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1. 03:24 AM - Re: Miniature air driven generator (Gilles Thesee)
2. 05:10 AM - Miniature air driven generator (rd2@evenlink.com)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: Miniature air driven generator (Gilles Thesee)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Miniature air driven generator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Miniature air driven generator (Gilles Thesee)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: SD8 alternator installation (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Resource..... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Oh God, strippers again (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 09:12 AM - Re: SD8 alternator installation (Werner Schneider)
10. 12:14 PM - noise (bob noffs)
11. 02:20 PM - Re: SD8 alternator installation (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 05:45 PM - T'was the Night Before Christmas - Sports Planes Style (Jim Pellien)
13. 09:42 PM - Re: SD8 alternator installation (Werner Schneider)
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| Subject: | Re: Miniature air driven generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
David Lloyd a crit :
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
>
>Gilles,
>A small solar panel is the way to go.
>However, be sure that you have some simple controller/regulator that will
>prevent the charge voltage from exceeding approx. 13.3 volts. A panel with
>current output as low as 0.25 amp can gas out a lead acid battery if left
>connected long enough in bright sunlight. I suspect a small panel with a
>current limitations of 0.1 amp or less may not really require a controller
>but, it would not hurt to have a simple zener diode with a gate of 13.3 -
>13.6 volts.
>David
>
>
David,
Thank you for responding.
I'll pass the info on to my friend.
Would you care to share more details about the regulator part ? I'm
afraid my buddy will ask me to craft the thing ;-)
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Miniature air driven generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
Gilles,
I missed the earlier discussion, not sure if this is helpful:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a commercially available solar charger - see
www.harborfreight.com, search on "solar" or item 44768-2VGA - is currently
on sale for <$10
I bought one and am pleased with it (can't go wrong with 10 bux) -
weatherproof case, 1.5W, 120 mA max (must really have good light for such
output); pulsating charge; reversible poliarity.
Rumen
do not archive
_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Gilles Thesee; Date: 12:22 PM 12/22/2005
+0100)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
David Lloyd a crit :
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
>
>Gilles,
>A small solar panel is the way to go.
>However, be sure that you have some simple controller/regulator that will
>prevent the charge voltage from exceeding approx. 13.3 volts. A panel with
>current output as low as 0.25 amp can gas out a lead acid battery if left
>connected long enough in bright sunlight. I suspect a small panel with a
>current limitations of 0.1 amp or less may not really require a controller
>but, it would not hurt to have a simple zener diode with a gate of 13.3 -
>13.6 volts.
>David
>
>
David,
Thank you for responding.
I'll pass the info on to my friend.
Would you care to share more details about the regulator part ? I'm
afraid my buddy will ask me to craft the thing ;-)
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Miniature air driven generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
rd2@evenlink.com a crit :
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
>Gilles,
>
>I missed the earlier discussion, not sure if this is helpful:
>Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a commercially available solar charger - see
>www.harborfreight.com, search on "solar" or item 44768-2VGA - is currently
>on sale for <$10
>I bought one and am pleased with it (can't go wrong with 10 bux) -
>weatherproof case, 1.5W, 120 mA max (must really have good light for such
>output); pulsating charge; reversible poliarity.
>
>Rumen
>do not archive
>
>
Rumen,
Thanks for the info. I'm forwarding your message to my buddy.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Miniature air driven generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 12:22 PM 12/22/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
><Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
>David Lloyd a crit :
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
> <skywagon@charter.net>
> >
> >Gilles,
> >A small solar panel is the way to go.
> >However, be sure that you have some simple controller/regulator that will
> >prevent the charge voltage from exceeding approx. 13.3 volts. A panel with
> >current output as low as 0.25 amp can gas out a lead acid battery if left
> >connected long enough in bright sunlight. I suspect a small panel with a
> >current limitations of 0.1 amp or less may not really require a controller
> >but, it would not hurt to have a simple zener diode with a gate of 13.3 -
> >13.6 volts.
> >David
> >
> >
>
>David,
>
>Thank you for responding.
>I'll pass the info on to my friend.
>Would you care to share more details about the regulator part ? I'm
>afraid my buddy will ask me to craft the thing ;-)
Here's an compilation of data on battery maintenance that's
been on the website for some time but never linked except in
e-mail messages. I've added linkage from both the What's New
page and Articles contents page:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Batteries/Battery_Maintenance/Charger_Maintainers.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Miniature air driven generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>>I'll pass the info on to my friend.
>>Would you care to share more details about the regulator part ? I'm
>>afraid my buddy will ask me to craft the thing ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Here's an compilation of data on battery maintenance that's
> been on the website for some time but never linked except in
> e-mail messages. I've added linkage from both the What's New
> page and Articles contents page:
>
>http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Batteries/Battery_Maintenance/Charger_Maintainers.pdf
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
>
Good morning Bob,
Great info.
Thanks a lot.
Merry Christmas to you and all on the list,
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: SD8 alternator installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Sorry to take so long to get back on this. It slipped to the back
burners during a busy time . . .
Your problem is that you're comparing too many different diagrams.
The SD-20 and SD-8 were not intended to be interchangeable.
If you want to use an SD-8, I'll suggest you follow Z-13. The
SD-20 CAN be installed like Z-12 . . . this is how it's done
on certified aircraft as an ADDITION to an existing system. But
once you've gone to the expense of acquiring this large a second
alternator, Z-14 might be better. But EITHER is fine, Z-12 or Z-14.
Don't mix B&C drawings and 'Connection drawings. Do one or the
other. There are a variety of small ways our drawings might differ
but they're insignificant in terms of functionality. Attempting
to "meld" these differences is not a useful exercise.
Bob . . .
At 03:38 PM 10/24/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob rundle" <bobrundle2@hotmail.com>
>
>For what ever reason I'm having trouble fitting this SD8 alternator into the
>single battery, dual alternator set. When looking at the Z-12 diagram the
>installation for the 20A alternator looks simple. Same as 60A alternator.
>Wire off of +ve terminal on start contector, through shunt, etc.
>
>Now looking at the SD8 installation wiring here:
>
>http://www.bandcspecialty.com/PM_OV504-500_RevE.pdf
>
>The alt does not connect to the +ve side of the starter contactor. Instead
>there is a single fuse forward of the firewall and 2 breakers in the main
>bus.
>
>Questions:
>Is the 15 amp fuse in front of the firewall a fuse link? If so what size
>should I make the link since I'm running the SD8 not the 20A alt.
>
>Where do I place the shunt?
>
>So I'm assuming the differences here are:
>The 2A fuse on the bus is the alt field fuse.
>The 10A fuse on the bus is the power.
>
>I'm sure this is easier than I'm making it but for some reason I just can't
>twist my head around this.
>Why is the SD8 connection so different than the 20 Amp alt.
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| Subject: | Re: Resource..... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:41 PM 10/23/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
>
>Ran across this neat/consice bit of an info table this evening....
>
>http://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/wire_resistance.html
Nice compilation of useful data. I've .pdf'd the critter
into my reference files. Thanks!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Oh God, strippers again |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 09:47 AM 12/20/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
><craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>I've seen three different Ideal Stripmaster part numbers bandied about.
>Which is the correct model for stripping the Tefzel wire sold by B&C or
>SteinAir?
>
>45-174 Described as being for "1000 volt Teflon"
>45-177 "600 volt Teflon" (THIS ONE WOULD BE THE CLOSEST FIT)
>45-1610 "MIL-W-81044/12B Type Kynar wire", Gary Edwards
>[gary21sn@hotmail.com] has one of these for sale.
>
>-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: SD8 alternator installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
Hello Bob,
you had once a diagram of the SD8 output on the web I'm not able to
locate it again.
Many thanks for your help
Werner
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
>Sorry to take so long to get back on this. It slipped to the back
>burners during a busy time . . .
>
>Your problem is that you're comparing too many different diagrams.
>The SD-20 and SD-8 were not intended to be interchangeable.
>If you want to use an SD-8, I'll suggest you follow Z-13. The
>SD-20 CAN be installed like Z-12 . . . this is how it's done
>on certified aircraft as an ADDITION to an existing system. But
>once you've gone to the expense of acquiring this large a second
>alternator, Z-14 might be better. But EITHER is fine, Z-12 or Z-14.
>
>Don't mix B&C drawings and 'Connection drawings. Do one or the
>other. There are a variety of small ways our drawings might differ
>but they're insignificant in terms of functionality. Attempting
>to "meld" these differences is not a useful exercise.
>
>Bob . . .
>
>
>At 03:38 PM 10/24/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob rundle" <bobrundle2@hotmail.com>
>>
>>For what ever reason I'm having trouble fitting this SD8 alternator into the
>>single battery, dual alternator set. When looking at the Z-12 diagram the
>>installation for the 20A alternator looks simple. Same as 60A alternator.
>>Wire off of +ve terminal on start contector, through shunt, etc.
>>
>>Now looking at the SD8 installation wiring here:
>>
>>http://www.bandcspecialty.com/PM_OV504-500_RevE.pdf
>>
>>The alt does not connect to the +ve side of the starter contactor. Instead
>>there is a single fuse forward of the firewall and 2 breakers in the main
>>bus.
>>
>>Questions:
>>Is the 15 amp fuse in front of the firewall a fuse link? If so what size
>>should I make the link since I'm running the SD8 not the 20A alt.
>>
>>Where do I place the shunt?
>>
>>So I'm assuming the differences here are:
>>The 2A fuse on the bus is the alt field fuse.
>>The 10A fuse on the bus is the power.
>>
>>I'm sure this is easier than I'm making it but for some reason I just can't
>>twist my head around this.
>>Why is the SD8 connection so different than the 20 Amp alt.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
hi all,
i am ready to mount my fuse block and my ground bus in the cabin. i have a navcom
and a transponder for radios. my 2 mounting sites will be 6'' from the navcom
or 6'' from the transponder. is one site better than the other?
also, i am grounding the ground bus in the engine compartment with a strap from
the neg. battery cable at the engine block. the ground bus will go on the firewall.
is it sound practice to then put 2 #8 or #10 brass machine screws thru
this bus, thru the firewall and finally thru the ground bus in the cabin to ground
the cabin ground bus? thanks in advance for any advice.
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: SD8 alternator installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:11 PM 12/22/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
>
>Hello Bob,
>
>you had once a diagram of the SD8 output on the web I'm not able to
>locate it again.
>
>Many thanks for your help
>
>Werner
The only ones that come to mind are those illustrated in
Appendix Z drawings for the book. Latest drawings are
downloadable at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11D.pdf
See figures Z-13/8, Z-17 and Z-25 for drawings
that illustrate various SD-8 installations.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | T'was the Night Before Christmas - Sports Planes Style |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the forum
not an EMAIL was posted, not even a note.
The stockings were hung by the laptop with care,
in hopes that Tom P. soon would be there.
The pilots were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of SLSA's danced in their heads.
The aircraft in their hangars, and I in my cap,
had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap.
When out on the tarmac there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my desk to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
tore open the shutter, and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
gave the lustre of midday to the tie-downs below,
when, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a Light Sport Aircraft and eight big EAA 'rs.
With a little old pilot, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be Tom P.
More rapid than eagles, his coursers they came,
and he whistled and shouted and called them by name:
"Now Rutan! Now Melville!
Now, Fossett and Boyer!
On, Lawrence! On, Heintz!
On, Van G and Sawyer!
To the end of the runway!
To the tie-down area
Now Shut Down ! Shut Down!
Shut Down All Engines"
As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
when they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky
so up to the top of the FBO they flew,
with the sleigh full of flight toys, and Tom P. too.
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
the prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
As I drew in my head and was turning around,
down the chimney Tom P. came with a bound.
He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
and his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of new FAA rules he had flung on his back,
and he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
and filled all the stockings, with SP and LSA Rulings.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
and giving a nod, up the chimney he rose.
He sprang to his SLSA, completed his preflight,
And away he flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he flew out of sight,
"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"
(An Adaptation of the Classic Poem, "T'was the Night Before Christmas")
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Subject: | Re: SD8 alternator installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
Hello Bob,
no, it was not an illustration of the installation instead a pdf of the
output, it was in a message of you from June 29th on this list and the
picture was
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/SD-8_Output.pdf
Unfortunately I was not able to locate on your website anymore.
Thanks
Werner
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
>At 06:11 PM 12/22/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
>>
>>Hello Bob,
>>
>>you had once a diagram of the SD8 output on the web I'm not able to
>>locate it again.
>>
>>Many thanks for your help
>>
>>Werner
>>
>>
>
> The only ones that come to mind are those illustrated in
> Appendix Z drawings for the book. Latest drawings are
> downloadable at:
>
>http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11D.pdf
>
> See figures Z-13/8, Z-17 and Z-25 for drawings
> that illustrate various SD-8 installations.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
>
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