---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/16/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - Highlight Two (Matt Dralle) 2. 04:05 AM - Re: 12 Volt Ipod....Now Need Volume Help (Tinne maha) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Magneto switch wiring (Glaeser, Dennis A) 4. 08:48 AM - Re: Highlight Two (Will N. Stevenson) 5. 01:20 PM - Garmin GNC-250XL Install (Mark R. Supinski) 6. 01:37 PM - Re: Garmin GNC-250XL Install (Bill Denton) 7. 02:10 PM - Re: Garmin GNC-250XL Install (ivorphillips) 8. 03:09 PM - gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (rd2@evenlink.com) 9. 04:05 PM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (SteinAir, Inc.) 10. 04:38 PM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (Alan K. Adamson) 11. 04:48 PM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (Greg Young) 12. 06:14 PM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 13. 08:55 PM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (Franz Fux) 14. 09:24 PM - Re: Appropriate Faston Connectors (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:28 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: Highlight Two --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Email List Forums at Matronics. There is no commercial advertising on any of the Lists to support their operation, and it is solely YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS that keeps these Lists up and running. Please take a second to make your Contribution today at the secure website: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Below is a highlight of another one of the awesome Free Gifts available along with this year's List Fund Raiser. In most cases, these gifts have been either donated or provided at exceptional discounts by aviation vendors that participate regularly on these vary same Lists. I want to thank each of them for the generous support of the Lists during this Fund Raiser. Please show your support for their efforts by visiting their respective web sites. Thank you for your kind support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Gift Highlight Number Two - Mechanics's Toolbox CD - Builder's Bookstore * With your $60 or greater List Contribution, you can register to receive a free copy of the 2005 edition of John Schwaner's Mechanic's Toolbox CD. It is essentially a computerized version of the Mechanic's Handbook, and highlights the needs of powerplant technicians working with reciprocating engines. The CD contains two basic sections. The first is a mechanics guide to inspecting, troubleshooting and operating Lycoming and Continental engines. The second is a Mechanic's Toolbox offering many of the most useful items typically found in printed Mechanic's Handbooks and a few other handy items not found anywhere else. Works with Windows 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP. To receive your copy, visit the List Contribution Web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution * This gift is provided by Andy Gold of The Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:43 AM PST US From: "Tinne maha" Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: 12 Volt Ipod....Now Need Volume Help --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" I wasn't familiar with the terms, but YES, that is exactly my problem: I want to use the 'line out' jack to feed music to my intercomm. Using the 'headphone out' jack is possible, but would be messy. I'm relativley sure I can regulate volume by installing a variable resistor (a.k.a. potentiometer or 'pot' for short) between the 'line out' jack & the intercom. Would like to know for sure though & find exact details. Denny (forget the last name) sent a link along these lines that may have an answer, but I'll have to absorb the info for a while. At first glance, it seems more complicated than what I need. Thank You for the responses! Grant Time: 01:39:40 PM PST US From: "Bill Denton" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: 12 Volt Ipod....Now Need Volume Help --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" Don't know specifically about iPods, but on most portable music gear, the volume control doesn't affect the volume of the "line out" jack; it only affects the volume on the "headphone out" jack. -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tinne maha Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 12 Volt Ipod....Now Need Volume Help --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" Thanks for the response Mickey. I think I confused you some. I'll try to explain it a little better: I believe your mini is taking the audio signal from the top of the Ipod & putting charge into the bottom. Mine is running both charge & audio through the bottom plug. (i.e. the volume control on the front of the Ipod will only work with the top audio out put.) Please correct me if I'm wrong though. What I'm looking for is a way of controlling volume between the aux music input jack & the intercomm. Again, any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks, Grant Time: 05:23:31 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 12 Volt Ipod....Now Need Volume Help --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >Now I have another small issue: There is no volume contol. (Not a big >surprise....The salesperson told me I would lose use of the Ipod volume >contol if I used the plug on the bottom....I just had to see for myself) I >believe adding a volume control behind my panel is not too difficult, but I >did not find anything in the archives. Can someone please enlighten me? I don't understand this. I have an external power adapter for my ipod mini, and I can still use the volume on the front. The power adapter is a 3rd party AC adapter, with a plug that goes into the bottom of the ipod. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:35 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring From: "Glaeser, Dennis A" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" A number of Bob's Z-diagrams show how to do this. I believe Z-11 does (don't have the diagrams in front of me). Dennis Glaeser RV 7A Wings (installing ailerons & flaps) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: eddyfernan@aol.com Does anyone out there have a drawing of how to wire the magnetos with toggle switches and a separate starter button? I'd also like wire them with a lockout in case of kickback (one impulse). Thanks in advance! Eddy Fernandez RV 9A Finishing! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:56 AM PST US From: "Will N. Stevenson" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Highlight Two --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Will N. Stevenson" Hi Matt, Can you create a mailing list of those who have not contributed to your website and use that to solicit those people, so that those of us who have contributed don't have to continue getting the solicitation messages? That would be helpful to those of us who have given money to your website. Thanks, Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Highlight Two > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > > > Dear Listers, > > Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and > upgrade of the Email List Forums at Matronics. There is no > commercial advertising on any of the Lists to support their > operation, and it is solely YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS that keeps these Lists > up and running. Please take a second to make your Contribution today > at the secure website: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Below is a highlight of another one of the awesome Free Gifts > available along with this year's List Fund Raiser. In most cases, > these gifts have been either donated or provided at exceptional > discounts by aviation vendors that participate regularly on these > vary same Lists. I want to thank each of them for the generous > support of the Lists during this Fund Raiser. Please show your > support for their efforts by visiting their respective web sites. > > Thank you for your kind support! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > Gift Highlight Number Two - Mechanics's Toolbox CD - Builder's Bookstore > * > > With your $60 or greater List Contribution, you can register to > receive a free copy of the 2005 edition of John Schwaner's Mechanic's > Toolbox CD. It is essentially a computerized version of the > Mechanic's Handbook, and highlights the needs of powerplant > technicians working with reciprocating engines. The CD contains two > basic sections. The first is a mechanics guide to inspecting, > troubleshooting and operating Lycoming and Continental engines. The > second is a Mechanic's Toolbox offering many of the most useful items > typically found in printed Mechanic's Handbooks and a few other handy > items not found anywhere else. Works with Windows 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP. > > To receive your copy, visit the List Contribution Web site: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * This gift is provided by Andy Gold of The Builder's Bookstore > http://www.buildersbooks.com/ > > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:59 PM PST US From: "Mark R. Supinski" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin GNC-250XL Install --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" Hi- Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of it's tray... that was it... Thanks, Mark Supinski ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:44 PM PST US From: "Bill Denton" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin GNC-250XL Install --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" Check your gmail account... -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark R. Supinski Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin GNC-250XL Install --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" Hi- Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of it's tray... that was it... Thanks, Mark Supinski ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:46 PM PST US From: "ivorphillips" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin GNC-250XL Install --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ivorphillips" How to get ANY Garmin Manual You Ever Wanted Are you looking for a Garmin user manual? STC? Installation doc? Here is a list of the docs they keep in there manuals directory that are part of the .jsp. http://www.garmin.com/manuals/{insert some file name} these files below. So if you are looking for a manual, just search this list (ex. Ctl-f 430) and append the filename to the url above and you will have it. This is not all their docs by any means, many are missing from this list and I have not figured out yet where they keep em, but Ill work on it. Just need to sick the right techno dude on it between product releases. This is a list of what they make available. There is some really old stuff in here, as well as real new. You will notice by looking at the file names and using the scheme, that you can find just about anything you are looking for. Some file names are not intuitive like GPS165TSODzusRail_PilotsGuide.pdf. Ill try and work on getting the entire directory of everything possible. But for now, this is a really good list. Old and new, popular in junk. Its in there. STC, pilot Guide, Supplemental Flight Manual, Quick Reference Guide, Pilots Guide, Installation Manual, Training Syllabus, all kinds of very useful stuff in there. Just think about how many times you have wanted a manual and could not find it. Especially installation manuals which they seem to keep tight reign on. I ran a job from the office to get all of these, yes every one, so Ill keep them somewhere just in case they disappear. Another fella did that right before they took the appolo site down. I got a file from him like sl40_install_560-0956-03a.pdf. I mean how would you ever figure out that filename? So I hope to have these stashed just in case Garmin gets hit by a bus. http://www.garmin.com/manuals/ these files below. So if you are looking for a manual, just search this list (ex. Ctl-f 430) and append the filename to the url above and you will have it. Here is an example of exactly what the url looks like. http://www.garmin.com/manuals/MX20_InstallationManual.pdf Found this in my archives so may be of help, Regards Ivor Phillips XS Europa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark R. Supinski" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin GNC-250XL Install > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" > > > Hi- > > Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I > downloaded > what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" > portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of > it's tray... that was it... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:57 PM PST US From: rd2@evenlink.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with constantly changing item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for $400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500, hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat. wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin). Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"? Rumen do not archive ____________________Original message __________________________ (received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM 11/16/2005 -0700) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" Hi- Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of it's tray... that was it... Thanks, Mark Supinski -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:11 PM PST US From: "SteinAir, Inc." Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "SteinAir, Inc." Common and well known scams. If it's too good to be true then it is! Cheers, Stein. do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > rd2@evenlink.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:06 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com > > There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with > constantly changing > item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already > changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for > $400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's > sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500, > hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming > from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat. > wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further > while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions > data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the > geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin). > Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"? > > Rumen > do not archive > > > ____________________Original message __________________________ > (received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM > 11/16/2005 > -0700) > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" > > > Hi- > > Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I > downloaded > what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" > portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of > it's tray... that was it... > > Thanks, > > Mark Supinski > > > -- > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:29 PM PST US From: "Alan K. Adamson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" I think, as Clark Howard would say.... If the deal is too good, it most likely is.... There have been tons of problems with 430's and the like being sold out of EU and people being ripped off for the money. My bottom line, right now, there is now way in Heck that you could buy a 396 for $500 and if someone is trying to sell you one, I've also got a great piece of land off the coast of Kansas for really cheap! :) Stay away from those kind of deals!!! My .02, Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rd2@evenlink.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with constantly changing item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for $400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500, hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat. wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin). Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"? Rumen do not archive ____________________Original message __________________________ (received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM 11/16/2005 -0700) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" Hi- Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of it's tray... that was it... Thanks, Mark Supinski -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay From: "Greg Young" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg Young" I'll bet they want payment via Western Union, no PayPal, etc. Scammer tactics. How could you even begin to believe a just intro'd 396 for $500? Repeat after me: "If it sounds too good to be true..." Do not archive > There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with > constantly changing item numbers (the latest being item > number 7197563352, but if already changed search on gps 296 > or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for $400 (!!) > and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. > Garmin's sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the > street price is ~$2500, hence the suspicion. Further research -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Yes, if the deal looks to good to be true then it probably is. They were doing the scam with 430's at 3k -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rd2@evenlink.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with constantly changing item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for $400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500, hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat. wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin). Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"? Rumen do not archive ____________________Original message __________________________ (received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM 11/16/2005 -0700) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" Hi- Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of it's tray... that was it... Thanks, Mark Supinski -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:30 PM PST US From: "Franz Fux" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Franz Fux" How about a brand new air force pilot helmet, imported from China, on e-bay at a price of 50cents Franz -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rd2@evenlink.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with constantly changing item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for $400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500, hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat. wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin). Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"? Rumen do not archive ____________________Original message __________________________ (received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM 11/16/2005 -0700) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski" Hi- Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation" portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of it's tray... that was it... Thanks, Mark Supinski -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:33 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Appropriate Faston Connectors --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 09:43 AM 11/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Phil Hooper" > >Greetings all. I'm new to the list. I purchased some Faston connectors >from Spruce, and then some from our local electronic warehouse, Fry's in >Anaheim. > > >They look the same except plastic sleeves are vinal, and the metal looks >slightly different. The parts warehouse products are made by JT&T Products, >a company that focuses on retail, moving product. > > >I'm concerned about quality for aircraft use. I don't want gremlins >sneaking in about 10 years from now. > > >Should I stay with Spruce only, "certified" type parts, or will these >electronic parts store connectors be safe, and last in aircraft application? In addition to some lucid and worthy advice from others I'll suggest you review: http://aeroelectric.com/articles/CrimpTools/crimptools.html http://aeroelectric.com/articles/faston3.pdf http://aeroelectric.com/articles/terminal.pdf Bob . . .