---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/01/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:54 AM - Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Chuck Jensen) 2. 04:34 AM - Thanks for Peer Review (SMITHBKN@aol.com) 3. 08:30 AM - IFR Requirements/Ambiguity () 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (John Schroeder) 5. 09:17 AM - Re: Thanks for Peer Review (sportav8r@aol.com) 6. 09:31 AM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 7. 10:15 AM - Key Switch - single mag (bob rundle) 8. 10:19 AM - Re: Thanks for Peer Review (Jerry Grimmonpre) 9. 10:25 AM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (John Schroeder) 10. 10:32 AM - Re: Eyeball Light Question (Larry Mac Donald) 11. 03:03 PM - Re: Eyeball Light Question (Dwight Frye) 12. 04:21 PM - Posting Pictures (Bill Schlatterer) 13. 05:13 PM - Re: Thanks for Peer Review (David Carter) 14. 06:05 PM - Bulb and connector source. (Rob W M Shipley) 15. 07:28 PM - Re: Annunciator light sizing? (rv-9a-online) 16. 07:33 PM - Re: Wiring Diagrams (rv-9a-online) 17. 08:23 PM - Wingtip Light Monitors (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 18. 08:49 PM - [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 19. 09:00 PM - [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 20. 10:35 PM - Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. () 21. 11:31 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. From: "Chuck Jensen" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" U.S. v. India/China workers. Management/Board of Directors/Shareholders are unable to discern the difference between lowest price and lowest cost. Yes, the price of an engineer in India is less than a U.S. one, but that does not mean that (s)he is lower cost when the totality of all facets of a product is considered, both long and short term. Unfortunately, the price of something is easily entered in a spreadsheet, the true cost of something entails many not easily quantified components, hence the present 'gutting of America'. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of richard cannella Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard cannella ....... I have been sitting on these sites for over a year prepping for the experience of building( gotta learn to fly first). This hit a nerve. I work for Lucent in ONG tier 2 tech support( don't hit me if you lost money on the stock.) We started out with about 75 engineers, now we're down to 24. Everything has been moved to India and China. I still have to same number of managers above me even though we've lost about 100,000 employees. None of the customers like the service they're getting, but all I hear about is load rate per engineer and how it reduced over all cost. And our CEO keeps getting bonuses for doing a good job. Go figure. Sorry about my second post with me whining. Ric Do not archive pretty well. Wait until the current founders > retire, and the "suits" take over - they'll > outsource > the whole operation to the lowest bidder, have a > couple > of great quarters, take their golden parachutes, and > the world will wonder why the company ended up being > mediocre, or failed. > > Happy new year! > > -- > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 finishing > > > do not archive > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:05 AM PST US From: SMITHBKN@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com Ken, Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I needed. It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but hey, glad it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably send it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly post this to the list for other's use. Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system. Jeff ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:15 AM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: IFR Requirements/Ambiguity INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1523 1.0000 -1.0881 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Responding to an Avionics-List message previously posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com << Team Grumman wrote "I don't mean to be splitting hairs (well, maybe I do) but, since the AIM (and the Advisory Circulars) are information only, and not federal regulations, is it 'really' illegal to use a non-IFR approved GPS?">> 1/1/2006 Hello Team Grumman, I am pleased that you raised this issue. Here is my take on it: 1) Some Advisory Circulars contain the words "Material in this AC is neither mandatory or regulatory". The AIM Preface contains this wording: "This publication, while not regulatory, provides information which reflects examples of operating techniques and procedures which may be requirements in other federal publications or regulations. It is made available solely to assist pilots in executing their responsibilities required by other publications." So one could logically conclude that an a priori failure to comply with an AC or the AIM is not "really illegal". 2) Now let's shift into the real world. Suppose a pilot is involved in an incident, ramp check,** or accident wherein an AC or the AIM has been violated and the FAA decides to suspend or revoke the pilot's license. The pilot appeals to an NTSB judge and the FAA cites 14 CFR Sec. 91.13 (a) "....No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another." and 14 CFR Sec. 91.103 "Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before bginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight." to support their case. How do you suppose the NTSB judge is going to rule? OC **PS: I recently sat in an audience and listened to the head ASI (Aviation Safety Inspector) from an FAA FSDO tell how she had been itching for a long time to run a ramp check on a hot air balloon (the "notch in my pistol grip" syndrome) and how disappointed she was that she could not find a thing wrong when she finally got her chance to inspect one. I have also heard stories (second hand) of ASI's waiting at an airport with a low ceiling or visibility and interrogating pilots that have just landed.With a mind set like that among some FAA employees I am not willing to violate an AC or the AIM without a very deliberate "risk versus reward" examination of the situation. PPS: What is a "Team Grumman"? > In a message dated 12/31/05 7:38:16 AM, bakerocb@cox.net writes: > "AIM 1-1-19. d. General Requirements 1. Authorization to conduct any GPS > operation under IFR requires that: (a) GPS navigation equipment used must > be > approved in accordance with the requirements specified in Technical > Standard > Order (TSO) TSO-C129, or equivalent............." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Annunciator light sizing? From: "John Schroeder" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" Richard - I used a lamp version of an NKK series lighted switch and they work very well. They are LED's. We felt that they need to be dimmed a bit for night, which can be done in our circuit with a couple of zener diodes. Contact me off list if you are interested in the specs, wiring diagrams, catalog (.pdf), sources and pictures of the annunciator panel. Cheers, John On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:28:39 -0800, Richard Riley wrote: > Does anyone have any experience or practical suggestions for what > size - in terms of wattage or lumens - to make an annunciator > light? It needs to be bright enough to see in daylight (though not > in direct sunlight) but not blinding at night. -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:21 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Jeff: That would be more help than you know. That said, I have a copy of Excel for Dummies on its way from eBay, so I won't remain dependent on the spoon-feeding of others when I can learn to do it myself. Thanks for the impetus. -Stormy And, to Bill S.: thanks again for the IFR DVD's - I'm going through them for the second time while waiting for Kershner's book to arrive. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: SMITHBKN@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com Ken, Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I needed. It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but hey, glad it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably send it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly post this to the list for other's use. Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system. Jeff ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:45 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Annunciator light sizing? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:32:51 PM Central Standard Time, Richard@RILEY.NET writes: Does anyone have any experience or practical suggestions for what size - in terms of wattage or lumens - to make an annunciator light? It needs to be bright enough to see in daylight (though not in direct sunlight) but not blinding at night. >>>>> Hi Richard- Here's the approach I used. Has worked quite nicely for almost 300 hours so far, day and nite. Click on >>Next Entry>> at top of page for sebsequent pages. Maybe you can get some ideas here. http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5126 Have fun & Happy New Year, y'all! Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:37 AM PST US From: "bob rundle" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Key Switch - single mag --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob rundle" Can someone tell me how to wire a standard key switch (L,R,BOTH,START) for a single mag? I have a separate switch for a single plasma III ignition. The single left mag is has impulse coupling and I start with the mag only and the elec. ign off. Thanks Happy '06 BobR ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:59 AM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Hi Jeff ... Thanks for your contribution idea to use Excel, also to both you and Ken for the contribution of any future symbols. If the symbols that are contributed follow those in the Z plans, I think that would be excellent ... it would facilitate comparing and construction of diagrams. The symbols are well know to those owning book "The Aeroelectric Connection". If the symbols were exact copies of those in The Connection book ... what a plus. The word descriptions of those switch symbols and their internal workings would make peer reviews a standard to go by. This would help everyone to understand what it is they have created for wiring their airplane. This would foster some unique, creative and efficient use of materials and make for safer wiring. The learning curve of the list would soar. It seems logical Bob already has these symbols on his computer as part of The Connection archives. Maybe he would be interested in compiling the symbols on to one Excel document and placing it at the feet of the list. This would place all the symbols we have come to "love and adore", at the disposal of everyone designing their own circuits. What do you say Bob? What say you all ... ? Jerry Grimmonpre' Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com > > Ken, > > Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and > catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I > needed. > > It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using > Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but > hey, glad > it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably > send > it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly > post > this to the list for other's use. > > Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system. > > Jeff ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Annunciator light sizing? From: "John Schroeder" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" Richard - I'm sorry I forgot to attribute a lot of credit to Mark. He shared his system with me early on and I used the basics of the schematic in mine. It is a rock solid piece of work. Since the lights are different, the actual wiring and hardware reflect this. Check this for some pictures of the panel & annunciator lights: http://w1.lancair.net/pix/jschroeder-panel John > Hi Richard- > > Here's the approach I used. Has worked quite nicely for almost 300 > hours so > far, day and nite. Click on >>Next Entry>> at top of page for sebsequent > pages. Maybe you can get some ideas here. > > http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5126 > > Have fun & Happy New Year, y'all! > Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN > > -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Eyeball Light Question From: Larry Mac Donald --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald Dwight, This latch-up looks a bit like some Cutler-Hammer operators I worked with in the early eighties. I believe that there are a few lamps that will fit your housing. I mention this because a variety of voltages and wattages gives you a choice of lamp brightness and lamp longitivity before you even have to think about lamp dimmers. What I worked with came with a lamp removal tool. Note that the lamp is a bayonet base and has to be pushed in and then twisted to remove. Note also that the lamp has flat sides. The factory supplied removal tool was a three inch lenght of tygon tubing!! HTH Larry Mac Donald lm4@juno.com Rochester N.Y. Do not achcive On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:25:08 -0500 (EST) Dwight Frye writes: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dwight Frye > > What I do *not* want to do is install these without a good idea of > the servicability of the lights. I have fiddled with them but am not > sure I know how to (a) get them apart or (b) replace the bulb. It is the latter I'm most interested in, and I believe it'll take the former for me to accomplish the replacment. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:41 PM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Eyeball Light Question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Larry, Thanks for the info. I've discovered that the one I have can easily be removed with fingers. As is the light won't work for me ... it has a 28V bulb and I'm building a 14V plane. HOWEVER, through the magic of Google I tracked down a mini-bayonet T-4 1/2 size bulb that is 12V and I ordered some. We'll see how well they seem to work on my 12V bench supply. :) If they work ok, I'll order a handful of lights (if I'm willing to order 25 of the little buggers, they are less than a buck each) and will have replacement stock for the life of the airplane. :) -- Dwight do not archive On Sun Jan 1 16:30:45 2006, Larry Mac Donald wrote : >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald >Dwight, > This latch-up looks a bit like some Cutler-Hammer >operators I worked with in the early eighties. I believe >that there are a few lamps that will fit your housing. >I mention this because a variety of voltages and wattages >gives you a choice of lamp brightness and lamp longitivity >before you even have to think about lamp dimmers. >What I worked with came with a lamp removal tool. >Note that the lamp is a bayonet base and has to be pushed >in and then twisted to remove. Note also that the lamp >has flat sides. The factory supplied removal tool was a three >inch lenght of tygon tubing!! HTH >Larry Mac Donald >lm4@juno.com >Rochester N.Y. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:34 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Posting Pictures --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" Bob, not sure if you are aware of it but Matt has enabled several of the other lists, RV7 & RV10 in particular so that you can just attach a jpg file which is much easier than using the photo share. There was some concern that some folks might attach large files and slow up those on phone lines instead of broadband but it doesn't seem to be a problem on the other lists. Matt just asks that the files be limited in size and to jpg, gif, and xls I think. I am sure that if you ask him, he would do the same for the AeroElectric list as well. Just thought I would throw that out in case you didn't know it was available. Pictures really help the simple minded :-) Thanks for moderating a great information tool. Bill S RV7a Ark Z13/8 sorta fuse /panel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:17 PM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" Jeff, you said, "It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, . . " This morning I did my first Excel "illustration" using the drawing tools - "it is slicker'n snot", excuse the expression. . . . This so much easier and better than using a CAD program I can't believe it! Looking forward to downloading a near-future symbols library from your collaboration with Bill. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks for Peer Review > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com > > Ken, > > Thanks for taking the time to peer review my diagram. Your comments and > catches on my design are most helpful. This is exactly the kind of help I > needed. > > It seems I generated more interest and comments with my approach to using > Excel for my diagram and that was a little bit of a surprise to me, but > hey, glad > it has been helpful. I'll try to clean up my "symbol" library, probably > send > it to Bill so he can add his, and then maybe the two of us can jointly > post > this to the list for other's use. > > Thanks again for the critical review of my electrical system. > > Jeff > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:26 PM PST US From: "Rob W M Shipley" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" Harley wrote with the answer to the "Eyeball Light Question" So maybe he or one of the other cognoscenti on the list can help with my query. I have an (older) Airpath compass with MS17983-2 on the front. It has a flip up hood at the top of the front which looks to be where a cylindrical bulb should be inserted. It states that it is for 28v but I can see no reason why 12v won't work. Is this a correct assumption and does anyone know of a source/ part number for a 12v version of this which might work? The back of the compass has a co-axial push on connection for the electrical supply. Can anyone suggest a source / part number for this too? Thanks Rob Rob W M Shipley N919RV (res) Fuselage .....still! La Mesa, CA. (next to San Diego) I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 10539 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:44 PM PST US From: rv-9a-online Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Annunciator light sizing? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rv-9a-online FYI to the list: Through Vx Aviation, www.vx-aviation.com, I've developed several annunciator lamp fields and controllers. Most of the circuit diagrams are published for those who prefer to build them from scratch. For those who don't, I sell pre-made arrays and controllers, as well as an integrated controller/lamp array. The real problem with annunciator lamps (besides how to label them) is how to take all of the different sources (active high, active low, reversing, etc.), drive the lamps and make them dimmable for night operation. That's where the Vx controllers come in. If any one has questions, they can contact me off list. Thanks, Vern Little RV-9A www.vx-aviation.com John Schroeder wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" > >Richard - > >I'm sorry I forgot to attribute a lot of credit to Mark. He shared his >system with me early on and I used the basics of the schematic in mine. It >is a rock solid piece of work. Since the lights are different, the actual >wiring and hardware reflect this. Check this for some pictures of the >panel & annunciator lights: > >http://w1.lancair.net/pix/jschroeder-panel > >John > > > > >>Hi Richard- >> >>Here's the approach I used. Has worked quite nicely for almost 300 >>hours so >>far, day and nite. Click on >>Next Entry>> at top of page for sebsequent >>pages. Maybe you can get some ideas here. >> >>http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5126 >> >>Have fun & Happy New Year, y'all! >>Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:08 PM PST US From: rv-9a-online Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wiring Diagrams --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rv-9a-online For those on the list that want a headstart using an electrical CAD package, go to http://vx-aviation.com/page_3.html. There is a complete aircraft electrical schematic, symbol library, and a link to free design software from ExpressPCB. Included in the schematic and library are many of Bob's favorite switches and other components. I've used ExpressSCH and ExpressPCB for about 3 years, and I'm very happy with it. It appeals mostly to those who have used electrical design software before, and is very easy to learn and use. Everything is free, is readily customizable and easy to learn. Vern Little RV-9A Lynn Riggs wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Lynn Riggs > >Jeff, > > Do you have an address for where you posted your excel files? > >SMITHBKN@aol.com wrote: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SMITHBKN@aol.com > > > >I've posted a slimmed down version of my files on the Matronics File/Photo >share site in an attempt to get some peer reviews of my system since I'm >actually a rookie as things electrical. If the files and use of Excel have a >benefit to others in the group .... great. I would like to be able to give >something back to those that have helped me along. > >Jeff Smith >Knoxville, TN >RV-7A .... electrical > > > > > > > >Lynn A. Riggs >riggs_la@yahoo.com >St. Paul, MN >BH #656 Kit #22 >http://home.comcast.net/~lariggs/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html > > "Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the >people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only >safe depositories." -- Thomas Jefferson > >--------------------------------- > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:37 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Light Monitors --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy A-list! I know this is nothing electric, but that's part of what makes it so cool. It worked out so well I just thought I'd share with the rest of y'all! http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7883 Click on the fotos for a better view and >>Next Entry>> to the next two pages for the "how-to". Lemme know if ya got any ?s. Happy 2 double-oh 6 to all! Mark Phillips ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:53 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Schlatterer Lists: AeroElectric-List Subject: How to build custom connecting shapes (parts) for schematics in Excel http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net.01.01.2006/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:28 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Schlatterer Lists: AeroElectric-List Subject: Excel Parts List Library http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net-1.01.01.2006/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:55 PM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: >From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" >The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is >cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave >the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw", >"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all non-quantified terms >having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service >life of the alternator. I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth. You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics. Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first. You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is understandable that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their ignorance. >By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer >for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS. Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation engineer, the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering. The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country anyone can call themselves an engineer. As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt and low esteem towards engineers. Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. Second your ignorance is common of people who dont know the body of knowledge which encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers. You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data? Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how superior you are over those college boys. Dumb engineers will live with it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little delusional. As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of Engineering Technology). NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity. Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. I have my sell order in for Monday morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well. 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