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1. 02:59 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (AI Nut)
2. 04:14 AM - Re: Dr. Dee's Milestone reached!! (Chuck Jensen)
3. 04:28 AM - Re: Sudden Failure (William Bernard)
4. 04:39 AM - Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV ()
5. 05:00 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (LarryRobertHelming)
6. 05:18 AM - Re: Sudden Failure (Ken)
7. 05:42 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (Ed Anderson)
8. 07:31 AM - Re: Dr. Dee's Milestone reached!! (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: Avionics breaker (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: Sudden Failure (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 08:22 AM - Re: Sudden Failure (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 08:24 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Mickey Coggins)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (Steve Thomas)
14. 09:23 AM - Rolled my email address . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 09:28 AM - Re: Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV (Mark R Steitle)
16. 09:37 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Mike Larkin)
17. 10:38 AM - Re: Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV (John Schroeder)
18. 11:10 AM - RAC servo and Landing light - wiring help please (Paul Weismann)
19. 11:41 AM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Eric M. Jones)
20. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Chuck Jensen)
21. 12:50 PM - Re: RAC servo and Landing light - wiring (Donald Garcia)
22. 12:52 PM - (no subject) (TSaccio@aol.com)
23. 01:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
24. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Terry Watson)
25. 02:25 PM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (John Schroeder)
26. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (B Tomm)
27. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
28. 03:42 PM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (Leo Corbalis)
29. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Leo Corbalis)
30. 04:26 PM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (Matt Prather)
31. 06:08 PM - Re: RAC servo and Landing light - wiring help please (Jim Stone)
32. 06:10 PM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters (Rico Voss)
33. 06:45 PM - S.O.S. Kiez! Polizei schlaegt Alarm (bob.nuckolls@cox.net)
34. 07:07 PM - GI-106A Back Course ()
35. 07:46 PM - Re: GI-106A Back Course (Paul Folbrecht)
36. 07:57 PM - Re: GI-106A Back Course (BobsV35B@aol.com)
37. 08:37 PM - Re: GI-106A Back Course (Paul Folbrecht)
38. 08:42 PM - Re: GI-106A Back Course (BobsV35B@aol.com)
39. 09:03 PM - Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
40. 09:27 PM - Re: GI-106A Back Course (Matt Prather)
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Nearly EVERYthing one gets that was made in China is pure junk. And I
don't mean just the boats, either.
And don't forget they are still killing Americans (and others) with
impunity.
Rico Voss wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
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>
>
>
>>Buy a cheap digital multimeter from Harbor Freight.
>>
>>
>
>My curiosity has overcome me.
>I bought one of those famous HarborFreight multimeters,
>made in China. I've found, however that voltage readings
>are affected significantly by whether the display is
>exposed to bright light.
>
>Any comments or explanations welcome (other than "you get
>what you pay for")
>
>Richard, Zenith XL
>do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dr. Dee's Milestone reached!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Heck, I suspect she could stay pretty busy on this list....
Congrats Bob. I'm guessing her graduation brings you more pride and satisfaction
than the best, simplest and most elegant circuit you've ever designed. Well
done.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Earl_Schroeder
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dr. Dee's Milestone reached!!
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Earl_Schroeder <Earl_Schroeder@juno.com>
Hi Bob,
Hmmm, maybe Ms Dee could start a psychologyAdvice-list?? All kidding
aside, pass on my congratulations!! Earl
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <b.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>I've been preoccupied with dozens of relatives and more dozens
>of friends for the past several days. We've gathered to observe
>Dee's graduation with her PhD in community/clinical psychology.
>
>It's been a long haul . . . about 15 years but she's stayed the
>course and walked in Saturday's graduation ceremonies at WSU.
>I'll need a couple more days to recover from wall-to-wall
>relatives and sundry gatherings
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sudden Failure |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
I don't believe it is a switch problem for the simple reason that three
switches would all have to die suddenly. The master would produce the clicks
from the master contacter, but when the switch that turns on the e-buss was
turned on, nothing happened either. Also, there is a power light on the
electronic ignition circuit and the powe comes directly from the battery.
That circuit was dead also.
Replacing the battery corrected all the problems.
I just wonder if there is a way to prevent a recurrence.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sudden Failure
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
<leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Buy a cheap digital multimeter from Harbor Freight. You can then make
> measurements and think. Then fix the broken part. Put a diode (1N4004)
> across the coil of all relays, solonoids and contactors. I know the 1N4004
> is "overkill" but I replaced plenty of 1N4001 s and never had a recall on
24
> volt systems. The master switch is prpbably fried, as a guess. Reading the
> voltage drop across the closed switch will tell all (almost). If you screw
> up by having the meter on the wrong range, the worst thing you can do is
> blow the fuse in the amp circuit. It's easily replaced. Meters with a
needle
> can wrap the needle 3 times around the high end (slight exageration I only
> got 2 turns).
>
> Leo Corbalis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert McCallum" <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sudden Failure
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum
> > <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Bill;
> >
> > If the master contactor clicks "sometimes" it's unlikely the battery.
> > The battery either has enough voltage to pull in the contactor or it
> > doesn't. It's not a "sometimes" or random thing. It is more likely a
> > master switch failure. This can be a sometimes thing, making contact on
> > one closure but not the next time. While you were flying it was working
> > but now you've turned it off it is not now reliably closing every time.
> > Not necessarily the answer but batteries don't work intermittently while
> > switches sometimes do.
> >
> > Bob McC
> >
> > William Bernard wrote:
> >
> >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> >><billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >>
> >>Hi all: I had an interesting situation yesterday afternoon, fortunately
on
> >>the ground.
> >>
> >>I had completed a flight to another airport and when I went to start the
> >>aircraft for the return tirp, there was no electricity. The trip over
had
> >>been about an hour earlier and no, I didn't leave the master switch on.
> >>
> >>The aircraft is wired using Bob's ideas with both a main and emergency
> >>buss. The single electronic ignition is wired directly from a battery
> >>buss. Nothing worked although the master contactor would click
sometimes.
> >>It sounds like a classic dead battery, but the battery is only 2 1/2 - 3
> >>years old and is an RG type. There has been no obvious signs of
impending
> >>failure.
> >>
> >>I plan to replace the battery, but I wondered if anyone had any thoughts
> >>as to what the problem might be and how to prevent a recurrence.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "John Schroeder"
<jschroeder@perigee.net>
<<.....skip......Another point that he made, and it is clear in the SL-30
manuals, is that
the OBS, can't be switched between the SL-30 and any other VOR/ILS box
without recalibrating the SL-30 interface with the OBS every time it is
switched back to the SL-30.....skip....>>
5/16/2005
Hello John, This is not consistent with my experience. Maybe the SL-30
manual is wrong or misleading. Can you point me to which manual and where it
says that? Maybe David Buckwalter who wired my panel knows something that
neither Garmin / UPS or John Stark knows. Please see the following from a
previous post of mine. Thanks. OC
------------------ BELOW FROM A PREVIOUS POST BY OC ------------
> I encountered this same "it is not possible" information when I was having
> my panel made and found it to be untrue.
> My panel, built by David Buckwalter of Avionics Systems, consists of a GNS
> 430, an SL-30, and a GI 106A. I use a Northern Airborne RS 16-001 data
> switch to connect the three of them. I shift between the GNS 430 and the
> SL-30 with a lighted push button switch. One half labeled GNS 430 and the
> other half labeled SL-30. Every push of the switch cycles from one to the
> other.
>
> On the GI 106A there are three lights: NAV, VOR/LOC, and GPS. When the NAV
> light is lit I am feeding the CDI from the SL-30. When either the VOR/LOC
> or
> GPS light is lit I am feeding the CDI from the GNS 430. To shift between
> VOR/LOC or GPS I push the CDI button on the face of the GNS 430.
>
> Everything works perfectly (Thanks, David). When flying ILS approaches I
> frequently use the SL-30 set up on the localizer and glidescope and use
> the
> GNS 430 for mileage and big picture information.
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Scary............ Just think, I just finished building a very nice RV7
using several "pure junk" tools from HF. And it does not fall out of the
sky and crash. The "junk" tools are priced so low below what union
manufacturers in the US can make them far that our unions and workers are
doomed to be out of business in a few years. I wonder everytime I buy a
product to look at the label that shows where it was manufactured. Not
surprisingly, many times it says China. I don't try to buy China products
on purpose. 40 years ago these best-value things all said made in Japan.
With the air quality, water quality, and what not laws we have now over US
manufacturing, it is a wonder we can profitably produce anything in a
competitive world. Well, I produced an airplane with HF tools. I guess
that says something about using HF tools..........do not archive
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
----- Original Message ----- >
> Nearly EVERYthing one gets that was made in China is pure junk. And I
> don't mean just the boats, either.
> And don't forget they are still killing Americans (and others) with
> impunity.
>
>
> Rico Voss wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Buy a cheap digital multimeter from Harbor Freight.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>My curiosity has overcome me.
>>I bought one of those famous HarborFreight multimeters,
>>made in China. I've found, however that voltage readings
>>are affected significantly by whether the display is
>>exposed to bright light.
>>
>>Any comments or explanations welcome (other than "you get
>>what you pay for")
>>
>>Richard, Zenith XL
>>do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sudden Failure |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Yup this is similar to what I call open circuit failure in automotive
batteries. It will supply a few amps but nothing more. My guess is that
it is somewhat variable depending on how much electrolyte vs. gas is in
the vicinity of the break as you can usually hear hissing when charging
or discharging. Had a run of several such failures once and none since
changing brands but again these were flooded cell batteries.
Ken
William Bernard wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
>I don't believe it is a switch problem for the simple reason that three
>switches would all have to die suddenly. The master would produce the clicks
>from the master contacter, but when the switch that turns on the e-buss was
>turned on, nothing happened either. Also, there is a power light on the
>electronic ignition circuit and the powe comes directly from the battery.
>That circuit was dead also.
>
>Replacing the battery corrected all the problems.
>
>I just wonder if there is a way to prevent a recurrence.
>
>Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
My experience with HF tools is the same. I have one major tool that I
purchased American-made and the rest are Chinese - guess which tool does not
work. I've had a Chinese metal band saw (cut-off) for over 30 years, a wood
band saw made of iron castings rather than plastic (25+ years old), sanders,
air tools, etc. I've abused these tools and they continue to work - never
even had to replace a single component.
Its not that I would not pay more $$ for American-made - but my experience
is you pay more money and get inferior tools. For the price I paid for the
Chinese tools I was prepared (expecting) to have to throw them away after 10
years or so, but that has not turned out to be the case. Cast iron seems to
last longer than plastic.
Now if you a lot of $$ then perhaps the top of line American made tools are
still top quality - but, I simply can not afford the top of the line.
FWIW
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
> <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> Scary............ Just think, I just finished building a very nice RV7
> using several "pure junk" tools from HF. And it does not fall out of the
> sky and crash. The "junk" tools are priced so low below what union
> manufacturers in the US can make them far that our unions and workers are
> doomed to be out of business in a few years. I wonder everytime I buy a
> product to look at the label that shows where it was manufactured. Not
> surprisingly, many times it says China. I don't try to buy China products
> on purpose. 40 years ago these best-value things all said made in Japan.
> With the air quality, water quality, and what not laws we have now over US
> manufacturing, it is a wonder we can profitably produce anything in a
> competitive world. Well, I produced an airplane with HF tools. I guess
> that says something about using HF tools..........do not archive
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> Nearly EVERYthing one gets that was made in China is pure junk. And I
>> don't mean just the boats, either.
>> And don't forget they are still killing Americans (and others) with
>> impunity.
>>
>>
>> Rico Voss wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Buy a cheap digital multimeter from Harbor Freight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>My curiosity has overcome me.
>>>I bought one of those famous HarborFreight multimeters,
>>>made in China. I've found, however that voltage readings
>>>are affected significantly by whether the display is
>>>exposed to bright light.
>>>
>>>Any comments or explanations welcome (other than "you get
>>>what you pay for")
>>>
>>>Richard, Zenith XL
>>>do not archive
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dr. Dee's Milestone reached!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:10 AM 5/16/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>
>Heck, I suspect she could stay pretty busy on this list....
>
>Congrats Bob. I'm guessing her graduation brings you more pride and
>satisfaction than the best, simplest and most elegant circuit you've ever
>designed.
You got that right!
> Well done.
Thank you . . . from both of us.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics breaker |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 09:18 AM 5/14/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
>
>My flying Glastar has a "conventional" electrical system with an avionics
>master switch and solenoid. I guess for fault tolerance reasons there is
>also a separate "aux avionics switch" with a separate breaker that can
>bypass the avionics solenoid and feed the avionics bus directly.
>
>This seems to add a level of complexity that provides very little if any
>benefit. There are only three pieces of avionics, a GNC250XL(10A), a
>GTX320(3A) and an intercom(1A). The aux avionics breaker is 15 Amps.
>
>As they say "if it ain't broke don't fix it". In this case I'm not trying
>to fix it, I'm trying to add a Trutrak autopilot and I'm trying to figure
>out the best way to wire in the power. The quickest would be to feed it
>separately from the main bus and not use the avionics bus. The most
>complex would be to re-wire the entire plane using a Z-drawing type
>configuration. I'm looking for a in-between solution, preferably closer to
>the first idea.
the only difference between what you describe and what I've recommended
in the z-figures is where the alternate power feed for the endurance
(avionics) bus comes from. I prefer to take it right from the battery
bus . . . and then move a few useful items like minimal panel lighting,
turn coordinator and perhaps a voltmeter to the endurance bus.
your autopilot could run from the endurance bus nicely . . . I think
I'd add a no-feedback diode into the normal feedpath and move the second
feedpath to the battery. The "aux avionics" breaker could move to the
battery bus and you could use miniature contactor (relay) to support
the larger than normal aux feed path. See figure Z-32.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sudden Failure |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:56 AM 5/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
><billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Hi all: I had an interesting situation yesterday afternoon, fortunately on
>the ground.
>
>I had completed a flight to another airport and when I went to start the
>aircraft for the return tirp, there was no electricity. The trip over had
>been about an hour earlier and no, I didn't leave the master switch on.
>
>The aircraft is wired using Bob's ideas with both a main and emergency
>buss. The single electronic ignition is wired directly from a battery
>buss. Nothing worked although the master contactor would click sometimes.
>It sounds like a classic dead battery, but the battery is only 2 1/2 - 3
>years old and is an RG type. There has been no obvious signs of impending
>failure.
>
>I plan to replace the battery, but I wondered if anyone had any thoughts
>as to what the problem might be and how to prevent a recurrence.
You say "sometimes" . . . on times that it DID click, did the
system come up? Were you able to start the engine? How did you
get the airplane home or is it stuck on the other airport.
If your battery started the airplane earlier that day, it's
far from DEAD. If the contactor made no noise at all, the
most likely problem is the battery-master side of your
DC POWER MASTER switch. Do you have a diode across the
coil of the battery contactor as illustrated in:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/s701-1l.jpg
If not, then the contactor's de-energizing spike
may have burned the contacts of the master switch
so as to make it unreliable. Replacement of the switch
and ADDITION of the diode would be indicated.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sudden Failure |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:30 AM 5/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
><billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
>I don't believe it is a switch problem for the simple reason that three
>switches would all have to die suddenly. The master would produce the clicks
>from the master contacter, but when the switch that turns on the e-buss was
>turned on, nothing happened either. Also, there is a power light on the
>electronic ignition circuit and the powe comes directly from the battery.
>That circuit was dead also.
>
>Replacing the battery corrected all the problems.
>
>I just wonder if there is a way to prevent a recurrence.
Yes, periodic cap testing of your battery . . . or some
other considered preventative maintenance program. I think
you mentioned that the battery was several years old.
95% of the time, my "sudden" failures of batteries in
my vehicles was a loose post on the battery. Several
years ago, I did have a flooded battery behave as you've
described. Got in the car at store 2 miles away and it
started right up. Ten minutes after arriving home, I
identified another procurement task and the car wouldn't
start. Battery refused to carry even 8A worth of headlamp
loads. I stuck one of my 32 a.h. RG instrumentation batteries
in and drove to the parts store to buy a new battery for
the van. This battery was several years old too . . . more
than 3 and probably less than 5.
Do you still have the old battery? Are you SURE that the
problem wasn't a poor connection at the battery post?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Off-Topic rant below - please DELETE ASAP!!!
.RantStart
You are right. Thank heaven for the WTO protecting
corporations' rights to move their production wherever
they can find cheap workers and weak environmental
regulations.
Now these underdog multinationals can stop having to
worry about those pesky environmental and labor laws
we've developed over the last 100 years or so.
They can also stop worrying about annoying, boring,
old documents, like the US Constitution, since the WTO
rules supersede them in issues of trade.
Therefore, thanks to the WTO, those quaint local governments,
like the US Congress, can not pass a law restricting
imports of products that were made in sweatshops with
essentially slave labor while dumping poisonous toxins
into the oceans. This of course assumes that our
congress-critters' corporate masters would allow such a
law to be introduced.
The WTO is just one of the many tools we hard-core
capitalists are using to exert our control over the
wimpy, whining, weak, sheeple of the world.
.Insert EvilLaugh.mp3
.RantStop
Personally, I go to Harbor Freight only as a last resort,
since everything there is made in China. Often, Sears
has a "Made in USA" version of a tool, but at twice
the price. I buy it anyway. It has become harder and
harder to find *anything* that is not made in China.
It's the same problem here in Europe. It seems like
the world has decided that China will be our manufacturing
region.
Just like Japan in the 70s, the quality starts out being
abysmal, but eventually becomes world class. Once all the
"cheap" Japanese workers were absorbed, and their wages
caught up, they lost their cost advantage. One big difference
with China is that its population is 10x the size of Japan.
It might take some time for the world to absorb all those
30 dollar a month workers. Oh well, at least we still
have to make hamburgers locally.
Mickey
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> Scary............ Just think, I just finished building a very nice RV7
> using several "pure junk" tools from HF. And it does not fall out of the
> sky and crash. The "junk" tools are priced so low below what union
> manufacturers in the US can make them far that our unions and workers are
> doomed to be out of business in a few years. I wonder everytime I buy a
> product to look at the label that shows where it was manufactured. Not
> surprisingly, many times it says China. I don't try to buy China products
> on purpose. 40 years ago these best-value things all said made in Japan.
> With the air quality, water quality, and what not laws we have now over US
> manufacturing, it is a wonder we can profitably produce anything in a
> competitive world. Well, I produced an airplane with HF tools. I guess
> that says something about using HF tools..........do not archive
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>
>>Nearly EVERYthing one gets that was made in China is pure junk. And I
>>don't mean just the boats, either.
>>And don't forget they are still killing Americans (and others) with
>>impunity.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
Hello AI,
Monday, May 16, 2005, 2:56:43 AM, you wrote:
AN> Nearly EVERYthing one gets that was made in China is pure junk. And I
AN> don't mean just the boats, either.
AN> And don't forget they are still killing Americans (and others) with
AN> impunity.
Woa! Don't forget that just about every piece of computer equipment
that you buy is made in China. That includes companies like Dell, HP,
Gateway, Apple, and most of the rest. I also have several HF tools
that work just fine. And, this country was built on free enterprise
and competition. If we want to survive, it will be through innovation
and hard competition, not through complaining that jobs are being
"lost" for whatever reason.
--
Best regards,
Steve mailto:lists@stevet.net.nospam
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| Subject: | Rolled my email address . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
A quick note to those who have used b.nuckolls@cox.net for my direct
email address, please note that account has been closed. Somebody
"spoofed" that address and used it to mail gazillions of virii loaded
messages . . . I was getting a great many notes from upset targets and
outraged ISP providers that were filtering my supposed messages.
For the time being, my email for the AeroElectric-List only will
be nuckollsr@cox.net.
do not archive
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Mark,
I think Blue Mountain Avionics is typically abbreviated BMA, not BM.
;-)
The bottom-of-the-line model is their Lite, commonly referred to as the
G3.
Mark S.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Ferrell
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brett Ferrell"
<bferrell@123mail.net>
a Blue Mountain 3rd generation EFIS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sletten" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Sletten"
> <marknlisa@hometel.com>
>
> Ok, I'll bite, what's a BM G3?
>
> Mark & Lisa Sletten
> Legacy FG N828LM
> http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike Larkin" <mlas@cox.net>
I agree.........
Mike Larkin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mickey Coggins
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT
rant
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins
<mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Off-Topic rant below - please DELETE ASAP!!!
.RantStart
You are right. Thank heaven for the WTO protecting
corporations' rights to move their production wherever
they can find cheap workers and weak environmental
regulations.
Now these underdog multinationals can stop having to
worry about those pesky environmental and labor laws
we've developed over the last 100 years or so.
They can also stop worrying about annoying, boring,
old documents, like the US Constitution, since the WTO
rules supersede them in issues of trade.
Therefore, thanks to the WTO, those quaint local governments,
like the US Congress, can not pass a law restricting
imports of products that were made in sweatshops with
essentially slave labor while dumping poisonous toxins
into the oceans. This of course assumes that our
congress-critters' corporate masters would allow such a
law to be introduced.
The WTO is just one of the many tools we hard-core
capitalists are using to exert our control over the
wimpy, whining, weak, sheeple of the world.
.Insert EvilLaugh.mp3
.RantStop
Personally, I go to Harbor Freight only as a last resort,
since everything there is made in China. Often, Sears
has a "Made in USA" version of a tool, but at twice
the price. I buy it anyway. It has become harder and
harder to find *anything* that is not made in China.
It's the same problem here in Europe. It seems like
the world has decided that China will be our manufacturing
region.
Just like Japan in the 70s, the quality starts out being
abysmal, but eventually becomes world class. Once all the
"cheap" Japanese workers were absorbed, and their wages
caught up, they lost their cost advantage. One big difference
with China is that its population is 10x the size of Japan.
It might take some time for the world to absorb all those
30 dollar a month workers. Oh well, at least we still
have to make hamburgers locally.
Mickey
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
<lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> Scary............ Just think, I just finished building a very nice
RV7
> using several "pure junk" tools from HF. And it does not fall out of
the
> sky and crash. The "junk" tools are priced so low below what union
> manufacturers in the US can make them far that our unions and workers
are
> doomed to be out of business in a few years. I wonder everytime I buy
a
> product to look at the label that shows where it was manufactured.
Not
> surprisingly, many times it says China. I don't try to buy China
products
> on purpose. 40 years ago these best-value things all said made in
Japan.
> With the air quality, water quality, and what not laws we have now
over US
> manufacturing, it is a wonder we can profitably produce anything in a
> competitive world. Well, I produced an airplane with HF tools. I
guess
> that says something about using HF tools..........do not archive
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>
>>Nearly EVERYthing one gets that was made in China is pure junk. And I
>>don't mean just the boats, either.
>>And don't forget they are still killing Americans (and others) with
>>impunity.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
do not archive
--
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| Subject: | Re: Signal Sourcing for GPS/NAV |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Hello OC -
Page 34 of the Installation Manual for the SL-30 is partially quoted below:
Calibrating the Resolver Indicator Head Type
After selecting RESOLVER as the indicator head, it is necessary to
calibrate the interface between the SL30 and the resolver. The SL30 cannot
drive multiple resolvers at the same time. It is not recommended that
external resolvers he switched through a relay or other means because the
resolver must be calibrated to the radio as described in this procedure.
If multiple resolvers are desired in the installation, the primary unit
must he installed and calibrated as described here. The secondary unit
should use the composite output.
I. After selecting RESOLVER us the indicator head type, turn the large
knob to the PRESS
SEL TO CALIBRATE RESOLVER display.
2. Press SEL
3. Follow the directions on the SL30 display.
Note: The accuracy of the system is dependent on this calibration. Do not
hurry this step.
4. At the end of the setup, press ENT to store the results.
5. Cycle the power switch (enter the normal mode).
6. Tune a VOR station (any VOR frequency).
7. Press OHS button.
8. Verify that the OBS decodes properly from 0 to 360 degrees.
If the SL-30 will not accept the calibration or advances to the next
prompt when the ENT key is pressed, there may be a problem with the
resolver interface.
Hope this sheds some light on the subject.
John
> <<.....skip......Another point that he made, and it is clear in the SL-30
> manuals, is that the OBS, can't be switched between the SL-30 and any
> other VOR/ILS box
> without recalibrating the SL-30 interface with the OBS every time it is
> switched back to the SL-30.....skip....>>
>
> 5/16/2005
>
> Hello John, This is not consistent with my experience. Maybe the SL-30
> manual is wrong or misleading. Can you point me to which manual and
> where it says that? Maybe David Buckwalter who wired my panel knows
> something that neither Garmin / UPS or John Stark knows. Please see the
> following from a
> previous post of mine. Thanks. OC
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| Subject: | RAC servo and Landing light - wiring help please |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Weismann" <pw@weismannassociates.com>
Hello all,
This is my first of probably many posts. I have read many of the posts
and done searches on several issues I am having, and this is a very
valuable resource, thanks.
I am installing landing lights in a hatch under the belly of my
helicopter. The hatch is extended/retracted with an RAC servo.
My goal is to be able to:
1. flip a single toggle switch to a) turn on the lights and b)
extend the hatch to a pre-determined position.
2. once the hatch is extended, I want to be able to adjust its angle
with the coolie hat on my infinity grip in the up/down axis.
3. whatever position the hatch is in, I want the lights to switch
off and the hatch to retract once the toggle switch is flipped off.
I am assuming I will need a micro-switch or some kind of limit switch,
but if any of you gurus could point me in the right direction in terms
of circuit design, I would be extremely grateful. I am trying to learn
as much as I can about this stuff but this one is just too complex for
my laymans brain to make sense of. Any descriptions of components and
layouts would be more appreciated if they were in "beginner" language,
if you know what I mean. :-)
Thanks in advance.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
I live in Southbridge, Massachusetts--- the Optical Capital of the World
from 1837 until the 1970's. People around here remember on Friday when the
jeweler's rouge was dumped into the river. It ran red to the ocean. Now
there are more than FIVE MILLION square feet of abandoned industrial space
in this little town. Touring this vast space is a journey to another
dimension. There are empty hallways a thousand feet long and vast spaces
where indoor flight tests are a real possibility.
We tend to think that industry seeking lower costs is a recent and local
issue but it's been going on for as long as there has been trade. Those
darned Arabs---importing oriental fabrics via the silk route....Those darned
Romans using cheap slave labor...Damned those Phoenicians....
There was a time, for hundreds of years when America was the low-cost
high-quality producer to the world. In fact, New England clipper ships moved
goods made in Salem, Massachusetts to the consumers of the world. What is
odd about this is that so frequently was the imprint "Made in Salem" seen
that in the early 1700's "Salem" was believed by many to be the name of a
really big country.
It is surprising to many but the USA was the world's dominant clock and
watch producer from about 1820 to 1920. We are left to remember this time
by a Swiss watchmaker's prouncement that "Not one in fifty thousand Swiss
watches is as good as an American watch that sells for a dollar!" The famous
watchmakers IWC in Schaffhausen began as a American company in 1860 looking
for low paid labor!
During the Great Depression of the 1930's students learned technical skills,
and how to fend for themselves. But we gradually lost our dominance after
the 1950's when the rest of the world was recovering from the rubble of
world war two and rebuilt their industry and economies with the latest new
machinery.
Zenith and Motorola assembly plants in South Central Los Angeles started
buying circuit boards from Japan in the late1950's. But, of course, we would
keep the engineering here....Now all my home electronics seem to say "Sony".
You can still go to seminars where gurus will tell you that the Orientals
are good at copying things but are short on creativity. (HAH!) The Japanese
and Chinese will humbly agree--but this is just polite oriental deference.
There are smart people everywhere.
They will eat our lunches, sure. But for now we enjoy the bountiful fruits
of their low-paid labor.
The Chinese are worried that the low-cost labor in India and Indonesia will
take their jobs. Read Thomas L. Friedman's "The World is Flat". Enjoy....
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
"People don't appreciate how very difficult it is to be a princess."
--Princess Diana
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Forever be it. We do some business with Korea Electric Power Company. They recently
delayed, for 18 months, 4 nuclear plants they have on the drawing board
because of slack electrical demand. They said the problem was all their manufacturing
jobs were being exported to China. I felt like telling him that's EXACTLY
how we felt 20 years ago when all of our manufacturing jobs were going
to Korea and Japan.
It's economically efficient to have this constant change as countries/economies
develop and each specializes in those products and services where they have a
competitive advantage. It's actually to everyone's (at least in a plural sense)
long term benefit--but don't tell that to the U.S. textile worker that just
lost his/her job to Chinamen who make 3 bowls of rice per hour. The scary part
is, "what products and services do we have a competitive advantage in anymore?"
Chuck
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
M. Jones
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT
rant
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
I live in Southbridge, Massachusetts--- the Optical Capital of the World
from 1837 until the 1970's. People around here remember on Friday when the
jeweler's rouge was dumped into the river. It ran red to the ocean. Now
there are more than FIVE MILLION square feet of abandoned industrial space
in this little town. Touring this vast space is a journey to another
dimension. There are empty hallways a thousand feet long and vast spaces
where indoor flight tests are a real possibility.
We tend to think that industry seeking lower costs is a recent and local
issue but it's been going on for as long as there has been trade. Those
darned Arabs---importing oriental fabrics via the silk route....Those darned
Romans using cheap slave labor...Damned those Phoenicians....
There was a time, for hundreds of years when America was the low-cost
high-quality producer to the world. In fact, New England clipper ships moved
goods made in Salem, Massachusetts to the consumers of the world. What is
odd about this is that so frequently was the imprint "Made in Salem" seen
that in the early 1700's "Salem" was believed by many to be the name of a
really big country.
It is surprising to many but the USA was the world's dominant clock and
watch producer from about 1820 to 1920. We are left to remember this time
by a Swiss watchmaker's prouncement that "Not one in fifty thousand Swiss
watches is as good as an American watch that sells for a dollar!" The famous
watchmakers IWC in Schaffhausen began as a American company in 1860 looking
for low paid labor!
During the Great Depression of the 1930's students learned technical skills,
and how to fend for themselves. But we gradually lost our dominance after
the 1950's when the rest of the world was recovering from the rubble of
world war two and rebuilt their industry and economies with the latest new
machinery.
Zenith and Motorola assembly plants in South Central Los Angeles started
buying circuit boards from Japan in the late1950's. But, of course, we would
keep the engineering here....Now all my home electronics seem to say "Sony".
You can still go to seminars where gurus will tell you that the Orientals
are good at copying things but are short on creativity. (HAH!) The Japanese
and Chinese will humbly agree--but this is just polite oriental deference.
There are smart people everywhere.
They will eat our lunches, sure. But for now we enjoy the bountiful fruits
of their low-paid labor.
The Chinese are worried that the low-cost labor in India and Indonesia will
take their jobs. Read Thomas L. Friedman's "The World is Flat". Enjoy....
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
"People don't appreciate how very difficult it is to be a princess."
--Princess Diana
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help please
| Subject: | Re: RAC servo and Landing light - wiring |
help please
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Donald Garcia" <donaldautocenter@outgun.com>
---Hello Paul
I do not need this kind of shit in my box anymore, i do understand why u should
be sending this , pls stay clear from my box
Original Message -----
From: "Paul Weismann" <pw@weismannassociates.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RAC servo and Landing light - wiring help please
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Weismann"
> <pw@weismannassociates.com>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> This is my first of probably many posts. I have read many of the posts
> and done searches on several issues I am having, and this is a very
> valuable resource, thanks.
>
>
> I am installing landing lights in a hatch under the belly of my
> helicopter. The hatch is extended/retracted with an RAC servo.
>
> My goal is to be able to:
>
> 1. flip a single toggle switch to a) turn on the lights and b)
> extend the hatch to a pre-determined position.
>
> 2. once the hatch is extended, I want to be able to adjust its angle
> with the coolie hat on my infinity grip in the up/down axis.
>
> 3. whatever position the hatch is in, I want the lights to switch
> off and the hatch to retract once the toggle switch is flipped off.
>
>
> I am assuming I will need a micro-switch or some kind of limit switch,
> but if any of you gurus could point me in the right direction in terms
> of circuit design, I would be extremely grateful. I am trying to learn
> as much as I can about this stuff but this one is just too complex for
> my laymans brain to make sense of. Any descriptions of components and
> layouts would be more appreciated if they were in "beginner" language,
> if you know what I mean. :-)
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: TSaccio@aol.com
Sometime ago there was an article written on this site about low cost
battery chargers from Harbor Freight. Does anyone have information as to the best
one to buy? Tom Saccio
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 03:48 PM 5/16/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: TSaccio@aol.com
>
>Sometime ago there was an article written on this site about low cost
>battery chargers from Harbor Freight. Does anyone have information as to
>the best
>one to buy? Tom Saccio
I posted that note and referred to this item:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/HF_Battery_Maintainer.jpg
I don't know about the performance of this device. I've
got it on my list of things to do in the not too distant
future. If you're interested in a known good device
for battery charging and maintenance, check out
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79845&item=5774201356&rd=1
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7973379892&category=63687
I have three of the "junior" models that are used to
recharge/maintain my RG instrumentation batteries. I also
use them on my father's seldom driven vehicles. At the
moment, they are my all-time favorite battery service
tools.
Here's where you get all the technical scoop on these
critters.
http://batterytender.com/
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
A couple of nights ago I was working out on a stair machine at my health
club in a Seattle suburb, reading Thomas Friedman's book, "The World is
Flat", which Eric mentioned. The young woman next to me had a tiny cell
phone which would chime on occasion and she would pick it up and punch the
keys for a few minutes, then put it back down. She never actually answered
the phone; just picked it up and punched the keys.
I asked her if it was a new phone, since I thought she must be trying to
figure it out. She replied with a distinct Russian accent that yes, it was
new, but that she was exchanging text messages with her father in central
Russia. She also said that her father had a summer home in Siberia, and that
even there, she could just call him up on her phone, or send him text
messages, and that it was so very inexpensive.
Those who think that the Chinese only build clunky cast iron tools are in
for a very rude awakening. The "all-American" Garmin 196 that I bought a few
years ago came in a box, clearly marked "Made in Taiwan". I'm quite sure my
Toyota pickup was assembled in California.
We can all have our own reasons for buying or not buying from any company or
country we want, but to dismiss anything manufactured in China as being of
low quality is to be maybe a quarter of a century behind the times.
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Subject: GLOBALIZATION
INTERNATIONAL THINKING
AT ITS BEST!
Question: What is the truest definition of Globalization?
Answer: Princess Diana's death.
Question: How come?
Answer: An English princess
with an Egyptian boyfriend
crashes in a French tunnel,
driving a German car
with a Dutch engine,
driven by a Belgian who was drunk
on Scottish whisky, (check the bottle before you change the spelling)
followed closely by Italian Paparazzi,
on Japanese motorcycles;
treated by an American doctor,
using Brazilian medicines.
This is sent to you by an Englishman,
using Bill Gates's technology,
and you're probably reading this on your computer,
that uses Taiwanese chips,
and a Korean monitor,
assembled by Bangladeshi workers
in a Singapore plant,
transported by Indian lorry-drivers,
hijacked by Indonesians,
unloaded by Sicilian longshoremen,
and trucked to you by Mexican illegals.....
That, my friends, is Globalization
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: B Tomm <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
Well, when there are no more "developing countries" left (to work cheaper
than anyone else so they can get themselves "developed), it will go back to
"developed countries" who are willing to take a pay cut to get the work.
This will not come without controversy though as everybody will claim
their workers are worth more than what the rest of the world is willing to
pay. Nothing really has changed, except the names and places. We, in the
western, world have had it pretty good for as long as most of us have been
alive, but it hasn't always been this way, nor will it always be. Change
is inevitable and we live in a global economy whether we like it or not.
I wonder how many "undeveloped countries are there left before we should
expect higher prices, disrupted supply and/or cheaper quality. This topic
is way to heavy, back to pounding rivets.
Bevan
RV7A
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Jensen [SMTP:cjensen@dts9000.com]
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT
rant
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen"
<cjensen@dts9000.com>
Forever be it. We do some business with Korea Electric Power Company.
They recently delayed, for 18 months, 4 nuclear plants they have on the
drawing board because of slack electrical demand. They said the problem
was all their manufacturing jobs were being exported to China. I felt like
telling him that's EXACTLY how we felt 20 years ago when all of our
manufacturing jobs were going to Korea and Japan.
It's economically efficient to have this constant change as
countries/economies develop and each specializes in those products and
services where they have a competitive advantage. It's actually to
everyone's (at least in a plural sense) long term benefit--but don't tell
that to the U.S. textile worker that just lost his/her job to Chinamen who
make 3 bowls of rice per hour. The scary part is, "what products and
services do we have a competitive advantage in anymore?"
Chuck
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
M. Jones
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT
rant
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
<emjones@charter.net>
I live in Southbridge, Massachusetts--- the Optical Capital of the World
from 1837 until the 1970's. People around here remember on Friday when the
jeweler's rouge was dumped into the river. It ran red to the ocean. Now
there are more than FIVE MILLION square feet of abandoned industrial space
in this little town. Touring this vast space is a journey to another
dimension. There are empty hallways a thousand feet long and vast spaces
where indoor flight tests are a real possibility.
We tend to think that industry seeking lower costs is a recent and local
issue but it's been going on for as long as there has been trade. Those
darned Arabs---importing oriental fabrics via the silk route....Those
darned
Romans using cheap slave labor...Damned those Phoenicians....
There was a time, for hundreds of years when America was the low-cost
high-quality producer to the world. In fact, New England clipper ships
moved
goods made in Salem, Massachusetts to the consumers of the world. What is
odd about this is that so frequently was the imprint "Made in Salem" seen
that in the early 1700's "Salem" was believed by many to be the name of a
really big country.
It is surprising to many but the USA was the world's dominant clock and
watch producer from about 1820 to 1920. We are left to remember this time
by a Swiss watchmaker's prouncement that "Not one in fifty thousand Swiss
watches is as good as an American watch that sells for a dollar!" The
famous
watchmakers IWC in Schaffhausen began as a American company in 1860 looking
for low paid labor!
During the Great Depression of the 1930's students learned technical
skills,
and how to fend for themselves. But we gradually lost our dominance after
the 1950's when the rest of the world was recovering from the rubble of
world war two and rebuilt their industry and economies with the latest new
machinery.
Zenith and Motorola assembly plants in South Central Los Angeles started
buying circuit boards from Japan in the late1950's. But, of course, we
would
keep the engineering here....Now all my home electronics seem to say
"Sony".
You can still go to seminars where gurus will tell you that the Orientals
are good at copying things but are short on creativity. (HAH!) The Japanese
and Chinese will humbly agree--but this is just polite oriental deference.
There are smart people everywhere.
They will eat our lunches, sure. But for now we enjoy the bountiful fruits
of their low-paid labor.
The Chinese are worried that the low-cost labor in India and Indonesia will
take their jobs. Read Thomas L. Friedman's "The World is Flat". Enjoy....
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
"People don't appreciate how very difficult it is to be a princess."
--Princess Diana
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I have less of a problem with someone who manufactures a product in China and then
sells it for a cheap price. What's worse is companies that move production
from America to China, sell at the same price, and pocket a bigger margin at
the expense of the American worker.
The real irony will be when the missiles start flying in the Taiwan Strait - those
"Made in China" gym shoes will look like less of a deal then . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry
Watson
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters -
OT rant
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
A couple of nights ago I was working out on a stair machine at my health
club in a Seattle suburb, reading Thomas Friedman's book, "The World is
Flat", which Eric mentioned. The young woman next to me had a tiny cell
phone which would chime on occasion and she would pick it up and punch the
keys for a few minutes, then put it back down. She never actually answered
the phone; just picked it up and punched the keys.
I asked her if it was a new phone, since I thought she must be trying to
figure it out. She replied with a distinct Russian accent that yes, it was
new, but that she was exchanging text messages with her father in central
Russia. She also said that her father had a summer home in Siberia, and that
even there, she could just call him up on her phone, or send him text
messages, and that it was so very inexpensive.
Those who think that the Chinese only build clunky cast iron tools are in
for a very rude awakening. The "all-American" Garmin 196 that I bought a few
years ago came in a box, clearly marked "Made in Taiwan". I'm quite sure my
Toyota pickup was assembled in California.
We can all have our own reasons for buying or not buying from any company or
country we want, but to dismiss anything manufactured in China as being of
low quality is to be maybe a quarter of a century behind the times.
Terry
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I checked my HF digital meters (2) and my expensive large meters. All were
very clear and easy to read in direct sunlight. There should not be any
problem with the sun heating your meter. If there is send it back as
defective.I do have a Radio Shack digital tire pressure gage that wipes out
in direct sun and shows all 8 s. This is a "feature" of the display
technology in the LCD. The only answer is shade it.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rico Voss" <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
>
>> Buy a cheap digital multimeter from Harbor Freight.
>
> My curiosity has overcome me.
> I bought one of those famous HarborFreight multimeters,
> made in China. I've found, however that voltage readings
> are affected significantly by whether the display is
> exposed to bright light.
>
> Any comments or explanations welcome (other than "you get
> what you pay for")
>
> Richard, Zenith XL
> do not archive
>
>
> Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out!
> http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT rant |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
The British Empire tried "free trade" just within the empire starting before
WW 1. Their empire has finished swirling around the bowl and gone down the
"crapper" (British). Our idiot socialists have set us on the same swirling
ride. WTO regulations are a pile of paper 23 inches thick!!! Is that really
free trade ? The Chinese are grossly undervaluing their money to steal our
manufacturing jobs. They may be communists but they understand economics.
Bring back tariffs ! They protect jobs and are a form of national sales
tax. The more you spend , the more you pay.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT
rant
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen"
> <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>
> Forever be it. We do some business with Korea Electric Power Company.
> They recently delayed, for 18 months, 4 nuclear plants they have on the
> drawing board because of slack electrical demand. They said the problem
> was all their manufacturing jobs were being exported to China. I felt
> like telling him that's EXACTLY how we felt 20 years ago when all of our
> manufacturing jobs were going to Korea and Japan.
>
> It's economically efficient to have this constant change as
> countries/economies develop and each specializes in those products and
> services where they have a competitive advantage. It's actually to
> everyone's (at least in a plural sense) long term benefit--but don't tell
> that to the U.S. textile worker that just lost his/her job to Chinamen who
> make 3 bowls of rice per hour. The scary part is, "what products and
> services do we have a competitive advantage in anymore?"
>
> Chuck
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
> M. Jones
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters - OT
> rant
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
> <emjones@charter.net>
>
> I live in Southbridge, Massachusetts--- the Optical Capital of the World
> from 1837 until the 1970's. People around here remember on Friday when the
> jeweler's rouge was dumped into the river. It ran red to the ocean. Now
> there are more than FIVE MILLION square feet of abandoned industrial space
> in this little town. Touring this vast space is a journey to another
> dimension. There are empty hallways a thousand feet long and vast spaces
> where indoor flight tests are a real possibility.
>
> We tend to think that industry seeking lower costs is a recent and local
> issue but it's been going on for as long as there has been trade. Those
> darned Arabs---importing oriental fabrics via the silk route....Those
> darned
> Romans using cheap slave labor...Damned those Phoenicians....
>
> There was a time, for hundreds of years when America was the low-cost
> high-quality producer to the world. In fact, New England clipper ships
> moved
> goods made in Salem, Massachusetts to the consumers of the world. What is
> odd about this is that so frequently was the imprint "Made in Salem" seen
> that in the early 1700's "Salem" was believed by many to be the name of a
> really big country.
>
> It is surprising to many but the USA was the world's dominant clock and
> watch producer from about 1820 to 1920. We are left to remember this time
> by a Swiss watchmaker's prouncement that "Not one in fifty thousand Swiss
> watches is as good as an American watch that sells for a dollar!" The
> famous
> watchmakers IWC in Schaffhausen began as a American company in 1860
> looking
> for low paid labor!
>
> During the Great Depression of the 1930's students learned technical
> skills,
> and how to fend for themselves. But we gradually lost our dominance after
> the 1950's when the rest of the world was recovering from the rubble of
> world war two and rebuilt their industry and economies with the latest new
> machinery.
>
> Zenith and Motorola assembly plants in South Central Los Angeles started
> buying circuit boards from Japan in the late1950's. But, of course, we
> would
> keep the engineering here....Now all my home electronics seem to say
> "Sony".
>
> You can still go to seminars where gurus will tell you that the Orientals
> are good at copying things but are short on creativity. (HAH!) The
> Japanese
> and Chinese will humbly agree--but this is just polite oriental deference.
> There are smart people everywhere.
>
> They will eat our lunches, sure. But for now we enjoy the bountiful fruits
> of their low-paid labor.
>
> The Chinese are worried that the low-cost labor in India and Indonesia
> will
> take their jobs. Read Thomas L. Friedman's "The World is Flat". Enjoy....
>
> Regards,
> Eric M. Jones
> www.PerihelionDesign.com
> 113 Brentwood Drive
> Southbridge MA 01550-2705
> Phone (508) 764-2072
> Email: emjones@charter.net
>
> "People don't appreciate how very difficult it is to be a princess."
> --Princess Diana
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Interesting... I took Richard's comment to mean that the accuracy of the
meter (the value of the readings) was changed by exposure to sunlight, not
the readability of the display. I can see why you interpreted the
comment differently. So Richard, which is it?
Regards,
Matt-
VE N34RD, C150 N714BK
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I checked my HF digital meters (2) and my expensive large meters. All
> were very clear and easy to read in direct sunlight. There should not
> be any problem with the sun heating your meter. If there is send it
> back as defective.I do have a Radio Shack digital tire pressure gage
> that wipes out in direct sun and shows all 8 s. This is a "feature" of
> the display technology in the LCD. The only answer is shade it.
>
> Leo Corbalis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rico Voss" <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: cheap Harbor Freight multimeters
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>> Buy a cheap digital multimeter from Harbor Freight.
>>
>> My curiosity has overcome me.
>> I bought one of those famous HarborFreight multimeters,
>> made in China. I've found, however that voltage readings
>> are affected significantly by whether the display is
>> exposed to bright light.
>>
>> Any comments or explanations welcome (other than "you get
>> what you pay for")
>>
>> Richard, Zenith XL
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it
>> out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RAC servo and Landing light - wiring help please |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Paul,
Can you operate a collective and two joysticks at the same time, at night,
without getting vertigo? Not me.
You must play a lot of XBox with your kids.
Sounds like a cool set up. Sorry I can offer no help, standby, you'll get
some soon.
Jim Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Weismann" <pw@weismannassociates.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RAC servo and Landing light - wiring help please
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Weismann"
> <pw@weismannassociates.com>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> This is my first of probably many posts. I have read many of the posts
> and done searches on several issues I am having, and this is a very
> valuable resource, thanks.
>
>
> I am installing landing lights in a hatch under the belly of my
> helicopter. The hatch is extended/retracted with an RAC servo.
>
> My goal is to be able to:
>
> 1. flip a single toggle switch to a) turn on the lights and b)
> extend the hatch to a pre-determined position.
>
> 2. once the hatch is extended, I want to be able to adjust its angle
> with the coolie hat on my infinity grip in the up/down axis.
>
> 3. whatever position the hatch is in, I want the lights to switch
> off and the hatch to retract once the toggle switch is flipped off.
>
>
> I am assuming I will need a micro-switch or some kind of limit switch,
> but if any of you gurus could point me in the right direction in terms
> of circuit design, I would be extremely grateful. I am trying to learn
> as much as I can about this stuff but this one is just too complex for
> my laymans brain to make sense of. Any descriptions of components and
> layouts would be more appreciated if they were in "beginner" language,
> if you know what I mean. :-)
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> accuracy of the
> meter (the value of the readings) was changed by exposure
> to sunlight, not
> the readability of the display.
Yes, Matt, the actual voltage reading changed, and the
amount it's off is proportional to how bright the light
hitting the display is. I was just wondering if there was
any precedent for this, or did I get a (Chinese)lemon.
__________________________________
http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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| Subject: | S.O.S. Kiez! Polizei schlaegt Alarm |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob.nuckolls@cox.net
Lese selbst:
http://bz.berlin1.de/archiv/041115_pdf/BZ041115_004_GB2IG556.1.htm
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| Subject: | GI-106A Back Course |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "John Schroeder"
<jschroeder@perigee.net>
<<.......skip.....He (John Stark) recommended getting the MD200-306 instead
of the GI-106A. The GI can't do the back coarse ILS, if I recall the
comparison he gave me correctly. Mid Continent builds both the 106 & 200
series and the prices are very close......skip....>>
5/16/2005
Hello John, I flew a simulated localizer back course** today with my SL-30
feeding my GI-106A. It worked perfectly. There is no back course indication
on the GI-106A itself when it is being fed back course inputs from the
SL-30, but the SL-30 indications clearly show that it is in the back course
mode when you place it there.
What features does the MD200-306 have that would make it superior for back
course work?
OC
**PS: I couldn't find a published back course approach in the Northeast
Volume 3 U. S. Terminal procedures book so I had to simulate a back course
while flying a front course.
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| Subject: | Re: GI-106A Back Course |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Well, BC indicator is hardly necessary to fly a BC anyway. None of the older
King, etc. indicators tell you you're flying a BC - you need to know that.
--- bakerocb@cox.net wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>
> AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "John Schroeder"
> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> <<.......skip.....He (John Stark) recommended getting the MD200-306 instead
> of the GI-106A. The GI can't do the back coarse ILS, if I recall the
> comparison he gave me correctly. Mid Continent builds both the 106 & 200
> series and the prices are very close......skip....>>
>
> 5/16/2005
>
> Hello John, I flew a simulated localizer back course** today with my SL-30
> feeding my GI-106A. It worked perfectly. There is no back course indication
> on the GI-106A itself when it is being fed back course inputs from the
> SL-30, but the SL-30 indications clearly show that it is in the back course
> mode when you place it there.
>
> What features does the MD200-306 have that would make it superior for back
> course work?
>
> OC
>
> **PS: I couldn't find a published back course approach in the Northeast
> Volume 3 U. S. Terminal procedures book so I had to simulate a back course
> while flying a front course.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/2005 9:51:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com writes:
Well, BC indicator is hardly necessary to fly a BC anyway. None of the
older
King, etc. indicators tell you you're flying a BC - you need to know that.
How many back course approaches are still in service?
I haven't shot one in at least twenty years. Maybe more.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I know Appleton, WI (ATW) has one. Only one that comes to mind in my area.
--- BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2005 9:51:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Well, BC indicator is hardly necessary to fly a BC anyway. None of the
> older
> King, etc. indicators tell you you're flying a BC - you need to know that.
>
>
> How many back course approaches are still in service?
>
> I haven't shot one in at least twenty years. Maybe more.
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/2005 10:38:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com writes:
I know Appleton, WI (ATW) has one. Only one that comes to mind in my area.
Good Evening Paul,
I found only two in Illinois. Forty years ago there were a dozen in
Northern Illinois alone. I wouldn't spend much to have back course capability.
Do Not Archive
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 02:21 PM 5/16/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>A couple of nights ago I was working out on a stair machine at my health
>club in a Seattle suburb, reading Thomas Friedman's book, "The World is
>Flat", which Eric mentioned.
I just ordered that book on a audio CD from my local library.
I'll keep it in the CD player in my car for the next week or so.
>We can all have our own reasons for buying or not buying from any company or
>country we want, but to dismiss anything manufactured in China as being of
>low quality is to be maybe a quarter of a century behind the times.
Well put. I've been gigged by many dishonorable and/or incapable
individuals over the years. Some were in China, most were not.
I have several machine tools from HF that have demonstrated
some limitations but for the most part, have been good value.
I was able to produce parts that sold for a great deal more than
the tools cost. In the grand scheme of things, the consumer/
supplier transactions were all accomplished to the satisfaction of
persons involved.
Someone wondered if we have any competitive goods or services
to offer . . . perhaps as a nation we are slipping behind.
There are undoubtedly a host of economic forces that play
to that condition. However, I've observed first hand, a very
powerful force pushing us in the wrong direction: If we don't
radically modify the way our children are schooled, the future
of the US will be much less bright and more difficult.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: GI-106A Back Course |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
I know this probably shouldn't turn into a "There's one here... There's
one here too..." type thing... But, I am finishing up my instrument
rating right now, and use the Localizer Back Course a couple of times each
week at Boise. Fly the ILS to published missed, then vectors (normal
because of terrain) for the BC going the opposite direction, then miss -
climb runway heading for the procedure turn back to the ILS. Keeps the
neurons whirring..
Regards,
Matt-
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2005 9:51:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Well, BC indicator is hardly necessary to fly a BC anyway. None of the
> older
> King, etc. indicators tell you you're flying a BC - you need to know
> that.
>
>
> How many back course approaches are still in service?
>
> I haven't shot one in at least twenty years. Maybe more.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8502
>
>
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