---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/02/06: 53 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:38 AM - Re: Wingtip Light Monitors (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 2. 04:56 AM - Gotcha! () 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Tom Velvick) 4. 06:17 AM - Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables (Kelly McMullen) 5. 06:18 AM - Re: [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share (sportav8r@aol.com.Available!) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables (Ralph E. Capen) 7. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 06:36 AM - Re: Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 07:05 AM - Re: Gotcha! (sportav8r@aol.com) 10. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara (Dave Morris \) 11. 07:27 AM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Harley) 12. 07:53 AM - D25 Steering Diode Question ? (Bill Schlatterer) 13. 08:06 AM - Re: Gotcha! (BobsV35B@aol.com) 14. 08:14 AM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 15. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Harold) 16. 08:45 AM - Re: D25 Steering Diode Question ? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 17. 08:55 AM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Harley) 18. 09:12 AM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Larry Mac Donald) 19. 09:13 AM - Re: D25 Steering Diode Question ? (Tim Olson) 20. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Z-24 Nusance trips (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 21. 10:09 AM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Harley) 22. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Richard Dudley) 23. 10:39 AM - Re: Gotcha! (Mickey Coggins) 24. 10:42 AM - Re: D25 Steering Diode Question ? (Bill Schlatterer) 25. 11:02 AM - Re: Gotcha! (Dave Morris \) 26. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 27. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Gordon or Marge Comfort) 28. 12:11 PM - Transponder Static on intercom (Richard Hughes) 29. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Dr. Peter Laurence) 30. 01:06 PM - Re: Transponder Static on intercom (James Redmon) 31. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 32. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 33. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Frank Stringham) 34. 02:35 PM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Larry Mac Donald) 35. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Harold) 36. 03:21 PM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Harold) 37. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Peter Laurence) 38. 03:35 PM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Harley) 39. 04:06 PM - Re: Florida 2006 Seminar (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 40. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Jim Wickert) 41. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Peter Laurence) 42. 04:48 PM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Larry Mac Donald) 43. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara (Guy Buchanan) 44. 06:17 PM - Re: Bulb and connector source. (Harley) 45. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (James H Nelson) 46. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Harold) 47. 06:26 PM - noise (bob noffs) 48. 06:54 PM - We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 49. 07:19 PM - Re: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (Harold) 50. 07:38 PM - Re: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Ni... (Fiveonepw@AOL.COM) 51. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. (John Schroeder) 52. 08:07 PM - Re: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Ni... (Matt Prather) 53. 08:10 PM - Re: Wingtip Light Monitors (D Wysong) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:32 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Wingtip Light Monitors --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Great info, Mark. Thanx for posting, I think I'll do mine up the same way. Do not archive. Jerry Cochran Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Light Monitors --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy A-list! I know this is nothing electric, but that's part of what makes it so cool. It worked out so well I just thought I'd share with the rest of y'all! http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7883 Click on the fotos for a better view and >>Next Entry>> to the next two pages for the "how-to". Lemme know if ya got any ?s. Happy 2 double-oh 6 to all! Mark Phillips ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:46 AM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Gotcha! INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.1070 1.0000 -1.3506 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: 1/2/2005 For all of us believers in the magic of GPS and modern avionics please read the below cautionary tale: http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/2003/A03F0114/A03F0114.asp My flight time over the ocean is not that great, but the terror that wells up when one has been out of sight of land for hours and is uncertain of their position is huge. Particularly note the diagram at the end of this article. Imagine the decision process / courage involved in making that greater than 270 degree turn to the right. OC PS: All pilots flying around IFR with out dated GPS data bases should read this article. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:32 AM PST US From: Tom Velvick Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tom Velvick *To gmcjetpilot alias George alias ???. It sure is easy to brag about your credentials when you dont post your real name. I find it ironic that you get on Bob over his credentials, but you are just an anonymous poster who could be the bigger bullsh$$er of all time. Why dont you add a few more titles while you are at it. No one will ever know if you are telling the truth of not. Tom Velvick >> Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 Happy New Years. * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:17 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: AeroElectric-List: Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen I recall seeing on Bob's website a few years ago that he offered some custom made cables, perhaps with more flex than tefzal. However I find no reference to any of that now. Can anyone point me in the right direction, or who might offer such a service, as I don't really want to buy crimpers for #2 lugs. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:32 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com.Available! Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Available! Now THAT'S helpful. Maybe I can get a refund on my Excel for Dummies book, which I may not need now. Thanks, Bill; great contribution to the list and the way we'll be visually sharing ideas here from now on. -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Email List Photo Shares Subject: AeroElectric-List: [ Bill Schlatterer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Schlatterer Lists: AeroElectric-List Subject: How to build custom connecting shapes (parts) for schematics in Excel http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net.01.01.2006/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:18 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" IIRC - it was a pointer to B&C specialties http://www.bandcspecialty.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > > > I recall seeing on Bob's website a few years ago that he offered some > custom made cables, perhaps with more flex than tefzal. However I find > no reference to any of that now. Can anyone point me in the right > direction, or who might offer such a service, as I don't really want to > buy crimpers for #2 lugs. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:06 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. At 10:34 PM 1/1/2006 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > >From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > >The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is > >cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave > >the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw", > >"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all > non-quantified terms > >having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service > >life of the alternator. > >I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka >Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator >instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth. >You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics. >Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain >Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first. I'm pleased that you're enjoying it sir but I wonder if you truly understand the reason for the inquiry . . . and please note that the quotation of me was taken from something other than my letter to Niagara. I did talk to Van's . . . they could not offer any clarification. I never attacked Blue Mountain. Greg attacked me with words like: "I've seen so much truly atrocious work, much of it per Bob's book". When I asked him for clarification, over the course of several e-mails he refused to answer a single, direct and politely crafted question. Words SHOULD mean things. So one presumes that when the phrases I cited above were offered to expand a customer's understanding of the product offered, it's reasonable to ask for definitions. This is especially important when the words seem to imply weakness or fragility when compared to similar products. For example, suppose I offered you a new kit aircraft where I suggested: "Do not operate too slow lest you fall out of the sky, do not apply full control movements too fast lest you break something." Would you not be curious as to the numbers describing "too slow" and "too fast." I'm aware of no other manufacturer who has found value in suggesting that their alternator be "pampered" in any way. The astute consumer would want to know what's different between Niagara's products their competition . . . and further, what value the customer might get from observing the cautions. I'll make a wager with you. I'm willing to bet that the folks at Niagara have no basis in physics for the paragraph under discussion. We'll further deduce that putting such words in their product literature unfairly suggests a deficiency in their product's capabilities. We'll find that eliminating those words will make their customers feel better about the product and offer no real risks for making the decision to buy the product. What's your wager? What's your hypothesis as to the answers to my questions? I'll suggest that a discussion of alternator physics will be a lot more fun than trying to paint me as the dishonorable individual you seem to perceive. > > You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why >care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are >wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is >understandable >that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their >ignorance. I offered nothing in the way of an opinion to Niagra. I simply introduced myself and inquired as to further definition of their words. It's not polite to start a conversation with an argument when it's possible that they will come forward with perfectly good reasons for their words. If they have good reasons, I'll be delighted to understand the basis on which they're offered. That's how one learns new things. Wouldn't you agree? Are you not equally interested in their answer? Wouldn't it be really cool if I win my wager and Niagara's products can shed an unfair suggestion of reduced value? > > >By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer > >for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS. > >Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to >be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an >engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you >are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation >engineer, >the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than >you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an >oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering. Please don't toss the ol' sop out about degrees. I've worked with many well degreed folks who cannot do 1/10th of what I do. A degree is simply a demonstration of your ability to learn and says nothing about your ability or willingness to apply what you've learned. I was blessed with many opportunities to learn on my job. You know nothing about how well I do anything and what my employers choose to call me and how they assign my tasks is their business. I've worked with some stellar folks and with some duds both in management and engineering. So what's new? Are you suggesting that ANY "real" EE could step in an take my job? Some could, most could not. > > The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The >American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and >call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country >anyone can call themselves an engineer. > > As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your >assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt >and low esteem towards engineers. Only some engineers. Nature has provided us with the bell curve: a graphical presentation of gaussian distribution of traits in large populations. In the population of engineers, there are some that are very good and place high on the ordinate for capability but low in numbers compared to the whole. But for every exceptional individual, there must be a counter balancing individual who may wear the mantle but has never achieved stature in their craft. These too are small in number. Most are scattered along the curve in accordance with their skills, willingness to learn and opportunities to exercise their craft. I shouldn't have to explain that to an educated person but meanings you attribute to my words suggest that you don't understand this simple truth. > > Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college >who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously >doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. I have said no such thing. I've made note of the fact that my JC techs could all hit the ground running and the brightest and most motivated became invaluable employees . . . some went on to get higher degrees and are still invaluable employees. But as noted above, a degree does not an invaluable employee make. All of us have to perform in the marketplace and a degree guarantees nothing. >Second your ignorance is common of people who dont know the body of >knowledge which >encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers. >You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like >failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA >ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data? Hmmm . . . first I'm compared with Fox News and now Cheers. I don't watch either. In fact I watch very little television. Therefore I'm at a loss to evaluate your similes. George, George . . . you claim to know so much about me but you keep offering opinions that do not agree with fact. May I suggest some good books might prove much more useful than television? Have you read any Thomas Sowell? Frederick Bastiat? Thomas Paine? Don't if or where these guys went to school and it doesn't matter. They write in simple ideas imminently understandable and of obvious value. My goal is to think and write like these men. What are your goals? > > Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of >engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure >you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how >superior you are over those college boys. Gee, I'll have to think about that . . . no, I don't have any such stories. But I can tell you that in the aircraft business, the vast majority of degreed engineers have become paper-pushers. Their engineering knowledge brought with them out of school was never given an opportunity to be exercised and grow. . . use it or loose it. Unlike most of my contemporaries, I'm blessed with opportunities to learn something new every day. Aviation is singularly hard on engineers and offers only rare opportunities to excel. > Dumb engineers will live with >it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder >iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years >old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little >delusional. The delusion is your's sir. You're welcome to come walk with me for a week and see what I do for a living . . . When did I ever speak to the uselessness of math? I cannot imagine where you get these ideas. I have a half dozen computers that I regularly program for various control tasks and analysis by calculation. I try to keep plenty of calculators laying around so that one is always at hand. I have one on my wrist! Now, when was the last time I was able to make use of any technique from say, chapter 13 of my Calculus text book? Never. That doesn't mean those disciplines are not useful to some individuals. Every engineer I've ever worked with has confirmed that in the hard-cold-cruel world of keeping happy customers coming back to buy your products, they've used but a tiny fraction of that which academia thought was important. > >As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls >technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree >from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of >Engineering Technology). > >NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of >Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit >and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold >advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of >engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing >boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity. > >Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative >comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my >Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how >disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate >you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. I'd recommend that. If Raytheon would dump the aircraft albatross the corporate stock would probably run back up to $75. Now that the 4000 is close to certification, they'll probably continue their exercise in self-abuse somewhat longer. But short of a big shooting war I don't expect to see Raytheon stock do anything spectacular. Less than 1/4th of my retirement portfolio holds Raytheon. Just the humble opinion of an inside observer over the past 20 years. But please don't take my word for it. I bought all of my stock when it crashed from $75 to $18 a few years back . . . but it's been frustratingly static for a long time. My investment advisor cousin has suggested that I not buy any more . . . there are presently much better places to put your money. >I have my sell order in for Monday >morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know >how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things >would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well. > > Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 > > Happy New Years. My new year is starting off very nicely thank you. I'm sorry that your's is so burdened with unhappy thoughts borne out of ignorance about me and what appears to be a disregard for folks who choose to learn outside the hallowed halls of ivy. If universities were the only source for useful knowledge, there are many stellar minds in history that should never have achieved greatness. I'm saddened that you do not seem to understand or appreciate this fact. Your buddy Bob (a get-yer-hands-dirty imposter that draws the salary of an engineer and has thousands of happy customers). ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:33 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heavy Duty battery & Starter Cables --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:15 AM 1/2/2006 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >I recall seeing on Bob's website a few years ago that he offered some >custom made cables, perhaps with more flex than tefzal. However I find >no reference to any of that now. Can anyone point me in the right >direction, or who might offer such a service, as I don't really want to >buy crimpers for #2 lugs. http://bandc.biz took over that business from me several years ago. But you could solder them as well. It's an equally useful technique described at: http://aeroelectric.com/articles/big_term.pdf Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:05 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Gotcha! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Chilling. I've done something similar but far less grave by entering an estimated position from a sectional for a private airport, then flying there, and upon landing entering the menu to refine the lat-lon data to reflect actual position on the ground. Somehow an "N" got toggled to an "S" on the lattitude while I fiddled with it, and the Go To feature, when next activated, showed over 3,000 miles to return to the field I had just left! Didn't take long to figure out, but it gives added realism to me for what these lost souls faced that day over the Pacific. -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: bakerocb@cox.net Subject: AeroElectric-List: Gotcha! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: 1/2/2005 For all of us believers in the magic of GPS and modern avionics please read the below cautionary tale: http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/2003/A03F0114/A03F0114.asp My flight time over the ocean is not that great, but the terror that wells up when one has been out of sight of land for hours and is uncertain of their position is huge. Particularly note the diagram at the end of this article. Imagine the decision process / courage involved in making that greater than 270 degree turn to the right. OC PS: All pilots flying around IFR with out dated GPS data bases should read this article. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:32 AM PST US From: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Airparts. Well, Georgy-poo, I know what Bob has contributed to this hobby over the past decade. Just exactly what have you contributed to our understanding of OBAM electrical systems? Dave Morris Software ENGINEER At 12:34 AM 1/2/2006, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > >From: > "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > >The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is > >cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave > >the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw", > >"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all > non-quantified terms > >having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service > >life of the alternator. > >I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka >Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator >instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth. >You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics. >Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain >Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first. > > You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why >care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are >wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is >understandable >that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their >ignorance. > > >By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer > >for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS. > >Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to >be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an >engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you >are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation >engineer, >the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than >you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an >oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering. > > The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The >American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and >call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country >anyone can call themselves an engineer. > > As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your >assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt >and low esteem towards engineers. > > Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college >who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously >doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. Second your ignorance is >common of people who dont know the body of knowledge which >encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers. >You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like >failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA >ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data? > > Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of >engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure >you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how >superior you are over those college boys. Dumb engineers will live with >it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder >iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years >old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little >delusional. > > As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls >technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree >from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of >Engineering Technology). > > NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of >Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit >and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold >advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of >engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing >boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity. > > Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative >comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my >Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how >disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate >you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. I have my sell order in for Monday >morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know >how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things >would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well. > > Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 > > Happy New Years. > > >--------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:11 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley Morning, Rob... That's me! And, I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no bulb (to check the number of, so I can cross it's specs to find a compatible 12-14 volt version). And, at the moment, it's stored on a shelf down in my hangar...about 25 miles from here, and freezing rain predicted for today! So, I ain't going nowhere. So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, then repair parts) found the following: 330 - 14V Light Bulb 14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps Cat No: 330 $3.00 334 - 28V Light Bulb 28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps Cat No: 334 Now we both know! Harley Dixon Rob W M Shipley wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" > >Harley wrote with the answer to the "Eyeball Light >Question" So maybe he or one of the other cognoscenti on the list can help >with my query. >I have an (older) Airpath compass with MS17983-2 on the front. It has a >flip up hood at the top of the front which looks to be where a cylindrical >bulb should be inserted. It states that it is for 28v but I can see no >reason why 12v won't work. Is this a correct assumption and does anyone >know of a source/ part number for a 12v version of this which might work? >The back of the compass has a co-axial push on connection for the electrical >supply. Can anyone suggest a source / part number for this too? >Thanks >Rob >Rob W M Shipley >N919RV (res) Fuselage .....still! >La Mesa, CA. (next to San Diego) > > >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 10539 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:19 AM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: AeroElectric-List: D25 Steering Diode Question ? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" Anyone? Just need a little learning experience. In the Connection, Bob says you can just cut off two of the tabs on the D25 and use the + and one adjacent to the +. It appears that either of the poles adjacent to the + will work fine. Now, on the diagram that came with the D25 from B&C, they show a configuration as a steering diode between the Main and E-Bus and they want you to connect both of the poles adjacent to + in a kind of wishbone scenario instead of just one pole. I think that there is a diode on each pole but what would be the benefit of connecting it this way. Does it carry more current, provide redundancy, etc. ?? Why or why not use this configuration? Thanks for the help. Bill S 7a Ark fuse/panel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:54 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Gotcha! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com In a message dated 1/2/2006 9:06:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes: Chilling. I've done something similar but far less grave by entering an estimated position from a sectional for a private airport, then flying there, and upon landing entering the menu to refine the lat-lon data to reflect actual position on the ground. Somehow an "N" got toggled to an "S" on the lattitude while I fiddled with it, and the Go To feature, when next activated, showed over 3,000 miles to return to the field I had just left! Didn't take long to figure out, but it gives added realism to me for what these lost souls faced that day over the Pacific. -Stormy Good Morning Stormy and OC, Garbage in, Garbage out. The problem with self loading of waypoints is evident. In the early days of INS navigation we often misloaded waypoints in the navigation units. We all thought we were being careful, but errors did creep in. After a few mistakes, most of us established fairly good procedures for cross checks to catch the errors. Shortly before I retired, the company I worked for did issue company procedures which were culled from the various methods that had been found to work adequately by the using crews. The difficulties encountered by that Convair crew could imply that they were not being careful. However, my experience tells me that it could happen, and often has, to almost any competent crew. Fortunately, when such things happened to most of us, we were not in a position where it caused a problem. We who were flying for major carriers had the benefit of the experience of all of the pilots we worked with to help us develop good cross checking procedures. Those procedures were then formalized and issued to the working crews. While those procedures should keep things on an even keel, it is still important to remind the crews that we are human and do make mistakes. I have always felt that the smartest thing my employer did was encourage crews to let everybody else know every time that we made individual errors so that all crews could learn therefrom. No one was ever chastised for making an error. The idea was that if one of us could make that mistake, so could the rest of us. The most dangerous attitude of all is that attitude which says: "I could never do something that dumb because my procedures are fool proof." Better yet (with absolutely NO religious connotation meant or implied) "There but for the grace of God go I." Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:45 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 10:24 AM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley > >Morning, Rob... > >That's me! > >And, I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no bulb >(to check the number of, so I can cross it's specs to find a compatible >12-14 volt version). And, at the moment, it's stored on a shelf down in >my hangar...about 25 miles from here, and freezing rain predicted for >today! > >So, I ain't going nowhere. > >So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, then >repair parts) found the following: > >330 - 14V Light Bulb >14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps >Cat No: 330 $3.00 >334 - 28V Light Bulb >28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps >Cat No: 334 here are the data sheets on these lamps: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Lamps/T1p75_lamps.pdf You can purchase from Allied at: http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?FN=1531.pdf Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:44 AM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" BRAVO, well said Harold, not an engineer, just thankful for a Bob to help dodos such as I. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:23 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D25 Steering Diode Question ? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 09:50 AM 1/2/2006 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" > > >Anyone? Just need a little learning experience. In the Connection, Bob says >you can just cut off two of the tabs on the D25 and use the + and one >adjacent to the +. It appears that either of the poles adjacent to the + >will work fine. Correct See: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Wiring_Technique/diode_wiring.jpg http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/s401-25.jpg > Now, on the diagram that came with the D25 from B&C, they >show a configuration as a steering diode between the Main and E-Bus and they >want you to connect both of the poles adjacent to + in a kind of wishbone >scenario instead of just one pole. this works too. >I think that there is a diode on each pole but what would be the benefit of >connecting it this way. Does it carry more current, provide redundancy, >etc. ?? Why or why not use this configuration? You'll get a slightly lower voltage drop but not significantly lower. You can wire multiple diodes in parallel but don't depend on this technique to "double" current rating of the steering diode. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:47 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > >At 10:24 AM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley >> >>Morning, Rob... >> >>That's me! >> >>And, I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no bulb >>(to check the number of, so I can cross it's specs to find a compatible >>12-14 volt version). And, at the moment, it's stored on a shelf down in >>my hangar...about 25 miles from here, and freezing rain predicted for >>today! >> >>So, I ain't going nowhere. >> >>So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, then >>repair parts) found the following: >> >>330 - 14V Light Bulb >>14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps >>Cat No: 330 $3.00 >>334 - 28V Light Bulb >>28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps >>Cat No: 334 >> >> > > here are the data sheets on these lamps: > >http://www.aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Lamps/T1p75_lamps.pdf > > You can purchase from Allied at: > > http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?FN=1531.pdf > > Bob . . . > > > Bob... Sorry about the link to "gyrohouse" that was attached...I just meant to copy the specs and the numbers itself ... I should have edited it before clicking "send"! I didn't mean to imply that you should get them there! Harley ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. From: Larry Mac Donald --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald Guy's My Airpath ( pilots standby compass ) is placarded as a 28 volt system. The lamp in it is a 6e327. I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no > bulb > So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, > then repair parts) found the following: > 330 - 14V Light Bulb > > 14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps > Cat No: 330 $3.00 > 334 - 28V Light Bulb > > 28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps > Cat No: 334 Now we both know! Harley Dixon Rob W M Shipley wrote: > >I have an (older) Airpath compass with MS17983-2 on the front. It > has a > >flip up hood at the top of the front which looks to be where a > cylindricalbulb should be inserted. It states that it is for 28v but I can > see noreason why 12v won't work. Is this a correct assumption and does > anyoneknow of a source/ part number for a 12v version of this which might > work?The back of the compass has a co-axial push on connection for the > electricalsupply. Can anyone suggest a source / part number for this too? > >Thanks > >Rob ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:10 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D25 Steering Diode Question ? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson You already got your official answer from Bob, so this is just a bonus confirmation. Yes, you have 2 diodes that you can use in parallel, with a common output. You won't get a lot more current carrying, because it's still just coming out one terminal, but you can use both diodes if you're so inclined. I just wired mine yesterday and used both. I'm also hoping that Eric gets a good mounting kit for his schottky diode, as I'd really like to use that one instead if possible. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE Bill Schlatterer wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" > > Anyone? Just need a little learning experience. In the Connection, Bob says > you can just cut off two of the tabs on the D25 and use the + and one > adjacent to the +. It appears that either of the poles adjacent to the + > will work fine. Now, on the diagram that came with the D25 from B&C, they > show a configuration as a steering diode between the Main and E-Bus and they > want you to connect both of the poles adjacent to + in a kind of wishbone > scenario instead of just one pole. > > I think that there is a diode on each pole but what would be the benefit of > connecting it this way. Does it carry more current, provide redundancy, > etc. ?? Why or why not use this configuration? > > Thanks for the help. > > Bill S > 7a Ark > fuse/panel > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:08 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Z-24 Nusance trips --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Mike, Your OVM-14 is on the way back. The setpoint was a tad low (15.8 vs 16.3) and the unit was missing a mod we put into the other versions several years back. I've updated and re-adjusted your unit. I've also let B&C know that there's a loose end to be picked up. Let us know how the repaired unit works for you. Bob . . . At 03:56 PM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" > >Bob, reposes to your questions - > >"Is your OV module purchased or DIY project? If purchased, > how long have you had it? If DIY, did you get the latest mod > incorporated?" > >It was purchased from B&C, OVM-14 on 10/9/2003. Okay, That should be the latest configuration. > "If you have a purchased OV module, I'd like to get my hands > on it." > >I can pull it and send to you but this raises other questions. Will this >lead to any safety problems? I can appreciate your difficulty answering a >question like that so let me rephrase it - Should I purchase and install a >replacement before I send you the existing one? No, I'll turn yours very quickly and real ov conditions are very rare. >It wired directly to the circuit breaker and ignition switch so it won't >be much trouble to get to and remove. I just don't want a current >annoyance to become a bigger problem, if you know what I mean. I'm based >at Chino if you are somewhere area I can fly to your shop and we may be >able to figure out what is going and post it to the list. I'm in Wichita KS. Priority mail to Bob Nuckolls 6936 Bainbridge Road Wichita, KS 67226 Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:05 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley Larry... It appears you may have hit on something here. After your post, I rechecked, "GyroHouse" and they do indeed list the 334 as the 28 volt bulb for the Airpath Compass. But, on checking the configuration of the 334, it is a grooved base bulb...the 327 (which is what you have) and the 330 are flanged bases. Looks like GyroHouse may be selling the wrong bulb for a 28 volt system. Harley Larry Mac Donald wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald > >Guy's >My Airpath ( pilots standby compass ) is placarded >as a 28 volt system. The lamp in it is a 6e327. > > I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no > > >>bulb >>So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, >>then repair parts) found the following: >>330 - 14V Light Bulb >> >>14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps >>Cat No: 330 $3.00 >>334 - 28V Light Bulb >> >>28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps >>Cat No: 334 >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:36 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Greetings, Bob I am incredulous that anyone could be brash enough or ignorant enough to display his/her bigotry in a public forum as this person has. That one wears his list of titles on his sleeve thinking that the title "engineer" is only earned by someone with a degree. I would expect such a bigoted, arrogant person must have either not quite entered the real world or just entered thinking that his degrees really mean something. Most of us know that the degrees only impress the recruiter and influence the starting salary. From then on, it is "show us performance". That performance of the person with a long list of degrees often lacking in the real world. Many of us who have monitored this list for a few years have learned to respect your expertise, your recommendations, your writings and design philosophies. I have read many of the recent exchanges with the naysayers who somehow want to grab some limelight and seem to resent your calm, polite, measured, systematic engineering approach to evaluate claims that are presented without data. Over the 6+ years that I have been building I have placed much weight in the rational for your design recommendations and incorporated many of them in my now flying RV-6A. During that time, it never occurred to me to wonder what your academic credentials are. Or question whether or not you had a title of ENGINEER or whatever. It has been my considered opinion that your advice and recommendations were based on good science and engineering (which includes DATA). Keep up the great work, Bob!! For the record, my opinions are based on BS, MS, PhD from respectable universities and 29 years experience in semiconductor engineering and science with a major industrial laboratory and 50+ years of flying Best regards and Happy New Year Richard Dudley RV-6A flying Robert L. Nuckolls, III Airparts. wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. > >At 10:34 PM 1/1/2006 -0800, you wrote: > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: >> >> >> >>>From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" >>> >>> >> >The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is >> >> >>>cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave >>>the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw", >>>"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all >>> >>> >>non-quantified terms >> >> >>>having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service >>>life of the alternator. >>> >>> >>I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka >>Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator >>instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth. >>You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics. >>Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain >>Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first. >> >> > > I'm pleased that you're enjoying it sir but I wonder if you > truly understand the reason for the inquiry . . . and please > note that the quotation of me was taken from something other > than my letter to Niagara. > > I did talk to Van's . . . they could not offer any clarification. > I never attacked Blue Mountain. Greg attacked me with words like: > > "I've seen so much truly atrocious work, much of it per Bob's book". > > When I asked him for clarification, over the course of several > e-mails he refused to answer a single, direct and politely > crafted question. > > Words SHOULD mean things. So one presumes that when the phrases > I cited above were offered to expand a customer's understanding > of the product offered, it's reasonable to ask for definitions. > This is especially important when the words seem to imply > weakness or fragility when compared to similar products. > > For example, suppose I offered you a new kit aircraft where I > suggested: "Do not operate too slow lest you fall out of the sky, > do not apply full control movements too fast lest you break something." > Would you not be curious as to the numbers describing "too slow" > and "too fast." > > I'm aware of no other manufacturer who has found value in suggesting > that their alternator be "pampered" in any way. The astute consumer > would want to know what's different between Niagara's products > their competition . . . and further, what value the customer might > get from observing the cautions. > > I'll make a wager with you. I'm willing to bet that the folks at > Niagara have no basis in physics for the paragraph under discussion. > We'll further deduce that putting such words in their product > literature unfairly suggests a deficiency in their product's > capabilities. We'll find that eliminating those words will make > their customers feel better about the product and offer no real > risks for making the decision to buy the product. What's your > wager? What's your hypothesis as to the answers to my questions? > I'll suggest that a discussion of alternator physics will be a lot > more fun than trying to paint me as the dishonorable individual you > seem to perceive. > > > > >> You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why >>care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are >>wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is >>understandable >>that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their >>ignorance. >> >> > > I offered nothing in the way of an opinion to Niagra. I simply > introduced myself and inquired as to further definition of their > words. It's not polite to start a conversation with an argument > when it's possible that they will come forward with perfectly > good reasons for their words. If they have good reasons, I'll > be delighted to understand the basis on which they're offered. > That's how one learns new things. Wouldn't you agree? Are you > not equally interested in their answer? Wouldn't it be really > cool if I win my wager and Niagara's products can shed > an unfair suggestion of reduced value? > > > >>>By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer >>>for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS. >>> >>> >>Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to >>be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an >>engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you >>are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation >>engineer, >>the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than >>you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an >>oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering. >> >> > > Please don't toss the ol' sop out about degrees. > I've worked with many well degreed folks who cannot do > 1/10th of what I do. A degree is simply a demonstration of > your ability to learn and says nothing about your ability or > willingness to apply what you've learned. I was blessed with many > opportunities to learn on my job. You know nothing about how > well I do anything and what my employers choose to call me and how > they assign my tasks is their business. > > I've worked with some stellar folks and with some duds both > in management and engineering. So what's new? Are you suggesting > that ANY "real" EE could step in an take my job? Some could, > most could not. > > > >> The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The >>American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and >>call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country >>anyone can call themselves an engineer. >> >> As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your >>assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt >>and low esteem towards engineers. >> >> > > Only some engineers. Nature has provided us with the bell curve: > a graphical presentation of gaussian distribution of traits in > large populations. In the population of engineers, there are some > that are very good and place high on the ordinate for capability > but low in numbers compared to the whole. But for every exceptional > individual, there must be a counter balancing individual who > may wear the mantle but has never achieved stature in their > craft. These too are small in number. Most are scattered along the > curve in accordance with their skills, willingness to learn and > opportunities to exercise their craft. I shouldn't have to explain > that to an educated person but meanings you attribute to my words > suggest that you don't understand this simple truth. > > > >> Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college >>who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously >>doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. >> >> > > I have said no such thing. I've made note of the fact that > my JC techs could all hit the ground running and the brightest > and most motivated became invaluable employees . . . some went > on to get higher degrees and are still invaluable employees. But > as noted above, a degree does not an invaluable employee make. > All of us have to perform in the marketplace and a degree guarantees > nothing. > > > >>Second your ignorance is common of people who dont know the body of >>knowledge which >>encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers. >>You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like >>failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA >>ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data? >> >> > > Hmmm . . . first I'm compared with Fox News and now Cheers. > I don't watch either. In fact I watch very little television. > Therefore I'm at a loss to evaluate your similes. > > George, George . . . you claim to know so much about me > but you keep offering opinions that do not agree with fact. > May I suggest some good books might prove much more useful > than television? Have you read any Thomas Sowell? Frederick Bastiat? > Thomas Paine? Don't if or where these guys went to school and > it doesn't matter. They write in simple ideas imminently understandable > and of obvious value. My goal is to think and write like these > men. What are your goals? > > >> Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of >>engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure >>you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how >>superior you are over those college boys. >> >> > > Gee, I'll have to think about that . . . no, I don't have > any such stories. But I can tell you that in the aircraft business, > the vast majority of degreed engineers have become paper-pushers. > Their engineering knowledge brought with them out of school > was never given an opportunity to be exercised and grow. . . use it > or loose it. Unlike most of my contemporaries, I'm blessed with > opportunities to learn something new every day. Aviation is > singularly hard on engineers and offers only rare opportunities > to excel. > > > >> Dumb engineers will live with >>it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder >>iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years >>old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little >>delusional. >> >> > > The delusion is your's sir. You're welcome to come walk with me > for a week and see what I do for a living . . . > > When did I ever speak to the uselessness of math? I cannot imagine > where you get these ideas. I have a half dozen computers that I regularly > program for various control tasks and analysis by calculation. I try > to keep plenty of calculators laying around so that one is always at > hand. I have one on my wrist! Now, when was the last time I was able > to make use of any technique from say, chapter 13 of my Calculus text > book? Never. That doesn't mean those disciplines are not useful to > some individuals. Every engineer I've ever worked with has confirmed > that in the hard-cold-cruel world of keeping happy customers coming back > to buy your products, they've used but a tiny fraction of that which > academia thought was important. > > > >>As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls >>technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree >> >> >>from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of > > >>Engineering Technology). >> >> > > > >>NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of >>Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit >>and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold >>advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of >>engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing >>boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity. >> >>Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative >>comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my >>Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how >>disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate >>you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. >> >> > > I'd recommend that. If Raytheon would dump the aircraft albatross > the corporate stock would probably run back up to $75. Now that > the 4000 is close to certification, they'll probably continue their > exercise in self-abuse somewhat longer. But short of a big shooting > war I don't expect to see Raytheon stock do anything spectacular. > Less than 1/4th of my retirement portfolio holds Raytheon. Just > the humble opinion of an inside observer over the past 20 years. > But please don't take my word for it. I bought all of my stock > when it crashed from $75 to $18 a few years back . . . but it's been > frustratingly static for a long time. My investment advisor cousin > has suggested that I not buy any more . . . there are presently > much better places to put your money. > > > > >>I have my sell order in for Monday >>morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know >>how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things >>would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well. >> >> Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 >> >> Happy New Years. >> >> > > My new year is starting off very nicely thank you. I'm sorry > that your's is so burdened with unhappy thoughts borne out of > ignorance about me and what appears to be a disregard for folks > who choose to learn outside the hallowed halls of ivy. If universities > were the only source for useful knowledge, there are many stellar > minds in history that should never have achieved greatness. > I'm saddened that you do not seem to understand or appreciate > this fact. > > Your buddy Bob (a get-yer-hands-dirty imposter that draws the > salary of an engineer and has thousands of > happy customers). > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:32 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Gotcha! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins I liked this part: "At 0322, a United States Air Force (USAF) C-141 aircraft, call sign RCH5414, responded to C-GKFJ's Mayday calls and established communication with them. RCH5414 diverted toward C-GKFJ's supposed position, and located the aircraft at 0431 using traffic collision avoidance system (TCAS) equipment. RCH5414 kept station with C-GKFJ, issued periodic track corrections and distance to run to Gisborne until about 48 nm from the Gisborne VOR, and departed for Christchurch, New Zealand." One of the continuing unreported or underreported stories is the help that the US military gives to people around the world. There was a lot of reporting on the one year anniversary of the big tsunami, and almost no mention that I saw that spoke of the massive amount of help that various branches of the military were providing the victims. I caught one report, BBC IIRC, where a local Indonesian official was talking about how much the US military was helping their city, and he said they will never forget it. That's the way to win hearts and minds. > For all of us believers in the magic of GPS and modern avionics please read > the below cautionary tale: > > http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/2003/A03F0114/A03F0114.asp > > My flight time over the ocean is not that great, but the terror that wells > up when one has been out of sight of land for hours and is uncertain of > their position is huge. > > Particularly note the diagram at the end of this article. Imagine the > decision process / courage involved in making that greater than 270 degree > turn to the right. > > OC > > PS: All pilots flying around IFR with out dated GPS data bases should read > this article. > -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:49 AM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: D25 Steering Diode Question ? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" Tim, Bob, thanks, just what I needed to know. Bill S Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D25 Steering Diode Question ? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson You already got your official answer from Bob, so this is just a bonus confirmation. Yes, you have 2 diodes that you can use in parallel, with a common output. You won't get a lot more current carrying, because it's still just coming out one terminal, but you can use both diodes if you're so inclined. I just wired mine yesterday and used both. I'm also hoping that Eric gets a good mounting kit for his schottky diode, as I'd really like to use that one instead if possible. T ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:58 AM PST US From: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Gotcha! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" GPS is wonderful if you just remember the ole computer term "GIGO". Garbage-In-Garbage-Out. Dave Morris At 06:52 AM 1/2/2006, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > >1/2/2005 > >For all of us believers in the magic of GPS and modern avionics please read >the below cautionary tale: > >http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/2003/A03F0114/A03F0114.asp > >My flight time over the ocean is not that great, but the terror that wells >up when one has been out of sight of land for hours and is uncertain of >their position is huge. > >Particularly note the diagram at the end of this article. Imagine the >decision process / courage involved in making that greater than 270 degree >turn to the right. > >OC > >PS: All pilots flying around IFR with out dated GPS data bases should read >this article. > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:34 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. At 01:33 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Dudley > >Greetings, Bob >I am incredulous that anyone could be brash enough or ignorant enough to >display his/her bigotry in a public forum as this person has. That one >wears his list of titles on his sleeve thinking that the title >"engineer" is only earned by someone with a degree. >For the record, my opinions are based on BS, MS, PhD from respectable >universities and 29 years experience in semiconductor engineering and >science with a major industrial laboratory and 50+ years of flying > >Best regards and Happy New Year > >Richard Dudley >RV-6A flying Thank you for that endorsement and kind words. Personally, I'd rather avoid labels of all kinds except to acknowledge I'd like to be known as an honorable citizen of this great country. I'd also strive to be known as a teacher; one who helps assemble simple-ideas into useful systems where the users enjoy real understanding of final result. In this context we can all be teachers. Indeed, this is the core purpose of activities like the AeroElectric-List. But as the state of our school systems will attest, a degree does not a teacher make . . . I'll suggest that title is properly bestowed only by those who understand its true significance and/or recognition of those who have mastered the craft. Fly comfortably. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:36 AM PST US From: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" --> Airparts. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I >know how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. >Things would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh >well. > > Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 > > Happy New Years. My new year is starting off very nicely thank you. I'm sorry that your's is so burdened with unhappy thoughts borne out of ignorance about me and what appears to be a disregard for folks who choose to learn outside the hallowed halls of ivy. If universities were the only source for useful knowledge, there are many stellar minds in history that should never have achieved greatness. I'm saddened that you do not seem to understand or appreciate this fact. Your buddy Bob (a get-yer-hands-dirty imposter that draws the salary of an engineer and has thousands of happy customers). Hey, Bob: Pay George no mind. He clearly doesn't know how to read. His thinking is equally muddled. But then, he is an Engineer. I suspect he is bipolar. In a manic phase. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:06 PM PST US From: Richard Hughes Subject: AeroElectric-List: Transponder Static on intercom --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes I just installed a new intercom in my Cozy III. I am getting some crackly static from the transponder intermittently. (It goes away when I turn off the transponder) Do I need to run the groundplane for the antenna directly to ground? Should I have a shielded power wire to the transponder? (Not sure if it is or not) Any suggestions? Patient: Doc it hurts when I do this Doctor: Don't do that! -Rich Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:48 PM PST US From: "Dr. Peter Laurence" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dr. Peter Laurence" I think this guy george, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 is out of line. I'm not an EE but play one when I'm at my hangar building my RV9. However I am a dentist which I guess would qualify me as some type of engineer/tech. Prior to building my RV I wired my friends Velocity RG XL using Bob's suggestions. I don't give a rats A__ whether Bob is or is not an engineer. It was my first attempt at wiring an airplane which now has three hundred hours on it without a glitch in the electrical system. Furthermore, in years past, on the rare occasion that I called bob for a question or clarification, he always had time for me and was always gracious. My two cents Peter Laurence RV9A N60PL ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:17 PM PST US From: "James Redmon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Transponder Static on intercom --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" Same thing initially happened in my Berkut. The source was the Microair transponder (no longer installed), but not the RF...it was a bad ground on the "music" input for the intercom. Be sure your phone, mic and input jacks are insolated and are not "grounded" together on a metal plate. My fix was to change from a metal mounting plate to one made of fiberglass. Either case, disconnect everything so you get no noise, then add only one thing back at a time to isolate where the noise is entering your audio circuits. If no inputs are the problem, run the intercom from a separate power source (i.e. external battery) to make sure the noise is not slipping in from the power system. If that's your problem, you can put a filter on the intercom's power lead. I'm sure you will get plenty of feedback on this method of trouble shooting. James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX http://www.berkut13.com > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes > > > I just installed a new intercom in my Cozy III. > > I am getting some crackly static from the transponder > intermittently. (It goes away when I turn off the > transponder) > > Do I need to run the groundplane for the antenna > directly to ground? > > Should I have a shielded power wire to the > transponder? (Not sure if it is or not) > > Any suggestions? ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:37 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. At 02:16 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" > > >Hey, Bob: Pay George no mind. He clearly doesn't know how to read. His >thinking is equally muddled. But then, he is an Engineer. I suspect he is >bipolar. In a manic phase. > >Gordon Comfort >N363GC Gently, gently my friend. Let's leave those judgements up to folks more qualified than us electron-herders. I've learned that if one hands out enough line, you can get a variety of results ranging from creative macram to nice fishing nets. On the other hand, some folks just get all tangled up in it. The outcomes are self evident and require no special talents to judge usefulness of the result. By the way, how many hours do you have on that airplane? By my reckoning you should have worn out the first engine by now. You guys were going to come visit us. I just chased family out of the guest room on their Christmas visit, you and Marge are encouraged to use it at any time. Dee finished her PhD last spring and has become civilized We'd love to see you again. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:40 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. At 03:15 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dr. Peter Laurence" > > > I think this guy george, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 is out of >line. >I'm not an EE but play one when I'm at my hangar building my RV9. However I >am a dentist which I guess would qualify me as some type of engineer/tech. >Prior to building my RV I wired my friends Velocity RG XL using Bob's >suggestions. I don't give a rats A__ whether Bob is or is not an engineer. >It was my first attempt at wiring an airplane which now has three hundred >hours on it without a glitch in the electrical system. Furthermore, in years >past, on the rare occasion that I called bob for a question or >clarification, he always had time for me and was always gracious. > >My two cents > >Peter Laurence Good evening Peter. Long time no hear! Do I recall correctly that you live in Florida . . . or perhaps S.Eastern US? We're working on our 2006 seminar schedule and we need a S.E. venue. Would love to visit your neck of the woods and get a look at your project. Got an EAA chapter that would like to host a presentation? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:12 PM PST US From: "Frank Stringham" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" Come on George ....get a life...........go fly your plane.............invent something useful...........build a plane................or better yet take a long trip to Bagdad.................... I Just Love my delete key. Frank At SGU and SLC with BS, MS, MBA...............oh did I mention I slept at a Holiday Inn.......... >From: >Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >To: AeroElectric-List@matronics.com >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:34:18 -0800 (PST) > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > >From: >"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > >The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is > >cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you >leave > >the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high >draw", > >"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all non-quantified >terms > >having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service > >life of the alternator. > >I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka >Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator >instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your >mouth. >You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics. >Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain >Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification >first. > > You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but >why >care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are >wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is >understandable >that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their >ignorance. > > >By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer > >for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS. > >Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to >be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an >engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but >you >are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation >engineer, >the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than >you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an >oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering. > > The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The >American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and >call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country >anyone can call themselves an engineer. > > As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your >assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt >and low esteem towards engineers. > > Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college >who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously >doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. Second your ignorance is >common of people who dont know the body of knowledge which >encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers. >You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like >failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA >ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data? > > Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of >engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure >you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how >superior you are over those college boys. Dumb engineers will live with >it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder >iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 >years >old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little >delusional. > > As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously >calls >technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree >from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of >Engineering Technology). > > NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser >of >Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit >and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold >advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of >engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing >boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity. > > Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative >comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my >Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how >disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate >you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. I have my sell order in for >Monday >morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know >how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things >would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well. > > Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 > > Happy New Years. > > >--------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. From: Larry Mac Donald --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald Harley, I don't know what to say. I have two such compasses and both have the same type of lamp. One has no markings and one is marked GE327. Both are "miniature". Both are "flange based". I was unable to get to "lamps" in Gyrohouse so I cannot look them up or go any furthur. Larry Mac Donald lm4@juno.com Rochester N.Y. Do not achcive On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:05:56 -0500 Harley writes: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley > > > Larry... > > It appears you may have hit on something here. > > After your post, I rechecked, "GyroHouse" and they do indeed list > the > 334 as the 28 volt bulb for the Airpath Compass. But, on checking > the > configuration of the 334, it is a grooved base bulb...the 327 > (which is > what you have) and the 330 are flanged bases. > > Looks like GyroHouse may be selling the wrong bulb for a 28 volt > system. > > Harley > > > Larry Mac Donald wrote: > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald > > > > >Guy's > >My Airpath ( pilots standby compass ) is placarded > >as a 28 volt system. The lamp in it is a 6e327. > > > > I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no > > > > > >>bulb > >>So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, > >>then repair parts) found the following: > >>330 - 14V Light Bulb > >> > >>14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps > >>Cat No: 330 $3.00 > >>334 - 28V Light Bulb > >> > >>28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps > >>Cat No: 334 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:40 PM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" Hopefully near Ocala, Harold...RV9A still working on the Fuselage..sslloooowwly ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:01 PM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" I just checked the Grainger catalog and try 1C904. It's aT1 3/4 SC mid flg, 14 V Aircraft, .08A @ $1.30 Harold ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:41 PM PST US From: "Peter Laurence" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Laurence" Bob, I'm in South Florida. EAA Chapter 133 which is in Pompano Florida. We have a few RV builders at present which I believe are all following you suggestions. I'll speak to the chapter president and see if we can set something up. Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Airparts. At 03:15 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dr. Peter Laurence" > > > I think this guy george, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 is out of >line. >I'm not an EE but play one when I'm at my hangar building my RV9. However I >am a dentist which I guess would qualify me as some type of engineer/tech. >Prior to building my RV I wired my friends Velocity RG XL using Bob's >suggestions. I don't give a rats A__ whether Bob is or is not an engineer. >It was my first attempt at wiring an airplane which now has three hundred >hours on it without a glitch in the electrical system. Furthermore, in years >past, on the rare occasion that I called bob for a question or >clarification, he always had time for me and was always gracious. > >My two cents > >Peter Laurence Good evening Peter. Long time no hear! Do I recall correctly that you live in Florida . . . or perhaps S.Eastern US? We're working on our 2006 seminar schedule and we need a S.E. venue. Would love to visit your neck of the woods and get a look at your project. Got an EAA chapter that would like to host a presentation? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:48 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley Hi, Larry... I agree with you. I think Gyrohouse made an error in their listing of the one. They do list the 334 (grooved base) as the 28 volt bulb for the airpath compass! After it warmed up a bit today, I took a trip down to the hangar and took a look at mine...it is indeed a flanged base socket...a grooved base bulb MIGHT work, but it would probably not have dependable contact. Of course, Airpath may have used one like that in another of their models, but I doubt it. Looks like the flanged base bulb is the one to use. 327 for 28 volt, and 330 for 14 volt. A little off topic, but points out the printed errors that can occur is in a book that my son gave me for Christmas. The Encyclopedia of Civil Aircraft. Covers everything from DaVinci to Rutan....lists Rutan's Voyager as having a range of 9,600 miles! It really was a miracle non stop around-the-world flight! >>I was unable to get to "lamps" in Gyrohouse so I cannot look them up or go any furthur.<< Here's where they list it...with the light socket. www.gyrohouse.com/catalog/items/item807.html Harley Larry Mac Donald wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald > >Harley, > I don't know what to say. I have two such >compasses and both have the same type of lamp. >One has no markings and one is marked GE327. >Both are "miniature". Both are "flange based". >I was unable to get to "lamps" in Gyrohouse so >I cannot look them up or go any furthur. >Larry Mac Donald >lm4@juno.com >Rochester N.Y. >Do not achcive > > >On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:05:56 -0500 Harley >writes: > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley >> >> >>Larry... >> >>It appears you may have hit on something here. >> >>After your post, I rechecked, "GyroHouse" and they do indeed list >>the >>334 as the 28 volt bulb for the Airpath Compass. But, on checking >>the >>configuration of the 334, it is a grooved base bulb...the 327 >>(which is >>what you have) and the 330 are flanged bases. >> >>Looks like GyroHouse may be selling the wrong bulb for a 28 volt >>system. >> >>Harley >> >> >>Larry Mac Donald wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Guy's >>>My Airpath ( pilots standby compass ) is placarded >>>as a 28 volt system. The lamp in it is a 6e327. >>> >>>I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>bulb >>>>So...a bit of time with Google (searching for Airpath compasses, >>>>then repair parts) found the following: >>>>330 - 14V Light Bulb >>>> >>>>14V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Flange Base. .08 Amps >>>>Cat No: 330 $3.00 >>>>334 - 28V Light Bulb >>>> >>>>28V Light Bulb - T 1-3/4 Midget Groove Base. .04 Amps >>>>Cat No: 334 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:18 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Florida 2006 Seminar --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 06:26 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Laurence" > > >Bob, >I'm in South Florida. EAA Chapter 133 which is in Pompano Florida. We have a >few RV builders at present which I believe are all following you >suggestions. I'll speak to the chapter president and see if we can set >something up. > >Peter Very good. I'd appreciate that. I think we're looking at a september/october time frame. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:06 PM PST US From: Jim Wickert Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jim Wickert Peter I agree with your comments, Bob has been a great help to many, many, many, builders. With very sound advice....I would like to set this person straight.....ENGINEERS... there is a tremendous number of people that are PE's (Stamp carrying Professional Engineers) that are still setting the design path straight for many degreed engineers. A large number of these PE's are not degreed engineers they have tested out for their PE license and I can also show several degreed engineers that can't get past the first bank of PE tests. For me who is a card carrying PE for over 30 years, Bob has been as I said a great help and a very dedicated person to this industry. Offering a great amount of assistance and very accurate and prompt assistance to be exact at a cost of nothing. I am sure George here if he had something to offer other than smart remarks would also have a bill to follow because he is a degreed engineer? I make my living as a contract engineering firm for 28 years, that has sold and designed several in depth projects form the fiber optics market to the semiconductor manufacturing process markets to designing and building a complete highly Automated Factory for Skill Saw group. WE took this project from companies like Lester B Knight who also tells you they have "Degreed Engineers".....in the end the design wins. I have 9 staff engineers. I do know what a real Engineer is and They are not specific to a degree. I have an office in Europe with two of my nine engineers resident and do a fair amount of work for Bosch, BMW and Porsche. I find Bob a breath of fresh air for the Aviation industry. I think if this George would be someone who had spent time on these forums he would not have made such an A_ _ out of himself. Enough said, thank you Bob for all your contribution. Please do not let one spoil a great situation. Jim Wickert Vision Vair #159 Some have it Some do not!!! -----Original Message----- >From: "Dr. Peter Laurence" >Sent: Jan 2, 2006 3:15 PM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dr. Peter Laurence" > > I think this guy george, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 is out of >line. >I'm not an EE but play one when I'm at my hangar building my RV9. However I >am a dentist which I guess would qualify me as some type of engineer/tech. >Prior to building my RV I wired my friends Velocity RG XL using Bob's >suggestions. I don't give a rats A__ whether Bob is or is not an engineer. >It was my first attempt at wiring an airplane which now has three hundred >hours on it without a glitch in the electrical system. Furthermore, in years >past, on the rare occasion that I called bob for a question or >clarification, he always had time for me and was always gracious. > >My two cents > >Peter Laurence >RV9A N60PL > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:59 PM PST US From: "Peter Laurence" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Laurence" Hi Harold I'm based At North Perry airport in Fort Lauderdale. I'm Also building a RV9A. Just ordered the fuse. Two of my buddies are completing theirs. If you're ever in South Florida, look us up, EAA chapter 133. Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harold Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" Hopefully near Ocala, Harold...RV9A still working on the Fuselage..sslloooowwly ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. From: Larry Mac Donald --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald Harley, Agreed. I just found the Grainger site and went thru 9 pages of lamps. What I have is what the picture shows. It looks like you "we" could use either the GE382-14V-.08A-.3C @$1.26 or the GE330-(aircraft)-14V-.08A-.5C @ $1.30. .2 more candeles for only 4 cents more, AND it says aircraft on it. Larry Mac Donald lm4@juno.com Rochester N.Y. Do not achcive On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:35:16 -0500 Harley writes: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley > Hi, Larry... I agree with you. I think Gyrohouse made an error in their listing > of the one. They do list the 334 (grooved base) as the 28 volt bulb for > the airpath compass! After it warmed up a bit today, I took a trip down to the hangar and took a look at mine...it is indeed a flanged base socket...a grooved base bulb MIGHT work, but it would probably not have dependable contact. Of course, Airpath may have used one like that in another of their > models, but I doubt it. Looks like the flanged base bulb is the one > to use. 327 for 28 volt, and 330 for 14 volt. A little off topic, but points out the printed errors that can occur > is in a book that my son gave me for Christmas. The Encyclopedia of > Civil Aircraft. Covers everything from DaVinci to Rutan....lists Rutan's > Voyager as having a range of 9,600 miles! It really was a miracle non > stop around-the-world flight! I was unable to get to "lamps" in Gyrohouse so I cannot look them up or go any furthur.<< Here's where they list it...with the light socket. > Harley Larry Mac Donald wrote: > >Harley, > > I don't know what to say. I have two such > >compasses and both have the same type of lamp. > >One has no markings and one is marked GE327. > >Both are "miniature". Both are "flange based". > >I was unable to get to "lamps" in Gyrohouse so > >I cannot look them up or go any furthur. > >Larry Mac Donald > >lm4@juno.com > >Rochester N.Y. > >> LarryIt appears you may have hit on something here. After your post, I rechecked, "GyroHouse" and they do indeed list the 334 as the 28 volt bulb for the Airpath Compass. But, on checking the configuration of the 334, it is a grooved base bulb...the 327 (which is what you have) and the 330 are flanged bases.Looks like GyroHouse may be selling the wrong bulb for a 28 volt system. Harley > >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald > >>>Guy's > >>>My Airpath ( pilots standby compass ) is placarded > >>>as a 28 volt system. The lamp in it is a 6e327. >I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no > >>>>bulb ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:59 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Airparts. Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Airparts. At 10:34 PM 1/1/2006, you wrote: > Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 > George, Are you an engineer or a pilot? What is your vocation? When I was a practicing engineer I took great offense at those who called themselves engineers merely because they got an engineering degree or two way back when. If you are not in the profession, you are not an engineer, regardless of your educational and legal status. (I kept my PE status after I left the profession years ago. All you have to do is send money.) Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:03 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bulb and connector source. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley >>GE382<< I like this one better for an additional reason....it has a life of 15,000 hours vs 4,000 for the 327! Harley Larry Mac Donald wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald > >Harley, > Agreed. I just found the Grainger site and went >thru 9 pages of lamps. What I have is what the picture >shows. It looks like you "we" could use either the >GE382-14V-.08A-.3C @$1.26 or the >GE330-(aircraft)-14V-.08A-.5C @ $1.30. .2 more candeles >for only 4 cents more, AND it says aircraft on it. >Larry Mac Donald >lm4@juno.com >Rochester N.Y. >Do not achcive > > >On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:35:16 -0500 Harley >writes: > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley >> >> >> > Hi, Larry... > I agree with you. I think Gyrohouse made an error in their listing > > >>of the one. They do list the 334 (grooved base) as the 28 volt bulb for >> >> > > > >>the airpath compass! After it warmed up a bit today, I took a trip >> >> >down to the hangar and took a look at mine...it is indeed a flanged >base socket...a grooved base bulb MIGHT work, but it would >probably not have dependable contact. > Of course, Airpath may have used one like that in another of their > > >>models, but I doubt it. Looks like the flanged base bulb is the one >>to use. 327 for 28 volt, and 330 for 14 volt. >> >> > A little off topic, but points out the printed errors that can occur > > >>is in a book that my son gave me for Christmas. The Encyclopedia of >>Civil Aircraft. Covers everything from DaVinci to Rutan....lists >> >> >Rutan's > > >>Voyager as having a range of 9,600 miles! It really was a miracle non >>stop around-the-world flight! I was unable to get to "lamps" >> >> >in Gyrohouse so I cannot look them up or go any furthur.<< > Here's where they list it...with the light socket. > > >>Harley >> >> > Larry Mac Donald wrote: > > >>>Harley, >>> I don't know what to say. I have two such >>>compasses and both have the same type of lamp. >>>One has no markings and one is marked GE327. >>>Both are "miniature". Both are "flange based". >>>I was unable to get to "lamps" in Gyrohouse so >>>I cannot look them up or go any furthur. >>>Larry Mac Donald >>>lm4@juno.com >>>Rochester N.Y. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >LarryIt appears you may have hit on something here. >After your post, I rechecked, "GyroHouse" and they >do indeed list the 334 as the 28 volt bulb for the Airpath >Compass. But, on checking the configuration of the 334, >it is a grooved base bulb...the 327 (which is what you have) >and the 330 are flanged bases.Looks like GyroHouse may >be selling the wrong bulb for a 28 volt system. >Harley > > >>>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald >>>>>Guy's >>>>>My Airpath ( pilots standby compass ) is placarded >>>>>as a 28 volt system. The lamp in it is a 6e327. >>>>> >>>>> >>I'm in the same position you are...an airpath compass with no >> >> >>>>>>bulb >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. From: James H Nelson --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: James H Nelson Thank you Bob for the excellent retort to mr. "gmcjetpilot" or what ever he is. I use the term mr. in lower case for the point. We appreciate your help and education in our building and design of our OBAM aircraft. I'm on my second build and will probably be my last. Time does that to you. You were a big help on my first build and this time I bought your book again as I 'used' the first one to much. I believe that its time to ignore this person and his rant's. He is not wanted or needed on this forum. What ever incite he may have are suspect at this point. By the way, I to am not a degreed engineer but worked in the medical field designing unique specific devices to produce polymers that is hygroscopic. I hired "book" engineers when they looked promising but the best idea people were usually non degreed people. The degree in our field was only a means of finding people who were possibly intelligent enough to grasp our products and help us get it to market. Many thanks again Jim Nelson RV9-A (into the canopy--) ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:36 PM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" Thanks Peter, When & If Bob gets a seminar going, I suspect I'll be making a long drive. Harold ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:00 PM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: AeroElectric-List: noise --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs" hi all, laying out my panel and i have my intercom right next to my turn coor. am i asking for noise from the turn coor.? if so, how far should i move the intercom? thanks in advance, bob noffs ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:09 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com (Apologies in advance- delete now if tired of this) I'm almost of the opinion that George is merely using his occasional tirades to goad Bob into proving how intelligent, patient and reasonable Nuckolls truly is. As far as George goes, I sure wish I knew which airline (if there really is one) he drives for so I'd know to stay away- can you imagine what this guy typically does when some poor overworked ATC slob puts him in hold when he's in a bad mood? And FWIW, there are good & bad engineers and anything else- I usually get my job done in spite of the bad ones anyway. The truly sad part of all this is that every single lengthy post is now forever implanted in Matt's archives, and even on a day the list rules were passed along... Mark Phillips - total Aeroelectric RV nearing 300 electrically flawless hours and DO NOT ARCHIVE fer criminy's sake!!!! ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:33 PM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" My guess is that he flys for GM corporate, probably couldn't make the grade in engineerig. Hope he's a better pilot than agitator. Maybe he was hired by some of the people at the top who helped put GM where it is today. Harold ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:34 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@AOL.COM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Ni... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/02/2006 9:20:56 PM Central Standard Time, kayce33@earthlink.net writes: Maybe he was hired by some of the people at the top who helped put GM where it is today. >>> Hey- I work for GM! And you're probably right! 8-) ...er, make that 8-( Mark - DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts. From: "John Schroeder" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" Isn't it against state law in a lot of states to use the title "Engineer" if one is not a registered PE in that state? I believe this is the case here in NC. Cheers, John Schroeder ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: We must really be bored... was Copy of my letter to Ni... From: "Matt Prather" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" Let's try to lead by example, and live by the golden rule (though I am not religeous, nor am intending to imply any religeousity - merely practicality).. Best regards, Matt- ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:34 PM PST US From: D Wysong Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Light Monitors --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Wysong Very high on the "cool-o-meter", Mark! Thanks for sharing. However, you probably just gave birth to a monster. Now folks will be placing a single bulb in the cockpit and running fiber out to their tips and tail for lighting... all in the name of "weight savings"!!! ;-) D --- DO NOT ARCHIVE --- On 1/1/06, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Howdy A-list! > > I know this is nothing electric, but that's part of what makes it so cool. > It worked out so well I just thought I'd share with the rest of y'all! > > http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?qlog_entry&log_id7883 > > Click on the fotos for a better view and >>Next Entry>> to the next two > pages > for the "how-to". Lemme know if ya got any ?s. > > Happy 2 double-oh 6 to all! > > Mark Phillips > >