---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/14/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: Dynon Efis (John Schroeder) 2. 06:17 AM - Re: Installing a DAVTRON Outside Air Temp (sjhdcl@kingston.net) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: Dynon Efis (Wayne Sweet) 4. 07:45 AM - Re: Dynon Efis (Wayne Sweet) 5. 10:30 AM - Re: Fix for radio noise (Charles Heathco) 6. 01:21 PM - Re: Dynon Efis (Kevin Horton) 7. 03:38 PM - Dynon EFIS (brucem@att.net) 8. 04:14 PM - panel mounted fuses.. (Rob Logan) 9. 04:39 PM - avionics master (Rob Logan) 10. 05:17 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 11. 05:18 PM - Re: Dynon Efis (Wayne Sweet) 12. 06:26 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Maureen & Bob Christensen) 13. 07:11 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] (Rob Logan) 14. 07:48 PM - Re: Dynon Efis (Eric Schlanser) 15. 08:25 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Dan O'Brien) 16. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] (Wayne Sweet) 17. 09:00 PM - Re: panel mounted fuses.. (Richard E. Tasker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis From: "John Schroeder" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" Wayne - What do you mean by the acronym: "DA"? We have the Dynon D10A, the OAT and the magnetometer. We bought our stack from John Stark @ Stark Avionics. After seeing what those huge bundles of wires looked like (especially the Garmin Audio Panel), we thankfully admitted that it would have been a nightmare to have done it ourselves. I had been pretty confident that I could do it. We did compare prices between the Approach Hub/Cabling product and the price that John gave us to do all the interface cabling. John was cheaper by a significant amount. Garmin won't honor the warranty if you do any of the cabling yourself - according to other folks and John. Glad you got yours working. Cheers, John > I have a Dynon EFIS D10A with OAT and magnetometer. The DA and true > airspeed be very representative; DA compares well with that calculated > in my GNS430. The magnetometer did not need any correction after the > inclination was entered via the Support Program. A different program is > used for that > than that used to calibrate the heading magnetometer, both downloaded > from Dynon's website. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:28 AM PST US instrument. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing a DAVTRON Outside Air Temp instrument. From: sjhdcl@kingston.net --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net No it will read just fine. I did the same thing to my guage. Steve Kingston, Ont > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" > > > I have installed a Davtron OAT gauge 307FC - on the instrument panel. > See > A.C.S. catalogue, page 353. I would like to wire it now for mounting just > inside the inner inspection plate of the right wing (RV-9A). I would like > to cut the red/black wires for an AMP terminal block in the wing root, as > well as one additional knife/disconnect connection. > > My question. Would the two connections compromise the capability of the > instrument as well as the accuracy of the gauge? I live in Northern > Ontario. OAT is a significant question. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Jackson" > To: > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Development Expense > > >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Jackson" > >> >> >> >> When I hear that designs are fixed due to the HUGE cost of FAA >> >> certification, I don't believe it. The FAA is a bureaucracy but they >> >> respond >> >> to standard engineering documents. >> >> I disagree: check out this month's Aviation Consumer on page 20 to see > just >> how this mindset is holding us back.. >> SCott in VAncover> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:46 AM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" My airplane has over 1100 hours on it. Obviously 2nd flight after installing the EFIS. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Talbot" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard Talbot" > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" > > > I had to shoot an ILS on the second flight to get back into my home > airport > and found using the EFIS with the OBS just under it. > > You mean 2nd flight after installing the EFIS, I hope? > > Richard > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 679 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:12 AM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" John, DA is density altitude, which is displayed on the left side, if it's configured that way. Depends on where you purchase the GARMIN whatever. Chief Aircraft said they could not sell me a GNS430 without installation. I bought mine on eBay and called Garmin asking about the warrantee. They did not have a problem with me installing it and would honor the 22 months remaining on the warrantee. However, PS-Engineering would not honor their warrantee without supplying the pilot/copilot harness. I purchase those from them, all 8 wires; the interesting part was the interface with my two NAV/COM, GNS430 GPS and existing marker beacons. The terminology used in the wiring diagrams is a bit confusing and that I had to make calls to get clarified. All in all, not an enjoyable experience. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schroeder" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" > > > Wayne - > > What do you mean by the acronym: "DA"? We have the Dynon D10A, the OAT > and the magnetometer. > > We bought our stack from John Stark @ Stark Avionics. After seeing what > those huge bundles of wires looked like (especially the Garmin Audio > Panel), we thankfully admitted that it would have been a nightmare to have > done it ourselves. I had been pretty confident that I could do it. We did > compare prices between the Approach Hub/Cabling product and the price that > John gave us to do all the interface cabling. John was cheaper by a > significant amount. Garmin won't honor the warranty if you do any of the > cabling yourself - according to other folks and John. > > Glad you got yours working. > > Cheers, > > John > >> I have a Dynon EFIS D10A with OAT and magnetometer. The DA and true >> airspeed be very representative; DA compares well with that calculated >> in my GNS430. The magnetometer did not need any correction after the >> inclination was entered via the Support Program. A different program is >> used for that >> than that used to calibrate the heading magnetometer, both downloaded >> from Dynon's website. > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 679 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:12 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Fix for radio noise --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" I thought I would post the results of noise fix. I installed both mag filters. (tedious) and fixed the noise. charlie heathco ATL. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:09 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton You are still way braver than I am, unless your previous attitude indicator, ASI and altimeter were still installed, in their original panel locations. I plan to have quite a few hours on my Dynon EFIS in VMC conditions before I venture into the clouds. You obviously got away with it, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea for other people to head off into the clouds until they have had lots of time getting used to the EFIS presentation, and have enough hours on it to confirm that it is working properly. Don't take it personally - I just thought it was worth a comment. We all want to decrease the accident rate of homebuilt aircraft, and that means we need to be very thoughtful about which risks are worth taking. Kevin Horton >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" > >My airplane has over 1100 hours on it. Obviously 2nd flight after installing >the EFIS. >Wayne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Talbot" >To: >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard Talbot" > > > > > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" > > > > > > I had to shoot an ILS on the second flight to get back into my home > > airport > > and found using the EFIS with the OBS just under it. > > > > You mean 2nd flight after installing the EFIS, I hope? > > > > Richard > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:16 PM PST US From: brucem@att.net Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dynon EFIS --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. FWIW, Bruce McGregor do not archive Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. FWIW, Bruce McGregor do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:10 PM PST US From: Rob Logan Subject: AeroElectric-List: panel mounted fuses.. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan klixon 7277 breakers are $20 each http://www.ti.com/snc/products/controls/acb-7277.htm so when a switch is required, (lights, tube heat..) potter & brumfield switch/breakers seem to be the best option. but for items that just need wire protection and not a load shedding "off" option, perhaps fuses would be ok. Found some fuses holders http://www.excess-solutions.com/FUSES.HTM and one even with fast on terminals http://www.excess-solutions.com/SpecSheets/c_fiz.pdf but I don't see an easy way to attach a bar across a row of them.. Plus it would be nice if one could swap fuses without a screw driver. have you find a better panel mounted fuse holder? (or a cheap source of klixons? :-) Rob ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:34 PM PST US From: Rob Logan Subject: AeroElectric-List: avionics master --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan there are some items that don't have power buttons and one doesn't want on when you are trying to start the plane... in my case http://rob.com/lancair/Others/woody/2005.01/mahar-gp4-03-011205.pdf things like: FPD MFD AHRS T&B ALTRAK XPNDR ENCODER WSI WX500 so this is a perfect case for an avionics master.. as much as I hid in the lancair world http://lancair.net/lists/lml/ I must admit to having heard of this group and its distain for the avionics master switch... after some research it seemed to focus on "single point of failure" of the switch or relay feed. so what about two potter & brumfield switch/breakers to feed the avionics buss bar? this way either could feed the bar in the event the first failed. wouldn't that solve the single failure point and remove 9 switches for each thing on the avionics buss? Rob ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:53 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon EFIS --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Scrap all the smallish displays ones and go for a larger one that can do split screen like GRT's EFIS which can also display engine and moving map info as well as slick PFD data. http://www.grtavionics.com/efis_horizond_series_1.htm Lucky -------------- Original message -------------- > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net > > Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 > (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, > plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All > this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you > connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. > > FWIW, Bruce McGregor > > do not archive > > > > > > Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 > (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus > OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this > costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect > to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. > > FWIW, Bruce McGregor > > do not archive > > > > > > > Scrap all the smallish displays ones and go for a larger one that can do split screen like GRT's EFIS which can also display engine and moving map info as well as slick PFD data. http://www.grtavionics.com/efis_horizond_series_1.htm Lucky -------------- Original message -------------- -- AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. FWIW, Bruce McGregor do not archive Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav he ad, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. FWIW, Bruce McGregor do not archive AQ/AeroElectric-List.htm ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:15 PM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" Understand Kevin; I have 1100 hours in my MustangII and 5000 hours instructing from primary to multi-engine instrument (had a student who got both at the same time). This is just to put my seemingly reckless attitude in perspective. The EFIS replaced both "steam" gages, AI, and DG. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > > You are still way braver than I am, unless your previous attitude > indicator, ASI and altimeter were still installed, in their original panel > locations. I plan to have quite a few hours on my Dynon EFIS in VMC > conditions before I venture into the clouds. You obviously got away with > it, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea for other people to head > off into the clouds until they have had lots of time getting used to the > EFIS presentation, and have enough hours on it to confirm that it is > working properly. > > Don't take it personally - I just thought it was worth a comment. We all > want to decrease the accident rate of homebuilt aircraft, and that means > we > need to be very thoughtful about which risks are worth taking. > > Kevin Horton > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" >> >> >>My airplane has over 1100 hours on it. Obviously 2nd flight after >>installing >>the EFIS. >>Wayne >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Richard Talbot" >>To: >>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis >> >> >> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard Talbot" >> > >> > >> > >> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" >> > >> > >> > I had to shoot an ILS on the second flight to get back into my home >> > airport >> > and found using the EFIS with the OBS just under it. >> > >> > You mean 2nd flight after installing the EFIS, I hope? >> > >> > Richard >> > >> > >> > > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 683 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:49 PM PST US From: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon EFIS --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" I like the looks of the BMA Lite G3 also . . . but they have yet to ship a one . . . I'll let some else buy the first batch and get the bugs out! Regards, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dynon EFIS > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: brucem@att.net > > Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. > > FWIW, Bruce McGregor > > do not archive > > > > > > Take a look at the revised Blue Mountain EFIS Lite G3 (www.bluemountainavionics.com). It provides the Dynon air data and encoder, plus OBS/CDI as a nav head, plus a built-in GPS receiver with moving map. All this costs about half of the Dynon+VOR head+VFR GPS combined prices. If you connect to a Garmin GNS 480, a two wire digital cable is all that is required. > > FWIW, Bruce McGregor > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:27 PM PST US From: Rob Logan Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan > Scrap all the smallish displays ones > and go for a larger one that can do split screen http://d2av.com/ can't do split screen, but it can do three screens... http://d2av.com/screen/forward.gif http://d2av.com/screen/shadows.gif http://d2av.com/screen/tt6.gif 07.2.04 Pilot's Guide: http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/FlightLogicCertified/login.asp newer stuff: http://mail.d2av.com/lists/news/Message/7.html Rob ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:15 PM PST US From: Eric Schlanser Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser Wayne, What is the FastStack of which you speak? I am unable to find a reference to it. Thanks, Eric Time: 07:36:45 PM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon Efis --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" I have a Dynon EFIS D10A with OAT and magnetometer. Installation was a breeze, compared to that of the GNS430, GI-106A and PMA6000 audio panel. I would NEVER do that wiring again; FastStack would have made the 45 day trial by "fire" a 4 day delight. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:51 PM PST US From: "Dan O'Brien" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dynon EFIS --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan O'Brien" Haven't flown my Lancair ES yet, but fired up the Dynon (D10, the old version) in the panel for the first time yesterday. I've replaced my Attitude indicator with the Dynon, but have retained the five other standard instruments. I couldn't be more thrilled. For the price of an RC Allen AI, I've got an AI plus back ups for the five other instruments, plus some extras (voltage, g meter, timer), all on a single screen. It's also got 5 checklists which were simple to program and load. It was also simple to update the software from my laptop. The display is bright and readable, and my simple "garage test" (moving the panel up, down, sideways, and banking, as if in flight) suggests that it will be GREAT. Given the instruments newness and relative lack of experience in the field, I personally would not rely solely on the Dynon in IMC. The company (which seems to be "doing it right") says as much on its website. But as a replacement for a single instrument in a systematic instrument scan, I personally have no hesitation. I think it's a HUGE improvement over a single mechanical electric gyro because of the additional backups. It's reliability remains to be seen, but it is hard to imagine that a solid state unit like this won't do better than existing mechanical electric gyros, which do not seem to have a great track record. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:34 PM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" These newer EFIS's are very impressive, but I'm sort of glad those weren't in my sights at the time I ordered the Dynon. I would have been very tempted to get the big one or perhaps the dual and that would have meant a HUGE (REALLY BIG) panel reconfiguration. And that would have also meant a HUGE $$$$$ outflow; something that would not have been good. So, no temptation is good sometimes. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Logan" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dynon EFIS [Chelton] > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan > > > Scrap all the smallish displays ones > > and go for a larger one that can do split screen > > http://d2av.com/ can't do split screen, but > it can do three screens... > http://d2av.com/screen/forward.gif > http://d2av.com/screen/shadows.gif > http://d2av.com/screen/tt6.gif > > 07.2.04 Pilot's Guide: > http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/FlightLogicCertified/login.asp > newer stuff: > http://mail.d2av.com/lists/news/Message/7.html > > Rob > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 688 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:50 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: panel mounted fuses.. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" I am not sure why you want panel mounted fuses, so this may not be something you would be interested in, but if a fuse block would work (not panel mounted) try https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=4402 I am using these in my RV9A. Dick Tasker Rob Logan wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rob Logan > >klixon 7277 breakers are $20 each >http://www.ti.com/snc/products/controls/acb-7277.htm > >so when a switch is required, (lights, tube heat..) >potter & brumfield switch/breakers seem to be >the best option. > >but for items that just need wire protection >and not a load shedding "off" option, perhaps >fuses would be ok. Found some fuses holders >http://www.excess-solutions.com/FUSES.HTM >and one even with fast on terminals >http://www.excess-solutions.com/SpecSheets/c_fiz.pdf >but I don't see an easy way to attach a bar across a >row of them.. Plus it would be nice if one could swap >fuses without a screw driver. > >have you find a better panel mounted fuse >holder? (or a cheap source of klixons? :-) > > > Rob > > > >