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1. 02:54 AM - Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Chuck Jensen)
2. 04:34 AM - Thanks for Peer Review (SMITHBKN@aol.com)
3. 08:30 AM - IFR Requirements/Ambiguity ()
4. 08:44 AM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (John Schroeder)
5. 09:17 AM - Re: Thanks for Peer Review (sportav8r@aol.com)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
7. 10:15 AM - Key Switch - single mag (bob rundle)
8. 10:19 AM - Re: Thanks for Peer Review (Jerry Grimmonpre)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (John Schroeder)
10. 10:32 AM - Re: Eyeball Light Question (Larry Mac Donald)
11. 03:03 PM - Re: Eyeball Light Question (Dwight Frye)
12. 04:21 PM - Posting Pictures (Bill Schlatterer)
13. 05:13 PM - Re: Thanks for Peer Review (David Carter)
14. 06:05 PM - Bulb and connector source. (Rob W M Shipley)
15. 07:28 PM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (rv-9a-online)
16. 07:33 PM - Re: Wiring Diagrams (rv-9a-online)
17. 08:23 PM - Wingtip Light Monitors (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
18. 08:49 PM - [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 09:00 PM - [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
20. 10:35 PM - Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. ()
21. 11:31 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
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Subject: | Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
U.S. v. India/China workers. Management/Board of Directors/Shareholders
are unable to discern the difference between lowest price and lowest
cost. Yes, the price of an engineer in India is less than a U.S. one,
but that does not mean that (s)he is lower cost when the totality of all
facets of a product is considered, both long and short term.
Unfortunately, the price of something is easily entered in a
spreadsheet, the true cost of something entails many not easily
quantified components, hence the present 'gutting of America'.
Chuck Jensen
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
richard cannella
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard cannella
<ric52md@yahoo.com>
.......
I have been sitting on these sites for over a year
prepping for the experience of building( gotta learn
to fly first).
This hit a nerve. I work for Lucent in ONG tier 2
tech support( don't hit me if you lost money on the
stock.) We started out with about 75 engineers, now
we're down to 24. Everything has been moved to India
and China. I still have to same number of managers
above me even though we've lost about 100,000
employees. None of the customers like the service
they're getting, but all I hear about is load rate per
engineer and how it reduced over all cost. And our
CEO keeps getting bonuses for doing a good job. Go
figure.
Sorry about my second post with me whining.
Ric
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pretty well. Wait until the current founders
> retire, and the "suits" take over - they'll
> outsource
> the whole operation to the lowest bidder, have a
> couple
> of great quarters, take their golden parachutes, and
> the world will wonder why the company ended up being
> mediocre, or failed.
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> Happy new year!
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> http://www.rv8.ch/
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Subject: | Thanks for Peer Review |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com
Ken,
Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and
catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I needed.
It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using
Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but hey, glad
it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably send
it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly post
this to the list for other's use.
Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system.
Jeff
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Subject: | IFR Requirements/Ambiguity |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1523 1.0000 -1.0881
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Responding to an Avionics-List message previously posted by:
TeamGrumman@aol.com
<< Team Grumman wrote "I don't mean to be splitting hairs (well, maybe I do)
but, since the AIM (and the Advisory Circulars) are information only, and
not federal regulations, is
it 'really' illegal to use a non-IFR approved GPS?">>
1/1/2006
Hello Team Grumman, I am pleased that you raised this issue. Here is my take
on it:
1) Some Advisory Circulars contain the words "Material in this AC is neither
mandatory or regulatory".
The AIM Preface contains this wording: "This publication, while not
regulatory, provides information which reflects examples of operating
techniques and procedures which may be requirements in other federal
publications or regulations. It is made available solely to assist pilots in
executing their responsibilities required by other publications."
So one could logically conclude that an a priori failure to comply with an
AC or the AIM is not "really illegal".
2) Now let's shift into the real world. Suppose a pilot is involved in an
incident, ramp check,** or accident wherein an AC or the AIM has been
violated and the FAA decides to suspend or revoke the pilot's license.
The pilot appeals to an NTSB judge and the FAA cites 14 CFR Sec. 91.13 (a)
"....No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so
as to endanger the life or property of another." and 14 CFR Sec. 91.103
"Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before bginning a flight,
become familiar with all available information concerning that flight." to
support their case.
How do you suppose the NTSB judge is going to rule?
OC
**PS: I recently sat in an audience and listened to the head ASI (Aviation
Safety Inspector) from an FAA FSDO tell how she had been itching for a long
time to run a ramp check on a hot air balloon (the "notch in my pistol grip"
syndrome) and how disappointed she was that she could not find a thing wrong
when she finally got her chance to inspect one. I have also heard stories
(second hand) of ASI's waiting at an airport with a low ceiling or
visibility and interrogating pilots that have just landed.With a mind set
like that among some FAA employees I am not willing to violate an AC or the
AIM without a very deliberate "risk versus reward" examination of the
situation.
PPS: What is a "Team Grumman"?
> In a message dated 12/31/05 7:38:16 AM, bakerocb@cox.net writes:
> "AIM 1-1-19. d. General Requirements 1. Authorization to conduct any GPS
> operation under IFR requires that: (a) GPS navigation equipment used must
> be
> approved in accordance with the requirements specified in Technical
> Standard
> Order (TSO) TSO-C129, or equivalent............."
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Subject: | Re: Annunciator light sizing? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Richard -
I used a lamp version of an NKK series lighted switch and they work very
well. They are LED's. We felt that they need to be dimmed a bit for night,
which can be done in our circuit with a couple of zener diodes.
Contact me off list if you are interested in the specs, wiring diagrams,
catalog (.pdf), sources and pictures of the annunciator panel.
Cheers,
John
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:28:39 -0800, Richard Riley <Richard@RILEY.NET>
wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience or practical suggestions for what
> size - in terms of wattage or lumens - to make an annunciator
> light? It needs to be bright enough to see in daylight (though not
> in direct sunlight) but not blinding at night.
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Subject: | Re: Thanks for Peer Review |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Jeff:
That would be more help than you know.
That said, I have a copy of Excel for Dummies on its way from eBay, so I won't
remain dependent on the spoon-feeding of others when I can learn to do it myself.
Thanks for the impetus.
-Stormy
And, to Bill S.: thanks again for the IFR DVD's - I'm going through them for the
second time while waiting for Kershner's book to arrive.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: SMITHBKN@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com
Ken,
Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and
catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I
needed.
It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using
Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but hey,
glad
it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably send
it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly post
this to the list for other's use.
Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system.
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Annunciator light sizing? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:32:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Richard@RILEY.NET writes:
Does anyone have any experience or practical suggestions for what
size - in terms of wattage or lumens - to make an annunciator
light? It needs to be bright enough to see in daylight (though not
in direct sunlight) but not blinding at night.
>>>>>
Hi Richard-
Here's the approach I used. Has worked quite nicely for almost 300 hours so
far, day and nite. Click on >>Next Entry>> at top of page for sebsequent
pages. Maybe you can get some ideas here.
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5126
Have fun & Happy New Year, y'all!
Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN
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Subject: | Key Switch - single mag |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob rundle" <bobrundle2@hotmail.com>
Can someone tell me how to wire a standard key switch (L,R,BOTH,START) for a
single mag? I have a separate switch for a single plasma III ignition. The
single left mag is has impulse coupling and I start with the mag only and
the elec. ign off.
Thanks
Happy '06
BobR
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Subject: | Re: Thanks for Peer Review |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Hi Jeff ...
Thanks for your contribution idea to use Excel, also to both you and Ken for
the contribution of any future symbols. If the symbols that are contributed
follow those in the Z plans, I think that would be excellent ... it would
facilitate comparing and construction of diagrams. The symbols are well
know to those owning book "The Aeroelectric Connection". If the symbols
were exact copies of those in The Connection book ... what a plus. The word
descriptions of those switch symbols and their internal workings would make
peer reviews a standard to go by. This would help everyone to understand
what it is they have created for wiring their airplane. This would foster
some unique, creative and efficient use of materials and make for safer
wiring. The learning curve of the list would soar.
It seems logical Bob already has these symbols on his computer as part of
The Connection archives. Maybe he would be interested in compiling the
symbols on to one Excel document and placing it at the feet of the list.
This would place all the symbols we have come to "love and adore", at the
disposal of everyone designing their own circuits. What do you say Bob?
What say you all ... ?
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com
>
> Ken,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and
> catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I
> needed.
>
> It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using
> Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but
> hey, glad
> it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably
> send
> it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly
> post
> this to the list for other's use.
>
> Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system.
>
> Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Annunciator light sizing? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Richard -
I'm sorry I forgot to attribute a lot of credit to Mark. He shared his
system with me early on and I used the basics of the schematic in mine. It
is a rock solid piece of work. Since the lights are different, the actual
wiring and hardware reflect this. Check this for some pictures of the
panel & annunciator lights:
http://w1.lancair.net/pix/jschroeder-panel
John
> Hi Richard-
>
> Here's the approach I used. Has worked quite nicely for almost 300
> hours so
> far, day and nite. Click on >>Next Entry>> at top of page for sebsequent
> pages. Maybe you can get some ideas here.
>
> http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5126
>
> Have fun & Happy New Year, y'all!
> Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Eyeball Light Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
Dwight,
This latch-up looks a bit like some Cutler-Hammer
operators I worked with in the early eighties. I believe
that there are a few lamps that will fit your housing.
I mention this because a variety of voltages and wattages
gives you a choice of lamp brightness and lamp longitivity
before you even have to think about lamp dimmers.
What I worked with came with a lamp removal tool.
Note that the lamp is a bayonet base and has to be pushed
in and then twisted to remove. Note also that the lamp
has flat sides. The factory supplied removal tool was a three
inch lenght of tygon tubing!! HTH
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
Do not achcive
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:25:08 -0500 (EST) Dwight Frye
<dwight@openweave.org> writes:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dwight Frye
> <dwight@openweave.org>
> What I do *not* want to do is install these without a good idea of
> the servicability of the lights. I have fiddled with them but am not
> sure I know how to (a) get them apart or (b) replace the bulb.
It is the latter I'm most interested in, and I believe it'll take the
former for me to accomplish the replacment.
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Subject: | Re: Eyeball Light Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Larry,
Thanks for the info. I've discovered that the one I have can easily be
removed with fingers. As is the light won't work for me ... it has a 28V
bulb and I'm building a 14V plane. HOWEVER, through the magic of Google
I tracked down a mini-bayonet T-4 1/2 size bulb that is 12V and I ordered
some. We'll see how well they seem to work on my 12V bench supply. :) If
they work ok, I'll order a handful of lights (if I'm willing to order
25 of the little buggers, they are less than a buck each) and will have
replacement stock for the life of the airplane. :)
-- Dwight
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On Sun Jan 1 16:30:45 2006, Larry Mac Donald wrote :
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
>Dwight,
> This latch-up looks a bit like some Cutler-Hammer
>operators I worked with in the early eighties. I believe
>that there are a few lamps that will fit your housing.
>I mention this because a variety of voltages and wattages
>gives you a choice of lamp brightness and lamp longitivity
>before you even have to think about lamp dimmers.
>What I worked with came with a lamp removal tool.
>Note that the lamp is a bayonet base and has to be pushed
>in and then twisted to remove. Note also that the lamp
>has flat sides. The factory supplied removal tool was a three
>inch lenght of tygon tubing!! HTH
>Larry Mac Donald
>lm4@juno.com
>Rochester N.Y.
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Subject: | Posting Pictures |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Bob, not sure if you are aware of it but Matt has enabled several of the
other lists, RV7 & RV10 in particular so that you can just attach a jpg file
which is much easier than using the photo share. There was some concern
that some folks might attach large files and slow up those on phone lines
instead of broadband but it doesn't seem to be a problem on the other lists.
Matt just asks that the files be limited in size and to jpg, gif, and xls I
think.
I am sure that if you ask him, he would do the same for the AeroElectric
list as well. Just thought I would throw that out in case you didn't know
it was available. Pictures really help the simple minded :-)
Thanks for moderating a great information tool.
Bill S
RV7a Ark Z13/8 sorta
fuse /panel
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Subject: | Re: Thanks for Peer Review |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter11@sbcglobal.net>
Jeff, you said, "It seems I generated more interest and comments with my
approach to using
Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, . . "
This morning I did my first Excel "illustration" using the drawing tools -
"it is slicker'n snot", excuse the expression.
. . . This so much easier and better than using a CAD program I can't
believe it!
Looking forward to downloading a near-future symbols library from your
collaboration with Bill.
David Carter
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From: <SMITHBKN@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com
>
> Ken,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and
> catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I
> needed.
>
> It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using
> Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but
> hey, glad
> it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably
> send
> it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly
> post
> this to the list for other's use.
>
> Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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Subject: | Bulb and connector source. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <rob@robsglass.com>
Harley <harley@AgelessWings.com> wrote with the answer to the "Eyeball Light
Question" So maybe he or one of the other cognoscenti on the list can help
with my query.
I have an (older) Airpath compass with MS17983-2 on the front. It has a
flip up hood at the top of the front which looks to be where a cylindrical
bulb should be inserted. It states that it is for 28v but I can see no
reason why 12v won't work. Is this a correct assumption and does anyone
know of a source/ part number for a 12v version of this which might work?
The back of the compass has a co-axial push on connection for the electrical
supply. Can anyone suggest a source / part number for this too?
Thanks
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
N919RV (res) Fuselage .....still!
La Mesa, CA. (next to San Diego)
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Subject: | Re: Annunciator light sizing? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rv-9a-online <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
FYI to the list:
Through Vx Aviation, www.vx-aviation.com, I've developed several
annunciator lamp fields and controllers. Most of the circuit diagrams
are published for those who prefer to build them from scratch.
For those who don't, I sell pre-made arrays and controllers, as well as
an integrated controller/lamp array.
The real problem with annunciator lamps (besides how to label them) is
how to take all of the different sources (active high, active low,
reversing, etc.), drive the lamps and make them dimmable for night
operation. That's where the Vx controllers come in.
If any one has questions, they can contact me off list.
Thanks, Vern Little
RV-9A
www.vx-aviation.com
John Schroeder wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
>Richard -
>
>I'm sorry I forgot to attribute a lot of credit to Mark. He shared his
>system with me early on and I used the basics of the schematic in mine. It
>is a rock solid piece of work. Since the lights are different, the actual
>wiring and hardware reflect this. Check this for some pictures of the
>panel & annunciator lights:
>
>http://w1.lancair.net/pix/jschroeder-panel
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>>Hi Richard-
>>
>>Here's the approach I used. Has worked quite nicely for almost 300
>>hours so
>>far, day and nite. Click on >>Next Entry>> at top of page for sebsequent
>>pages. Maybe you can get some ideas here.
>>
>>http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5126
>>
>>Have fun & Happy New Year, y'all!
>>Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN
>>
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Subject: | Re: Wiring Diagrams |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rv-9a-online <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
For those on the list that want a headstart using an electrical CAD
package, go to http://vx-aviation.com/page_3.html.
There is a complete aircraft electrical schematic, symbol library, and a
link to free design software from ExpressPCB.
Included in the schematic and library are many of Bob's favorite
switches and other components.
I've used ExpressSCH and ExpressPCB for about 3 years, and I'm very
happy with it. It appeals mostly to those who have used electrical
design software before, and is very easy to learn and use.
Everything is free, is readily customizable and easy to learn.
Vern Little
RV-9A
Lynn Riggs wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Lynn Riggs <riggs_la@yahoo.com>
>
>Jeff,
>
> Do you have an address for where you posted your excel files?
>
>SMITHBKN@aol.com wrote: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com
>
>
>
>I've posted a slimmed down version of my files on the Matronics File/Photo
>share site in an attempt to get some peer reviews of my system since I'm
>actually a rookie as things electrical. If the files and use of Excel have a
>benefit to others in the group .... great. I would like to be able to give
>something back to those that have helped me along.
>
>Jeff Smith
>Knoxville, TN
>RV-7A .... electrical
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Lynn A. Riggs
>riggs_la@yahoo.com
>St. Paul, MN
>BH #656 Kit #22
>http://home.comcast.net/~lariggs/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html
>
> "Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the
>people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only
>safe depositories." -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>---------------------------------
> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
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Subject: | Wingtip Light Monitors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Howdy A-list!
I know this is nothing electric, but that's part of what makes it so cool.
It worked out so well I just thought I'd share with the rest of y'all!
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7883
Click on the fotos for a better view and >>Next Entry>> to the next two pages
for the "how-to". Lemme know if ya got any ?s.
Happy 2 double-oh 6 to all!
Mark Phillips
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Subject: | [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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Subject: | Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. |
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>From: "Robert L.
Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr(at)cox.net>
>The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is
>cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave
>the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw",
>"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all non-quantified terms
>having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service
>life of the alternator.
I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka
Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator
instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth.
You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics.
Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain
Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first.
You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why
care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are
wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is understandable
that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their
ignorance.
>By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer
>for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS.
Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to
be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an
engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you
are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation engineer,
the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than
you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an
oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering.
The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The
American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and
call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country
anyone can call themselves an engineer.
As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your
assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt
and low esteem towards engineers.
Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college
who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously
doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. Second your ignorance is
common of people who dont know the body of knowledge which
encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers.
You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like
failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA
ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data?
Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of
engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure
you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how
superior you are over those college boys. Dumb engineers will live with
it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder
iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years
old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little delusional.
As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls
technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree
from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of
Engineering Technology).
NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of
Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit
and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold
advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of
engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing
boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity.
Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative
comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my
Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how
disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate
you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. I have my sell order in for Monday
morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know
how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things
would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well.
Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767
Happy New Years.
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