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1. 04:26 AM - Really Dead Concorde RG Battery (MikeEasley@aol.com)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: Alternator Noise (LarryRobertHelming)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: Really Dead Concorde RG Battery (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 06:15 AM - IR alternator (Franz Fux)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: IR alternator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Really Dead Concorde RG Battery (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 07:55 AM - Re: Off the topic - Buss (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: Alternator Noise (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: Alternator Noise (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 08:50 AM - In honor of the "Repeatable Experiment". (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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Subject: | Really Dead Concorde RG Battery |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
My aircraft has been down for paint and interior for about 8 months. I went
to charge my two 25ah RG batteries, one did fine, the other was so dead it
wouldn't even take a charge. I must have left a small overhead lamp on and
ran it all the way down to zero. I'm getting less than 1/10 volt. My car
charger is the automatic type. Can I resurrect my battery?
Mike Easley
Lancair ES
Colorado Springs
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Subject: | Re: Alternator Noise |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I had some noise develop with my alternator that could be heard in the
headsets. The whine would change with rpm speed. Not real bad noise but I
could hear it and it was not there before. Then after a couple of hours of
flying time with the noise, the alternator died. After replacing it with
like kind (rebuilt from AutoZone) I did an autopsy. It showed signs of
being very hot. Also two of the three screws that hold the two halves
together had somehow become less than tight. You might check that. The
brushes looked fine. I am not sure what actually died in it to cause it to
fail. It turned smoothly. Mine was/is an externally regulated 77 Honda
Civic 35amp.
I am supplying more cooling air to the back of the replacement. I got 62
hours of service out of the failed one.
Indiana Larry in Evansville, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pack" <jpack@advancedmd.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Noise
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Pack" <jpack@advancedmd.com>
>
> I've got some pretty heavy Radio noise that I've traced to my Alternator.
> I cut the alternator and - Quite.
>
> Any suggestions on where to look? It's a B&C 60 amp.
>
> - Jim
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Really Dead Concorde RG Battery |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Do you fly at night? You don't say how old the battery is. But why work
with a battery that might not take a charge even if you get it over this
hump?? You could replace the bad one and make a policy of swapping out the
oldest one every year so you know you have at least one new, reliable
battery in the plane. Have you read Bob's recommendation on batteries?
Indiana Larry in Evansville, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker
----- Original Message -----
From: <MikeEasley@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Really Dead Concorde RG Battery
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
> My aircraft has been down for paint and interior for about 8 months. I
> went
> to charge my two 25ah RG batteries, one did fine, the other was so dead
> it
> wouldn't even take a charge. I must have left a small overhead lamp on
> and
> ran it all the way down to zero. I'm getting less than 1/10 volt. My
> car
> charger is the automatic type. Can I resurrect my battery?
>
> Mike Easley
> Lancair ES
> Colorado Springs
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Franz Fux" <franz@lastfrontierheli.com>
Hi group,
I have an internally regulated 60v alternator from Vans as supplied in the
firewall foreward kit. I have wired it according to Bob's drawing Z11 with
the additional protection according to his drawing, using the
contactor(S701-1) he suggested. It is a prewired contactor that has a small
wire from the battery side to the smaller post where also the one side of
the diode terminates. Each time I turn on the battery this wire burns
through. I have checked all connections and they are according to Bob's
drawings. I am wondering if anybody could help me safe this puzzle and may
know what could be causing this short.
Thanks in advance
Franz Fux
C-FUXI reserved
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Subject: | Re: IR alternator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:14 AM 10/8/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Franz Fux"
><franz@lastfrontierheli.com>
>
>Hi group,
>I have an internally regulated 60v alternator from Vans as supplied in the
>firewall foreward kit. I have wired it according to Bob's drawing Z11 with
>the additional protection according to his drawing, using the
>contactor(S701-1) he suggested. It is a prewired contactor that has a small
>wire from the battery side to the smaller post where also the one side of
>the diode terminates. Each time I turn on the battery this wire burns
>through. I have checked all connections and they are according to Bob's
>drawings. I am wondering if anybody could help me safe this puzzle and may
>know what could be causing this short.
The contactor you purchased had certain features pre-installed
for the device to serve as a BATTERY contactor. If you study the
z-figures for battery contactor wiring, you'll see that a wire
between one of the fat terminals (battery side) connects to an
adjacent small terminal. This wire is not shown in the old Z-24
depiction of a b-lead contactor. You need to remove this jumper
for use as a b-lead contactor.
Be aware that while Figure Z-24 (and documents describing installation
of B&C over voltage protection products) increase risk for damage to
an alternator if the alternator is switched off under load. The system
you've installed WILL fulfill its intended purpose for absolute control
of alternator combined with over-voltage protection. Just be aware that
the alternator should not be switched off until after the engine stops
except in cases of system malfunction where the alternator must be
shut off due to OV condition -or- other reasons (like smoke in cockpit)
where it's more important to get things electric shut down than it
is to worry about hazards to the alternator.
Studies are under way to devise an alternative to Z-24 so as to
reduce if not eliminate risks to the alternator . . . in the mean
time, you're on solid ground to proceed with an awareness of risks
and operating procedures in place to mitigate those risks.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Really Dead Concorde RG Battery |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:24 AM 10/8/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
>My aircraft has been down for paint and interior for about 8 months. I went
>to charge my two 25ah RG batteries, one did fine, the other was so dead it
>wouldn't even take a charge. I must have left a small overhead lamp on and
>ran it all the way down to zero. I'm getting less than 1/10 volt. My car
>charger is the automatic type. Can I resurrect my battery?
Probably not. In fact I'll say no. This has been much too long a period
of time for a battery to set in a discharged condition.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Off the topic - Buss |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 01:13 PM 10/7/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
><jschroeder@perigee.net>
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>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Ferg -
>
>You are entirely correct. Google is great but not for getting correct
>spellings. No flames from me :-))
An always-hot link on my browser is to http://m-w.com . . . a very
useful on-line resource.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Alternator Noise |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 11:06 PM 10/7/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Pack" <jpack@advancedmd.com>
>
>I've got some pretty heavy Radio noise that I've traced to my
>Alternator. I cut the alternator and - Quite.
>
>Any suggestions on where to look? It's a B&C 60 amp.
>
>- Jim
Have you reviewed chapter 16? There are a number of possible
cause/effect scenarios that could be operating here. You need
to investigate them and have results of those investigations
in-hand when you toss the problem into the group.
Has the noise always been there? What kind of ground system are
you using? Have you done the independent battery tests to determine
the pathway by which the noise is getting into your headsets? Have
you opened signal pathways and/or adjusted volume controls to deduce
what part of your system is the real victim? Are your microphone and
headset jacks insulated from airframe? It's answers to these questions
that will be necessary for you or anyone else to deduce a plan of
attack for eliminating the noise.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Alternator Noise |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:09 AM 10/8/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
><lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>I had some noise develop with my alternator that could be heard in the
>headsets. The whine would change with rpm speed. Not real bad noise but I
>could hear it and it was not there before. Then after a couple of hours of
>flying time with the noise, the alternator died. After replacing it with
>like kind (rebuilt from AutoZone) I did an autopsy. It showed signs of
>being very hot. Also two of the three screws that hold the two halves
>together had somehow become less than tight. You might check that. The
>brushes looked fine. I am not sure what actually died in it to cause it to
>fail. It turned smoothly. Mine was/is an externally regulated 77 Honda
>Civic 35amp.
>
>I am supplying more cooling air to the back of the replacement. I got 62
>hours of service out of the failed one.
What got hot? Wires? I suspect one or more shorted diodes . . . which
MAY be linked to inadequate cooling. Is there anything about your
installation
that is unique compared with other aircraft? I can tell you that the
average alternator installation on an OBAM aircraft would probably not
pass the part 23 cooling test for hot day, Vy climb at max load. However,
given that nobody operates their airplane this way, 99.9% of what might
be called "inadequate" installations perform just fine. If you still have
the dead machine, I'd be pleased to dissect it in more detail.
In the mean time, more cooling never hurts but without real data
(thermocouples
in the windings) you can never be 100% sure that you've fixed anything.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | In honor of the "Repeatable Experiment". |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
I've often used the term "repeatable experiment" much to the
consternation and derision of some here on the list so it seems
appropriate to take two lessons from the planned investigations
into alternator performance and operating characteristics under
abnormal conditions.
I just received a shiny new ND alternator from one of the
participants in this activity. Thank you Mr. Coggins! I'll
endeavor to please you with a useful return on your investment.
I've been talking with the folks who own the big variable speed
drive and they're quite willing to give me access to it. However,
after studying the brackets needed to mount a small, belt driven
alternator on it and then constrict my study to time when they're
open (my normal work hours) the time-to-first-test-results seems
like it will be greater than if I were to build my own drive stand
tailored to the task. I have a 2 hp DC motor and variable speed
drive controller for it. My father-in-law is going to craft
a fixture to hold the motor and alternator.
In the mean time, I've shifted discussions with my old employer
about trading some gray-matter time for an old environmental
chamber they've relegated to the mod shop and are using as an
oven for curing epoxies. This was the first chamber we ever owned
and I was the first to operate the thing after it was purchased
in 1976 for about $1200. If I can refurbish this ol' dog into
operating condition, I'll end up with a tool that will allow me
to test from -55C to +70C to explore temperature related issues
with small articles that will fit in the chamber (it's about
1 cubic foot in volume).
So, we're moving ahead with both tools and test articles to explore
the burning questions we have about alternator performance and system
integration. We're also crafting a series of experiments to be
conducted with these tools and materials for the purpose of gathering
data. Data will permit a deduction and crafting of activities that
enable integration of these alternators into our aircraft with
confidence and understanding.
I'll start a series of pages on the website that will chronicle
the experiment(s) in detail. The goals are (1) to arrive at useful
conclusions about the topic under investigation (alternators) AND
(2) to demonstrate and illustrate what is meant by "repeatable
experiment". There will be no detail of the activity purposefully
concealed or ignored. All questions about the process will be
forthrightly addressed; all constructive critical review welcomed.
My intention is to provide sufficient details on the whole
process so that anyone who chooses may repeat the experiment
to the end that data acquired and deductions crafted are VALIDATED
by others. I'll suggest that repeatable experiments are the most powerful
tools in science wherein activities carried in the lab by ONE ultimately
become activities carried out in the shop by MANY; the EXPERIMENT
morphs from an exploration ideas to a PROCESS by which the MANY
will derive benefits of performance and confidence in soundness
of design.
This should be fun. To my way of thinking, this is what engineering
is all about.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Cochran" <mac@atac.com>
>Eric,
>I couldn't find any data about the Exitair smoke hood's capabilities to
>protect against carbon monoxide. The Exitair may be an adequate device to
>use for escape if you're already on the deck. A better choice to carry in
>the cockpit may be a hood that does filter CO, such as the Evac-U8.
>Combined
>with an in-flight CO detector, a CO-filtering hood could provide the
>necessary time to land the aircraft from altitude if CO is detected, or
>there is smoke or a fire. Yes, the Evac-U8 and similar are more expensive
>and take up more space, but....
Mark,
I didn't think the CO problem went much much beyond detectors. In the even
of CO in the cabin, close the heat (and forward air vents), get outside air.
I'd hate to have to land an airplane in one of those hoods.
>Would be very interested to know more about firewall alternatives, can you
>point us in the right direction? Mark Cochran
There is no prescription like the stainless steel sheet mentioned by the FAA
advisory circular AC20-135. The FAA says you can do it some other way but
must prove it. The test is not hard, but you should probably get the buy-in
of the person who will sign off your airworthiness certifcate, or you risk
disappointment.
Check http://www.3m.com/market/industrial/ceramics/ and go from there.
Remember that you really want a number of layers.
a) Cosmetic and perhaps reflective. Lots of stuff looks like heck after a
few hours under the cowl, and it must be fuel proof, etc.
b) FAA flame barrier 2000 F, 15 minute without burn-thru.
c) Acoustic barrier (optional)
The FAA requirement for flame barriers seems to be in flux right now. We'll
see.....
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have
to ram it down their throats."
-- Howard Aiken
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Subject: | Re: Off the topic - pronunciations & |
spelling
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
spelling
This is the only country in the world with the concept of the "Spelling
Bee". No other language has such a dastardly set of exceptions for every
rule. We should all convert to Russian and be done with our spelling problems.
Dave Morris
At 10:07 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>Man, I hope that's all tongue-in-cheek. "Mispellings," (sic)
>indeed... You almost had me taking the bait.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Harold Kovac <kayce33@earthlink.net>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Off the topic - pronunciations & spelling
>
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac"
><kayce33@earthlink.net>
>
>
> It is interesting to note that the "leader of the free world" and many
> of the
>congress cannot pronounce the word "NOO Q LAR" (nuclear).
> Also how many times I note the lack of understanding that there is a
>difference between your (belonging to) and you're (the contraction for you
>are). this poor spelling has been going on for at least 30+ years when
>checking
>a childs homework pointing out a mispelled word and being told that the
>teacher
>said it's al-right as long as you get your thoughts down. This same teacher
>later sent a note home with mispellings. Our educational system is in
>decline !
> "nuff" said
> kaycee
> Ferg
> > I can't wait for channel X Pajama Patty to refer to a meeting as a
> > rendess-vowse.
> Stop it!
>
> > Ferg
> > flames expected
> As an ex-Fighter Pilot I think you can defend yourself well!
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry in UK where is English is spoken particularly badly!!
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Check out Jeff's F1 Rocket Page |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com
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Subject: | LINKS - Jeff's F1 Rocket Page |
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Subject: | Fwd: Check out ACME Mapper @ N 36.391337 W 105.27891, |
8 m/p
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Subject: | Fwd: A MAN AND HIS GRASS-ROOTS SPACE SHIP |
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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Core engine prices
From: "Bob Condrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
2. lycoming breather tube
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
3. Re: lycoming breather tube
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
4. Re: lycoming breather tube
From: "grhanka" <ghanka@skybest.com>
5. Re: lycoming breather tube
From: "Mark Richardson" <rv8bldr@gmail.com>
6. Re: Re: lycoming breather tube
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
7. Re: Re: lycoming breather tube
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
8. Re: fixed pitch to CS conversion
From: "mark" <mark2nite@yahoo.com>
9. Re: fixed pitch to CS conversion
From: "mark" <mark2nite@yahoo.com>
Message: 1
From: "Bob Condrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: Re: Core engine prices
Hamilton,
I found a good deal on a 540 through Wentworth in Minneapolis.
Here's the link http://www.wentworthaircraft.com and Steve is
probably the best person to talk to up there. Email me off-line and
I'll give you more info if you're interested.
Bob RV-10 #40105
--- In lycoming@yahoogroups.com, "Hamilton Cartwright" <hamc101@b...>
wrote:
>
>
> I am in the market for a IO-540-D4A5 and am getting a wide price
> range on what a cores are worth or run outs . I have seen core for
> $6000to$10500 with 2000+ since overhaul . I would take a rebuild
for
> aprox $23,000 with O time since major . Does anybody have any
> thoughts on this or what are others running into .I am hearing that
> the RV-10 is driving used equipment prices up .
> Thanks
> Hamilton Cartwright
> 40238
> emp. finshed
> wings finished
> waiting for QB fuse
Message: 2
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
Subject: lycoming breather tube
Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing
forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is going on). They don't show
any
exhaust stack in relation to the breather tube. How important is it to mount
the bend in the tube forward and should I have mounted the breather tube so
that the overflow would have landed on the hot exhaust or just let the crap
fall on the inside of the cowl?
Also, they hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one because I
didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's attached to the
shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or should I go with what Van's
sort of drew?
thx,
lucky
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Message: 3
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: lycoming breather tube
----- Original Message -----
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
Subject: [lycoming] lycoming breather tube
Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing forwards
(looking kind of like a ram air effect is going on).
I think the forward bend is just to get around the bottom around the firwall
flange. It should not be low enough to be hanging down in the air stream.
They don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the breather tube. How
important is it to mount the bend in the tube forward and should I have mounted
the breather tube so that the overflow would have landed on the hot exhaust
or just let the crap fall on the inside of the cowl?
I have chosen to let the output fall right on the top of the exhaust pipe.
The amount of bad stuff that comes out is not great but it can be messy if
you let it get on the belly or fall into your cowling bottom.
Also, they hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one because I
didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's attached to the
shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or should I go with what Van's
sort of drew?
I have a rubber tube at the top where it connects to the engine and then to
the metal tube. The metal tube is at the bottom. Only one clamp holds the
metal tube to the firewall. Clamps hold the rubber tube to the breather output
and to the connecting metal tube. I only used about half the metal tube.
Remember to put a whistle slot near the top of the rubber hose where it
connects to the breather output. Larry in Indiana
thx,
lucky
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Message: 4
From: "grhanka" <ghanka@skybest.com>
Subject: Re: lycoming breather tube
It seems important that the whistle slot be in high pressure
relative to the breather tube exit, otherwise ram air will blow into
the exit and out of the whistle slot, carrying all the crankcase
fumes and oil mist right onto your mags, firewall, etc.
IMO, the breather tube exit should be half-inch stainless clamped
directly to the end of an exhaust pipe, to keep the vapors
vaporized. If stainless OD = rubber tube ID the connection will be
simple. If you drip onto an exhaust then blowing a slug of oil out
the breather might start a little fire. There have been a few oil
fires on Honda CRVs, which have the oil filter mounted right above
the exhaust manifold.
gordon
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<lhelming@s...> wrote:
>
>
> Remember to put a whistle slot near the top of the rubber hose
> where it connects to the breather output. Larry in Indiana
>
>
Message: 5
From: "Mark Richardson" <rv8bldr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: lycoming breather tube
Hi Lucky
I had mounted mine to land on an exhaust pipe at the bottom, and my
inspector made me move it at final inspection It now points overboard
essentially aft between the two pipes. The other thing I had to do was
drill a 1/4" about 6 inches up from the end of the tube such that if
the end of the tube became blocked with ice or something, there would
be a pressure relief hole.
I know this arrangement works as I filled my IO-360-A3B6D with 8
liters of oil, only to have about a liter of it sprayed onto the
bottom of the fuselage. Not a big deal as I haven't painted yet.
Cheers
Mark
--- In lycoming@yahoogroups.com, luckymacy@c... wrote:
>
> Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing
forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is going on). They
don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the breather tube. How
important is it to mount the bend in the tube forward and should I
have mounted the breather tube so that the overflow would have landed
on the hot exhaust or just let the crap fall on the inside of the cowl?
>
> Also, they hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one
because I didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's
attached to the shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or
should I go with what Van's sort of drew?
>
>
> thx,
> lucky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Message: 6
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Re: lycoming breather tube
Interesting and contradictory in a couple of ways to what "dumb ol
americans" experimental builder seem to do. :-)
One diff is to cut a fine slit in the rubber hose (Larry says about an inch
long) as opposed to drilling a hole in the tube. Normal pressure will keep
the slit closed but an outright blockages will open the slit up for relief.
Second is the dripping of the oil onto the exhaust and getting "away" with
it during inspection and operations.
"Canadian way" may be better. I'll think about it some today. Hate to pull
it off to drill a freakin' hole. ;-)
Lucky
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Hi Lucky
I had mounted mine to land on an exhaust pipe at the bottom, and my
inspector made me move it at final inspection It now points overboard
essentially aft between the two pipes. The other thing I had to do was
drill a 1/4" about 6 inches up from the end of the tube such that if
the end of the tube became blocked with ice or something, there would
be a pressure relief hole.
I know this arrangement works as I filled my IO-360-A3B6D with 8
liters of oil, only to have about a liter of it sprayed onto the
bottom of the fuselage. Not a big deal as I haven't painted yet.
Cheers
Mark
--- In lycoming@yahoogroups.com, luckymacy@c... wrote:
>
> Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing
forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is going on). They
don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the breather tube. How
important is it to mount the bend in the tube forward and should I
have mounted the breather tube so that the overflow would have landed
on the hot exhaust or just let the crap fall on the inside of the cowl?
>
> Also, they hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one
because I didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's
attached to the shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or
should I go with what Van's sort of drew?
>
>
> thx,
> lucky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 7
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: Re: lycoming breather tube
Just a comment on Mark's input. I just got my airworthiness certificate and
my DAR showed no concern about the breather exit pipe/tube being about 1/4"
directly above the Vetterman exhaust pipe right at the cowling exit gap. He
looked at it closely and commented about the new method of hanging the
supports for the exhaust off the engine rather than the engine mount. As I
understand it, not that much oil junk should come out of the breather if you don't
overfill and you stay in positive G. I am not going to put more than 6
quarts in to minimize the amount that gets spit back out and I will monitor the
oil level closely at each stop/startup to make sure I stay above 5. Indiana
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Richardson
Subject: [lycoming] Re: lycoming breather tube
Hi Lucky
I had mounted mine to land on an exhaust pipe at the bottom, and my
inspector made me move it at final inspection It now points overboard
essentially aft between the two pipes. The other thing I had to do was
drill a 1/4" about 6 inches up from the end of the tube such that if
the end of the tube became blocked with ice or something, there would
be a pressure relief hole.
I know this arrangement works as I filled my IO-360-A3B6D with 8
liters of oil, only to have about a liter of it sprayed onto the
bottom of the fuselage. Not a big deal as I haven't painted yet.
Cheers
Mark
--- In lycoming@yahoogroups.com, luckymacy@c... wrote:
>
> Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing
forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is going on). They
don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the breather tube. How
important is it to mount the bend in the tube forward and should I
have mounted the breather tube so that the overflow would have landed
on the hot exhaust or just let the crap fall on the inside of the cowl?
>
> Also, they hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one
because I didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's
attached to the shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or
should I go with what Van's sort of drew?
>
>
> thx,
> lucky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 8
From: "mark" <mark2nite@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fixed pitch to CS conversion
FWIW about OSH award winner
From: "Rosales, Paul" <rosales@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] We've upgraded to a Hartzell prop, yea!
As I wrote before, Pop, myself, Todd, Subie and Smokey were able to
get
the C/S prop installed on Saturday, and I even fired up the engine,
however, the cowl did not fit. The spinner backing plate was up
against
the cowl on the left and right sides of the spinner with (maybe) 1/8"
on
the top and bottom.
Todd & Hog arrived L00 about 9am on Sunday morning, and I was ready to
start cutting at the cowl when Todd said 'What do you think about
putting spacers on the firewall and moving the engine forward....YEA
MAN!' I see that Laird also did the same thing when he upgraded (just
saw the post late last night).
I got an engine hoist today, and with Smokey's help, it took about 3
hours to get 0.200" of spacers behind the six mount points. I have
about 3/8" around the spinner and it looks good.
I called in to work today (I work swings) and told them I'd be in REAL
late. I was able to get 3 hours flight testing in, and there was NO
WIND here (rare). I was able to get data for my 2400 RPM Test point
from 12.5K down to 7.5K where I hit 24 squared. I hope to finish up on
Thursday. Here are some data points:
12.5K (pressure altitude), 160 KTAS
11.5K: 162 KTAS
10.5K: 166 KTAS
9.5K: 168 KTAS
8.5K: 169 KTAS
7.5K: 170 KTAS (24 squared)
The governor is set for maximum of 2600 rpm (I did not change anything
from the setting Jeff Farrar was running it on his -8A). I went from
the 83 fixed pitch Sensenich to the Hartzell and it's a kick in the
pants!!!! Once the prop 'bites' that air, the acceleration is SO MUCH
different that when running a fixed pitch prop. At takeoff, I was half
fuel and climbed at 2600 fpm for bit after takeoff :-)
I'm liking this a LOT!!!! Rosie
Message: 9
From: "mark" <mark2nite@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fixed pitch to CS conversion
more posts about FP to CS. FWIW
From: "Gary A. Sobek" <GASobek@Comcast.net>
Subject: Rosie's flying with his new prop
Just got off the phone with Paul.
He has 3 of his 5 hours flying done.
It was unbeleavable listening to him talk about the experience. I
could see that RV Smile on his face over the phone.
Will let him tell everyone how much different (for the better) the
airplane performance is.
I do not want to say that he picked up 20 Kts speed or that he had a
2,800 fpm climb to 5,000 feet out of WJF solo with 1/2 fuel.
All this with an engine that has over 2,000 hours since new and has
never had any internal work done on it.
Wish I did not have to work during the day so that I could go CHASE
him around the sky.
Gary
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Topics in this
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1. Re: Core engine prices
From: "Bob Condrey"
bob.condrey@baesystems.com
2. lycoming breather
tube
From:
luckymacy@comcast.net
3. Re: lycoming breather
tube
From: "LarryRobertHelming"
lhelming@sigecom.net
4. Re: lycoming breather
tube
From: "grhanka"
ghanka@skybest.com
5. Re: lycoming breather
tube
From: "Mark Richardson"
rv8bldr@gmail.com
6. Re: Re: lycoming breather
tube
From:
luckymacy@comcast.net
7. Re: Re: lycoming breather
tube
From: "LarryRobertHelming"
lhelming@sigecom.net
8. Re: fixed pitch to CS
conversion
From: "mark"
mark2nite@yahoo.com
9. Re: fixed pitch to CS
conversion
From: "mark"
mark2nite@yahoo.com
Message:
1
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005
19:00:09 -0000
From: "Bob Condrey"
bob.condrey@baesystems.com
Subject: Re: Core engine
prices
Hamilton,
I found a good deal on a 540 through
Wentworth in Minneapolis.
Here's the link
http://www.wentworthaircraft.com and Steve is
probably the best person to
talk to up there. Email me off-line and
I'll give you more info if
you're interested.
Bob RV-10 #40105
--- In
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wrote:
I am in the market for a IO-540-D4A5 and am
getting a wide price
range on what a cores are worth or run outs .=20I
have seen core for
$6000to$10500 with 2000+ since overhaul . I would
take a rebuild
for
aprox $23,000 with O time since major . Does
anybody have any
thoughts on this or what are others running into .I am
hearing that
the RV-10 is driving used equipment prices up .
Thanks
Hamilton Cartwright
40238
emp. finshed
wings finished
waiting for QB
fuse
Message:
2
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005
21:06:18 +0000
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
Subject: lycoming
breather tube
Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their
breather tube facing forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is going
on). They don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the breather
tube. How important is it to mount the bend in the tube forward and should
I have mounted the breather tube so that the overflow would have landed on the
hot exhaust or just let the crap fall on the inside of the cowl?
Also, they hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one
because I didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's attached to=20the
shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or should I go with what
Van's sort of drew?
thx,
lucky
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005
19:57:22 -0600
From: "LarryRobertHelming"
lhelming@sigecom.net
Subject: Re: lycoming breather
tube
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From:
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To: RV-List
Cc:
lycoming@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:06
PM
Subject: [lycoming] lycoming breather tube
Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing forwards
(looking kind of like a ram air effect is going on).
I think the forward bend is just to get around the bottom
around the firwall flange. It should not be low enough to be hanging down
in the air stream.
They don't show any exhaust stack in
relation to the breather tube. How important is it to mount the bend in
the tube forward and should I have mounted the breather tube so that the
overflow would have landed on the hot exhaust or just let the crap fall on the
inside of the cowl?
I have chosen to let the
output fall right on the top of the exhaust pipe. The amount of bad stuff
that comes out is not great but it can be messy if you let it get on the belly
or fall into your cowling bottom.
Also, they hint two adel clamps
should be used but I only used one because I didn't want to hard mount the tube
so much since it's attached to the shaking engine. Is that going to
generally be OK or should I go with what Van's sort of drew?
I have a rubber tube at the top where it connects to the
engine and then to the metal tube. The metal tube is at the bottom.
Only one clamp holds the metal tube to the firewall. Clamps hold the rubber=20tube
to the breather output and to the connecting metal tube. I only used about
half the metal tube. Remember to put a whistle slot near the top of
the rubber hose where it connects to the breather output. Larry=20in
Indiana
thx,
lucky
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005
13:51:59 -0000
From: "grhanka"
ghanka@skybest.com
Subject: Re: lycoming breather
tube
It seems important that the whistle slot be in high pressure
relative to the breather tube exit, otherwise ram air will blow into
the
exit and out of the whistle slot, carrying all the crankcase
fumes and oil
mist right onto your mags, firewall, etc.
IMO, the breather tube exit
should be half-inch stainless clamped
directly to the end of an exhaust
pipe, to keep the vapors
vaporized. If stainless OD rubber tube ID
the connection will be
simple. If you drip onto an exhaust then
blowing a slug of oil out
the breather might start a little fire.
There have been a few oil
fires on Honda CRVs, which have the oil filter
mounted right above
the exhaust manifold.
gordon
--- In
lycoming@yahoogroups.com, "LarryRobertHelming"
lhelming@s...
wrote:
Remember to put a whistle slot near the
top of the rubber hose
where it connects to the breather
output. Larry in Indiana
Message:
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005
14:01:25 -0000
From: "Mark Richardson"
rv8bldr@gmail.com
Subject: Re: lycoming breather
tube
Hi Lucky
I had mounted mine to land on an exhaust
pipe at the bottom, and my
inspector made me move it at final inspection=20It
now points overboard
essentially aft between the two pipes. The other thing I
had to do was
drill a 1/4" about 6 inches up from the end of the tube such
that if
the end of the tube became blocked with ice or something, there
would
be a pressure relief hole.
I know this arrangement works as=20I
filled my IO-360-A3B6D with 8
liters of oil, only to have about a liter of it
sprayed onto the
bottom of the fuselage. Not a big deal as I haven't painted
yet.
Cheers
Mark
--- In lycoming@yahoogroups.com,
luckymacy@c... wrote:
Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of
their breather tube facing
forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is
going on). They
don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the
breather tube. How
important is it to mount the bend in the tube
forward and should I
have mounted the breather tube so that the overflow
would have landed
on the hot exhaust or just let the crap fall on the inside
of the cowl?
Also, they hint two adel clamps should=20be
used but I only used one
because I didn't want to hard mount the tube so=20much
since it's
attached to the shaking engine. Is that going to generally
be OK or
should I go with what Van's sort of drew?
thx,
lucky
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6
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005
15:32:19 +0000
From: luckymacy@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Re:
lycoming breather tube
Interesting and contradictory in a couple=20of
ways to what "dumb ol americans" experimental builder seem to do.
:-)
One diff is to cut a fine slit in the rubber hose (Larry says about
an inch long) as opposed to drilling a hole in the tube. Normal pressure
will keep the slit closed but an outright blockages will open the slit up for
relief.
Second is the dripping of the oil onto the exhaust and getting
"away" with it during inspection and operations.
"Canadian way" may=20be
better. I'll think about it some today. Hate to pull it off to drill
a freakin' hole. ;-)
Lucky
-------------- Original message
--------------
Hi Lucky
I had mounted mine to land on an
exhaust pipe at the bottom, and my
inspector made me move it at final
inspection It now points overboard
essentially aft between the two pipes. The
other thing I had to do was
drill a 1/4" about 6 inches up from the end of
the tube such that if
the end of the tube became blocked with ice or
something, there would
be a pressure relief hole.
I know this
arrangement works as I filled my IO-360-A3B6D with 8
liters of oil, only=20to
have about a liter of it sprayed onto the
bottom of the fuselage. Not a big
deal as I haven't painted yet.
Cheers
Mark
--- In
lycoming@yahoogroups.com, luckymacy@c... wrote:
Van's FW
drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube facing
forwards (looking
kind of like a ram air effect is going on). They
don't show any exhaust
stack in relation to the breather tube. How
important is it to mount
the bend in the tube forward and should I
have mounted the breather tube=20so
that the overflow would have landed
on the hot exhaust or just let the crap
fall on the inside of the cowl?
Also, they hint two=20adel
clamps should be used but I only used one
because I didn't want to hard mount
the tube so much since it's
attached to the shaking engine. Is that
going to generally be OK or
should I go with what Van's sort of drew?
thx,
lucky
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005
10:00:58 -0600
From: "LarryRobertHelming"
lhelming@sigecom.net
Subject: Re: Re: lycoming breather
tube
Just a comment on Mark's input. I just got my
airworthiness certificate and my DAR showed no concern about the breather exit
pipe/tube being about 1/4" directly above the Vetterman exhaust pipe right at
the cowling exit gap. He looked at it closely and commented about the=20new
method of hanging the supports for the exhaust off the engine rather than the
engine mount. As I understand it, not that much oil junk should come out
of the breather if you don't overfill and you stay in positive G. I
am not going to put more than 6 quarts in to minimize the amount that gets spit
back out and I will monitor the oil level closely at each stop/startup to make
sure I stay above 5. Indiana Larry
----- Original Message
-----
From: Mark Richardson
To: lycoming@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:01 AM
Subject: [lycoming]
Re: lycoming breather tube
Hi Lucky
=20I
had mounted mine to land on an exhaust pipe at the bottom, and my
inspector made me move it at final inspection It now points overboard
essentially aft between the two pipes. The other thing I had to do was
drill a 1/4" about 6 inches up from the end of the tube such that if
the end of the tube became blocked with ice or something, there would
be a pressure relief hole.
I know this arrangement works as I
filled my IO-360-A3B6D with 8
liters of oil, only to have about a
liter of it sprayed onto the
bottom of the fuselage. Not a big deal as
I haven't painted yet.
Cheers
Mark
---
In lycoming@yahoogroups.com, luckymacy@c... wrote:
Van's FW drawing shows the bottom bend of their breather tube
facing
forwards (looking kind of like a ram air effect is going
on). They
don't show any exhaust stack in relation to the
breather tube. How
important is it to mount the bend in the=20tube
forward and should I
have mounted the breather tube so that the
overflow would have landed
on the hot exhaust or just let the crap
fall on the inside of the cowl?
Also,=20they
hint two adel clamps should be used but I only used one
because I
didn't want to hard mount the tube so much since it's
attached to=20the
shaking engine. Is that going to generally be OK or
should I go
with what Van's sort of drew?
thx,
lucky
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005
17:31:46 -0000
From: "mark"
mark2nite@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: fixed pitch to CS
conversion
FWIW about OSH award
winner
From: "Rosales, Paul"
rosales@bigfoot.com
Subject: Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] We've upgraded to a Hartzell prop,
yea!
As I wrote before, Pop, myself, Todd, Subie and Smokey were
able to
get
the C/S prop installed on Saturday, and I even fired up the
engine,
however, the cowl did not fit. The spinner backing plate was up
against
the cowl on the left and right sides of the spinner with (maybe)
1/8"
on
the top and bottom.
Todd Hog arrived L00 about 9am
on Sunday morning, and I was ready to
start cutting at the cowl when Todd
said 'What do you think about
putting spacers on the firewall and moving=20the
engine forward....YEA
MAN!' I see that Laird also did the same thing when he
upgraded (just
saw the post late last night).
I got an engine hoist
today, and with Smokey's help, it took about 3
hours to get 0.200" of spacers
behind the six mount points. I have
about 3/8" around the spinner and it
looks good.
I called in to work today (I work swings) and told them I'd
be in REAL
late. I was able to get 3 hours flight testing in, and there was
NO
WIND here (rare). I was able to get data for my 2400 RPM Test
point
from 12.5K down to 7.5K where I hit 24 squared. I hope to finish up
on
Thursday. Here are some data points:
12.5K (pressure altitude), 160
KTAS
11.5K: 162 KTAS
10.5K: 166 KTAS
9.5K: 168 KTAS
8.5K: 169
KTAS
7.5K: 170 KTAS (24 squared)
The governor is set for maximum of
2600 rpm (I did not change anything
from the setting Jeff Farrar was running
it on his -8A). I went from
the 83 fixed pitch Sensenich to the Hartzell=20and
it's a kick in the
pants!!!! Once the prop 'bites' that air, the acceleration
is SO MUCH
different that when running a fixed pitch prop. At takeoff, I=20was
half
fuel and climbed at 2600 fpm for bit after takeoff :-)
I'm liking
this a LOT!!!!
Rosie
Message:
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005
17:36:22 -0000
From: "mark"
mark2nite@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: fixed pitch to CS
conversion
more posts about FP to CS. FWIW
From:
"Gary A. Sobek" GASobek@Comcast.net
2005 7:50 pm
Subject: Rosie's flying with his new
prop
Just got off the phone with Paul.
He has 3 of his 5 hours
flying done.
It was unbeleavable listening to him talk about the experience.
I
could see that RV Smile on his face over the phone.
Will let him
tell everyone how much different (for the better) the
airplane performance
is.
I do not want to say that he picked up 20 Kts speed or that he had
a
2,800 fpm climb to 5,000 feet out of WJF solo with 1/2 fuel.
All
this with an engine that has over 2,000 hours since new and has
never had any
internal work done on it.
Wish I did not have to work during the day=20so
that I could go CHASE
him around the
sky.
Gary
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Subject: Fwd: *** Team Rocket Aircraft Online Catalog Order ***
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Subject: Fwd: *** Team Rocket Aircraft Online Catalog Order ***
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Subject: *** Team Rocket Aircraft Online Catalog Order ***
Wallace,
Thanks for your order! A copy of your invoice is included below. If you
have any questions, contact us at 512-365-8131. Give the order ID
shown below as an identifier.
*** ORDER ID: 20050531215053-67663573 ***
Quantity Product Code Product Name Unit Price SubTotal
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1 TRWP Rocket Wheel Pants 225.00 225.00
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Sub-Total: 225.00
Shipping: 11.75
Total: 236.75
*** BILLING INFO:
Name: Wallace Hunt
Street: 1658 Plaza Drive
:
City: Rockford
Locality: IL Postal Code: 61108-6949
Country: USA
Phone: 815-262-3153 Email: RV4WGH@aol.com
Hostname:
Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)
Referer: http://www.teamrocketaircraft.com/teamrocketaircraftcgi/hazel.exe
Payment Method: Credit Card <credit_card>
*** SHIPPING INFO:
Method: Regular Shipping <regular>
Name: Wallace Hunt
Street: 1658 Plaza Drive
:
City: Rockford
Locality: IL Postal Code: 61108-6949
Country: USA
*** ORDER NOTES:
* $11.75 shipping for orders up to $250.
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Subject: | Check out Destination Direct Flight Planning Software |
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_Click here: Destination Direct Flight Planning Software_
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Subject: | Check out Taking the "Search" Out of "Search-and-Rescue" |
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_Click here: Taking the "Search" Out of "Search-and-Rescue"_
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Subject: | Check out Survival Tech Aviation Survival Kit |
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_Click here: Survival Tech Aviation Survival Kit_
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Subject: | Check out EZ-Trim Altitude Hold Home Page |
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_Click here: EZ-Trim Altitude Hold Home Page_
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Subject: | VAN'S NEW REAR SEAT VENT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com
_
Don=E2=80=99t know why it wouldn=E2=80=99t work. I haven=E2=80=99t seen one
on a plane. You
might want to find someone who has one.
Typically the back seat is very comfortable in the summer. Very Cold in the
Winter.
I have taken the scat tube and bypassed the heat muff. This puts air from
the high pressure plenum side of the cowl into the cabin. Very comfortable.
I have also seen some small eyeball vents. Easier to install.
Thanks, Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: RV4WGH@aol.com [mailto:RV4WGH@aol.com]
Subject: NEW REAR SEAT VENT FROM VAN'S
Click here: Van's Aircraft - Ordering - Accessories Catalog_
(http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident1119923073-200-393&browsenew&product1
0vent_kit)
How is the ventilation in the rear seat? This useful?
Wally
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Subject: | Re: LINKS - Jeff's F1 Rocket Page |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
Do you mean to send 3 and 4 messages per minute to the list, with
nothing but a link? Or has your computer been invaded by spyware?
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Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>
In the event of CO detection, one of the first things to be done is to
set the mixture well LOP.
It stops the SOURCE of the CO - - at the source.
Then figure out where the leak is coming from.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
M. Jones
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Firewall penetration
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Cochran" <mac@atac.com>
>Eric,
>I couldn't find any data about the Exitair smoke hood's capabilities to
>protect against carbon monoxide. The Exitair may be an adequate device
to
>use for escape if you're already on the deck. A better choice to carry
in
>the cockpit may be a hood that does filter CO, such as the Evac-U8.
>Combined
>with an in-flight CO detector, a CO-filtering hood could provide the
>necessary time to land the aircraft from altitude if CO is detected, or
>there is smoke or a fire. Yes, the Evac-U8 and similar are more
expensive
>and take up more space, but....
Mark,
I didn't think the CO problem went much much beyond detectors. In the
even
of CO in the cabin, close the heat (and forward air vents), get outside
air.
I'd hate to have to land an airplane in one of those hoods.
>Would be very interested to know more about firewall alternatives, can
you
>point us in the right direction? Mark Cochran
There is no prescription like the stainless steel sheet mentioned by the
FAA
advisory circular AC20-135. The FAA says you can do it some other way
but
must prove it. The test is not hard, but you should probably get the
buy-in
of the person who will sign off your airworthiness certifcate, or you
risk
disappointment.
Check http://www.3m.com/market/industrial/ceramics/ and go from there.
Remember that you really want a number of layers.
a) Cosmetic and perhaps reflective. Lots of stuff looks like heck after
a
few hours under the cowl, and it must be fuel proof, etc.
b) FAA flame barrier 2000 F, 15 minute without burn-thru.
c) Acoustic barrier (optional)
The FAA requirement for flame barriers seems to be in flux right now.
We'll
see.....
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will
have
to ram it down their throats."
-- Howard Aiken
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Subject: | Re: Check out Jeff's F1 Rocket Page |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Sir, your flood of miscellaneous announcements and promotions to the
AeroElectric-List are in direct contradiction with the list-server's
rules of conduct as defined by the owner of the system on which this
list-server resides.
You're most welcome to join us in any technical or practical discussions
that contribute to a group understanding of aircraft . . . but please
don't repeat the behavior I've cited above. If necessary, we can have you
"blacklisted" with the server's administrator but to my knowledge, this has
never been necessary in the history of the AeroElectric-List. I'd be
most pleased not to have this incident mark a black milestone in the list's
history.
Thank you for your swift and diligent attention to this matter.
Bob . . .
At 05:47 PM 10/8/2005 -0400 you wrote:
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>_Click here: Jeff's F1 Rocket Page_ (http://www3.telus.net/public/deucharj/)
>
>
>--
>
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Bob . . .
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Subject: | EMAILS SENT IN ERROR |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com
My apology to the list. I have emailed Matt and asked him to delete
anything from my email address sent today.
Sorry.
Wally
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Subject: | Re: LINKS - Jeff's F1 Rocket Page |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 04:32 PM 10/8/2005 -0700, you wrote:
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>
>Do you mean to send 3 and 4 messages per minute to the list, with
>nothing but a link? Or has your computer been invaded by spyware?
An astute call Richard. The email address belongs to a Wally
Hunt who is a long time participant on the Matronics Lists.
It's almost a certainty that he understands list server etiquette.
Wally. Please forgive my hasty conclusion. It seems quite
likely that either your computer has been invaded -or- someone
is spoofing your e-mail address in posting the promotional items
to the AeroElectric-List.
Not sure how this gets fixed. It may be that Matt will ask you
to change your e-mail address and re-subscribe to the list so
that the old address can be blocked. Let's see what happens over
the next few days before we go to Matt . . . although it may be
that the "spoofer" has attacked every list you subscribe to and
it's only a matter of time before someone switches you OFF.
I'll suggest you contact Matt directly at mailto:dralle@matronics.com
and explain what's going on. He'll no doubt have good suggestions
as to how you proceed. My condolences for having to suffer this
pestilence. It happened to me a few years ago and I had to roll my
email address.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | New comic book on circuit breaker issues |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Thanks to Ken Baker's willingness to send me some very
good data on a circuit breaker failure he experienced,
I've been able to craft a new article on the topic. See:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Breakers/Breakers.html
If anyone else has breakers that might broaden our selection
(or de-selection) of parts, I'd be pleased to get exemplar
devices for study.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Good point, George.
And only fitting that you would think of posting that! Of course, SOME
fuel injected engines run MUCH better lean of peak than others...
Thanks for the chuckle.
Best,
Rick Lindstrom
George Braly wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>In the event of CO detection, one of the first things to be done is to
>set the mixture well LOP.
>
>It stops the SOURCE of the CO - - at the source.
>
>Then figure out where the leak is coming from.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
>M. Jones
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Firewall penetration
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
><emjones@charter.net>
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Cochran" <mac@atac.com>
>
>
>
>>Eric,
>>I couldn't find any data about the Exitair smoke hood's capabilities to
>>protect against carbon monoxide. The Exitair may be an adequate device
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>use for escape if you're already on the deck. A better choice to carry
>>
>>
>in
>
>
>>the cockpit may be a hood that does filter CO, such as the Evac-U8.
>>Combined
>>with an in-flight CO detector, a CO-filtering hood could provide the
>>necessary time to land the aircraft from altitude if CO is detected, or
>>there is smoke or a fire. Yes, the Evac-U8 and similar are more
>>
>>
>expensive
>
>
>>and take up more space, but....
>>
>>
>
>Mark,
>
>I didn't think the CO problem went much much beyond detectors. In the
>even
>of CO in the cabin, close the heat (and forward air vents), get outside
>air.
>I'd hate to have to land an airplane in one of those hoods.
>
>
>
>>Would be very interested to know more about firewall alternatives, can
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>point us in the right direction? Mark Cochran
>>
>>
>
>There is no prescription like the stainless steel sheet mentioned by the
>FAA
>advisory circular AC20-135. The FAA says you can do it some other way
>but
>must prove it. The test is not hard, but you should probably get the
>buy-in
>of the person who will sign off your airworthiness certifcate, or you
>risk
>disappointment.
>
>Check http://www.3m.com/market/industrial/ceramics/ and go from there.
>Remember that you really want a number of layers.
>
>a) Cosmetic and perhaps reflective. Lots of stuff looks like heck after
>a
>few hours under the cowl, and it must be fuel proof, etc.
>b) FAA flame barrier 2000 F, 15 minute without burn-thru.
>c) Acoustic barrier (optional)
>
>The FAA requirement for flame barriers seems to be in flux right now.
>We'll
>see.....
>
>Regards,
>Eric M. Jones
>www.PerihelionDesign.com
>113 Brentwood Drive
>Southbridge MA 01550-2705
>(508) 764-2072
>
>Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will
>have
>to ram it down their throats."
>-- Howard Aiken
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:42 PM 10/8/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>In the event of CO detection, one of the first things to be done is to
>set the mixture well LOP.
>
>It stops the SOURCE of the CO - - at the source.
>
>Then figure out where the leak is coming from.
>
>George
Cool work-around George . . . made possible by the wonderful world
of chemistry! Would it also be advisable to drop to or below 60% power
to avoid problems of very lean combustion effects?
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Positronic removal with hammer |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: CardinalNSB@aol.com
Thank you Bob for the link, I was at least able to get an idea of the shape.
I went to the hobby store and got some thinwall tubing to try to emulate
the factory removal tool-it looks like a tube but has a spring loaded "gun"
inside it to punch out the contactor. I used a thinwall tube to go down past
the "springs", then a small phillips inside the tube with some gentle tapping
with a ballpeen hammer. (my wife always gets nervous when I use a hammer in
my aircraft repair). They popped out, some with a little more persuasion than
others. These are the female solder cup types. I found a source for the
crimp type female, but not for the contactor block so I needed to get these
out. I stuck a few back in and they seem to work ok. Would it be imprudent to
reuse these? How can I easily remove the old solder-propane torch, should I
heat them in a skillet, will hearing them harm them? Should I remove the
tiny spring loaded retaining clip before heating? These appear to be brass, but
there is a lengthwise slit down the barrell which provides the tenion for
the male pen.
Thanks again for the help. Skip Simpson
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Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>
Bob,
Not necessary to reduce power except that it might reduce the pressure
of the exhaust gases in a turbo'd engine and thereby reduce the amount
that gets into the heater plumbing.
However, CO makes up about 4 to 9% of the exhaust when 50 to 150d F
rich of peak EGT.
One of the primary sources of the efficiency of LOP operations comes
from further oxidizing the CO to COO (CO2) and it turns out that at 25
to 50F LOP the level of CO in the exhaust stream is down about one order
of magnitude.
Regards, George
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Firewall penetration
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:42 PM 10/8/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly"
<gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>In the event of CO detection, one of the first things to be done is
to
>set the mixture well LOP.
>
>It stops the SOURCE of the CO - - at the source.
>
>Then figure out where the leak is coming from.
>
>George
Cool work-around George . . . made possible by the wonderful world
of chemistry! Would it also be advisable to drop to or below 60%
power
to avoid problems of very lean combustion effects?
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>
Bob,
We have hundreds of 300 Hp class TCM engines running 70F LOP of peak TIT
- - at 80 to 85% of rated power. These engines are operating with
exceptional reliability and durability. Just borescoped one high time
engine this week and it was almost stunning to look inside the
cylinders and NOT see pancaked crude and deposits everywhere which is
what you see in the typical ROP engine at that stage of life.
Regards, George
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Firewall penetration
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:42 PM 10/8/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Braly"
<gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>In the event of CO detection, one of the first things to be done is
to
>set the mixture well LOP.
>
>It stops the SOURCE of the CO - - at the source.
>
>Then figure out where the leak is coming from.
>
>George
Cool work-around George . . . made possible by the wonderful world
of chemistry! Would it also be advisable to drop to or below 60%
power
to avoid problems of very lean combustion effects?
Bob . . .
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