---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/29/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:26 AM - Re: Headset pains (Russell Daves) 2. 04:45 AM - Re: Headset pains (Steve Glasgow) 3. 06:30 AM - Shoo Goo Repost (Eric M. Jones) 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: toggle (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 07:41 AM - Re: (no subject) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 08:14 AM - Re: Headset pains (Wayne Sweet) 7. 09:29 AM - Charging the battery through the E-bus diode (Dave Morris \) 8. 11:37 AM - Re: Shoo Goo Repost (John Schroeder) 9. 12:49 PM - Re: Shoo Goo Repost (Dave Morris \) 10. 06:30 PM - Z-13/8 Drawing (Chris Byrne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:43 AM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headset pains --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" After 1400 hours and many different type headsets including ANR my wife and I both wear AuriComm's. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ They are the best headsets I have every worn, and at $365.00 each, when adjusted for inflation they are the cheapest headsets I have purchased in the past 30+ years. Russ Daves RV-10 (Fuselage) RV-6A Sold ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:00 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headset pains --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" My wife is using a headset from http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ They are not noise cnx but work as well as the Light Speeds I use. Steve Glasgow N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:33 AM PST US From: "Eric M. Jones" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Shoo Goo Repost --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" Repost from 10/24/03 Most of the various GOOP products (Household, Plumber's, Automotive, Amazing, Craftsman, and Shoe GOO) are simply "retail" versions of E6000 industrial adhesive. They contain a more consumer-friendly solvent, but have the same performance characteristics. Marine GOOP differs only in that it contains UV inhibitors it's their E6800 industrial adhesive, solvent and all. Shoo Goo used to be made from a harder resin, but that's not true any longer. Eclectic Products (manufacturers of Goop) says that if you live in the U.S. there is a different formula for Goop than in Canada. The Canadian formula contains perchloroethylene which is a known carcinogenic but is non-flammable and also does not work quite as well. The U.S. Goop contains toluene, which although is a flammable solvent, it is not carcinogenic. Duco (made by Devcon) is made of nitro cellulose with toluene solvent. Pretty much a tube of rocket fuel it seems to me. It's an older formulation--most of the newer household goops use styrene monomers. The solvents may depend on where you buy it. So in short Shoo Goo is not on the critical materials list. Just buy anything in the hardware store that says "miracle" and is not a white glue, a rubber, a cyanoacrylate, or an epoxy. Look for the picture of a teacup with a broken handle. That's the stuff............. End of repost---- I want to add that Gorilla Glue has a lot to recommend it. It has become a favorite of mine, although it has some quirks. Regards, Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge MA 01550-2705 Phone (508) 764-2072 Email: emjones@charter.net "Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an injury to one's self-esteem...." -Thomas Szasz ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:21 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" switch action? Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: toggle switch action? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" switch action? At 08:13 PM 5/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" > > > > > Before we had a low cost offering for the 2-10 functionality, > > all the Z-figures recommended a 2-3/breaker combination for > > DC power control. > > > > Bob . . . > > > > Hey Bob, >So that I am clear on this, does a 2-10 switch replace the 2-3 switch plus >breaker for field? If so, then a second 2-10 switch will operate the AUX >batt manager. >Thanks, >Jim >HRII No, you ALWAYS need the breaker . . . it's just that the 3-position 2-10 offers battery-only ground ops without pulling the breaker. If you don't mind pulling the breaker to achieve battery-only operation, then a 2-3 switch will suffice. There's no great magic in bringing alternator on/off separately. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:21 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: (no subject) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 01:24 AM 5/29/2005 +0100, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > >The stuff is sold under a ton of brand names including GOOP who > sells lots of stickums besides the E-6000. Hobby lobby and most > hardware stores handle E-6000 as does Walmart in the hobbies/crafts > department. > >Bob >isn't this stuff a "moisture cure polyurethane"? There may be solvent too >but once that has gone the urethane reacts with atmospheric water vapour >and cures, eventually it will be sovent resistant. >Graham Eric has addressed this . . . I don't think moisture has any direct role in effecting a cure of this stuff. Further, if you check the data sheets for cured material, it cites good resistance to water, weak bases and weak alkalies. A resistance to hydrocarbons and/or solvents is conspicuously absent. I would used this stuff under the cowl with consideration. It's good everywhere else for non-structural attachment. Stay with welds, nuts, screws and rivets for these joints. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:31 AM PST US From: "Wayne Sweet" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headset pains --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" Do those tried headsets include Bose X? These are light, and very effective with the best mic I've have used. My MII is very noisy so ANR is an absolute necessity. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Daves" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headset pains > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" > > After 1400 hours and many different type headsets including ANR my wife > and I both wear AuriComm's. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ They are the > best headsets I have every worn, and at $365.00 each, when adjusted for > inflation they are the cheapest headsets I have purchased in the past 30+ > years. > > Russ Daves > RV-10 (Fuselage) > RV-6A Sold > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:13 AM PST US From: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Charging the battery through the E-bus diode --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Hi Bob, I'm wiring my plane pretty much according to Z-16, with some minor mods since I'm using a coil and points based ignition system on my Corvair engine and have implemented an Always-Hot bus. In studying the schematic and trying to list all possible failures and their impact, I began wondering about battery failures. So I have some questions. I think these would have to involve in-flight battery failures, (let's say one dead cell), so they may be extremely rare, but I wonder still: 1. If you open the battery contactor and close the E-bus switch in flight, and the battery needs a lot of charging, the alternator will attempt to do so through the E-bus diode, which could presumably blow if the charge current is high enough. Will it ever get that high? I've got a B&C heat sink on mine. 2. I'm using a John Deere (PM) dynamo with a regulator whose supply pin is connected to the main bus. The battery fails for some reason. I have a big electrolytic cap on the output, so everything is fine and dandy, but while trying to diagnose what exactly is happening, let's say I make the mistake of pulling the dynamo breaker. I will not be able to reset the breaker or do anything else to get the dynamo back online, because there is no supply voltage to power the regulator. So maybe these are very rare, and could be easily overcome by simply using two 17ah batteries instead of a single larger battery. Am I wasting my time worrying about these? Thanks, Dave Morris www.DaveMorris.com/Dave/DFly.html ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shoo Goo Repost From: "John Schroeder" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" On Sun, 29 May 2005 09:26:25 -0400, Eric M. Jones wrote: > I want to add that Gorilla Glue has a lot to recommend it. It has become > a favorite of mine, although > it has some quirks. Eric - Like, what quirks. We always need ideas as to what sticks to what - especially to epoxy-glass. Thanks, John -- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:21 PM PST US From: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shoo Goo Repost --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" By the way, I just went to my local Wal-Mart and found E6000 in the "crafts" section. Dave Morris At 01:36 PM 5/29/2005, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" > > >On Sun, 29 May 2005 09:26:25 -0400, Eric M. Jones >wrote: > > > I want to add that Gorilla Glue has a lot to recommend it. It has become > > a favorite of mine, although > it has some quirks. > >Eric - > >Like, what quirks. We always need ideas as to what sticks to what - >especially to epoxy-glass. > >Thanks, > >John > > >-- > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:09 PM PST US From: "Chris Byrne" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-13/8 Drawing --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Byrne" Hi Bob Am in the process of ordering the components for this installation. Z-13/8 Which battery contactor do I use. S701-1 or S701-2? Also the Low Voltage Monitor Module shown on the drawing. Will the Low Voltage section of the GRT EIS take the place of this module or do I need this component. If so where will I get it and the Part Number please. Regards Chris Byrne Sydney