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1. 12:58 AM - Re: Ground power for your airplane (Jan de Jong)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: Ground power for your airplane (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Alternator field breaker (Jim Stone)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Alternator field breaker (Bernard Despins)
5. 09:02 AM - Tire valve extension (Wayne Berg)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Tire valve extension (Gerry Holland)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: Tire valve extension (rv-9a-online)
8. 10:05 AM - Re: Tire valve extension (Dj Merrill)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (rd2@evenlink.com)
10. 01:07 PM - Flat wire? (Michael J. Dark)
11. 01:22 PM - Avionics Wiring Hub (Bill Denton)
12. 01:28 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (Dj Merrill)
13. 01:34 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (LarryRobertHelming)
14. 01:37 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (Mark R Steitle)
15. 01:44 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (sgettings@cfl.rr.com)
16. 02:11 PM - Re: Avionics Wiring Hub (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 02:19 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (BPA)
18. 05:01 PM - My Z-13/Z-20 Changes (Opinions and a Question) (Sean Stephens)
19. 05:41 PM - Re: Alternator field breaker (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
20. 06:42 PM - Re: My Z-13/Z-20 Changes (Opinions and a Question) (Sean Stephens)
21. 11:51 PM - Re: Tire valve extension (Bob McCallum)
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| Subject: | Re: Ground power for your airplane |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Thank you Bob for this pointer to Samlex 13.8 volt, 23 amp.
Small question if I may: to what extent can the output be floated?
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Ground power for your airplane |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 10:04 AM 9/14/2005 +0200, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
>
>Thank you Bob for this pointer to Samlex 13.8 volt, 23 amp.
>Small question if I may: to what extent can the output be floated?
>
>Jan de Jong
If memory serves me correctly, the
(+) and (-) outputs from this product are totally
isolated from all three leads to ac mains.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator field breaker |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Yes, I have the LR3 so I understand the CB would be best.
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator field breaker
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:24 PM 9/13/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone"
>><jrstone@insightbb.com>
>>
>>Can someone please tell me if an alternator field breaker is required
>>prior to the switch that controls it
>>Can I use a slot in my fuze panel instead?
>>Others have used 5amps to protect the circuit, does this sound about
>>right?
>>Thanks,
>>Jim
>>HRII
>
> You can run a fuse if you don't use crowbar ov protection.
> It's the design goal of crowbar ov protection to deliberately
> open the upstream power protection . . . a CB has been
> recommended for ease of dealing with any nuisance trips.
>
> If you don't have ov protection or use some form of series
> switch ov protection, then supplying field current through
> a fuse is fine.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator field breaker |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bernard Despins <bdespins@telusplanet.net>
So if using the ov protection built into the LR3C from B & C Specialty,
you would suggest using a circuit breaker instead of a fuse?
Bernard Despins
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>>Can someone please tell me if an alternator field breaker is required
>>prior to the switch that controls it
>>Can I use a slot in my fuze panel instead?
>>
>>
>>
>
> You can run a fuse if you don't use crowbar ov protection.
>
>
> If you don't have ov protection or use some form of series
> switch ov protection, then supplying field current through
> a fuse is fine.
>
> Bob . . .
>
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| Subject: | Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Berg" <wfberg@msn.com>
Does anyone have a source for tire valve extentions that avoids having to remove
wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've seen the add before but have lost
the flier.
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Berg" <wfberg@msn.com>
>
> Does anyone have a source for tire valve extentions that avoids having to
> remove wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've seen the add before but have
> lost the flier.
Try:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/Valve-ext.htm
I have one here in UK from them. Works great!
Gerry Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rv-9a-online <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=VSE5
Vern Little RV-9A
Do Not Archive
Wayne Berg wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Berg" <wfberg@msn.com>
>
>Does anyone have a source for tire valve extentions that avoids having to remove
wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've seen the add before but have lost
the flier.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Wayne Berg wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Berg" <wfberg@msn.com>
>
> Does anyone have a source for tire valve extentions that avoids having to remove
wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've seen the add before but have lost
the flier.
>
I picked some up at a local auto parts store
(Autozone I think). You should be able to find them
just about anywhere.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
Does anyone have a source for tire valve extentions that avoids having to
remove wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've seen the add before but
have lost the flier.
>
Didn't know such thing existed - if the tire has an extensiion exceeding
the pant, how does it turn ? :)
I've got capped holes on the pants - remove the cap, inflate replace the
cap. Valves are a bit far and awkward to reach, but doable (would like to
extend them a bit if sshort extensions are available; the auto ones are too
long).
Rumen
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Michael J. Dark" <darkmich@wsu.edu>
Has anyone looked at this for any applications? I'm not sure how it
would hold up corrosion and shielding-wise, but it seems interesting
for threading cable runs in tight spots.
http://www.decord.com/dewire.htm
--
Michael J. Dark, D.V.M.
darkmich@wsu.edu
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| Subject: | Avionics Wiring Hub |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the Fast Stack wiring hubs offered by
Approach Systems.
http://www.approach-systems.com/test.asp
I'm curious as to the pro's and con's of constructing one myself for use in
a homebuilt aircraft. Does anyone have any experience with such a project?
Could it be constructed in something like an aluminum Radio Shack "project
box" which would be riveted/bolted to the cockpit side of the firewall?
Would it be okay to carry the power and ground leads through the box to a DB
connector, that would be connected to the individual avionics fuses/circuit
breakers and the avionics ground bus?
Any other "gotchas" anybody can think of?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
rd2@evenlink.com wrote:
> Didn't know such thing existed - if the tire has an extensiion exceeding
> the pant, how does it turn ? :)
>
> I've got capped holes on the pants - remove the cap, inflate replace the
> cap. Valves are a bit far and awkward to reach, but doable (would like to
> extend them a bit if sshort extensions are available; the auto ones are too
> long).
>
> Rumen
Hi Rumen,
You temporarily put the extensions on to allow you
to put air in easily, them remove them before moving
the plane. Basically, remove the wheel pant cap, screw on the
extension, check air, remove the extension, and put
the cap back on your wheel pant.
Hope this helps! :-)
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
This really isn't an electrical topic but it was on the aeroelectric list so
I will respond.
Do not archive
The valve extension is like a long valve stem that is removable and not on
the plane when it flies. To use it, you remove your normal valve stem cap
by using some sort of gadget that you reach in through the little hole you
have in your wheel pants. Of course you need to have your tire marked so
you know when the valve stem is perfectly in line with the hole. After
removing the cover/cap from the valve stem you insert your special valve
stem extension thing and screw it on. I bought mine from Cleveland. About
$10 but maybe more with shipping and all. Screw the extension on the stem
solidly but not too much. Then your tire pump goes on the extension. When
done, unscrew the extension and reattach your cap on the stem using your
gadget. My gadget is a piece of fuel line epoxied onto a 1/4' wood dowel.
Hope this helps understand how it works.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker (wired per Bob Nuckolls manual)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" Happiness: like a butterfly, when pursued,
is always beyond our grasp, but which,
if one sits quietly, may light upon you."
Nathanial Hawthorn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
----- Original Message -----
From: <rd2@evenlink.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tire valve extension
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
>
>>
> Does anyone have a source for tire valve extentions that avoids having to
> remove wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've seen the add before but
> have lost the flier.
>>
>
> Didn't know such thing existed - if the tire has an extensiion exceeding
> the pant, how does it turn ? :)
>
> I've got capped holes on the pants - remove the cap, inflate replace the
> cap. Valves are a bit far and awkward to reach, but doable (would like to
> extend them a bit if sshort extensions are available; the auto ones are
> too
> long).
>
> Rumen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
This a bit far out there, but since this is the Aero-Electric list I
will bring it up anyway. I'm wondering how some vehicles in the the
auto/motorcycle world manage to monitor tire pressures, and could this
be easily adapted to OBAM aircraft?
Mark S.
> Didn't know such thing existed - if the tire has an extensiion
exceeding
> the pant, how does it turn ? :)
>
> I've got capped holes on the pants - remove the cap, inflate replace
the
> cap. Valves are a bit far and awkward to reach, but doable (would like
to
> extend them a bit if sshort extensions are available; the auto ones
are too
> long).
>
> Rumen
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sgettings@cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: rd2@evenlink.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tire valve extension
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by:
rd2@evenlink.com
>
>
> >
> Does anyone have a source for tire valve
extentions that avoids
> having to
> remove wheel pants to inflate tires? I know I've
seen the add
> before but
> have lost the flier.
> >
>
> Didn't know such thing existed - if the tire has
an extensiion
> exceedingthe pant, how does it turn ? :)
>
> I've got capped holes on the pants - remove the
cap, inflate
> replace the
> cap. Valves are a bit far and awkward to reach,
but doable (would
> like to
> extend them a bit if sshort extensions are
available; the auto ones
> are too
> long).
>
> Rumen
>
Try MSC Industrial Direct, page 2406:
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=2406&PMT4NO=1377093&PMT4TP=*ITPD
Scott Gettings
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| Subject: | Avionics Wiring Hub |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Having kinda "been there" before I can offer you this.
For a simple VFR setup (radio,audio,Transponder and alitude encoder) it
was about as much as I wanted to do in terms of complexity by buying the
boxes and wiring from scratch. It was made somewhat confusing because
different manufacturers call the same wiring terminal by different
names. So trying to get the right output into the right input of the
next box caused some head scratching.
I guess I spent at least 10 hours of wiring all those pesky connectors,
fourtunatly I did not make any mistakes.
I'm now just about to wire and IFR airplane and there is no way I'm
doing that myself from scratch.
For me it was either the approach system or get a custom harness made.
Quite honestly I found John Stark's pricing on a custom harness to be
very reasonable, in fact his avionics pricing looked a little cheaper
than most others making the custom harness pretty cheap considering the
work it avoided.
The Approach system looked very flexible but unless I was intending to
do upgrades I had a hard time seeing the point.
I think if you are considering building one you are opting for an awful
lot of work...If you do this stuff evry day or you're an electronics
hobbyist maybe but to me I got better things to do.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Denton
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Avionics Wiring Hub
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
--> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the Fast Stack wiring hubs
offered by Approach Systems.
http://www.approach-systems.com/test.asp
I'm curious as to the pro's and con's of constructing one myself for use
in a homebuilt aircraft. Does anyone have any experience with such a
project?
Could it be constructed in something like an aluminum Radio Shack
"project box" which would be riveted/bolted to the cockpit side of the
firewall?
Would it be okay to carry the power and ground leads through the box to
a DB connector, that would be connected to the individual avionics
fuses/circuit breakers and the avionics ground bus?
Any other "gotchas" anybody can think of?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Look in Street Rod Magazine. If memory serves me, there was c company
that made valve stems that were about 3/4 of an inch longer than regular
valve stems. Don't know if they are still available or if the company is
even in existence.
Allen Barrett
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
R Steitle
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tire valve extension
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
<mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
This a bit far out there, but since this is the Aero-Electric list I
will bring it up anyway. I'm wondering how some vehicles in the the
auto/motorcycle world manage to monitor tire pressures, and could this
be easily adapted to OBAM aircraft?
Mark S.
> Didn't know such thing existed - if the tire has an extensiion
exceeding
> the pant, how does it turn ? :)
>
> I've got capped holes on the pants - remove the cap, inflate replace
the
> cap. Valves are a bit far and awkward to reach, but doable (would like
to
> extend them a bit if sshort extensions are available; the auto ones
are too
> long).
>
> Rumen
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| Subject: | My Z-13/Z-20 Changes (Opinions and a Question) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I've taken Z-13/Z-20 and modified it a bit for a RV-10 with the battery
in the tail.
Please have a look and let me know if somethings just plain wrong. ( be
gentle, I'm new at this :) )
<http://rv10.stephensville.com/myZ13-20K.pdf>
1. Moved main power distribution bus feed from battery contactor to
starter contactor.
2. Local airframe ground of the main battery in the tail.
The question I have is the feed from the e-bus contactor (will be up
front in the plane) and the fuselink on that feed to the battery bus in
the tail. Suggestions for resizing these for an ~8 foot run up to the
front? Any other precautions there?
TIA...
-Sean RV-10 #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator field breaker |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:51 AM 9/14/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bernard Despins
><bdespins@telusplanet.net>
>
>So if using the ov protection built into the LR3C from B & C Specialty,
>you would suggest using a circuit breaker instead of a fuse?
>
>Bernard Despins
Correct. This is shown on all drawings provided by B&C and by
the 'Connection where the B&C products are illustrated.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: My Z-13/Z-20 Changes (Opinions and a Question) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Sorry, meant to say "Z-13/20"
do not archive
Sean Stephens wrote:
> I've taken Z-13/Z-20 and modified it a bit for a RV-10 with the
> battery in the tail.
>
> Please have a look and let me know if somethings just plain wrong. (
> be gentle, I'm new at this :) )
>
> <http://rv10.stephensville.com/myZ13-20K.pdf>
>
> 1. Moved main power distribution bus feed from battery contactor to
> starter contactor.
> 2. Local airframe ground of the main battery in the tail.
>
> The question I have is the feed from the e-bus contactor (will be up
> front in the plane) and the fuselink on that feed to the battery bus
> in the tail. Suggestions for resizing these for an ~8 foot run up to
> the front? Any other precautions there?
>
> TIA...
>
> -Sean RV-10 #40303
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire valve extension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bob McCallum" <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
Mark;
Many of the automotive systems are radio transmitters which replace the
valve caps and send a signal to a central monitoring panel. Some are capable
of monitoring up to 34 tyres. Some give an actual pressure reading, others
just notify you of a change in pressure greater than some preset value.
There should be no reason why they wouldn't work in an aircraft. A google
search for "tyre pressure monitors" or "tyre inflation monitors" will give
hundreds of hits to check out the offerings.
Bob McC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
> This a bit far out there, but since this is the Aero-Electric list I
> will bring it up anyway. I'm wondering how some vehicles in the the
> auto/motorcycle world manage to monitor tire pressures, and could this
> be easily adapted to OBAM aircraft?
>
> Mark S.
>
>
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