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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Stuck Starter Contactor (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Tach sender (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 10:20 AM - PIDG splice sources? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
4. 11:42 AM - Re: Tach sender (Steve Sampson)
5. 03:20 PM - Re: PIDG splice sources? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 04:22 PM - Ray Allen stick grip controls (Bikcrzy@aol.com)
7. 04:36 PM - Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
8. 05:01 PM - Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls (Richard V. Reynolds)
9. 05:26 PM - Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls (Neil K Clayton)
10. 07:10 PM - push-to-test (Kenneth Melvin)
11. 07:33 PM - Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls (John Schroeder)
12. 11:03 PM - Kitfox Electrical (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck Starter Contactor |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:41 AM 12/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
>
>If you have normal voltage (charging) after start then all is well.
>
>A stuck starter will surely result in low voltage when you check it
>after start as the starter will be drawing more current than the
>alternator can produce at idle. Thus the voltage will be lower than
>normal. Turning on additional loads will depress the voltage even further.
>
>If you have a battery ammeter, it will not be showing a normal charge
>current as the alternator output will be going to the starter rather
>than charging the battery. Notice I said abnormal rather than high or
>low. I would expect the battery to be discharging at idle but the
>battery ammeter may or may not be wired to sense starter current which
>can tend to confuse someone who doesn't know his system. In some systems
>the ammeter may show a reassuringly high alternator current going into
>the battery terminal while an even larger current is coming out of the
>battery terminal on a different wire and going to the starter. I guess
>this is part of the reason why I prefer a voltmeter over
>ammeters/loadmeters if one is only going to have one electrical meter.
>.
>If you have an alternator loadmeter it will show the alternator
>producing max current. That high current will increase as you go above
>idle but will not cut back as it normally does since the voltage won't
>get up to the voltage regulating point unless you have a very large
>alternator. So the meter reads abnormally high alternator output current.
>
>Ken
A well considered and descriptive analysis/explanation sir.
Thank you!
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 06:17 PM 12/22/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
><SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
>I have just bought the tach sender fromVANS that screws on the back of the
>engine. It ( IE VTACHGEN2) has 3 leads on it. Red Black and White.
>
>I assume:
>Red - 12V
>Black - Ground/Earth
>White - Signal.
>
>Can anyone confirm my assumption about the black and white leads is correct.
>It has no docs.
If I were designing this product, that's the color coding
I would use. But as an absolute guarantee on our assumptions,
may I suggest you contact Van's directly? I've forwarded a copy
of this note to our friend Scott Risen at Van's. I trust
he or someone else from Van's will be responding to you
directly as their schedule permits.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | PIDG splice sources? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net>
Anyone have a really good source for 24-20 PIDG splices (323975)? The
best I could find on the web was at www.crimptools.com, at $22.95/100.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott
Lycoming owner, Corvair wannabe!
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Bob, thanks for that. Yes I have had a confirmation from VANS that this is
correct. Steve.
PS I wonder why people dont just label things. Occasionally I have seen some
pretty odd use of colour. Assuming people use standards can be expensive.
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Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tach sender
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 06:17 PM 12/22/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
><SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
>I have just bought the tach sender fromVANS that screws on the back of the
>engine. It ( IE VTACHGEN2) has 3 leads on it. Red Black and White.
>
>I assume:
>Red - 12V
>Black - Ground/Earth
>White - Signal.
>
>Can anyone confirm my assumption about the black and white leads is
correct.
>It has no docs.
If I were designing this product, that's the color coding
I would use. But as an absolute guarantee on our assumptions,
may I suggest you contact Van's directly? I've forwarded a copy
of this note to our friend Scott Risen at Van's. I trust
he or someone else from Van's will be responding to you
directly as their schedule permits.
Bob . . .
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< of man. Advances which permit this norm to be >
< exceeded -- here and there, now and then -- are the >
< work of an extremely small minority, frequently >
< despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed >
< by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny >
< minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes >
< happens) is driven out of a society, the people >
< then slip back into abject poverty. >
< >
< This is known as "bad luck". >
< -Lazarus Long- >
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| Subject: | Re: PIDG splice sources? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 10:56 AM 12/23/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dr. Andrew Elliott"
><a.s.elliott@cox.net>
>
>Anyone have a really good source for 24-20 PIDG splices (323975)? The
>best I could find on the web was at www.crimptools.com, at $22.95/100.
23 cents each is a really good price for PIDG splices . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Ray Allen stick grip controls |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
Hello Group,
I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be completed
RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to a
terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't see any
terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I visit. The
smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp terminals for
this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess I could
use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
appreciated. John Robinson
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
I just used the smallest Dsub pins I could find and used a 9 pin D connector at
the base of the control stick. You can go from the other side of the D sub connector
with any small wire size you want to a terminal block or wherever your
wire travles take you. I got my D sub connectors with male and female crimp
on pins and crimper at radio shack.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be completed
> RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
> want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to a
> terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't see any
> terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I visit. The
> smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp terminals for
> this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess I could
> use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
> appreciated. John Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
I just used the smallest Dsub pins I could find and used a 9 pin D connector at
the base of the control stick. You can go from the other side of the D sub connector
with any small wire size you want to a terminal block or wherever your
wire travles take you. I got my D sub connectors with male and female crimp on
pins and crimper at radio shack.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
Hello Group,
I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be completed
RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to a
terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't see any
terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I visit. The
smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp terminals for
this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess I could
use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
appreciated. John Robinson
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
To wire the Stick switches, I used a Belkin 156462 Pro Series 6 ft PC Monitor
VGA/SVGA cable, High Density DB15 Male/Male. I cut the cable in half and wired
both sticks switches. You should be able to find a mating DB15 Female/Female
cable to continue your wiring or use a DB15 female connector with solder cups
(uhg!).
Richard Reynolds, Norfolk, VA, RV-6A flying
Bikcrzy@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be completed
> RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
> want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to a
> terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't see any
> terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I visit. The
> smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp terminals for
> this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess I could
> use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
> appreciated. John Robinson
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil K Clayton <harvey4@earthlink.net>
I tried using a D-sub connector for my Infinity stick wiring but the wires
coming from the stick's switches are too large for the D-sub pins.
I've been thinking about a circular bayonet type of connector, but there's
such a bewildering array of connectors in the Digikey and Mouser
catalogues, that I'm at an impasse.
Basically I want to be able to mate/demate the stick from the aircraft. It
has 17 wires in a single bundle.
Any suggestions welcome.
Neil C
At 07:55 PM 12/23/2004, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds"
><rvreynolds@macs.net>
>
>To wire the Stick switches, I used a Belkin 156462 Pro Series 6 ft PC Monitor
>VGA/SVGA cable, High Density DB15 Male/Male. I cut the cable in half and wired
>both sticks switches. You should be able to find a mating DB15 Female/Female
>cable to continue your wiring or use a DB15 female connector with solder cups
>(uhg!).
>
>Richard Reynolds, Norfolk, VA, RV-6A flying
>
>
>Bikcrzy@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be
> completed
> > RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
> > want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to a
> > terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't
> see any
> > terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I
> visit. The
> > smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp
> terminals for
> > this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess
> I could
> > use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
> > appreciated. John Robinson
> >
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kenneth Melvin <melvinke@direcway.com>
How does one wire the three terminals on a push-to-test lamp?
Kenneth Melvin
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Neil -
What makes the wire bundle so full of wires? !!
The Infinities come with all switches wired, but you don't have to run all
of the wires out of the stick - just the ones you need. AMP CPC's work
well and the Type II's use the same machined pins as the D Subs. The pins
handle up to 20AWG, and that is probably bigger than you need.
Another solution, is the Molex Mini-Fit Juniors. You can get pins that fit
26 to 22 AWG. We used them on all of the trim circuits in our Lancair ES
(3 axis trim tabs and indicators for pitch and yaw). Palladin makes a
great and fairly inexpensive crimper frame (Series 3300, I believe). They
make an open barrel die set that crimps 28 to 22 AWG and 18 to 22. We've
used this die for about 60% of all our crimps.
We'll probably use DSubs for the stick wiring, but I'll have to wait to
see what the wires actually look like on our Infinities.
Cheers,
John
> Basically I want to be able to mate/demate the stick from the
> aircraft. It has 17 wires in a single bundle. Any suggestions welcome.
>
> Neil C
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Electrical |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Hi all!
I'm finishing a Kitfox with a 582 and Bob's Z-17 electrical. The
question is where to put everything.
1. I searched the list and it seemed the consensus was to put the Rotax
264870 finned regulator on the engine side of the firewall, even though it
might suffer from the heat, to minimize the comm interference. Still true?
Any experience with it on the back side of the firewall?
2. What about the large filter cap? Since it's filtering noise I guess it
really wants to be forward of the firewall as well.
3. I need to mount a Sigtronics RES-401 intercom control box. Is this box
OK next to the regulator? Is it OK on the firewall? Or should I mount it to
the back of the instrument panel for some vibration isolation?
4. Is the overvoltage relay OK aft of the firewall? Or should I put it
forward as well to minimize noise?
Thanks for the help.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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