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1. 04:28 AM - A Bugger of an Avionics Problem (Wayne Sweet)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: Fw: Eric and the epoxy (Chuck Jensen)
3. 04:37 AM - Re: Tranpsonder Coax Connection (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 05:06 AM - Re: Eric and the epoxy (Eric M. Jones)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Help locating a 7-10 Amp, 12 V Diodes (Mark Banus)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: A Bugger of an Avionics Problem (Richard Dudley)
7. 06:52 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/28/05 (Ernest Christley)
8. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Help locating a 7-10 Amp, 12 V (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 10:04 AM - Re: OVM trips on Alt restart (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 10:10 AM - Off line for a few days (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 10:38 AM - Re: Help locating a 7-10 Amp, 12 V Diodes (John Schroeder)
12. 11:52 AM - Re: Paul M. has risen from the dead again! (P. Van Caulart)
13. 12:20 PM - Re: I've got a secret ()
14. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: I've got a secret (Gerry Holland)
15. 04:17 PM - Need help with Apollo GPS (WRBYARS@aol.com)
16. 08:04 PM - Strobe Noise Report (Phil Birkelbach)
17. 11:12 PM - Re: Re: I've got a secret (Richard Riley)
18. 11:13 PM - Re: Re: I've got a secret (Richard Riley)
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| Subject: | A Bugger of an Avionics Problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
I have dual VOR/ILS's; a GNS430 and a recently installed replacement TX760/TN200D.
The VOR/GS is taken from a single VOR antenna through a 1 into 4 splitter.
The Terra is a replacement for an older TX720/TN200, which function well, except
for a squelch problem that Toronto Avionics fixed. I sold that system on eBay.
Anyway, this "new" Terra will not consistantly display the CDI for VOR/LOC EXCEPT
when outbound from the ILS. Then I get turned around and inbound on the ILS,
the TN200D only displays the GS. The GNS430 is rock solid out and inbound. The
old TN200 did not have this problem; it and the GNS430 were working fine.
Also, now the Terra TN200D will not display the CDI for the VOR unless I'm almost
on the airport; VOR on airport. The TRI-NAV is wired to display the OBS setting
as well as the radial currently on. This works OK, meaning the CDI is getting
the correct data.
The only explanation I can come up with, is that the TN200D is less sensitive than
the old TN200 and outbound the "rabbit ears" antenna, oriented with the "ears"
facing aft and under the tailcone has better reception going away from the
ILS. This is weird; all airplanes I have seen have the VOR antenna "facing"
aft. In addition I was told by an avionics shop that dual VOR/ILS typically use
a 1-into-4 quadaplexer, rather than two VOR antennas..
Has anyone experienced like symtoms??
Wayne
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| Subject: | Fw: Eric and the epoxy |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Rob W M Shipley wrote
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It has removed 5436 spam emails to date.
Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!
Huh, you must have just turned it on yesterday if that's all you've
gotten!
Chuck
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| Subject: | Tranpsonder Coax Connection |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
http://www.trans-cal.com/950000rD.pdf
see table I
Mike
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Swartout
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tranpsonder Coax Connection
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Swartout"
<jgswartout@earthlink.net>
I'm in exactly the same boat--just took a KT-76A, yellow tagged, out of
the box. It didn't come with a manual, and on mine, the coax was just
snipped off near where it is soldered to the side of the plug that goes
thru the back of the tray to plug into the radio. Also I don't see how
to supply power to the radio.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tinne
maha (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tranpsonder Coax Connection
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tinne maha"
<tinnemaha@hotmail.com> (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
Hello List,
I've actually been searching the archives lately (usually with great
success) before just blurting a question that has probably been asked
1,000
times before. That was starting to be a bad habit for me: Sorry for any
unnecessary repition: I'm getting better though. This list is a GREAT
resource! Thank You Bob!
Maybe I didn't use the correct search string, but I did have trouble
finding an answer to my current dillema: I'm installing a KT-76A
transponder but the coaxial connection in the back is not a BNC type (I
don't recognize it as any type) The tech rep from Honeywell said that
the
Coax must be soldered to the trasnponder & recommended I have an
avionics
shop do the work.
Seems odd to me: Any advice or suggestions?
Thanks,
Grant Krueger
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| Subject: | RE: Eric and the epoxy |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley"
<rob@robsglass.com>
>>Subject: Eric and the epoxy (By the way...I'm still dissolving the epoxy
>>from the Powerlink Jr. More
>>later).
>I didn't know there was a way to do this! How is it done? Enquiring minds
>would like to know. Rob
Rob,
Something with the word "miracle" in it helps.
But seriously--not so hard--just Google "Epoxy Dissolver". --dissolving
epoxy is not difficult, just messy and often smelly. NAPA 6802 stripper also
works. On the plus side, most epoxy dissolvers will easily remove the ink
from US currency so you can reuse the paper to print little award
certificates.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have
to ram it down their throats."
-- Howard Aiken
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| Subject: | Re: Help locating a 7-10 Amp, 12 V Diodes |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Banus" <mbanus@hotmail.com>
Bob/Chad, Thanks.
I will try the 276-1185 but as I have a glass airplane I will have to devise
some sort of heat sink.
Mark Banus
Glasair II FT
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| Subject: | Re: A Bugger of an Avionics Problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Hi Wayne,
I have been struggling with symptoms similar to those you describe. I
have a GNS-430 and an SL-30. Each has it own CDI. I left the testing of
the navs until I completed my 25 hours of flight testing of my RV-6A.
The folks where I purchased the avionics recommended that I use a single
VOR/LOC antenna split with a T taking one side of the T to the SL-30
(which has only one antenna input and an internal splitter) and the
other side to a diplexer which split out the VOR/LOC and GS for the
430. Though I had misgivings about the T, they said it was the
conventional way of splitting. At my first attempt at checking the
systems out, I found that the SL-30 was indicating a good VOR signal
while the 430 was intermittent possibly dependent on my heading relative
to the station. Since then, I have done a variety of experiments
including connecting the antenna to the SL-30 only with excellent VOR
results (haven't checked GS yet), connecting the antenna to the diplexer
and the 430 only with excellent VOR results, using a splitter which
preserves both VORLOC and GS and running one output leg to the SL-30
and the other to the 430 diplexer with neither CDI indicating
consistently. My conclusion is that the signal from the antenna is not
adequate to drive two nav receivers. I am currently installing a second
antenna in one wing tip as a final solution.
I'll let you know when I have the second antenna operating and my results.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Wayne Sweet wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
>
>I have dual VOR/ILS's; a GNS430 and a recently installed replacement TX760/TN200D.
The VOR/GS is taken from a single VOR antenna through a 1 into 4 splitter.
The Terra is a replacement for an older TX720/TN200, which function well, except
for a squelch problem that Toronto Avionics fixed. I sold that system on
eBay.
>Anyway, this "new" Terra will not consistantly display the CDI for VOR/LOC EXCEPT
when outbound from the ILS. Then I get turned around and inbound on the ILS,
the TN200D only displays the GS. The GNS430 is rock solid out and inbound.
The old TN200 did not have this problem; it and the GNS430 were working fine.
>Also, now the Terra TN200D will not display the CDI for the VOR unless I'm almost
on the airport; VOR on airport. The TRI-NAV is wired to display the OBS setting
as well as the radial currently on. This works OK, meaning the CDI is getting
the correct data.
>The only explanation I can come up with, is that the TN200D is less sensitive
than the old TN200 and outbound the "rabbit ears" antenna, oriented with the "ears"
facing aft and under the tailcone has better reception going away from the
ILS. This is weird; all airplanes I have seen have the VOR antenna "facing"
aft. In addition I was told by an avionics shop that dual VOR/ILS typically use
a 1-into-4 quadaplexer, rather than two VOR antennas..
>Has anyone experienced like symtoms??
>Wayne
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/28/05 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com>
AeroElectric-List Digest Server wrote:
>You used 0.035 ohms for the CB and got trip times of a few MS. I used a CB
>from Wicks and measures it at 0.003 ohms and it tripped repeatetly in the
>50-70 ms range. Yes the data seems illogical but my data is repeatable here
>and I accept your data also as factual.
>
><snip>
>
>ANY design that is to be reproduced must be analyzed using the specified
>data sheet parts variations (and either specify the exact parts of consider
>all the likely parts brands that could apply) and for general use NEVER
>publish a design that violates the data sheet under any condition or assumes
>parameters not specifically printed in the data sheet.
>
>
>
Bob,
You should give Paul an award for this. It is a very intelligent and a
germaine insight. Paul measured, tested and passed along the very
useful results of a repeatable experiment. He also distilled the simple
idea that "you can't expect to get the same results with different
inputs." or better yet
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but what you grow in your back yard
may not be the same as a hand-rolled Cuban."
>In any event I see no reason to continue posting.
>
>Paul
>
>
Then you should take the award away from him and check "Does not play
well with others" on his report card.
--
,|"|"|, |
----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta |
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| Subject: | Re: Help locating a 7-10 Amp, 12 V |
Diodes
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Diodes
At 08:41 AM 7/29/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Banus" <mbanus@hotmail.com>
>
>Bob/Chad, Thanks.
>
> I will try the 276-1185 but as I have a glass airplane I will have
> to devise some sort of heat sink.
A 4 x 4" piece of .040 alum will suffice up to 10A
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: OVM trips on Alt restart |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 10:42 PM 7/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
>Thanks for the feedback. After landing and realizing what had happened it
>dawned on me that the high rpm may have triggered a voltage spike that
>tripped the OVM. I'm happy to report no instruments were harmed, with the
>exception of an electric t&b that died, but I think that was coincidental.
>
>Yes, I have the Z24 wiring, with the B-lead connected to a relay and
>assume it tripped. I didn't have the presence of mind at the time to
>reset the breaker, cut power to idle and try to restart the
>alternator, didn't even realize the breaker had tripped until I'd landed
>and started to evaluate what had happened. Clearly I was unprepared for
>the event.
>
>My take aways:
>
>1 Develop and use checklists, prepare for overvoltage situations and
>avoid inducing them if you can.
>
>2 The crowbar system works.
>
>3 Pay attention to the data in front of you.
>
>Throughout this situation, the Dynon EFIS continuously displayed 3
>voltages; Main bus, E bus and it's own internal battery. If I'd paid
>attention, it was obvious that the Alternator wasn't on, from the get-go.
>
>One last question - I did try to start my 8 amp B&C permanent magnet,
>externally regulated alternator connected to my ebus. As I switched this
>alternator on I watched the system voltages and didn't see squat with the
>ebus on. However I didn't think to turn off the master if this matters.
Yes, with the master on, you're loading the SD-8 with ALL
of system loads, not just e-bus. It's likely that the
load exceeded 8A which would pull bus voltage down to
battery delivery levels.
>This raises a whole different set of questions which is really more
>suitable for another thread.
Yeah, like where's that checklist for the various Z-figures I
started about two years ago . . . I'll go look for it.
>The SD8 Spec sheet indicates that output of this alternator is closely
>related to it's rpm. At prop rpm levels you would be luck to see 2 amps
>from this device under load. But this assumes the mag shaft dive turns at
>prop speed. Does anyone know if this is so? Bottom line is I still
>don't know if the SD8 really is a backup alternator. I'll be finding out
>though and will report what I learn.
The SD-8 produces 8A or better at red-line on any Lyc or Cont
engine. Pad speeds are on the order of 1.4 to 1.7 times crank
speed. Call B&C for more detailed data.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Off line for a few days |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Dee and I are headed for three days of goofing off in the
Flint Hills with uncle George and aunt Sally. We'll get
as far north to visit the Arabia Museum in Kansas City . . .
a truly amazing achievement.
See http://www.1856.com/
Be back on Monday.
Bob . . .
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< of man. Advances which permit this norm to be >
< exceeded -- here and there, now and then -- are the >
< work of an extremely small minority, frequently >
< despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed >
< by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny >
< minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes >
< happens) is driven out of a society, the people >
< then slip back into abject poverty. >
< >
< This is known as "bad luck". >
< -Lazarus Long- >
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http://www.aeroelectric.com
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| Subject: | Re: Help locating a 7-10 Amp, 12 V Diodes |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Mark -
B&C also carries them.
John
> It's the 276-1185 at the bottom of the picture and available from Radio
> Shack.
--
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| Subject: | Re: Paul M. has risen from the dead again! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "P. Van Caulart" <etivc@iaw.on.ca>
"...I have been considering posting more details on this general subject
and I may in the near future limited to the specific subject of OP and
internally regulated alternators as there are some industry wide truths
(facts that is) that seem to be missing from posts on this list that
directly contradict what is frequently posted as truths etc...
Paul"
Geez, I see that "Pope Paul M." is once again pontificating. Lord! why
can't he be excommunicated?
Peter Van Caulart
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| Subject: | Re: I've got a secret |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>>Richard Riley wrote:
>>Amen.
>>Months ago, when this started, I begged for a simple, 4 sentence statement
>>of what the problem was and what the proposed solution was. I never got a
>>hint of one. I didn't care about price, or who's product was proposed. As
>>near as I can tell, if you have a B&C alternator and voltage regulator, it
>>doesn't concern you. But I'm not even sure of that. Time for me to start
>>using my filters again.
(oh no Riley don't filter! No one cares what you do)
Riley:
I thought we got rid of you.
You deserve an award, for the most useless & hateful post.
You post insults, trivial opinion or an unimportant & useless, I'll 2nd that.
It's was much nicer with out you; Please just turn your computer off and go.
Have a nice day, Dick
Thanks George
>From: Richard Riley ><richard@RILEY.NET>
>Subject: Re: I've got a secret
>
>At 05:53 AM 7/28/05, you wrote:
><BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
>You probably won't see it. I've encountered this before. It's the "I've
>got a secret" game. Look it up in any good psych textbook.
>>
>>Amen.
>>Months ago, when this started, I begged for a simple, 4 sentence statement
>>of what the problem was and what the proposed solution was. I never got a
>>hint of one. I didn't care about price, or who's product was proposed. As
>>near as I can tell, if you have a B&C alternator and voltage regulator, it
>>doesn't concern you. But I'm not even sure of that. Time for me to start
>>using my filters again.
---------------------------------
Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
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| Subject: | Re: I've got a secret |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
What on earth is this all about!
I presume it's all fallout from Paul Messinger e-mail that gotten a negative
response. Does anyone know....or care!
>
> (oh no Riley don't filter! No one cares what you do)
>
>
> Riley:
>
> I thought we got rid of you.
>
> You deserve an award, for the most useless & hateful post.
>
> You post insults, trivial opinion or an unimportant & useless, I'll 2nd that.
>
> It's was much nicer with out you; Please just turn your computer off and go.
>
> Have a nice day, Dick
> Thanks George
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| Subject: | Need help with Apollo GPS |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WRBYARS@aol.com
Greetings to All,
I'm in a bit of a dilemma with my Apollo 360 GPS Moving Map Unit, (round
unit installed in the panel) which was installed with the latest data in 1997.
This unit can be upgraded by using a lap top computer with an "upgrade card"
in the floppy drive, connected to the GPS with a serial cable, according to
the Installation Guide.
Does anyone have a recent "up grade card", and cable to connect up with that
they would sell, loan, rent, whatever?
Here is the info that the "Guide" gives on these items.
PC Interface Kit (564-0052), which includes a program diskette (31/2"),the
data cable (500-0263), and a reference guide.
Data Cable (500-0263), a 25 pin on the GPS end, to a 9 pin dsub COM port on
the PC.
Also does anyone know if the GPS unit, when hooked up to a color lap top,
will display the same info on the lap top that is on the "Mother" unit on the
panel, and although the original unit display is in black & white, would the
lap top display the info in color? If it will, then the "co-pilot"/ passenger
could have a larger, in color, view, to assist the pilot with.
Sorry this is so long, however I know there is a lot of Very Knowledgeable
folks out there on the list, and I very much need your help.
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Strobe Noise Report |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
I installed a Nova Xpak 904 strobe power supply in my RV-7. When I did
it there were questions about it causing noise in the intercom / radios,
and I promised to report when I knew more. I am happy to report that I
powered them up tonight with the com radio on and while listening to
some Eagles on the CD player. I couldn't hear a thing from the strobes.
I turned the volume up and down on everything and couldn't get so much
as a tic out of it.
I installed the power supply right behind the baggage compartment
bulkhead, I used 3-conductor 18AWG sheilded for the strobe wires and
grounded the shields only at the power supply. The ground for the power
supply goes all the way back to the firewall and is grounded with the
rest of the stuff.
Just wanted to include this data point on the lists.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach
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| Subject: | Re: I've got a secret |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
If you think that's hateful, you must be new to the internet.
Are you capable of summing up this amazingly useless, endless thread
in one paragraph? Like
The problem is X
It can occur when using equipment Y, under the following conditions -
If you use equipment Z instead, it won't happen.
I appreciate the free ice cream that Bob delivers here. It's not
always my favorite flavor, but it's still free. (That's a metaphor, BTW)
At 12:19 PM 7/29/05, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>
> >>Richard Riley wrote:
>
> >>Amen.
>
> >>Months ago, when this started, I begged for a simple, 4 sentence statement
> >>of what the problem was and what the proposed solution was. I never got a
> >>hint of one. I didn't care about price, or who's product was
> proposed. As
> >>near as I can tell, if you have a B&C alternator and voltage regulator, it
> >>doesn't concern you. But I'm not even sure of that. Time for me to start
> >>using my filters again.
>
>(oh no Riley don't filter! No one cares what you do)
>
>
>Riley:
>
>I thought we got rid of you.
>
>You deserve an award, for the most useless & hateful post.
>
>You post insults, trivial opinion or an unimportant & useless, I'll 2nd that.
>
>It's was much nicer with out you; Please just turn your computer off and go.
>
>Have a nice day, Dick
>Thanks George
>
>
> >From: Richard Riley ><richard@RILEY.NET>
> >Subject: Re: I've got a secret
> >
> >At 05:53 AM 7/28/05, you wrote:
> ><BigD@DaveMorris.com>
> >
> >You probably won't see it. I've encountered this before. It's the "I've
> >got a secret" game. Look it up in any good psych textbook.
> >>
> >>Amen.
> >>Months ago, when this started, I begged for a simple, 4 sentence statement
> >>of what the problem was and what the proposed solution was. I never got a
> >>hint of one. I didn't care about price, or who's product was
> proposed. As
> >>near as I can tell, if you have a B&C alternator and voltage regulator, it
> >>doesn't concern you. But I'm not even sure of that. Time for me to start
> >>using my filters again.
>
>
>---------------------------------
> Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
At 12:40 PM 7/29/05, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
><gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
>
>What on earth is this all about!
>
>I presume it's all fallout from Paul Messinger e-mail that gotten a negative
>response. Does anyone know....or care!
I don't. It's out of the blue for me, too.
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