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1. 06:02 AM - Re: Dynon Efis (John Schroeder)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Installing a DAVTRON Outside Air Temp (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Dynon Efis (Wayne Sweet)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Dynon Efis (Wayne Sweet)
5. 10:30 AM - Re: Fix for radio noise (Charles Heathco)
6. 01:21 PM - Re: Dynon Efis (Kevin Horton)
7. 03:38 PM - Dynon EFIS (brucem@att.net)
8. 04:14 PM - panel mounted fuses.. (Rob Logan)
9. 04:39 PM - avionics master (Rob Logan)
10. 05:17 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
11. 05:18 PM - Re: Dynon Efis (Wayne Sweet)
12. 06:26 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Maureen & Bob Christensen)
13. 07:11 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] (Rob Logan)
14. 07:48 PM - Re: Dynon Efis (Eric Schlanser)
15. 08:25 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Dan O'Brien)
16. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] (Wayne Sweet)
17. 09:00 PM - Re: panel mounted fuses.. (Richard E. Tasker)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Wayne -
What do you mean by the acronym: "DA"? We have the Dynon D10A, the OAT
and the magnetometer.
We bought our stack from John Stark @ Stark Avionics. After seeing what
those huge bundles of wires looked like (especially the Garmin Audio
Panel), we thankfully admitted that it would have been a nightmare to have
done it ourselves. I had been pretty confident that I could do it. We did
compare prices between the Approach Hub/Cabling product and the price that
John gave us to do all the interface cabling. John was cheaper by a
significant amount. Garmin won't honor the warranty if you do any of the
cabling yourself - according to other folks and John.
Glad you got yours working.
Cheers,
John
> I have a Dynon EFIS D10A with OAT and magnetometer. The DA and true
> airspeed be very representative; DA compares well with that calculated
> in my GNS430. The magnetometer did not need any correction after the
> inclination was entered via the Support Program. A different program is
> used for that
> than that used to calibrate the heading magnetometer, both downloaded
> from Dynon's website.
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instrument.
| Subject: | Re: Installing a DAVTRON Outside Air Temp |
instrument.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
No it will read just fine. I did the same thing to my guage.
Steve
Kingston, Ont
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells"
> <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca>
>
> I have installed a Davtron OAT gauge 307FC - on the instrument panel.
> See
> A.C.S. catalogue, page 353. I would like to wire it now for mounting just
> inside the inner inspection plate of the right wing (RV-9A). I would like
> to cut the red/black wires for an AMP terminal block in the wing root, as
> well as one additional knife/disconnect connection.
>
> My question. Would the two connections compromise the capability of the
> instrument as well as the accuracy of the gauge? I live in Northern
> Ontario. OAT is a significant question. Thanks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Development Expense
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson"
> <jayeandscott@telus.net>
>>
>>
>> >> When I hear that designs are fixed due to the HUGE cost of FAA
>> >> certification, I don't believe it. The FAA is a bureaucracy but they
>> >> respond
>> >> to standard engineering documents.
>>
>> I disagree: check out this month's Aviation Consumer on page 20 to see
> just
>> how this mindset is holding us back..
>> SCott in VAncover>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
My airplane has over 1100 hours on it. Obviously 2nd flight after installing
the EFIS.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Talbot" <rwtalbot@purephotos.com.au>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard Talbot"
> <rwtalbot@purephotos.com.au>
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet"
> <w_sweet@comcast.net>
>
> I had to shoot an ILS on the second flight to get back into my home
> airport
> and found using the EFIS with the OBS just under it.
>
> You mean 2nd flight after installing the EFIS, I hope?
>
> Richard
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
John,
DA is density altitude, which is displayed on the left side, if it's
configured that way.
Depends on where you purchase the GARMIN whatever. Chief Aircraft said they
could not sell me a GNS430 without installation. I bought mine on eBay and
called Garmin asking about the warrantee. They did not have a problem with
me installing it and would honor the 22 months remaining on the warrantee.
However, PS-Engineering would not honor their warrantee without supplying
the pilot/copilot harness. I purchase those from them, all 8 wires; the
interesting part was the interface with my two NAV/COM, GNS430 GPS and
existing marker beacons.
The terminology used in the wiring diagrams is a bit confusing and that I
had to make calls to get clarified. All in all, not an enjoyable experience.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> Wayne -
>
> What do you mean by the acronym: "DA"? We have the Dynon D10A, the OAT
> and the magnetometer.
>
> We bought our stack from John Stark @ Stark Avionics. After seeing what
> those huge bundles of wires looked like (especially the Garmin Audio
> Panel), we thankfully admitted that it would have been a nightmare to have
> done it ourselves. I had been pretty confident that I could do it. We did
> compare prices between the Approach Hub/Cabling product and the price that
> John gave us to do all the interface cabling. John was cheaper by a
> significant amount. Garmin won't honor the warranty if you do any of the
> cabling yourself - according to other folks and John.
>
> Glad you got yours working.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>> I have a Dynon EFIS D10A with OAT and magnetometer. The DA and true
>> airspeed be very representative; DA compares well with that calculated
>> in my GNS430. The magnetometer did not need any correction after the
>> inclination was entered via the Support Program. A different program is
>> used for that
>> than that used to calibrate the heading magnetometer, both downloaded
>> from Dynon's website.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fix for radio noise |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
I thought I would post the results of noise fix. I installed both mag filters.
(tedious) and fixed the noise. charlie heathco ATL.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
You are still way braver than I am, unless your previous attitude
indicator, ASI and altimeter were still installed, in their original panel
locations. I plan to have quite a few hours on my Dynon EFIS in VMC
conditions before I venture into the clouds. You obviously got away with
it, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea for other people to head
off into the clouds until they have had lots of time getting used to the
EFIS presentation, and have enough hours on it to confirm that it is
working properly.
Don't take it personally - I just thought it was worth a comment. We all
want to decrease the accident rate of homebuilt aircraft, and that means we
need to be very thoughtful about which risks are worth taking.
Kevin Horton
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
>
>My airplane has over 1100 hours on it. Obviously 2nd flight after installing
>the EFIS.
>Wayne
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Talbot" <rwtalbot@purephotos.com.au>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard Talbot"
> > <rwtalbot@purephotos.com.au>
> >
> >
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet"
> > <w_sweet@comcast.net>
> >
> > I had to shoot an ILS on the second flight to get back into my home
> > airport
> > and found using the EFIS with the OBS just under it.
> >
> > You mean 2nd flight after installing the EFIS, I hope?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net
Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required.
FWIW, Bruce McGregor
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Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required.
FWIW, Bruce McGregor
do not archive
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| Subject: | panel mounted fuses.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan <Rob@Logan.com>
klixon 7277 breakers are $20 each
http://www.ti.com/snc/products/controls/acb-7277.htm
so when a switch is required, (lights, tube heat..)
potter & brumfield switch/breakers seem to be
the best option.
but for items that just need wire protection
and not a load shedding "off" option, perhaps
fuses would be ok. Found some fuses holders
http://www.excess-solutions.com/FUSES.HTM
and one even with fast on terminals
http://www.excess-solutions.com/SpecSheets/c_fiz.pdf
but I don't see an easy way to attach a bar across a
row of them.. Plus it would be nice if one could swap
fuses without a screw driver.
have you find a better panel mounted fuse
holder? (or a cheap source of klixons? :-)
Rob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan <Rob@Logan.com>
there are some items that don't have power buttons
and one doesn't want on when you are trying to start
the plane... in my case
http://rob.com/lancair/Others/woody/2005.01/mahar-gp4-03-011205.pdf
things like:
FPD
MFD
AHRS
T&B
ALTRAK
XPNDR
ENCODER
WSI
WX500
so this is a perfect case for an avionics master.. as much
as I hid in the lancair world http://lancair.net/lists/lml/
I must admit to having heard of this group and its distain for
the avionics master switch... after some research it seemed
to focus on "single point of failure" of the switch or relay
feed. so what about two potter & brumfield switch/breakers
to feed the avionics buss bar? this way either could feed
the bar in the event the first failed. wouldn't that solve
the single failure point and remove 9 switches for each
thing on the avionics buss?
Rob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Scrap all the smallish displays ones and go for a larger one that can do split
screen like GRT's EFIS which can also display engine and moving map info as well
as slick PFD data.
http://www.grtavionics.com/efis_horizond_series_1.htm
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net
>
> Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3
> (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder,
> plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All
> this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you
> connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required.
>
> FWIW, Bruce McGregor
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3
> (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus
> OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this
> costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect
> to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required.
>
> FWIW, Bruce McGregor
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Scrap all the smallish displays ones and go for a larger one that can do split
screen like GRT's EFIS which can also display engine and moving map info as well
as slick PFD data.
http://www.grtavionics.com/efis_horizond_series_1.htm
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net
Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3
(www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder,
plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All
this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you
connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required.
FWIW, Bruce McGregor
do not archive
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Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3
(www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus
OBS/CDI as a nav he
ad, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this
costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect
to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required.
FWIW, Bruce McGregor
do not archive
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
Understand Kevin; I have 1100 hours in my MustangII and 5000 hours
instructing from primary to multi-engine instrument (had a student who got
both at the same time). This is just to put my seemingly reckless attitude
in perspective.
The EFIS replaced both "steam" gages, AI, and DG.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> You are still way braver than I am, unless your previous attitude
> indicator, ASI and altimeter were still installed, in their original panel
> locations. I plan to have quite a few hours on my Dynon EFIS in VMC
> conditions before I venture into the clouds. You obviously got away with
> it, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea for other people to head
> off into the clouds until they have had lots of time getting used to the
> EFIS presentation, and have enough hours on it to confirm that it is
> working properly.
>
> Don't take it personally - I just thought it was worth a comment. We all
> want to decrease the accident rate of homebuilt aircraft, and that means
> we
> need to be very thoughtful about which risks are worth taking.
>
> Kevin Horton
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet"
>><w_sweet@comcast.net>
>>
>>My airplane has over 1100 hours on it. Obviously 2nd flight after
>>installing
>>the EFIS.
>>Wayne
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Richard Talbot" <rwtalbot@purephotos.com.au>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis
>>
>>
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard Talbot"
>> > <rwtalbot@purephotos.com.au>
>> >
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet"
>> > <w_sweet@comcast.net>
>> >
>> > I had to shoot an ILS on the second flight to get back into my home
>> > airport
>> > and found using the EFIS with the OBS just under it.
>> >
>> > You mean 2nd flight after installing the EFIS, I hope?
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste@danvilletelco.net>
I like the looks of the BMA Lite G3 also . . . but they have yet to ship a
one . . . I'll let some else buy the first batch and get the bugs out!
Regards,
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <brucem@att.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dynon EFIS
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net
>
> Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3
(www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder,
plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map.
All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If
you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is
required.
>
> FWIW, Bruce McGregor
>
> do not archive
>
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> Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3
(www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder,
plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map.
All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If
you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is
required.
>
> FWIW, Bruce McGregor
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan <Rob@Logan.com>
> Scrap all the smallish displays ones
> and go for a larger one that can do split screen
http://d2av.com/ can't do split screen, but
it can do three screens...
http://d2av.com/screen/forward.gif
http://d2av.com/screen/shadows.gif
http://d2av.com/screen/tt6.gif
07.2.04 Pilot's Guide:
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/FlightLogicCertified/login.asp
newer stuff:
http://mail.d2av.com/lists/news/Message/7.html
Rob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Wayne,
What is the FastStack of which you speak? I am unable to find a reference to it.
Thanks, Eric
Time: 07:36:45 PM PST US
From: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet"
<w_sweet@comcast.net>
I have a Dynon EFIS D10A with OAT and magnetometer. <snip>
Installation was a breeze, compared to that of the GNS430, GI-106A and
PMA6000 audio panel. I would NEVER do that wiring again; FastStack
would
have made the 45 day trial by "fire" a 4 day delight.
---------------------------------
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan O'Brien" <danobrien@cox.net>
Haven't flown my Lancair ES yet, but fired up the Dynon (D10, the old
version) in the panel for the first time yesterday. I've replaced my
Attitude indicator with the Dynon, but have retained the five other
standard instruments. I couldn't be more thrilled. For the price of an RC
Allen AI, I've got an AI plus back ups for the five other instruments, plus
some extras (voltage, g meter, timer), all on a single screen. It's also
got 5 checklists which were simple to program and load. It was also simple
to update the software from my laptop. The display is bright and readable,
and my simple "garage test" (moving the panel up, down, sideways, and
banking, as if in flight) suggests that it will be GREAT. Given the
instruments newness and relative lack of experience in the field, I
personally would not rely solely on the Dynon in IMC. The company (which
seems to be "doing it right") says as much on its website. But as a
replacement for a single instrument in a systematic instrument scan, I
personally have no hesitation. I think it's a HUGE improvement over a
single mechanical electric gyro because of the additional backups. It's
reliability remains to be seen, but it is hard to imagine that a solid
state unit like this won't do better than existing mechanical electric
gyros, which do not seem to have a great track record.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
These newer EFIS's are very impressive, but I'm sort of glad those weren't
in my sights at the time I ordered the Dynon. I would have been very tempted
to get the big one or perhaps the dual and that would have meant a HUGE
(REALLY BIG) panel reconfiguration. And that would have also meant a HUGE
$$$$$ outflow; something that would not have been good.
So, no temptation is good sometimes.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Logan" <Rob@logan.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton]
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan <Rob@Logan.com>
>
> > Scrap all the smallish displays ones
> > and go for a larger one that can do split screen
>
> http://d2av.com/ can't do split screen, but
> it can do three screens...
> http://d2av.com/screen/forward.gif
> http://d2av.com/screen/shadows.gif
> http://d2av.com/screen/tt6.gif
>
> 07.2.04 Pilot's Guide:
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/FlightLogicCertified/login.asp
> newer stuff:
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| Subject: | Re: panel mounted fuses.. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
I am not sure why you want panel mounted fuses, so this may not be
something you would be interested in, but if a fuse block would work
(not panel mounted) try
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=4402
I am using these in my RV9A.
Dick Tasker
Rob Logan wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan <Rob@Logan.com>
>
>klixon 7277 breakers are $20 each
>http://www.ti.com/snc/products/controls/acb-7277.htm
>
>so when a switch is required, (lights, tube heat..)
>potter & brumfield switch/breakers seem to be
>the best option.
>
>but for items that just need wire protection
>and not a load shedding "off" option, perhaps
>fuses would be ok. Found some fuses holders
>http://www.excess-solutions.com/FUSES.HTM
>and one even with fast on terminals
>http://www.excess-solutions.com/SpecSheets/c_fiz.pdf
>but I don't see an easy way to attach a bar across a
>row of them.. Plus it would be nice if one could swap
>fuses without a screw driver.
>
>have you find a better panel mounted fuse
>holder? (or a cheap source of klixons? :-)
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> Rob
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