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1. 03:38 AM - Service ceiling of batteries? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls (Randy Pflanzer)
3. 05:24 AM - Stick grip wiring (Bikcrzy@aol.com)
4. 05:35 AM - Off/On/Mom Switch (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: Off/On/Mom Switch (Mark R Steitle)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Off/On/Mom Switch (LarryRobertHelming)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Off/On/Mom Switch (Bobby Hester)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: Off/On/Mom Switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 07:32 AM - Re: Off/On/Mom Switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 07:55 AM - PIDG splice sources ()
11. 08:02 AM - Re: Stick grip wiring (Randy Pflanzer)
12. 09:07 AM - Altimeters- TSO vs non TSO ()
13. 09:12 AM - Re: Off/On/Mom Switch (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
14. 09:43 AM - Test, Ignore. (Matt Dralle)
15. 10:04 AM - Kitfox Electrical (Guy Buchanan)
16. 05:57 PM - KN65A DME (Franck ILMAIN)
17. 07:50 PM - Re: KN65A DME (Ron Koyich)
18. 08:49 PM - Re: KN65A DME (Franck ILMAIN)
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| Subject: | Service ceiling of batteries? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious.
Is there a service ceiling where any of these batteries?
Odyssey 680 AGM
Alkaline D cells in ELT
NiMh - NiCad - LiIon in handheld stuff
Small button battery memory stuff
Lithium Polymer batteries as used on E-Models that I will be carrying around
GellCells as used for backup on EFIS
Any other airplane related things need to be aware of that could cause problems
at FL250
in a unpressurized Europa XS?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen stick grip controls |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randy Pflanzer" <f1rocket@comcast.net>
John,
Just strip the ends of the wire double the length you need and fold it back
on itself. Stick it into a #22 terminal and crimp.
Pictures of this setup can be found below.
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/RigFinalAssembly3.html#Control%20Stick
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/RigFinalAssembly4.html
Randy
F1 Rocket
www.pflanzer-aviation.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Bikcrzy@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen stick grip controls
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be
> completed
> RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
> want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to
> a
> terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't see
> any
> terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I
> visit. The
> smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp terminals
> for
> this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess I
> could
> use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
> appreciated. John Robinson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stick grip wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
Randy,
I like your idea of just folding the wire back on itself and using a
22AWG terminal. Is there any problem with the insulated portion of the wire not
securing properly due to the size? John Robinson
AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randy Pflanzer" <f1rocket@comcast.net>
John,
Just strip the ends of the wire double the length you need and fold it back
on itself. Stick it into a #22 terminal and crimp.
Pictures of this setup can be found below.
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/RigFinalAssembly3.html#Control%20Stick
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/RigFinalAssembly4.html
Randy
F1 Rocket
www.pflanzer-aviation.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Bikcrzy@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen stick grip controls
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be
> completed
> RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded). I
> want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure to
> a
> terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't see
> any
> terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I
> visit. The
> smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp terminals
> for
> this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess I
> could
> use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
> appreciated. John Robinson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Bob,
Check the electical catalogs for an ON/ON/(ON). A quick search of the Mouser catalog
shows this switch to be available in a variety of styles. Don't wire the
first "ON" and it will work the same as an OFF/ON/(ON) switch.
Mark S.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Maureen & Bob Christensen
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Off/On/Mom Switch
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
B & C has this switch also. That is where I got mine.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
<mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Bob,
> Check the electical catalogs for an ON/ON/(ON). A quick search of the
Mouser catalog shows this switch to be available in a variety of styles.
Don't wire the first "ON" and it will work the same as an OFF/ON/(ON)
switch.
>
> Mark S.
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
<mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>
> I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and
primer
> solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
>
> Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
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| Subject: | Re: Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
>
>I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
>solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
>
>Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
>
I have one on my plane, not flying yet :-(
Go here:
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-3
I think the one you need is this one: S700-2-51 DPDT (ON) - ON - OFF
Switch
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Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:09 AM 12/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
><bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
>Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
> <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
> >
> >I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
> >solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
> >
> >Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Bob
> >
> >
>I have one on my plane, not flying yet :-(
>
>Go here:
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-3
>
>I think the one you need is this one: S700-2-51 DPDT (ON) - ON - OFF
>Switch
Close but the last digits are -50 not -51. This switch and its cousins
are described at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/switches.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:09 AM 12/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
><bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
>Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
> <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
> >
> >I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and primer
> >solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
> >
> >Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Bob
> >
> >
>I have one on my plane, not flying yet :-(
>
>Go here:
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-3
>
>I think the one you need is this one: S700-2-51 DPDT (ON) - ON - OFF
>Switch
Close but the last digits are -50 not -51. This switch and its cousins
are described at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/switches.pdf
P.S. Also see this document that explains the differences
for terminal numbering between various brands of switches.
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Carling_Micro/Carling_Micro.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | PIDG splice sources |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "Dr. Andrew Elliott"
<a.s.elliott@cox.net>
>
> Anyone have a really good source for 24-20 PIDG splices (323975)? The
> best I could find on the web was at www.crimptools.com, at $22.95/100.
> Thanks, Andy Elliott
12/24/2004
Hello Andy, Is it possible that some MS terminals from Terminal Town would
do the job?
See <<http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/page98.html>>
Cost per item is high, but may be OK for just a few are needed.
OC
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| Subject: | Re: Stick grip wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randy Pflanzer" <f1rocket@comcast.net>
My airplane is back at the hangar, and it's about -6 F at the moment, so I
won't be going over there any time soon. I'll have to double check to be
absolutely sure, but I believe the B & C crimper that I use will crimp down
on the insulation. I just remember wiring mine up without a problem, but
I'm not flying yet so I can say with absolute certainty. Best thing to do
is crimp one and try to pull it apart or make it fail. That way, you can be
sure.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: <Bikcrzy@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Stick grip wiring
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
>
> Randy,
>
> I like your idea of just folding the wire back on itself and using a
> 22AWG terminal. Is there any problem with the insulated portion of the
> wire not
> securing properly due to the size? John Robinson
>
> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randy Pflanzer"
> <f1rocket@comcast.net>
>
> John,
>
> Just strip the ends of the wire double the length you need and fold it
> back
> on itself. Stick it into a #22 terminal and crimp.
>
> Pictures of this setup can be found below.
> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/RigFinalAssembly3.html#Control%20Stick
> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/RigFinalAssembly4.html
>
> Randy
> F1 Rocket
> www.pflanzer-aviation.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Bikcrzy@aol.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen stick grip controls
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bikcrzy@aol.com
>>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> I am installing a Ray Allen control stick grip on my yet to be
>> completed
>> RV-7A. The wire that is supplied with the grip is 26 AWG (19 stranded).
>> I
>> want to exit the base of the stick with these 26 AWG wires and secure
>> to
>> a
>> terminal block so I can branch out from this terminal block. I don't
>> see
>> any
>> terminals available for wire smaller than 22 AWG at the websites I
>> visit. The
>> smallest my crimpers will handle is 22 AWG. Do they make crimp
>> terminals
>> for
>> this small wire or do I have to get bare terminals and solder? I guess
>> I
>> could
>> use 22 instead of the 26 the company supplies? Any and all thoughts are
>> appreciated. John Robinson
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Altimeters- TSO vs non TSO |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Avionics-List message previously posted by: "Fred Fillinger"
<n3eu@comcast.net>
> ....skip....... It cannot be installed in a production aircraft, unless it
> is FAA-approved by other means, such as
> an STC.....skip.....
12/24/2004
Hello Fred, Your statement above regarding altimeters permitted to be
installed in "production aircraft" (I assume that you mean standard type
certificated aircraft) puzzles me.
I am aware that the FAA, by means of the FAR's, requires some instruments
and equipment in aircraft (both standard type certificated and amateur built
experimental) to be "approved" by some FAA approval process. I am also aware
that there are various ways that the FAA can grant approval for a piece of
equipment that is to be installed in an airplane. But there are also
instruments and equipment required to be in both those aircraft categories
that do not have to be FAA approved.
If one reads FAR Sec 91.205 carefully it identifies which items of required
equipment must be "approved" in order to be used in aircraft. Some examples
are: collision lights, safety belts, shoulder harness', ELT's (by reference
to FAR Sec 91.207), and position lights.**
Altimeters are not identified as one of the items that must be "approved" by
some FAA approval process in order to be installed in an aircraft.
My question to you is: What is the basis for your statement above? Thanks.
OC
**PS: I would like to point out again that since there are no certification
requirements for amateur built experimental aircraft that the FAA approval
process for some of these items used in those aircraft comes in the form of
the initial inspection and airworthiness approval of these aircraft.
PPS: One should also be aware that though FAR Sec 91.205 itself says that
the Section applies to "...civil aircraft with a standard category US
airworthiness certificate..." the Operating Limitations that are part of the
Special Airworthiness Certificate issued for each amateur built experimental
aircraft contains the words ".....In addition, this aircraft must be
operated in accordance with the applicable air traffic and general operating
rules of Part 91...........".
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| Subject: | Re: Off/On/Mom Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
Thanks eveyone!
Don't know how I missed it!
Merry Christmas!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Off/On/Mom Switch
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<b.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
> At 09:09 AM 12/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
> ><bhester@hopkinsville.net>
> >
> >Maureen & Bob Christensen wrote:
> >
> > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen"
> > <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
> > >
> > >I'm looking for a switch that can control the electric fuel pump and
primer
> > >solenoid on a RV-8 from one switch . . . Off/On/Mom.
> > >
> > >Can anyone tell me where to find on and what to ask for?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Bob
> > >
> > >
> >I have one on my plane, not flying yet :-(
> >
> >Go here:
>
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-3
> >
> >I think the one you need is this one: S700-2-51 DPDT (ON) - ON - OFF
> >Switch
>
> Close but the last digits are -50 not -51. This switch and its cousins
> are described at:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/switches.pdf
>
> P.S. Also see this document that explains the differences
> for terminal numbering between various brands of switches.
>
> http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Carling_Micro/Carling_Micro.pdf
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> --
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Testing.
Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> (by way of Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>) |
| Subject: | Kitfox Electrical |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> (by way
of Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>)
Hi all!
I'm finishing a Kitfox with a 582 and Bob's Z-17 electrical. The
question is where to put everything.
1. I searched the list and it seemed the consensus was to put the Rotax
264870 finned regulator on the engine side of the firewall, even though it
might suffer from the heat, to minimize the comm interference. Still true?
Any experience with it on the back side of the firewall?
2. What about the large filter cap? Since it's filtering noise I guess it
really wants to be forward of the firewall as well.
3. I need to mount a Sigtronics RES-401 intercom control box. Is this box
OK next to the regulator? Is it OK on the firewall? Or should I mount it to
the back of the instrument panel for some vibration isolation?
4. Is the overvoltage relay OK aft of the firewall? Or should I put it
forward as well to minimize noise?
Thanks for the help.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Franck ILMAIN" <f_ilmain@hotmail.com>
Anyone has a wiring diagram for the KN 65A DME and KI 267 indicator ?
Can another tupe of indicator be used instead of the KI 267 ?
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ron Koyich" <Ron@Koyich.com>
Merry Christmas all!
Why would anyone want to install a KN-65 DME - or any old DME in an
aircraft in 2005?
Heavy, old, junk, IMO. I was making money fixing those things in 1975 and
they weren't reliable then.
Sure they're a TSO'd DME - and a Garmin 196 isn't - but I'd rather the
Garmin any day.
To answer your question, the KI-266 mechanical indicator was a large part of
the problems of the KN-65 - the KI-267 indicators (there are variants),
was a better choice. I no longer have a wiring diagram.
Ron
**********************************************
Anyone has a wiring diagram for the KN 65A DME and KI 267 indicator ?
Can another tupe of indicator be used instead of the KI 267 ?
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Franck ILMAIN" <f_ilmain@hotmail.com>
Agree with you. Only problem is: it is there and it works except for the
Radial reading
It gives Distance / Speed but the radial indication is always 180 . I am
suspecting a wrong wiring.
I have a similar problem with a KR-85 ADF. A (heavy) piece of junk, but a
shop would charge me to take it off !
Merry Christmas
>From: "Ron Koyich" <Ron@Koyich.com>
>Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: KN65A DME
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:49:27 +1100
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ron Koyich" <Ron@Koyich.com>
>
>Merry Christmas all!
>
>Why would anyone want to install a KN-65 DME - or any old DME in an
>aircraft in 2005?
>
>Heavy, old, junk, IMO. I was making money fixing those things in 1975 and
>they weren't reliable then.
>
>Sure they're a TSO'd DME - and a Garmin 196 isn't - but I'd rather the
>Garmin any day.
>
>To answer your question, the KI-266 mechanical indicator was a large part
>of
>the problems of the KN-65 - the KI-267 indicators (there are variants),
>was a better choice. I no longer have a wiring diagram.
>
>
>Ron
>
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>
>Anyone has a wiring diagram for the KN 65A DME and KI 267 indicator ?
>
>Can another tupe of indicator be used instead of the KI 267 ?
>
>
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