
19. 06:02 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. (Jim Jewell)
20. 06:22 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. (Walter Tondu)
21. 06:34 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights (Kent Ashton)
22. 08:06 PM - Re: Flashing Landing Lights (Bobby Hester)
23. 08:06 PM - Re: when running my new B&C starter the (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
24. 08:08 PM - Re: Flashing Landing Lights (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
25. 08:36 PM - Re: Flashing Landing Lights (Bobby Hester)
26. 09:19 PM - Re: Flashing Landing Lights (jerb)
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| Subject: | Minimum spacing for toggle switches? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
How big are your fingers?
Chuck
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Richard Riley
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Minimum spacing for toggle switches?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
I'm more concerned with them being wide enough apart that I don't
accidentally switch more than one at a time. Any idea what minimum finger
clearance distance is?
At 05:40 PM 10/17/04, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley"
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>Just as long as when you are hot there are no sparks!!
>Sorry. When things are close we use a fiber plate
>about 2x2 between the switches. Other than that for
>appearance make them even.
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> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard
> > Riley <richard@riley.net>
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> > I'm looking for a spec on minimum lateral spacing
> > for MS24523 toggle
> > switches. Right now I have them at .75" (spst's -
> > the dp's have a wider
> > body and are ending up more like 1")
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Olivier Le Carbonnier" <olcdlm@laposte.net>
thank's, but i don't understand the position of terminal in this crimper.
for me the wire came from the "P256" side and the terminal side is on the
"P255" side ?
is this true ? have you a picture of good position for the terminal in the
crimper ?
Olivier LC
France
ICQ#: 82067330
sanglier@laposte.net
http://sangliervolant.chez.tiscali.fr Van's RV-8 n81939 wings
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Envoy : vendredi 15 octobre 2004 23:18
: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Objet : Re: AeroElectric-List: Crimpers
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:53 AM 10/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><b.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 08:33 PM 10/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum
> ><robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
> >
> >Hi Bob;
> >
> >No, actually just a cardboard and plastic "blister pack". There is a
> >note on the back describing the various different models available and
> >what the various dies fit, but no explanation of any difference side to
> >side. Looks exactly like the photo on the web site and in your articles.
>
> Interesting. Todd sent me a sample tool yesterday and I should have
> it today.
Just received the new tool. The die-set does a nicer job on the
insulation grip for the larger insulations like automotive PVC
but is loose on 22AWG Tefzel. See:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P255.jpg
The wire grip side closes fine and has about the right
cross section. See:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P256.jpg
The biggest problem I have is the gap between the two
crimps. When one centers the terminal in the tool, the
wire grip and insulation grips are formed on the ends
of the insulator as opposed to being centered on the
end thirds. The wire grip went gas-tight on the last
50% of its length as opposed to being centered. See:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P257.jpg
Terminals installed with this tool are probably
going to be okay but I think the original tool
does a better job. I'm going to return this tool to
B&C with a recommendation that they seek out a
product that works better on the Tefzel/PIDG
combination of wire/terminals.
The die set was reversed in the tool as-received.
Instructions on the back showed the larger-yellow
die away from the end of tool. I turned the die
set around to do the tests and photos.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | ADF sense antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
We faced the question of installing an ADF and DME in our C172 when the
three co owners decided we wanted to get our instrument ratings.
Our avionics shop advised against trying up grade to include ADF and DME due
to the cost and complexity of the upgrades. Instead we choose the Apollo
SL60 which is enroute and terminal certified GPS/COM. This along with the
already installed King KX-155 NavCom with glide slope was all that we needed
for our training and our rating tests. The Apollo should be fairly
available on the used market. It includes defined waypoints for all of the
NDB stations, all waypoints and intersections and all missed approach
waypoints. It is all you need. The ADF test is not required if it is not
installed in the plane. Other choices would be any IFR certified panel
mounted GPS's. Approach certified is nice but not necessary
Our CFII says we probably saved about 10 hours of training each by not
having to learn the junky ADF. (I mean, if the FAA was certifying ADFs now,
would they tolerate systems that point to alternators, strobe lights and
about anything else it chooses to!!!).
The regs require you to demonstrate proficiency in three different
approaches. IN this situation, it is VOR, LOCALIZER, and ILS. That covers
it!
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| Subject: | Cheaper wire "okay"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>Comments/Questions: Howdy-
>I am starting on my third homebuilt. I am looking for a discussion on
>using automotive wiring instead of normal aircraft wiring. Every other
>airplane I have built I used aircraft -- just wondering (besides the toxic
>insulation) if there are other reasons not to use it.
>
>I looked around the web and could not find a good discussion on it.
Do you have a copy of the AeroElectric Connection? Have you read
the chapter on wire?
Automotive wire is 7-strand material and bare, M22759/16
wire is 19-strand and plated. The PVC insulation isn't
a "terrible" material . . . it was the insulation of choice
for several decades. However, substitution of a cheaper
wire, or any other material is like painting your airplane
in the garage with $30/gallon paint using a brush.
The OBAM aircraft community has a unique opportunity
to craft the best airplanes to have ever flown.
The majority investment is time . . . the most
you can expect to save by selecting cheaper materials
would not be more than a few hundreds of dollars . . . while
the time remains constant. I strongly encourage you not
to cut the corners and to make this effort even better than
your last two efforts.
I will invite you to join us on the AeroElectric List
to continue this and similar discussions. It's useful to
share the information with as many folks as possible.
A further benefit can be realized with membership on
the list. There are lots of technically capable folks
on the list who can offer suggestions too. You can
join at . . .
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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| Subject: | Minimum spacing for toggle switches? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
At 05:59 AM 10/18/04, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>
>How big are your fingers?
,62"
I've played with switches at .75" on my desk, and the .44" clearance on
each side that it gives me seems to be enough, but that's without any
turbulence.
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| Subject: | Re: ADF sense antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: erie <erie@shelbyvilledesign.com>
You mean there's another use for it?....:)
erie
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> You need them both. The radio will work in the "receive" mode for
> ball games using only the sense antenna .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum spacing for toggle switches? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.rvproject.com/20030615.html
2nd photo down shows the spacing matrix I played with to get my preferred
spacing. I recommend you do the same -- take some scrap and drill holes at
various spacings until you're happy with it. If it's .0839838 then that's
what it is.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Riley" <richard@RILEY.NET>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Minimum spacing for toggle switches?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
>
> At 05:59 AM 10/18/04, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chuck Jensen
<cjensen@dts9000.com>
> >
> >How big are your fingers?
>
> ,62"
>
> I've played with switches at .75" on my desk, and the .44" clearance on
> each side that it gives me seems to be enough, but that's without any
> turbulence.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADF sense antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:57 AM, erie wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: erie
> <erie@shelbyvilledesign.com>
>
> You mean there's another use for it?....:)
Yeah, tune across the AM broadcast band and get:
Rush Limbaugh
Latino
Rush Limbaugh
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Rush Limbaugh
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Latino
Rush Limbaugh
ball game
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Latino
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Rush Limbaugh
oldies
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Latino
Rush Limbaugh
Ball game
Rush Limbaugh
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Latino
country music
Rush Limbaugh
Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
Rush Limbaugh
Actually, you can substitute many names that come under the heading of
"annoying self-righteous [liberal|conservative] call-in show host," for
"Rush Limbaugh." Sorry but I can't tell one Fundamentalist Christian
Preacher from another so for all I know they may all be the same.
I like the music on the Latino stations. And the oldies stations are
all exactly the same. I get a kick out of being able to tune from one
to another and just keep going with the same song. I think you can
tune this one in as you fly across the US.
do not archive
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: ADF sense antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
Brian,
You need to get an ipod.
On 10/18 1:03, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:57 AM, erie wrote:
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: erie
> > <erie@shelbyvilledesign.com>
> >
> > You mean there's another use for it?....:)
>
> Yeah, tune across the AM broadcast band and get:
>
> Rush Limbaugh
> Latino
> Rush Limbaugh
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Rush Limbaugh
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Latino
> Rush Limbaugh
> ball game
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Latino
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Rush Limbaugh
> oldies
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Latino
> Rush Limbaugh
> Ball game
> Rush Limbaugh
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Latino
> country music
> Rush Limbaugh
> Fundamentalist Christian Preaching
> Rush Limbaugh
>
> Actually, you can substitute many names that come under the heading of
> "annoying self-righteous [liberal|conservative] call-in show host," for
> "Rush Limbaugh." Sorry but I can't tell one Fundamentalist Christian
> Preacher from another so for all I know they may all be the same.
>
> I like the music on the Latino stations. And the oldies stations are
> all exactly the same. I get a kick out of being able to tune from one
> to another and just keep going with the same song. I think you can
> tune this one in as you fly across the US.
>
> do not archive
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
> citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
>
>
>
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:31 PM 10/18/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Olivier Le Carbonnier"
><olcdlm@laposte.net>
>
>thank's, but i don't understand the position of terminal in this crimper.
>for me the wire came from the "P256" side and the terminal side is on the
>"P255" side ?
>is this true ? have you a picture of good position for the terminal in the
>crimper ?
>
>Olivier LC
>France
>ICQ#: 82067330
> sanglier@laposte.net
Sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted those pictures
and I could have been more specific. The orignal pictures
have been joined by two additional picture as listed below. Notes
have been added to explain terminal positioning in the tools.
I've already returned the "Philmore" tool to B&C so I couldn't
take a picture of terminal placement in that tool but I think
the added notes will answer your questions.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P255.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P256.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P257.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P258.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/P259.jpg
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "P. Van Caulart" <etivc@iaw.on.ca>
Scott;
The ADF requires a sense antenna and when you get one make sure its
stainless so corrosion is not an issue. The KR86's have the combined
loop/sense antenna in one package but they are still costly radios.
I installed an ARC (Cessna) ADF which I bought for $60 on ebay and had
the avionics shop test for me. It works fine and does the trick for the
approaches and GPS overlay requirements.
Regarding ADF use in Canada, bear in mind that many remote airfields
only have a beacon as the sole navaid so if you plan on cross country at
all and want a second nav system to the GPS, then an ADF makes the most
sense. Because Canada does not have a plethora of VOR/ILS systems other
than 20 or so major airports, the ADF is a good northern navigation device.
It's also a cheap spherics device too, pointing to lightning's general
direction. And lastly you can use it for in flight entertainment.
Peter VC C-GCPG
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| Subject: | Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Grant Neilson" <grantneilson@telus.net>
Does anyone out there have a list of suppliers for landing light flashing
systems similar to the Pulsar system by AvTek?
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| Subject: | Re: Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
If you are talking about "wig-wag" lights, I suggest you do a search on the archives.
I think http://www.periheliondesign.com/ has that,
and so does B & C: http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?10X358218#ssf-1
Carlos
do not archive
--- Grant Neilson <grantneilson@telus.net> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Grant Neilson" <grantneilson@telus.net>
>
> Does anyone out there have a list of suppliers for landing light flashing
> systems similar to the Pulsar system by AvTek?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Hi grantneilson@telus.net,
Bob put this up on his web page a while back:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
Have you looked at it?
Have you Google'ed?
Matt-
VE N34RD, C150 N714BK
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Grant Neilson"
> <grantneilson@telus.net>
>
> Does anyone out there have a list of suppliers for landing light
> flashing systems similar to the Pulsar system by AvTek?
>
>
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| Subject: | when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Luthi" <mluethi@bigpond.com>
I just connected my new B&C starter motor to the electrical system and tested it
without the flywheel installed. When I engage the starter motor all my gadgets
(GRT EFIS, EIS, Skymap IIIc GPS) don't like this very much and reboot. It looks
to me as if the bus voltage drops too much for them to keep running. This
is only just for the moment when I engage the starter. I kept it running while
it ran all the electronic gizmos come up again fine.
1. I have a new Odyseey PC680 battery, charged, indicating 12.8V
2. The EFIS and EIS are always on when the master switch is engaged (no avionics
master)
3. I followed the "all electric aircraft on a budget" approach religiously.
Questions:
1. Is this "normal" behaivour?
2. I have dual Lightspeed ignition without a backup battery - I have the SD-8 PM
Standby Alternator for redundancy but now after I have read the posts about
the "kickback" problem experienced on EI systems during cranking and resulting
low voltage I am not so sure that this is a good setup for my starter motor.
Should I wire a backup battery with a diode to one of the LSE units?
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| Subject: | when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
You should never start the plane with your electronics turned on. You get a
big inductive spike when ou do that.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
Luthi
Subject: AeroElectric-List: when running my new B&C starter the lights
go out..
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Luthi" <mluethi@bigpond.com>
I just connected my new B&C starter motor to the electrical system and
tested it without the flywheel installed. When I engage the starter motor
all my gadgets (GRT EFIS, EIS, Skymap IIIc GPS) don't like this very much
and reboot. It looks to me as if the bus voltage drops too much for them to
keep running. This is only just for the moment when I engage the starter. I
kept it running while it ran all the electronic gizmos come up again fine.
1. I have a new Odyseey PC680 battery, charged, indicating 12.8V
2. The EFIS and EIS are always on when the master switch is engaged (no
avionics master)
3. I followed the "all electric aircraft on a budget" approach religiously.
Questions:
1. Is this "normal" behaivour?
2. I have dual Lightspeed ignition without a backup battery - I have the
SD-8 PM Standby Alternator for redundancy but now after I have read the
posts about the "kickback" problem experienced on EI systems during cranking
and resulting low voltage I am not so sure that this is a good setup for my
starter motor. Should I wire a backup battery with a diode to one of the LSE
units?
d entirely through the Contributions
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| Subject: | Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randy Pflanzer" <f1rocket@comcast.net>
>
> You should never start the plane with your electronics turned on. You get
> a
> big inductive spike when ou do that.
>
> Brian Kraut
Oh boy Brian, you better get your flamesuit on and fast.
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| Subject: | when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Luethi, Matt" <mluethi@ea.com>
Thanks Brian, GRT actually suggest having the EIS on for startup - you
need to establish oil pressure within 30 seconds right? I am not sure if
the EFIS needs to be switched off. The EIS and EFIS are the only two
units that have no on/off switch which means if you don't have the
avionics master then there is no way to switch these units off without
wiring a separate switch (which I don't like)
Matt
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Kraut
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: when running my new B&C starter the
lights go out..
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut"
--> <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
You should never start the plane with your electronics turned on. You
get a big inductive spike when ou do that.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
Luthi
Subject: AeroElectric-List: when running my new B&C starter the lights
go out..
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Luthi"
--> <mluethi@bigpond.com>
I just connected my new B&C starter motor to the electrical system and
tested it without the flywheel installed. When I engage the starter
motor all my gadgets (GRT EFIS, EIS, Skymap IIIc GPS) don't like this
very much and reboot. It looks to me as if the bus voltage drops too
much for them to keep running. This is only just for the moment when I
engage the starter. I kept it running while it ran all the electronic
gizmos come up again fine.
1. I have a new Odyseey PC680 battery, charged, indicating 12.8V 2. The
EFIS and EIS are always on when the master switch is engaged (no
avionics master) 3. I followed the "all electric aircraft on a budget"
approach religiously.
Questions:
1. Is this "normal" behaivour?
2. I have dual Lightspeed ignition without a backup battery - I have the
SD-8 PM Standby Alternator for redundancy but now after I have read the
posts about the "kickback" problem experienced on EI systems during
cranking and resulting low voltage I am not so sure that this is a good
setup for my starter motor. Should I wire a backup battery with a diode
to one of the LSE units?
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| Subject: | Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
HEY BOB!
Over here!...We got a live one for ya! Go get im!
Sorry, ... I just had ta do it,
Jim in Kelowna
"You should never start the plane with your electronics turned on. You get
a
> big inductive spike when ou do that."
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: when running my new B&C starter the lights
go out..
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut"
> <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>You should never start the plane with your electronics turned on. You get
>a
> big inductive spike when ou do that.
>
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
> Luthi
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: when running my new B&C starter the lights
> go out..
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Luthi"
> <mluethi@bigpond.com>
>
>
> I just connected my new B&C starter motor to the electrical system and
> tested it without the flywheel installed. When I engage the starter motor
> all my gadgets (GRT EFIS, EIS, Skymap IIIc GPS) don't like this very much
> and reboot. It looks to me as if the bus voltage drops too much for them
> to
> keep running. This is only just for the moment when I engage the starter.
> I
> kept it running while it ran all the electronic gizmos come up again fine.
>
> 1. I have a new Odyseey PC680 battery, charged, indicating 12.8V
> 2. The EFIS and EIS are always on when the master switch is engaged (no
> avionics master)
> 3. I followed the "all electric aircraft on a budget" approach
> religiously.
>
> Questions:
> 1. Is this "normal" behaivour?
> 2. I have dual Lightspeed ignition without a backup battery - I have the
> SD-8 PM Standby Alternator for redundancy but now after I have read the
> posts about the "kickback" problem experienced on EI systems during
> cranking
> and resulting low voltage I am not so sure that this is a good setup for
> my
> starter motor. Should I wire a backup battery with a diode to one of the
> LSE
> units?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights go out.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 10/19 10:52, Luethi, Matt wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Luethi, Matt" <mluethi@ea.com>
>
> Thanks Brian, GRT actually suggest having the EIS on for startup - you
> need to establish oil pressure within 30 seconds right? I am not sure if
> the EFIS needs to be switched off. The EIS and EFIS are the only two
> units that have no on/off switch which means if you don't have the
> avionics master then there is no way to switch these units off without
> wiring a separate switch (which I don't like)
I agree that having "extra" switches detracts from the overall
apearance of the panel. I had the same dilema but I forged on and
installed mini toggle switches for the EFIS 2 and EFIS 3 screens. The
EFIS 1 switch which is a DPDT controls the power for EFIS 1 and the
AHRS unit and it's over in the area with all the other switches. The
mini toggles are located near each other respective EFIS (2 & 3)
It's not ugly by any stretch of the imagination and I can power them
up as needed. Each is also on a different bus.
entry 10/12/04 at
http://www.rv7-a.com/avionics_panel_3.htm
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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go out..
| Subject: | Re: when running my new B&C starter the lights |
go out..
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kent Ashton <kjashton@vnet.net>
> From: "Matt Luthi" <mluethi@bigpond.com>
> 2. I have dual Lightspeed ignition without a backup battery - I have the SD-8
> PM Standby Alternator for redundancy but now after I have read the posts about
> the "kickback" problem experienced on EI systems during cranking and resulting
> low voltage I am not so sure that this is a good setup for my starter motor.
> Should I wire a backup battery with a diode to one of the LSE units?
I have never had any kickback problems starting an O-360 with two
Lightspeed EIs. I use two 17 AH batteries (overkill) which I tie together
for engine start. Each LSE is hotwired to one of the batteries. I turn
both the EIs on for start and turn my battery crossfeed switch off after
start. I use an avionics master switch just to avoid the drop-out you
cited. sounds like you need the avionics master unless you can just turn
things off until after start.
If I had your system, I think I'd use a smaller backup battery fed by a
diode and hotwire the LSEs to the two batteries.
--Kent
Cozy IV
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| Subject: | Re: Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Matt Prather wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
>
>
>Hi grantneilson@telus.net,
>
>Bob put this up on his web page a while back:
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
>
>Have you looked at it?
>
>Have you Google'ed?
>
>Matt-
>VE N34RD, C150 N714BK
>
>
>
<http://users.easystreet.com/bhaan/indexqt.html>You can pick up the
flasher at NAPA It is a Tridon - EL13A-2,
If they can't find it tell them it's list under NAPA line code NF.
--
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Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | when running my new B&C starter the |
lights go out..
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
lights go out..
At 07:27 PM 10/18/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut"
><brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
>You should never start the plane with your electronics turned on. You get a
>big inductive spike when ou do that.
I've been hearing about these for years but never captured
any in the wild. Can you help us with source of the transients,
amplitude, duration and source impedance?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:51 PM 10/18/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Grant Neilson"
><grantneilson@telus.net>
>
>Does anyone out there have a list of suppliers for landing light flashing
>systems similar to the Pulsar system by AvTek?
See:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Bobby Hester wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
>Matt Prather wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
>>
>>
>>Hi grantneilson@telus.net,
>>
>>Bob put this up on his web page a while back:
>>
>>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
>>
>>Have you looked at it?
>>
>>Have you Google'ed?
>>
>>Matt-
>>VE N34RD, C150 N714BK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
><http://users.easystreet.com/bhaan/indexqt.html>You can pick up the
>flasher at NAPA It is a Tridon - EL13A-2,
>If they can't find it tell them it's list under NAPA line code NF.
>
>
>
Woops! Disreguard that link, I copy the text and accidentlt got that old
link in there.
You can pick up the flasher at NAPA It is a Tridon - EL13A-2,
If they can't find it tell them it's list under NAPA line code NF.
--
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Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Flashing Landing Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Try this for size - http://shop.store.yahoo.com/bcssales/shomranheadf.html
note the brand and manufacturer - determine your wattage capacity needs.
http://www.able2products.com/Homepage.htm (Manufacturers home page)
http://www.copcars.com/able2/ (Shows flasher models and options in table
by model)
You can find more about them and what is available if do a google.com
search for the manufacturer. They come in functions (both flash,
alternate, or both on), flash rates, pig tail wires or screw
terminals. Mine cost around $45 with screw terminals, slowest flash rate I
could get if I recall right that is 1 second, and ability to select the
three features above by switch control.
jerb
At 06:04 PM 10/18/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
>If you are talking about "wig-wag" lights, I suggest you do a search on
>the archives.
>I think http://www.periheliondesign.com/ has that,
>and so does B & C:
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?10X358218#ssf-1
>
>Carlos
>do not archive
>
>
> --- Grant Neilson <grantneilson@telus.net> wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Grant Neilson"
> <grantneilson@telus.net>
> >
> > Does anyone out there have a list of suppliers for landing light flashing
> > systems similar to the Pulsar system by AvTek?
> >
>
>
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