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1. 12:15 AM - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (sportav8r@aol.com)
3. 05:42 AM - Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT (MikeEasley@aol.com)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT (Bill Denton)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Wig-wag wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 06:21 AM - Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT (William)
7. 07:08 AM - GPS IFR requirements ()
8. 07:52 AM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (rd2@evenlink.com)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: Avionics-List: GPS IFR requirements (Wayne Sweet)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (Mickey Coggins)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: GPS IFR requirements (sportav8r@aol.com)
12. 09:46 AM - Sorry List, Wrong Address (Will N. Stevenson)
13. 10:10 AM - Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay (Frank)
14. 10:10 AM - Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT (John Schroeder)
15. 10:12 AM - Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT (John Schroeder)
16. 10:16 AM - GPS IFR requirements (Will N. Stevenson)
17. 10:57 AM - Thanks Bob; A Good Book (Will N. Stevenson)
18. 12:28 PM - Re: GPS IFR requirements (Glaeser, Dennis A)
19. 01:40 PM - Re: 12v Ipod...Need Vol Help (REAL PROBLEM IS) ()
20. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Magneto switch wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 02:07 PM - Re: (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
22. 02:23 PM - Re: GPS IFR requirements (Jon Goguen)
23. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: GPS IFR requirements (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
24. 03:33 PM - Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT (glong2)
25. 09:12 PM - Re: Re: Magneto switch wiring (Franz Fux)
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Subject: | Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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Subject: | Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
I've encountered this, too. They're somehow pirating even the seller account/name
for the listing. Never deal with anyone whose ad says "don't contact me at
via ebay; use this private (usually hotmail) address." That's done to keep
the real account owner unaware of the ad's existence. Unfortunately, some of
the selling prices the scammers want are close enough to legit to be a great inducement
without throwing up red flags. Always confirm the ad's legitimacy by
communicating with the seller via ebay. Often they'll thank you for making
them aware that someone is pirating their account (and feedback reputation to
boot).
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: rd2@evenlink.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with constantly changing
item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already
changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for
$400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's
sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500,
hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming
from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat.
wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further
while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions
data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the
geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin).
Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"?
Rumen
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____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM 11/16/2005
-0700)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski"
<mark.supinski@gmail.com>
Hi-
Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded
what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation"
portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of
it's tray... that was it...
Thanks,
Mark Supinski
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Subject: | Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
The trim system is hooked up to a Ray Allen position indicator and works
fine. When I push the PTT button on the stick (either one) I get a bright top
LED on the trim indicator. The LED goes out where the trim indication is
(center of the scale). The top LED is the one that's illuminated when the trim
indicator is extended.
First thought was some voltage from the transmitter is getting into the trim
indicator wires due to a poorly shielded com antenna wire. I checked for
continuity between the center conductor of the com antenna wire and the shield,
and no continuity.
Next, I disconnected the wires running aft from the panel to the trim
indicator, thinking I was getting some noise, inductance or whatever during
transmitting. The trim wires and com antenna run bundled together for about four
feet. I still get the light on the indicator.
So my conclusion is I've got a problem either with grounding or some
incorrect wiring behind the panel.
Any ideas?
Mike Easley
Helping a Glasair Guy
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Subject: | Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Probably not relevant, but when +12v is applied to the white wire on the RP3
LED Position Indicator, it dims the indicator lighting...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MikeEasley@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
The trim system is hooked up to a Ray Allen position indicator and works
fine. When I push the PTT button on the stick (either one) I get a bright
top
LED on the trim indicator. The LED goes out where the trim indication is
(center of the scale). The top LED is the one that's illuminated when the
trim
indicator is extended.
First thought was some voltage from the transmitter is getting into the
trim
indicator wires due to a poorly shielded com antenna wire. I checked for
continuity between the center conductor of the com antenna wire and the
shield,
and no continuity.
Next, I disconnected the wires running aft from the panel to the trim
indicator, thinking I was getting some noise, inductance or whatever during
transmitting. The trim wires and com antenna run bundled together for
about four
feet. I still get the light on the indicator.
So my conclusion is I've got a problem either with grounding or some
incorrect wiring behind the panel.
Any ideas?
Mike Easley
Helping a Glasair Guy
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Subject: | Re: Wig-wag wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 04:25 AM 11/14/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gary Casey <glcasey@adelphia.net>
>
>I have decided to use the B and C wig-wag system in my plane with a
>single pole 3-way switch (off-wigwag-on). The only way I can think
>of to wire it requires 2 SPDT relays (I plan to use automotive-type
>"DIN" relays everywhere for commonality) to switch the lights from
>the wig wag position to the both on position. Is there a better,
>simpler way? I know you could use a double-pole 3-way switch, but my
>panel is already done and lighted rocker switches are what fit.
>Lancair sells a lighted switch that is labeled correctly, so that's
>what I'll use.
see page 3 of http://aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
A neighbor had that problem, it was traced to a grounding problem.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From: <MikeEasley@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
> The trim system is hooked up to a Ray Allen position indicator and works
> fine. When I push the PTT button on the stick (either one) I get a bright
> top
> LED on the trim indicator. The LED goes out where the trim indication is
> (center of the scale). The top LED is the one that's illuminated when the
> trim
> indicator is extended.
>
> First thought was some voltage from the transmitter is getting into the
> trim
> indicator wires due to a poorly shielded com antenna wire. I checked for
> continuity between the center conductor of the com antenna wire and the
> shield,
> and no continuity.
>
> Next, I disconnected the wires running aft from the panel to the trim
> indicator, thinking I was getting some noise, inductance or whatever
> during
> transmitting. The trim wires and com antenna run bundled together for
> about four
> feet. I still get the light on the indicator.
>
> So my conclusion is I've got a problem either with grounding or some
> incorrect wiring behind the panel.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Mike Easley
> Helping a Glasair Guy
>
>
>
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Subject: | GPS IFR requirements |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.4999 1.0000 0.0000
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
11/15/2005
Hello Anon, Regarding your question copied below "....how to certify a
GPS for IFR operations in an experimental aircraft?"
The short answer is: "One should not even attempt such certification because
it is not
required." Let me explain.
The term "certify" is thrown around too loosely and any attempts to
discuss a question about certifying a GPS for IFR operations in an amateur
built
experimental aircraft without first setting some ground rules will
result in endless wrangling.
To me "certified" in this context means there is a piece of paper
(certificate or
equivalent document) signed by a person authorized by the FAA Administrator
to sign
that certificate or document.
Standard type certificated aircraft get a standard airworthiness
certificate based on meeting published standards and during its operational
life no one is permitted to legally do anything to that aircraft that would
void that certificate. There are
tens of thousands of words in the Federal Aviation Regulations, Advisory
Circulars, Technical Standard Orders, RTCA documents, SAE documents, FAA
Orders, and other documents such as FAA policy that exist to maintain the
sanctity of that aircraft's
standard airworthiness status.
Amateur built experimental aircraft get an initial special airworthiness
certificate, which includes Operating Limitations specific to that
individual aircraft, signed by an FAA Inspector or a DAR (Designated
Airworthiness Representative) acting with the authority of the FAA
Administrator. Since there are no published standards for amateur built
experimental aircraft to deviate from, as long as the aircraft remains
in compliance with its Operating Limitations and the references contained
therein it is properly certified and no further certification acts are
required.
Moving on to the subject of IFR equipment and instruments in amateur
built experimental aircraft. The best discussion of this subject is by Dick
Koehler starting on page 62 of the September 2005 issue of Sport
Aviation magazine. Also see the MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT
REQUIREMENTS
FOR POWERED AMATEUR BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT
table available directly from me.
Now focusing specifically on GPS IFR equipment requirements and IFR
operations in amateur built experimental aircraft. One should read the
entire paragraph 1-1-19 of the August 4, 2005 edition of the AIM
(Aeronautical Information Manual)
<http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap1/aim0101.html#1-1-19>
Note One to Table 1-1-6 reads "To determine equipment approvals and
limitations, refer to the AFM, AFM supplements, or pilot guides." The
amateur builder has control over what his Aircraft Flight Manual says or
does not say. The pilot has access to the information and limitations
provided by the maker of his GPS equipment (pilot guides).
If the builder / pilot of an amateur built experimental aircraft is in
compliance with his aircraft's Operating Limitations, in compliance with
his AFM, in compliance with the instructions and limitations provided by the
maker of his GPS equipment, and in compliance with the equipment
requirements and flight procedural instructions regarding GPS IFR in the
most recent version of the AIM then he has met the legal requirements to
fly GPS IFR and no additional certification activity or approval is
required.
I'm happy to continue the discussion if there are differing or additional
viewpoints.
OC
----- Original Message -----
From: Anon
Subject: GPS IFR requirements
> Hello O.C. I recall that you did some extensive research on how to certify
> a GPS
> for IFR operations in an experimental aircraft. There seems to be a lot
> of interpretation of the law as written, and I would be interested in
> your findings and opinions on the subject.
> Regards, Anon
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Subject: | Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
Thanks, Stormy, and all others who provided so much informative feedback.
I thought one grows wiser (and less trusting scammers) after 50 :) but I
almost fell for it. Actually my mechanic did too - I had heard from him
that one could get a 430 for ~3K on ebay.
rumen
_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from sportav8r@aol.com; Date: 08:25 AM
11/17/2005 -0500)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
I've encountered this, too. They're somehow pirating even the seller
account/name for the listing. Never deal with anyone whose ad says "don't
contact me at via ebay; use this private (usually hotmail) address."
That's done to keep the real account owner unaware of the ad's existence.
Unfortunately, some of the selling prices the scammers want are close
enough to legit to be a great inducement without throwing up red flags.
Always confirm the ad's legitimacy by communicating with the seller via
ebay. Often they'll thank you for making them aware that someone is
pirating their account (and feedback reputation to boot).
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: rd2@evenlink.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
There are some garmin gpsmap's 196/296/396 on ebay with constantly changing
item numbers (the latest being item number 7197563352, but if already
changed search on gps 296 or 396 or gpsmap 296or 396). The 296 is sold for
$400 (!!) and the 396 (this is "buy it now" price) goes for $500. Garmin's
sugg. retail for the 396 is around $2600 and the street price is ~$2500,
hence the suspicion. Further research indicated that the items are coming
from Europe, Romania. Garmin does not export the 396 to EU because sat.
wx-radio and wx-weather is not available (not propagated) to EU. Further
while the airports and navaids map, as well as terrain and obstructions
data base and software can be upgraded, the basesemap (showing the
geographic waypoints on the ground) cannot (per garmin).
Can anybody offer more info on these "superdeals"?
Rumen
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____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Mark R. Supinski; Date: 02:19 PM 11/16/2005
-0700)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R. Supinski"
<mark.supinski@gmail.com>
Hi-
Anyone have a install guide / pinouts for the Garmin GNC 250XL? I downloaded
what Garmin had on their website, only to discover the "Installation"
portion of it only had 1 page detailing how to slide the unit in & out of
it's tray... that was it...
Thanks,
Mark Supinski
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Subject: | Re: Avionics-List: GPS IFR requirements |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Wayne Sweet" <w_sweet@comcast.net>
OC,
Thanks for a very informative summary on this subject. I have had battles
with other builders intent on following the "letter of the FAR's", which
invariably lead to mass confusion and spit-ball fights. I left one
discussion group just for that reason.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Subject: Avionics-List: GPS IFR requirements
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>
> 11/15/2005
>
> Hello Anon, Regarding your question copied below "....how to certify a
> GPS for IFR operations in an experimental aircraft?"
>
> The short answer is: "One should not even attempt such certification
> because
> it is not
> required." Let me explain.
>
> The term "certify" is thrown around too loosely and any attempts to
> discuss a question about certifying a GPS for IFR operations in an
> amateur
> built
> experimental aircraft without first setting some ground rules will
> result in endless wrangling.
>
> To me "certified" in this context means there is a piece of paper
> (certificate or
> equivalent document) signed by a person authorized by the FAA
> Administrator
> to sign
> that certificate or document.
>
> Standard type certificated aircraft get a standard airworthiness
> certificate based on meeting published standards and during its
> operational
> life no one is permitted to legally do anything to that aircraft that
> would
> void that certificate. There are
> tens of thousands of words in the Federal Aviation Regulations, Advisory
> Circulars, Technical Standard Orders, RTCA documents, SAE documents, FAA
> Orders, and other documents such as FAA policy that exist to maintain the
> sanctity of that aircraft's
> standard airworthiness status.
>
> Amateur built experimental aircraft get an initial special airworthiness
> certificate, which includes Operating Limitations specific to that
> individual aircraft, signed by an FAA Inspector or a DAR (Designated
> Airworthiness Representative) acting with the authority of the FAA
> Administrator. Since there are no published standards for amateur built
> experimental aircraft to deviate from, as long as the aircraft remains
> in compliance with its Operating Limitations and the references contained
> therein it is properly certified and no further certification acts are
> required.
>
> Moving on to the subject of IFR equipment and instruments in amateur
> built experimental aircraft. The best discussion of this subject is by
> Dick
> Koehler starting on page 62 of the September 2005 issue of Sport
> Aviation magazine. Also see the MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT
> REQUIREMENTS
> FOR POWERED AMATEUR BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT
> table available directly from me.
>
> Now focusing specifically on GPS IFR equipment requirements and IFR
> operations in amateur built experimental aircraft. One should read the
> entire paragraph 1-1-19 of the August 4, 2005 edition of the AIM
> (Aeronautical Information Manual)
> <http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap1/aim0101.html#1-1-19>
>
> Note One to Table 1-1-6 reads "To determine equipment approvals and
> limitations, refer to the AFM, AFM supplements, or pilot guides." The
> amateur builder has control over what his Aircraft Flight Manual says or
> does not say. The pilot has access to the information and limitations
> provided by the maker of his GPS equipment (pilot guides).
>
> If the builder / pilot of an amateur built experimental aircraft is in
> compliance with his aircraft's Operating Limitations, in compliance with
> his AFM, in compliance with the instructions and limitations provided by
> the
> maker of his GPS equipment, and in compliance with the equipment
> requirements and flight procedural instructions regarding GPS IFR in the
> most recent version of the AIM then he has met the legal requirements to
> fly GPS IFR and no additional certification activity or approval is
> required.
>
> I'm happy to continue the discussion if there are differing or additional
> viewpoints.
>
> OC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Anon
>
> Subject: GPS IFR requirements
>
>> Hello O.C. I recall that you did some extensive research on how to
>> certify
>> a GPS
>> for IFR operations in an experimental aircraft. There seems to be a lot
>> of interpretation of the law as written, and I would be interested in
>> your findings and opinions on the subject.
>
>> Regards, Anon
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Thanks, Stormy, and all others who provided so much informative feedback.
> I thought one grows wiser (and less trusting scammers) after 50 :) but I
> almost fell for it. Actually my mechanic did too - I had heard from him
> that one could get a 430 for ~3K on ebay.
One simple way to separate the wheat from the "scam" is
to offer to come over and see the actual unit that is
for sale. If it's on the up and up, they will be happy
to have you visit. I had one guy say "Well, you can't
come look at it, because I'm in Europe". I told him
that I'm in Europe, too. Then he said that he lives
far from any major city. I told him I'm a pilot, and
I could fly anywhere there's an airfield in Europe in
a couple of hours. He stopped responding. Scammer!
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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Subject: | Re: GPS IFR requirements |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Do I take this to mean that if the GPS mfgr says his product is for VFR only, that
there's no way for the homebuilder to legislate his way around that in the
Pilot's Operating Handbook that he writes for the airplane?
(see excerpts below)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: bakerocb@cox.net
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GPS IFR requirements
>>If the builder / pilot of an amateur built experimental aircraft is in
compliance with his aircraft's Operating Limitations, in compliance with
his AFM, in compliance with the instructions and limitations provided by the
maker of his GPS equipment, <<
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Subject: | Sorry List, Wrong Address |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Will N. Stevenson" <will@wavecable.com>
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> Hi Matt,
>
> Can you create a mailing list >, etc.
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Subject: | Re: gpsmap 296/396 on ebay |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Frank <frankvdh@xtra.co.nz>
While we're talking about auction scams, let me just warn you all about
another one that applies if you're selling something.
You'll get an exceptionally (dare I say unbelievably?) good offer, maybe
even more than your asking price. You will be asked to withdraw the
auction and sell directly. So far, so good. Next, you'll be told that
the buyer is going to over-pay you for some reason... they have a
cheque/money order/whatever that they can't cash in their country is a
common one. You're asked to bank it and send them the difference by
Western Union, keeping an extra couple of hundred for your trouble.
Obviously, you'll find out later that the cheque is a dud. The payment
by WU is untraceable, and you've just lost your money. Maybe you've also
sent the goods, so you've lost that too.
A variation on this scam is to overpay you directly into your bank
account, again asking for the difference to be sent by WU. You can't go
wrong if you've got the actual money in your account, right? Wrong!
What's happening here is that another scam victim, who thinks they're
buying something, has paid the money into your account. In a few weeks,
they'll realise they've been conned, and come at you for the money. This
is a situation that only the lawyers will win.
Another step in the scams is for you to later receive an email from the
FBI, Nigerian Police, Secret Service, CIA, or someone similar (with a
money for you. Needless to say, this recovery will involve you paying
fees to the agency involved, or to lawyers, by WU...
Further information about these and other types of scams can be found at
http://www.scampatrol.org
Frank
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Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Mike -
We get exactly the same thing when we transmit, using either com. I have
not trouble shot this because it does not have any effect on the actual
trim servos themselves. If you are using the RG400 cable for your antenna
runs, I doubt if they are the culprit.
Are you getting this on both the pitch and yaw trim indicators? One guess
would be that the indicator circuitry in the servos themselves are getting
the RF, when you transmit, from the com antenna in the vertical stab and
sending it all the way to the indicator.
Or, the LED indicator itself is picking up the RF and turning the top LED
on. BTW, as I recall, the LED that seems to indicate the position of the
servo/tab also dims when I transmit. I also cannot recall if the flap
indicator does the same as the trim indicators. Our panel is wrapped to
keep the darned sanding dust from getting to it. When we finish that, I'll
try to see what the flap indicator does.
What does Ray Allen say about this?
Cheers,
John
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:40:25 EST, <MikeEasley@aol.com> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
> The trim system is hooked up to a Ray Allen position indicator and
> works fine. When I push the PTT button on the stick (either > one) I
> get a bright top LED on the trim indicator. The LED goes out where
> the trim indication is (center of the scale). The top > LED is the one
> that's illuminated when the trim indicator is extended.
>
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Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Bill -
This is the way that Ray Allen dims their LED indicators for night ops.
That circuitry is probably complex and may have something to do with these
problems.
John
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:54:49 -0600, Bill Denton <bdenton@bdenton.com>
wrote:
> Probably not relevant, but when +12v is applied to the white wire on
> the RP3 LED Position Indicator, it dims the indicator lighting...
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Subject: | GPS IFR requirements |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Will N. Stevenson" <will@wavecable.com>
OC,
Thanks once again for a clearly written analysis of the murky FARs, well
done.
Will
do not archive
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Subject: | Thanks Bob; A Good Book |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Will N. Stevenson" <will@wavecable.com>
'Lectric Bob,
Thank you for your wonderful AeroElectric Connection publication. I'm
almost finished and understand what everybody on the List is talking about
now. It's great to read clearly written explanations and lessen areas of
ignorance.
Further in that vein, here's a clearly written and profusely illustrated,
systems type approach to avionics that might be appealing to other beginning
avionics buffs. It's titled "Avionics Training: Systems, Installation and
Troubleshooting" by Len Buckwalter, located at
http://avionics.com/index.html . The chapters on "Connectors" and "Wiring
the Airplane" are good, though he does seem to lean towards ring and knife
connectors. There are chapters on all the different avionic systems out
there now. There is a lot of easily understood information in this book.
It's just recently published.
The website itself has a lot of information and books about avionics,
enjoyable to look through.
Will
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Subject: | Re: GPS IFR requirements |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
That's correct. As homebuilders we have lots of latitude, but not THAT
much :-)
Dennis Glaeser
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Do I take this to mean that if the GPS mfgr says his product is for VFR
only, that there's no way for the homebuilder to legislate his way
around that in the Pilot's Operating Handbook that he writes for the
airplane?
-Stormy
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Subject: | Re: 12v Ipod...Need Vol Help (REAL PROBLEM IS) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
On a related note, one of the biggest problem with little audio devices altogether
not volume control but that they don't put out enough power to drive the intercom
properly in the first place. You end up cranking the portable device up to the
max
and it distorts, and/or you crank the intercom up to compensate which amplifies
the distortion further. Most small audio devices only have enough juice to drive
small ear buds. A pre-amp is the solution.
Here the idea which I plan on using on my RV-7. I am making a little stereo
audio amplifier behind the panel. It can run all the time boosting all aux/music
input signals, taking only milliamps to run. Electronic kits can be bought for
less
than $10. You can get fancy and have access to the volume or even "tone" if you
want, or a little unit that has a fixed boost and hide it behind the panel. The
drain is so low in standby you don't need an on/off.
Some example kits:
http://www.quasarelectronics.com/audio_amplifiers.htm
(scroll down to see stereo modules)
A strong audio input source is not possible with most devices. I have an iPod
and love it of course. I use it in my car with a radio modulator that uses the
bottom plug and it is acceptable, but not perfect. This is a different scenario
using a FM radio modulator than plugging direct into an aux input.
I don't know what its output is like with an aircraft intercom yet, but plan
on
the pre-amp. Also not all "stereo" intercoms are the same. I had a PS
Engineering stereo intercom in my RV-4 and it worked great but suffered
from low input from the portable music source. I did not use a pre-amp .
My RV-7 project has a DRE and is a more powerful stereo unit. Adding a
little pre-amp, I expect good stereo fidelity, at least as much as I can hope
for at 200 MPH and a Lycoming screaming a foot from my feet.
I have not tried it yet, but you can always use more input power with portable
devices (to a point). With a preamp you can run the portable device at low
volume (low distortion) and boost it with the pre-amp; This allows the intercom
to also be at a lower vol. All this is good.
George
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Subject: | Re: Magneto switch wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:57 AM 11/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A"
><dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
>
>A number of Bob's Z-diagrams show how to do this. I believe Z-11 does
>(don't have the diagrams in front of me).
>
>Dennis Glaeser
>RV 7A Wings (installing ailerons & flaps)
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: eddyfernan@aol.com
> Does anyone out there have a drawing of how to wire the magnetos
>with toggle switches
> and a separate starter button? I'd also like wire them with a
>lockout
> in case of kickback (one impulse).
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Engine/Ignition/TogMagSw.pdf
(lower of the two diagrams).
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: ectric-List: |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 10:09 AM 11/14/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
>
>I am not familiar with Jabiru's but if I was ordering new materials for
>this I'd use awg12 wire and a 20 amp breaker.
>
>15 amps might be OK but a 20 amp breaker should not nuisance trip. I
>wouldn't trust a 15 amp fuse as they tend to be quick to trip and might
>well trip when you apply power after an engine start. Your 15 amp
>alternator rating is a nominal rating and it might well put out a little
>more in some conditions. 12 awg wire fits yellow PIDG connectors so it
>is easy to install and will handle 15 or so amps without excessive
>heating or voltage drop for reasonable lengths and wire bundle sizes.
>
>Ken
Good answer, I agree.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: GPS IFR requirements |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jon Goguen <jon.goguen@umassmed.edu>
I assumed this to be correct, and bought an IFR certified GPS. On the
other hand, if I look in the Rotax 912S manual, it says the engine is
restricted to use for day VFR only. This injunction also appears in
the manual for the certified version of the engine. I assume that
Rotax-powered ships do get signed off for IFR use, so the restrictions
in the operating manuals must still allow some lattitude. Is this
correct?
Jon
Jon Goguen
jon.goguen@umassmed.edu
Central Massachusetts
Kitfox Series V Rotax 912S / N456JG (reserved)
Complete except for electrics and avionics
"Nothing worth knowing can be understood by the human mind"
--Woody Allen
On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Glaeser, Dennis A wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A"
> <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
>
> That's correct. As homebuilders we have lots of latitude, but not THAT
> much :-)
>
> Dennis Glaeser
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
> Do I take this to mean that if the GPS mfgr says his product is for VFR
> only, that there's no way for the homebuilder to legislate his way
> around that in the Pilot's Operating Handbook that he writes for the
> airplane?
>
> -Stormy
>
>
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Subject: | Re: GPS IFR requirements |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Actually you don't need a "sign off" for IFR work. I will have mine
inspected for VFR and slide the GNS 430 in later to the preinstalled
tray...I then have the pitot-static/transponder check don and its legal
for IFR...as long as I say so in my OP-lims.
I mean what does it say for my auto conversion??..Nothing...:)
Frank
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon
Goguen
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: GPS IFR requirements
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jon Goguen
--> <jon.goguen@umassmed.edu>
I assumed this to be correct, and bought an IFR certified GPS. On the
other hand, if I look in the Rotax 912S manual, it says the engine is
restricted to use for day VFR only. This injunction also appears in the
manual for the certified version of the engine. I assume that
Rotax-powered ships do get signed off for IFR use, so the restrictions
in the operating manuals must still allow some lattitude. Is this
correct?
Jon
Jon Goguen
jon.goguen@umassmed.edu
Central Massachusetts
Kitfox Series V Rotax 912S / N456JG (reserved) Complete except for
electrics and avionics
"Nothing worth knowing can be understood by the human mind"
--Woody Allen
On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Glaeser, Dennis A wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A"
> <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
>
> That's correct. As homebuilders we have lots of latitude, but not THAT
> much :-)
>
> Dennis Glaeser
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
> Do I take this to mean that if the GPS mfgr says his product is for
> VFR only, that there's no way for the homebuilder to legislate his way
> around that in the Pilot's Operating Handbook that he writes for the
> airplane?
>
> -Stormy
>
>
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Subject: | Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and PTT |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "glong2" <glong2@netzero.net>
John, Mike:
My LED trim indicators - aileron, elevator, and flaps - all dim when
transmitting from either com. Each of my coms has a different antenna. I,
like John have done no troubleshooting because nothing else is affected
except LED brightness. If there is an easy fix, I will fix, else I will
leave alone!
Eugene Long
Lancair Super ES
glong2@netzero.net
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Schroeder
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen Position Indicator Light and
PTT
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
<jschroeder@perigee.net>
Mike -
We get exactly the same thing when we transmit, using either com. I have
not trouble shot this because it does not have any effect on the actual
trim servos themselves. If you are using the RG400 cable for your antenna
runs, I doubt if they are the culprit.
Are you getting this on both the pitch and yaw trim indicators? One guess
would be that the indicator circuitry in the servos themselves are getting
the RF, when you transmit, from the com antenna in the vertical stab and
sending it all the way to the indicator.
Or, the LED indicator itself is picking up the RF and turning the top LED
on. BTW, as I recall, the LED that seems to indicate the position of the
servo/tab also dims when I transmit. I also cannot recall if the flap
indicator does the same as the trim indicators. Our panel is wrapped to
keep the darned sanding dust from getting to it. When we finish that, I'll
try to see what the flap indicator does.
What does Ray Allen say about this?
Cheers,
John
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:40:25 EST, <MikeEasley@aol.com> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
> The trim system is hooked up to a Ray Allen position indicator and
> works fine. When I push the PTT button on the stick (either > one) I
> get a bright top LED on the trim indicator. The LED goes out where
> the trim indication is (center of the scale). The top > LED is the one
> that's illuminated when the trim indicator is extended.
>
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Subject: | Re: Magneto switch wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Franz Fux" <franz@lastfrontierheli.com>
It is actually Z-27 that gives details on wiring one mag and one EI
Franz
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:57 AM 11/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A"
><dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
>
>A number of Bob's Z-diagrams show how to do this. I believe Z-11 does
>(don't have the diagrams in front of me).
>
>Dennis Glaeser
>RV 7A Wings (installing ailerons & flaps)
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: eddyfernan@aol.com
> Does anyone out there have a drawing of how to wire the magnetos
>with toggle switches
> and a separate starter button? I'd also like wire them with a
>lockout
> in case of kickback (one impulse).
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Engine/Ignition/TogMagSw.pdf
(lower of the two diagrams).
Bob . . .
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