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1. 06:26 AM - List: Hall effect sensor (Glen Matejcek)
2. 01:32 PM - Re: Open letter to the list (Eric Ruttan)
3. 02:51 PM - Re: Open letter to the list (Jeremy Davey)
4. 05:58 PM - Re: Open letter to the list (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Thanks Brian!
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Open letter to the list |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric Ruttan" <ericruttan@chartermi.net>
I have deep respect for Bob.
I dont care what he likes or what he drinks or his "family values". I dont
care about where he works, or what he does, or how he does it. I dont care
if he makes tones of money or gives away advice for free.
I care how he thinks. It is rigrous, vigrous, and unflinching persuit of
facts. That is what I respect.
He does have a jedi like "simple ideas" mantra. I like that, but thats not
respect.
I see people like yourself, and perhaps less qualified others challange
aspects or entire ideas that have been presented through Aeroelectric. And
I already know what the response wil be.
Why would you do that?
What are you trying to fix/solve?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Messinger" <paulm@olypen.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Open letter to the list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Messinger"
<paulm@olypen.com>
>
> I have been a follower of the Aeroelectric Connection for 10+ years.
>
> Bob has contributed more to experimental aviation electrical systems
design
> etc ( in my opinion) than ALL the rest of those pundits who would try to
> educate builders in electrical systems design.
>
> Many of us are in awe of how much Bob produces and still has time for a
Job,
> not to mention the width and depth of his knowledge.
>
> But, I and other equally experienced electrical and electronic engineers
> have some concerns with some of the positions and recommendations of the
> Aeroelectric connection web site as well as this list.
>
> I firmly believe that alternate solutions exist and should be given a fair
> and unbiased discussion as there are always more than one good solution to
> most every problem. While its great to have firm opinions not all of us
> agree with each other and a well done technical vs. opinion discussion is
> helpful.
>
> These discussions should end with agreement that the others opinion has
> passed technical merit and is a reasonable alternative. Today most of the
> time its "my or no way" or lets overwhelm the discussion with verbose
> responses until the discussion is overwhelmed with factoids not always
> relevant.
>
> During the past few years I have noticed that, on occasion, some one posts
> an alternate solution and is slapped down with a comment like "why would
you
> want to do that" etc. The result is that person typically decides not to
> follow up and others decide not to voice their alternant opinions in fear
of
> being slapped at. I do not think the response was intended to be harsh,
just
> a request for basis of that position but it comes across much harder and
the
> result is much discussion is suppressed.
>
> Its now gotten to the point that many different positions are not even
being
> posted. I know as many post to me privately to get my opinion.
>
> I have come up with a list of subjects and concerns where I and my
> associates disagree with the "official" position of Aeroelectric
Connection
> in that there are pros and cons that might suggest that at least some of
the
> time a different concept is preferred.
>
> This list will be a separate post soon.
>
> With the greatest admiration and respect to Bob.
>
> Paul
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| Subject: | Open letter to the list |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hear, hear! I have the utmost admiration for the way Bob approaches ideas on
this list - like a scientist, where facts are God, and mere opinions are, by
their very nature, unproven, even if they are expert opinions.
I want to build something that is safe to fly. To date, I have found that
Bob's approach gives me the best chance of doing that. I understand and
respect why he asks: "Why would you do that? What are you trying to
fix/solve?"
It is imperative on all of us that we understand Bob's approach is that of
the scientist, not the dictator. When a scientist's approach is questioned,
that is a good thing. A good scientist relishes the opportunity to test his
thinking and demonstrate its veracity. A poor scientist reacts emotionally
and accuses others of rubbishing his work. A good scientist accepts that he
is sometimes wrong and holds his hand up when it is so demonstrated by
others. A poor scientist attempts to defend the indefensible. A good
scientist recognises that acknowledging error leads to greater truth, and
does not harm reputation. A poor scientist denies his ability to err, and
destroys his reputation by doing so.
There is no place for emotion in Bob's approach. Nor should there be. Only
for truth.
As for myself, I do not have the experience or knowledge to determine which
approach is best. I rely on those like Bob to guide me in selecting the
safest. I identify them by their need to ask: "Why would you do that?"
Carry on, Bob, youre doing a first class job, in my opinion (but please see
caveat above! :-) ).
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1250 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Ruttan
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Open letter to the list
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric Ruttan"
<ericruttan@chartermi.net>
I have deep respect for Bob.
I dont care what he likes or what he drinks or his "family values". I dont
care about where he works, or what he does, or how he does it. I dont care
if he makes tones of money or gives away advice for free.
I care how he thinks. It is rigrous, vigrous, and unflinching persuit of
facts. That is what I respect.
He does have a jedi like "simple ideas" mantra. I like that, but thats not
respect.
I see people like yourself, and perhaps less qualified others challange
aspects or entire ideas that have been presented through Aeroelectric. And
I already know what the response wil be.
Why would you do that?
What are you trying to fix/solve?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Messinger" <paulm@olypen.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Open letter to the list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Messinger"
<paulm@olypen.com>
>
> I have been a follower of the Aeroelectric Connection for 10+ years.
>
> Bob has contributed more to experimental aviation electrical systems
design
> etc ( in my opinion) than ALL the rest of those pundits who would try to
> educate builders in electrical systems design.
>
> Many of us are in awe of how much Bob produces and still has time for a
Job,
> not to mention the width and depth of his knowledge.
>
> But, I and other equally experienced electrical and electronic engineers
> have some concerns with some of the positions and recommendations of the
> Aeroelectric connection web site as well as this list.
>
> I firmly believe that alternate solutions exist and should be given a fair
> and unbiased discussion as there are always more than one good solution to
> most every problem. While its great to have firm opinions not all of us
> agree with each other and a well done technical vs. opinion discussion is
> helpful.
>
> These discussions should end with agreement that the others opinion has
> passed technical merit and is a reasonable alternative. Today most of the
> time its "my or no way" or lets overwhelm the discussion with verbose
> responses until the discussion is overwhelmed with factoids not always
> relevant.
>
> During the past few years I have noticed that, on occasion, some one posts
> an alternate solution and is slapped down with a comment like "why would
you
> want to do that" etc. The result is that person typically decides not to
> follow up and others decide not to voice their alternant opinions in fear
of
> being slapped at. I do not think the response was intended to be harsh,
just
> a request for basis of that position but it comes across much harder and
the
> result is much discussion is suppressed.
>
> Its now gotten to the point that many different positions are not even
being
> posted. I know as many post to me privately to get my opinion.
>
> I have come up with a list of subjects and concerns where I and my
> associates disagree with the "official" position of Aeroelectric
Connection
> in that there are pros and cons that might suggest that at least some of
the
> time a different concept is preferred.
>
> This list will be a separate post soon.
>
> With the greatest admiration and respect to Bob.
>
> Paul
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> But, I and other equally experienced electrical and electronic engineers
> have some concerns with some of the positions and recommendations of the
> Aeroelectric connection web site as well as this list.
>>>>>
As well do theologians, politicians, and scientists of any vein have of their
particular pursuits. This is how we naturally select. In my minds' eye I
see a pair of sharp eyes in Kansas above a gray beard rubbing his palms
together, ready to attack the keyboard. Have at it folks, we all win in this contest-
stay tuned; should be entertaining, educational, and verrrrrrryyy
eenterrestink..........
Mark do not archive
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