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1. 06:38 AM - Symbols library (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 07:01 AM - Aerocomp Panel and For Sale (Darwin N. Barrie)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Mark R Steitle)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 07:28 AM - Re: Aerocomp Panel and For Sale (Brinker)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? (Matt Jurotich)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Symbols library (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 07:47 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Tim Olson)
9. 08:12 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Mark R Steitle)
10. 10:43 AM - Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? (Jerry2DT@AOL.COM)
11. 10:47 AM - Re: More SD8 Installation Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 11:46 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Tim Olson)
13. 12:22 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Mark R Steitle)
14. 12:32 PM - Re: Symbols library (Jerry Grimmonpre)
15. 12:44 PM - Just a test (ScottA)
16. 01:54 PM - Trim Symbols (Alan K. Adamson)
17. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Steve Sampson)
18. 02:11 PM - Re: Symbols library (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
19. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, (Kelly McMullen)
20. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit (Dave Morris \)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Gilles Thesee)
22. 02:48 PM - Re: Trim Symbols (Alan K. Adamson)
23. 02:50 PM - Ideal Crimpmaster Dies??? (Brad Oliver)
24. 02:51 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Tim Olson)
25. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
26. 03:02 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
27. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Terry Watson)
28. 03:16 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (B Tomm)
29. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Harold Kovac)
30. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Matt Prather)
31. 04:26 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Tim Olson)
32. 04:37 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 82 Msgs - 01/04/06 (Lee Logan)
33. 04:46 PM - (bob noffs)
34. 04:50 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (SteinAir, Inc.)
35. 05:30 PM - Re: (David Lloyd)
36. 05:34 PM - Re: (Steve Allison)
37. 06:08 PM - Re: (Matt Prather)
38. 06:36 PM - Re: (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
39. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Brian Lloyd)
40. 06:48 PM - Re: Ideal Crimpmaster Dies??? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
41. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (sarg314)
42. 07:11 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (B Tomm)
43. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology (Sean Stephens)
44. 07:14 PM - Re: (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
45. 07:15 PM - Re: (John Schroeder)
46. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Z-24 Nusance trips (Mike Holland)
47. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit (Guy Buchanan)
48. 08:26 PM - Re: what is an engineer.... (Eric M. Jones)
49. 09:43 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Jim Baker)
50. 09:43 PM - Re: Symbols library (Jerry Grimmonpre)
51. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: what is an engineer.... (B Tomm)
52. 11:24 PM - Re: Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? (preston hall)
53. 11:27 PM - Re: Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? (preston hall)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Bob,
Is there any chance you can put your symbols library, or even all of your symbols
and drawings, into a single ZIP file for downloading? It's a bit of a PITA
to download 100 odd single files individually.
Thanks!
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Aerocomp Panel and For Sale |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I have an Aerocomp 7SL that I may or may not build. My neighbor is the owner of
Phoenix Composites and has built a couple of Aerocomps. They use a metal panel
fastened to the fiberglass. Although the glass is probably strong enough on
its own they do a metal panel for modular install capability. This was my plan
as well.
I did a carbon fiber overlay for my RV7. It is just for looks. Everybody who sees
the panel loves it. Definitely unique. Pictures can be seen on the Van's "first
flight" section.
Regarding Aerocomp, they have a great product. Unfortunately, their after sale
support is lacking. They are more interested in selling new kits than getting
more in the air regardless of who owns them. If you can get past this, the Aerocomp
is a great product.
I was looking at a kit in progress and called them. I was warned that they would
bad mouth the builder. Sure enough, they said not to trust the construction
because they didn't think the owner knew what he was doing. It was then pointed
out that the plane had been through THEIR Quick Build program. Then it was,
"Oh, oh, I must have that one confused with someone else." Piece of work!!
I have an Aerocomp 7SL for sale. It is well along with all fuselage bulkheads,
laminations and tail group completed and installed. The wings are closed with
tanks complete. The wings are wired for antennas, landing and position lights.
Ailerons and flaps complete. This one is set up for a recip engine (I was going
to use a Lycoming I0540). Lots of extra stuff.
This kit goes new for around $60K with no work done. I sacrifice this one for $38K.
By the way, the bulk of the construction was done by a former employee of
Aerocomp with lots of experience.
Email direct for pictures and further information.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
RV-7 N717EE Flying
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Ken,
You're probably right. The 1/2" tape should do fine.
Mark S.
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
FWIW I had no need for wider than 1/2" and in fact I printed even that
in double lines and cut it in half for quite a few places.
Ken
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| Subject: | EFIS Backup EFIS? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks Bob,
I am really excited about learning to fly IFR, its like a whole new
chapter in real world experience....:)
Cheers
Frank
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS Backup EFIS?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 1/4/2006 4:53:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
I have an excellent CFII who is also building an RV7A so assuming I can
handle learning in a fast airplane it sounds like a match made in
heaven!
Good Evening Frank,
In a lot of ways, flying IFR is easier in a fast airplane than it is in
a slow one. You will do just fine!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocomp Panel and For Sale |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Darwin thanks for the dash info. Do you mind if I contact you off
list ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aerocomp Panel and For Sale
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie"
> <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> I have an Aerocomp 7SL that I may or may not build. My neighbor is the
> owner of Phoenix Composites and has built a couple of Aerocomps. They use
> a metal panel fastened to the fiberglass. Although the glass is probably
> strong enough on its own they do a metal panel for modular install
> capability. This was my plan as well.
>
> I did a carbon fiber overlay for my RV7. It is just for looks. Everybody
> who sees the panel loves it. Definitely unique. Pictures can be seen on
> the Van's "first flight" section.
>
> Regarding Aerocomp, they have a great product. Unfortunately, their after
> sale support is lacking. They are more interested in selling new kits than
> getting more in the air regardless of who owns them. If you can get past
> this, the Aerocomp is a great product.
>
> I was looking at a kit in progress and called them. I was warned that they
> would bad mouth the builder. Sure enough, they said not to trust the
> construction because they didn't think the owner knew what he was doing.
> It was then pointed out that the plane had been through THEIR Quick Build
> program. Then it was, "Oh, oh, I must have that one confused with someone
> else." Piece of work!!
>
> I have an Aerocomp 7SL for sale. It is well along with all fuselage
> bulkheads, laminations and tail group completed and installed. The wings
> are closed with tanks complete. The wings are wired for antennas, landing
> and position lights. Ailerons and flaps complete. This one is set up for a
> recip engine (I was going to use a Lycoming I0540). Lots of extra stuff.
>
> This kit goes new for around $60K with no work done. I sacrifice this one
> for $38K. By the way, the bulk of the construction was done by a former
> employee of Aerocomp with lots of experience.
>
> Email direct for pictures and further information.
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
> RV-7 N717EE Flying
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
What I decided to do was backup my Bluemountain EFIS with a Dynon D
10A. No single fault other than lightning strike is likely to
disable both when endurance bus architecture is used.
Matthew M. Jurotich
e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
phone : 301-286-5919
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| Subject: | Re: Symbols library |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:36 AM 1/5/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>Bob,
>
> Is there any chance you can put your symbols library, or even all of
> your symbols and drawings, into a single ZIP file for downloading? It's
> a bit of a PITA to download 100 odd single files individually.
How about
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/61015_Symbols_Library.zip
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
With all the talk about tape labels, I'm surprised I never see
anything on Silkscreening your own.
I did a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20051228/index.html
Sorry for the non-RV-10 guys about the other topics, but the
silkscreening approach is really cheap (in my mind) overall if you
want to have a more professional looking panel. I paid
probably just over $100, but I can see it costing many builders
a bit less depending on what they try to do and what ink they
use.
Tim Olson -- RV-10
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Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Ken,
>
> You're probably right. The 1/2" tape should do fine.
>
> Mark S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
>
> FWIW I had no need for wider than 1/2" and in fact I printed even that
> in double lines and cut it in half for quite a few places.
> Ken
>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Tim,
Thanks for the link. I agree it looks much better than stickies. Great
looking job. I searched the web months ago and didn't find anything
showing how to do silkscreening yourself. Can you recommend a web link
or two where I can read more about it?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
With all the talk about tape labels, I'm surprised I never see
anything on Silkscreening your own.
I did a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20051228/index.html
Sorry for the non-RV-10 guys about the other topics, but the
silkscreening approach is really cheap (in my mind) overall if you
want to have a more professional looking panel. I paid
probably just over $100, but I can see it costing many builders
a bit less depending on what they try to do and what ink they
use.
Tim Olson -- RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Backup EFIS? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Bruce,
My wife has soloed but no license and loves to fly, so I have GRT EFIS on
left, Dynon with batt backup on right, along with "her" EIS4000 which displays
engine parameters and feeds EFIS. No IFR for us, so this has gotta be
mega-redundancy... Then a Garmin 296 we can both see....
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Subject: AeroElectric-List: EFIS Backup EFIS?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce McGregor"
<bruceflys@comcast.net>
Experimental EFIS units have matured in recent years to the point where many
of us will use one as a PFD. But has technology and reliability progressed
to where a second EFIS with an independent power source could prudently be
used to backup the PFD? For example, a pair of Dynon D-10A units could
serve in this manner and have the added advantage of a backup PFD
center/right that the co-pilot could see too.
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| Subject: | Re: More SD8 Installation Questions |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 10:25 PM 12/26/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
>
>Hello Bob
>
> > This alternator was very popular
> > with Rutan's Variez builders looking for the ultimate in
> > light weight installations with no starter and minimum
> > battery. As the ONLY source of engine driven power, many
> > of these builders flew VFR night conditions where nav lts,
> > strobe and one radio were the only loads.
> >
> >
>As far as I know they had a Conti O-200 so they had the 1 : 1.5 gear
>
> From my old load analysis this would be (measured with 12.5 V):
>
> Strobes 3.1 A
> Nav 3.96 A
> Position 3.44 A
> KX-125 0.4 A
>
>In cruise with 12.5 V I see that the SD-8 delivers around 10.6 A the
>load without transmission would be according the numbers I measured on
>my Aeroflash units 10.9 A. Did I calculate someting wrong or did they
>use lower consumation units? The advantage without starter is, that the
>battery is still plenty full, but on the ground we would drain the whole
>load on the battery only and in cruise we just generate as much energy
>as in a NVFR situation is used. I guess this is a thight situation on
>the electrical side and one has to make a good calculation as to decide
>what to do.
Sorry for the delay in responding. I had to think about this
a bit. First, it was my error to cite the SD-8 as popular with
B&C's earliest customers building the Rutan Ez series airplanes.
The 200G was driven from a gear drive pad on the -12 case for
the O-200 and runs faster. This alternator is rated at 12.0A
and probably good for a tad more at depressed bus voltages still
high enough not to discharge the battery.
You're correct, an SD-8 would be undersized to support
a night vfr load without going to LED nav lights and perhaps
a lighter strobe.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Mark,
Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
Then you can have different things on your screen close
together but still not screen them.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Panel Wiring
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Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the link. I agree it looks much better than stickies. Great
> looking job. I searched the web months ago and didn't find anything
> showing how to do silkscreening yourself. Can you recommend a web link
> or two where I can read more about it?
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With all the talk about tape labels, I'm surprised I never see
> anything on Silkscreening your own.
>
> I did a write-up here:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20051228/index.html
>
> Sorry for the non-RV-10 guys about the other topics, but the
> silkscreening approach is really cheap (in my mind) overall if you
> want to have a more professional looking panel. I paid
> probably just over $100, but I can see it costing many builders
> a bit less depending on what they try to do and what ink they
> use.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Tim,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday. I
know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
you use?
Thanks,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Mark,
Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
Then you can have different things on your screen close
together but still not screen them.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Panel Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Symbols library |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Bob ...
I'm unable to open the Symbols Library ...
Is there a way to get and use these symbols without down loading the
supporting DFW file? It requires over 100MB $pace/time to download with
dial-up.
All we need are the key symbols used in the Z figures since many of those
are repeated throughout. What am I missing besides rapid download
capability?
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Symbols library
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:36 AM 1/5/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
>><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>>Bob,
>>
>> Is there any chance you can put your symbols library, or even all of
>> your symbols and drawings, into a single ZIP file for downloading? It's
>> a bit of a PITA to download 100 odd single files individually.
>
> How about
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/61015_Symbols_Library.zip
>
> Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ScottA" <goflyamoose@gmail.com>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
All, there has been so much conversation about symbol libraries, I figured
I'd offer one that I just did. So, here ya go.
I needed a quick set of the RayAllen Trim indicator components. So I set
down with Calipers and TurboCad, and did them quickly. Feel free to use as
you see fit, they should be assumed to be "close" and perhaps NOT "perfect".
I included the cutout size as well (red box). These are grouped as a whole
assembly, but the switch is separate from the indicator.
These are not to 3D, and the holes are placeholder and may not be accurate
to the exact placement or size for drilling. I needed something, quick and
dirty, to come up with a basic size and shape for a sub panel on a console.
Have fun,
Alan
http://www.highrf.com/Rockets/Trim%20Panel.TCW
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
GMC has a point!
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| Subject: | Re: Symbols library |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 02:31 PM 1/5/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>Bob ...
>I'm unable to open the Symbols Library ...
>Is there a way to get and use these symbols without down loading the
>supporting DFW file? It requires over 100MB $pace/time to download with
>dial-up.
>All we need are the key symbols used in the Z figures since many of those
>are repeated throughout. What am I missing besides rapid download
>capability?
>Thanks ...
>Jerry Grimmonpre'
My apologies. I'd forgotten about some of the excess baggage in
that directory. I simply zipped the whole thing as-is. I just went through
all the files and dumped the mechanical and composite drawings. I think
the files are 99% pure schematic symbols. The new file is only
425K. Try this:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/0_ACAD_All_Symbols.zip
Bob . . .
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flame suit technology
| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, |
flame suit technology
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
I'd say you have that analogy backwards. Would you expect a surgeon to
extract your filet mignon from the beef carcass? Would he even know where
to begin or the right tools for the job?
Steve Sampson said:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
> their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
>
> GMC has a point!
>
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit |
technology
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
technology
You're saying you don't think you could cut a side of beef to make
hamburgers, even without 7 years of schooling? We're building airplanes,
not doing neurosurgery. :)
Dave
At 01:47 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
><SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
>I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
>their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
>
>GMC has a point!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Dave Morris "BigD" a crit :
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
technology
>
>You're saying you don't think you could cut a side of beef to make
>hamburgers, even without 7 years of schooling?
>
Hmm, I'd rather have filet mignon than hamburger...
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
Quick revision, that prolly got the thru holes where they should be from a
drill standpoint.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan K.
Adamson
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Trim Symbols
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
All, there has been so much conversation about symbol libraries, I figured
I'd offer one that I just did. So, here ya go.
I needed a quick set of the RayAllen Trim indicator components. So I set
down with Calipers and TurboCad, and did them quickly. Feel free to use as
you see fit, they should be assumed to be "close" and perhaps NOT "perfect".
I included the cutout size as well (red box). These are grouped as a whole
assembly, but the switch is separate from the indicator.
These are not to 3D, and the holes are placeholder and may not be accurate
to the exact placement or size for drilling. I needed something, quick and
dirty, to come up with a basic size and shape for a sub panel on a console.
Have fun,
Alan
http://www.highrf.com/Rockets/Trim%20Panel.TCW
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| Subject: | Ideal Crimpmaster Dies??? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
While I am not yet at the wiring stage of my project, I am starting to
accumulate the needed tools. I have an Ideal Crimpmaster from a prior
project, but I need new dies for it and I am confused by which to buy.
I am hoping one of you can set me straight.
Ideal lists two dies which look from the diagram and specs to be
identical, but which is the right one for my needs?
30-579 Die Set, Insulated Terminals
http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-579?OpenDocument
or
30-594 Die Set, Insulated Slide-On Connectors
http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-594?OpenDocument
On the coax side, I found this die for the Crimpmaster, but I am not
sure if it is the one I need... comments?
30-587 Die Set, RG-58, RG-174, RG-8218
http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-587?OpenDocument
Thanks in advance for your assistance!
Cheers,
Brad Oliver
RV-7
Livermore, CA
www.RV7Factory.com
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
think for most things. I would be happy to share my original
files with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the
company that did my screens couldn't read a visio file, so
I think I either sent them a word doc with the drawing in it, or
I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them available for
your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time
if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday. I
> know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
> you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
> of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
> I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
> the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
> worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
> for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
> hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
> made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
> screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
> pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
> a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close
> together but still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
.... And would you expect the sky to be blue after a rainstorm? In other words,
who really cares. Give it a rest already. Geez.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen"
--> <kellym@aviating.com>
I'd say you have that analogy backwards. Would you expect a surgeon to extract
your filet mignon from the beef carcass? Would he even know where to begin or
the right tools for the job?
Steve Sampson said:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to
> take their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
>
> GMC has a point!
>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
You can always "Print" your CAD to PDF, using something like CutePDF
writer and send that file . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
think for most things. I would be happy to share my original
files with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the
company that did my screens couldn't read a visio file, so
I think I either sent them a word doc with the drawing in it, or
I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them available for
your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time
if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
<mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
I
> know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
> you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
> of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
> I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
> the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
> worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
> for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
> hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
> made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
> screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
> pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
> a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close
> together but still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Steve, if I understand your point, I think you have it exactly backwards.
The more appropriate use of your analogy is asking why you would hire a
surgeon to cut your steaks. He may know how to take you appendix out, but
why would that make him better at making hamburger?
As you sometimes hear from Vans, it's only an airplane. Have confidence
enough in yourself to judge who knows what they are talking about and who
doesn't. A degree or a license means that someone may have done some study,
filled out some forms, paid a fee and maybe passed some tests. If they were
all about wiring little airplanes, then maybe they mean something in this
context. Maybe not.
I don't think GMC has a point, but maybe I missed yours.
Terry
Degreed in one profession, licensed in another - neither has anything to do
with airplanes
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sampson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit
technology
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
GMC has a point!
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
I would like a copy. Your work looks awesome! I had no idea I could do this
from a laser printer.
Bevan
RV7A fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I think
for most things. I would be happy to share my original files with you if
you'd like. I did them in visio, but the company that did my screens
couldn't read a visio file, so I think I either sent them a word doc with
the drawing in it, or I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them
available for your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time if you
had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
> --> <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
> I know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font
> did you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think of
> it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than I
> thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped the squeege
> into ink and then squeegied it across, and that worked good.)...use
> firm presure and a good squeege made for the job, then yank off the
> screen and if it looks good, hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to
> it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen made
> and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where screw
> holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot pass. But, in
> the end, I think it's probably easier/better for a home builder to
> just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close together but
> still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce33@earthlink.net>
And then there's the PHD in Nuclear Physics who can't change out his own
faulty electric wall outlet and calls a neighbor to help. Great
theoretically, but cannot put his ideas into practice, ho hum.
Harold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit
technology
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
> their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
>
> GMC has a point!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer, flame suit technology |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Hi Terry,
I think Steve was assuming that GMC was talking about challenging tasks in
general, maybe more challenging than wiring-up an airplane. And that it's
desireable to find someone qualified to do the job, especially when the
stakes are high. And that formal education, and training (and hence
tickets-punched, degrees received) has some value towards indicating that
qualification.
My only problem with this line of thinking is that there are lots of ways
to get degrees and certificates (just like there are lots of ways to get
educated). The degrees and certificates are only a suggestion that
someone might be educated, and might have enhanced abilities and training.
They don't necessarily actually prove much, though I am not saying they
are worthless.
I got a BSEE from a small state run school, which thankfully wasn't a
degree factory. When I started my first job after graduation, I found
that, compared to my peers, I was pretty well prepared to actually start
working as an engineer in the semiconductor industry. Many EE's are
nearly useless when they are fresh out of school - didn't learn much that
was applicable to anything. And yet, you can't tell their pigskin from
mine.
The analogy was about doctors (surgeons). I'll just say this: There are
lots of "qualified" docs that I wouldn't let work on me, much less carve
my meat. The "qualification" is only one indication of competence.
Regards,
Matt-
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson"
> <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> Steve, if I understand your point, I think you have it exactly
> backwards. The more appropriate use of your analogy is asking why you
> would hire a surgeon to cut your steaks. He may know how to take you
> appendix out, but why would that make him better at making hamburger?
>
> As you sometimes hear from Vans, it's only an airplane. Have confidence
> enough in yourself to judge who knows what they are talking about and
> who doesn't. A degree or a license means that someone may have done some
> study, filled out some forms, paid a fee and maybe passed some tests. If
> they were all about wiring little airplanes, then maybe they mean
> something in this context. Maybe not.
>
> I don't think GMC has a point, but maybe I missed yours.
>
> Terry
> Degreed in one profession, licensed in another - neither has anything to
> do with airplanes
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sampson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: what is an engineer, flame suit
> technology
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
> their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
>
> GMC has a point!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Ok, your best bet is the visio version if you want all the detail
and want to manipulate everthing. The biggest benefit is that
it's also the smallest file. There are some labels that I forgot
to add, like TRUTRAK ADI, and CAUTION. You probably wouldn't
want my original for yours anyway....make one with your own
N-Number label on it and stuff.
Just FYI: You don't really do this on your laser printer. You
can print it there, but you really actually just email the
file to the company, and they produce a photo positive printout
from it. Then they use that to photo expose the screen.
So it's reasonably easy to get one custom made for your own
plane.
Small file size (Visio):
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD_breakers_fuses_switches.vsd
Big Word Doc (5Mb):
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD_Panel_Silkscreen.doc
Big .jpg (5Mb)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/Silkscreen_Labels_13_17.jpg
HUGE TIF: (31M)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD_Silkscreen_13x17.tif
Also, this file is getting aged now, so some breaker sizes aren't
accurate, fuses might not be, and not all switches are where they
were originally laid out. Things change.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Panel Wiring
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B Tomm wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
>
> I would like a copy. Your work looks awesome! I had no idea I could do this
> from a laser printer.
>
> Bevan
> RV7A fuse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I think
> for most things. I would be happy to share my original files with you if
> you'd like. I did them in visio, but the company that did my screens
> couldn't read a visio file, so I think I either sent them a word doc with
> the drawing in it, or I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them
> available for your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time if you
> had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Mark R Steitle wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
>>--> <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>>
>>Tim,
>>Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
>>try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
>>I know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font
>>did you use?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>Olson
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>Mark,
>>Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think of
>>it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
>>I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than I
>>thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
>>it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
>>keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped the squeege
>>into ink and then squeegied it across, and that worked good.)...use
>>firm presure and a good squeege made for the job, then yank off the
>>screen and if it looks good, hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to
>>it than that.
>>If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen made
>>and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where screw
>>holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot pass. But, in
>>the end, I think it's probably easier/better for a home builder to
>>just do it one word or small section at a time.
>>
>>Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
>>Then you can have different things on your screen close together but
>>still not screen them.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>Current section: Panel Wiring
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
Hi all,
I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is left on
would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now it has occurred to
me that light would become annoying after a while. After thinking about it i
decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the same terminal on the ign. switch that
grounds the ignition [ I am only very slowly learning a little about all of
this] so now I am thinking to put a relay on to the lead from
the alt . This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped.
Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning light? I havent
seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have an eis with alarms. Will
my idea work and is there any schematic anywhere in Bob's book that would
get me thru this? thanks in advance
Bob Noffs
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Guys,
Time to come clean here....We're a long way from the masters of this
silkscreening stuff, but we've learned by now "sort of" how to make it work.
Just ask Tim...it takes a little trial and error at first, but when you get
it it looks great! We get the screens made for around $80-$100 (18"x20"
screen) for each panel that we do..you just layout what you want on the
screen indcuding all placards, arrows, registration ,etc.. then send it to
the screen people. Most screen printing places will make screens for a
charge off of a variet of file types/images. Make sure you ask for a higher
density screen mesh (over 250) for the ability to screen nice small point
text and borders.
Then, you get yourself a squeegee and some heavy water based ink and go to
town. There are some things that make go good or bad; Make sure the screen
is down really tight and flat against the panel which will keep the letters
really sharp and clean - if you don't the letters will be fuzzy. Next, make
sure you don't move the screen when your doing the letters, and make sure
you keep the screen steady when you lift it up..no moving sideways or the
image/text will blur. Also, like Tim said just tape off the areas you don't
use at any particular time. Also, try to get a medium density squeegee, not
a really hard one nor a really soft one - Just "medium".
When (If) I get some extra time I'll post a "how to" on my website about
screening on your labels. It's really not that difficult, and the nice
thing is that if you're using a decent ink, you can just wipe it off until
you get it how you like it.
The nice thing about silkscreens is that you can literally draw anything you
want in Visio, Word or whatever and have it show up on your panel in
whatever color you want, including some metallics. Last but not least, the
most important thing is keep the screens clean. Any leftover residue or ink
will make the printing look bad so keep them clean.
Oh, last but not least. DO NOT texture your panels with crinkle paint,
spackle, or other types of rough paint if you intend to screen print them.
It won't work. TurboCAD should work just fine for creating the labels, as
should Visio or almost any other graphics type program.
Just my 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
do not archive (we'll make a more detailed lesson for this in the future).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark R
> Steitle
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
> <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday. I
> know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
> you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
> of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
> I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
> the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
> worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
> for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
> hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
> made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
> screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
> pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
> a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close
> together but still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
Bob,
What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar, leave
it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the master,
usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention before you leave
and remind you of the Master left on.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>
> Hi all,
> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is left
> on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now it has
> occurred to me that light would become annoying after a while. After
> thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the same
> terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am only very
> slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am thinking to put a
> relay on to the lead from the alt . This relay would only
> close when power from the alternator stopped. Then my idiot light would go
> on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning light? I havent seen the need for a
> warning light as I plan to have an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and
> is there any schematic anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this?
> thanks in advance
> Bob Noffs
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
bob noffs wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>
> Hi all,
> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is left on
would be handy.
Bob,
If you have an oil pressure switch to activate a Hobbs (hour meter),
check out this schematic from 'lectric Bob.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Engine/Gaging/Oil_P_Warn.pdf
When the engine runs, no warning light, and the Hobbs counts the hours.
When the oil pressure drops to zero the oil pressure warning circuit is
closed and the oil pressure light/buzzer come on........as long as the
master switch is still on. Turn off the master, and the oil pressure
light/buzzer goes out. You could label the light "Oil Pressure / Master
ON".
Steve
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the strobe
on would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery
down)..
An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a little
combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door open
while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on, but
not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
airplane after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a defeat
switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave the
master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
maybe? Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these could
be illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
annoying to be around.
Regards,
Matt-
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
> <skywagon@charter.net>
>
> Bob,
> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention before
> you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a while.
>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt .
>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped.
>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in advance
>> Bob Noffs
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:43 PM 1/5/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>
>Hi all,
> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
> left on would be handy.
been selling those for years . . . see:
http://aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9005/9005.html
or build your own:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/lvwarn/9021-620.pdf
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/lvwarn/LVWarn-ABMM.html
It has the added advantage of being active notification
of alternator being off line either due to failure or
having been shut off. that's what I call multi-tasking.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Steve Sampson wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
> their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
A butcher is not a doctor and vice-versa. We were talking about
engineers and engineers. Your metaphor is invalid. If you want a more
valid metaphor you can talk about doctors trained in US medical schools
vs. someone learning from a doctor in the real world but without the
benefit of the formal, structured education. Remember, in medical school
you are just learning from other doctors. That could happen anywhere.
And also remember that often the people teaching engineering in school
have never had the experience of doing engineering in the real world.
The real question is whether you can be an engineer without the paper.
The degree and the capability are not the same thing. There are
incompetent degreed engineers (I know many) and there are very competent
engineers (I am defining that term to mean someone who successfully and
properly performs the function of an engineer) who have no degree.
What the degree says is that you have been exposed to all of the
background that an engineer needs to be able to become an engineer. It
does not say that you have actually become an engineer. Certainly
someone could learn what they need to know on their own and become a
fully-functional and productive engineer without benefit of a degree. It
would be more difficult but it is possible.
> GMC has a point!
GMC is wedded to the idea that the paper somehow makes the man. I
disagree with that notion.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Ideal Crimpmaster Dies??? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 03:50 PM 1/5/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
>
>While I am not yet at the wiring stage of my project, I am starting to
>accumulate the needed tools. I have an Ideal Crimpmaster from a prior
>project, but I need new dies for it and I am confused by which to buy.
>I am hoping one of you can set me straight.
>
>Ideal lists two dies which look from the diagram and specs to be
>identical, but which is the right one for my needs?
>30-579 Die Set, Insulated Terminals
>http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-579?OpenDocument
>or
This may very well be suited to installation of PIDG terminals
but wouldn't know without trying it. Odds are favorable but as
we've discovered with several tools in the past here on the
list, not all tools are made the same.
>30-594 Die Set, Insulated Slide-On Connectors
>http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-594?OpenDocument
Don't know what this is: If you're installing PIDG terminals, then
the crimp tool to apply them is the same as for the ring terminals.
I'm unable to deduce from the description as to the applicability
of this die set mostly because it doesn't define the matching terminals.
>On the coax side, I found this die for the Crimpmaster, but I am not
>sure if it is the one I need... comments?
>30-587 Die Set, RG-58, RG-174, RG-8218
>http://www.idealindustries.com/IDEAL-EZ/products.nsf/ItemMasterLookup/p30-587?OpenDocument
If you buy your connectors from B&C, then the .213 and .068
inch pockets will install their connectors . . . along with
many others which you'll have to try. It would be nice if the
connector manufacturers would put the die sizes for installation
on their connectors. But .213 and .068 are very popular sizes
and the odds are in your favor.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
I have to chime in here and say that in my 20-odd years in the computer
design business (I'm a software guy) the very best engineers I have ever
worked with did not have degrees. They were self taught. They started
tinkering when they were kids and when they got to college the
engineering curriculum put them to sleep. They were already doing
engineering for pay on the side so they just dropped out and got to work.
--
Tom Sargent
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
The website lists a product called "laser film". This is film that is
directly printed on in a standard laser printer or copier. I have not
contacted them yet so I don't know what the next step is in getting this
film to a screen printable material. Do you know?
Bevan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Ok, your best bet is the visio version if you want all the detail and want
to manipulate everthing. The biggest benefit is that it's also the smallest
file. There are some labels that I forgot
to add, like TRUTRAK ADI, and CAUTION. You probably wouldn't
want my original for yours anyway....make one with your own N-Number label
on it and stuff.
Just FYI: You don't really do this on your laser printer. You can print it
there, but you really actually just email the file to the company, and they
produce a photo positive printout from it. Then they use that to photo
expose the screen.
So it's reasonably easy to get one custom made for your own plane.
Small file size (Visio):
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD_breakers_fuses_switches.v
sd
Big Word Doc (5Mb):
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD_Panel_Silkscreen.doc
Big .jpg (5Mb)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/Silkscreen_Labels_13_17.jpg
HUGE TIF: (31M)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD_Silkscreen_13x17.tif
Also, this file is getting aged now, so some breaker sizes aren't accurate,
fuses might not be, and not all switches are where they were originally laid
out. Things change.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Panel Wiring
DO NOT ARCHIVE
B Tomm wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm"
> --> <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
>
> I would like a copy. Your work looks awesome! I had no idea I could
> do this from a laser printer.
>
> Bevan
> RV7A fuse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
> think for most things. I would be happy to share my original files
> with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the company that did
> my screens couldn't read a visio file, so I think I either sent them a
> word doc with the drawing in it, or I sent them a large .jpg. I have
> any of them available for your viewing if you wish. It might save you
> some time if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Mark R Steitle wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
>>--> <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>>
>>Tim,
>>Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
>>try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
>>I know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font
>>did you use?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>Olson
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>Mark,
>>Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think of
>>it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
>>I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than I
>>thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
>>it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
>>keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped the squeege
>>into ink and then squeegied it across, and that worked good.)...use
>>firm presure and a good squeege made for the job, then yank off the
>>screen and if it looks good, hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to
>>it than that.
>>If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen made
>>and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where screw
>>holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot pass. But, in
>>the end, I think it's probably easier/better for a home builder to
>>just do it one word or small section at a time.
>>
>>Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
>>Then you can have different things on your screen close together but
>>still not screen them.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>Current section: Panel Wiring
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Can we end this thread anytime soon?
I we must go on, can we add DO NOT ARCHIVE so as not to clog up the
archives.
Much appreciated..
-Sean RV-10 #40303
Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Steve Sampson wrote:
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>>
>> I cant resist asking how many on the list would ask the butcher to take
>> their appendix out rather than a qualified Dr. They both cut meat.
>>
>
> A butcher is not a doctor and vice-versa. We were talking about
> engineers and engineers. Your metaphor is invalid. If you want a more
> valid metaphor you can talk about doctors trained in US medical schools
> vs. someone learning from a doctor in the real world but without the
> benefit of the formal, structured education. Remember, in medical school
> you are just learning from other doctors. That could happen anywhere.
>
> And also remember that often the people teaching engineering in school
> have never had the experience of doing engineering in the real world.
>
> The real question is whether you can be an engineer without the paper.
> The degree and the capability are not the same thing. There are
> incompetent degreed engineers (I know many) and there are very competent
> engineers (I am defining that term to mean someone who successfully and
> properly performs the function of an engineer) who have no degree.
>
> What the degree says is that you have been exposed to all of the
> background that an engineer needs to be able to become an engineer. It
> does not say that you have actually become an engineer. Certainly
> someone could learn what they need to know on their own and become a
> fully-functional and productive engineer without benefit of a degree. It
> would be more difficult but it is possible.
>
>
>> GMC has a point!
>>
>
> GMC is wedded to the idea that the paper somehow makes the man. I
> disagree with that notion.
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 01/05/2006 6:52:07 PM Central Standard Time,
icubob@newnorth.net writes:
I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is left on
would be handy.
>>>
Hi Bob-
I put one of these fwf wired to NC contacts on my oil pressure switch- master
has never been left on and it sure gets folks attention around the airplane
(like at a fly in b'fast) when ya hit the master switch...
http://mpja.com/productview.asp?product=12722+SU
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Steve -
That's the way we did it. Works great. We did not wire up the buzzer,
however.
John
do not archive
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:33:37 -0800, Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org> wrote:
> If you have an oil pressure switch to activate a Hobbs (hour meter),
> check out this schematic from 'lectric Bob.
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Engine/Gaging/Oil_P_Warn.pdf
> When the engine runs, no warning light, and the Hobbs counts the hours.
> When the oil pressure drops to zero the oil pressure warning circuit is
> closed and the oil pressure light/buzzer come on........as long as the
> master switch is still on. Turn off the master, and the oil pressure
> light/buzzer goes out. You could label the light "Oil Pressure / Master
> ON".
> Steve
--
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Z-24 Nusance trips |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
OVM arrived today, will install this weekend and run some tests. Thanks ever so
much for checking this out. I don't have the equipment or skills to attempt
it and am glad this has alerted B&C to a possible parts problem.
I'll fly it with the fix and try to simulate the voltage fluctuations that appeared
to trigger the trips and report back.
I may have additional problems however. The charging voltage seems a bit high
at 14.8 volts indicated. This would seem to reduce the "head-room" for the OVM
circuit? My recollection is that most charging systems stabilize at around
13.8 while mine appears to remain higher than that by about a volt.
In testing this how much voltage difference should there be between the b-lead
and ground versus the field lead and ground, with the alternator running? I'm
beginning to suspect that there may be something amiss in the field circuit that
accounts for a higher output voltage than "normal".
I followed Z-13 & Z24 when wiring the disconnect relay and used 20g wire for the
field, is this adequate?
Regards,
Mike
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technology
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> technology
At 06:51 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:
>I have to chime in here and say that in my 20-odd years in the computer
>design business (I'm a software guy) the very best engineers I have ever
>worked with did not have degrees.
I guess it depends on what you're doing. I've never met anyone who
could design advanced structures without some engineering education. I've
met a lot of "seat-of-the-pants" designers, some of whom were pretty good,
but none could compare to someone who really knew the math.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: what is an engineer.... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
The difference between Surgeons and Butchers is that Butchers recently discovered
three new steaks: Shoulder (or Petite) Tender, Ranch Cut Steaks, and Flat Iron
Steaks. This is technology right up there with integrated circuits as far
as I'm concerned.
My dad was a non-degreed engineer who was right up there with the best, but was
sensitive all his days regarding the lack of a formal education. I know this
caused him some pain when wet-behind-the-engineers kids were hired at a salary
above his...company policy you know. But the real brains were in awe of his talents.
As a result he had a part in many of the major technological projects
of his time.
When I went to grade school I was taught to write with steel-tipped pens dipped
into inkwells. In college there were no pocket calculators, personal computers
were but a dream. The internet was decades from existing. The methods of acquiring
and using information changed radically. One could now toss grenades in
most town libraries with no fear of harming anyone. The time of bricks and mortar
education is nearing the end.
If I were asked what a bright technically sophisticated young person should study
in school, I would have to side with Thom Friedman--study what good teachers
are teaching, what really engages other students--it doesn't matter at all what
the subject is.
Certificates and diplomas are part of the "English Disease", that a Gentleman should
not work with his hands. Having initials after your name certificated you
to a life free of digging in the soil. This is a peculiar Anglo-American notion
not shared by the Germans and Russians and Chinese.
Small story--I recently fought a LIDAR speeding ticket. In my letter to the court,
I added some random and mysterious initials after my name "SDQ3". I did this
because I was wondering if the initials would make the court think I was someone
special. If challenged I would say they were just meaningless typos, and
apologize. It is beyond the scope of this note to describe the procedings, but
I beat the ticket. (Details offlist if you are faced with a similar situation).
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
" I would have made a good Pope."
-- Richard M. Nixon (1913-1994)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
> The website lists a product called "laser film". This is film that is
> directly printed on in a standard laser printer or copier. I have not
> contacted them yet so I don't know what the next step is in getting
> this film to a screen printable material. Do you know?
How about QuickMark by 3M....also there's a PhotoMetal process,
your artwork applied to photosensitive aluminum. Exposed turns
black, letters stay aluminum colored.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Symbols library |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Symbols library
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 02:31 PM 1/5/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>>
>>Bob ...
>>I'm unable to open the Symbols Library ...
>>Is there a way to get and use these symbols without down loading the
>>supporting DFW file? It requires over 100MB $pace/time to download with
>>dial-up.
>>All we need are the key symbols used in the Z figures since many of those
>>are repeated throughout. What am I missing besides rapid download
>>capability?
>>Thanks ...
>>Jerry Grimmonpre'
>
> My apologies. I'd forgotten about some of the excess baggage in
> that directory. I simply zipped the whole thing as-is. I just went
> through
> all the files and dumped the mechanical and composite drawings. I think
> the files are 99% pure schematic symbols. The new file is only
> 425K. Try this:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/0_ACAD_All_Symbols.zip
>
> Bob . . .
>
Thank you Bob ...
Your above link enabled me to download the icons of each file but then I
find I don't have the program to open them. I've spent a lot of time trying
to get to get the solution with no luck.
What is the program title and version and might it be available on ebay?
Thanks for your help ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
Sounds like wonderfully entertaining reading. Please continue...
Bevan
fvalarm@rapidnet.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric M.
Jones
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: what is an engineer....
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
--> <emjones@charter.net>
The difference between Surgeons and Butchers is that Butchers recently
discovered three new steaks: Shoulder (or Petite) Tender, Ranch Cut Steaks,
and Flat Iron Steaks. This is technology right up there with integrated
circuits as far as I'm concerned.
My dad was a non-degreed engineer who was right up there with the best, but
was sensitive all his days regarding the lack of a formal education. I know
this caused him some pain when wet-behind-the-engineers kids were hired at a
salary above his...company policy you know. But the real brains were in awe
of his talents. As a result he had a part in many of the major technological
projects of his time.
When I went to grade school I was taught to write with steel-tipped pens
dipped into inkwells. In college there were no pocket calculators, personal
computers were but a dream. The internet was decades from existing. The
methods of acquiring and using information changed radically. One could now
toss grenades in most town libraries with no fear of harming anyone. The
time of bricks and mortar education is nearing the end.
If I were asked what a bright technically sophisticated young person should
study in school, I would have to side with Thom Friedman--study what good
teachers are teaching, what really engages other students--it doesn't matter
at all what the subject is.
Certificates and diplomas are part of the "English Disease", that a
Gentleman should not work with his hands. Having initials after your name
certificated you to a life free of digging in the soil. This is a peculiar
Anglo-American notion not shared by the Germans and Russians and Chinese.
Small story--I recently fought a LIDAR speeding ticket. In my letter to the
court, I added some random and mysterious initials after my name "SDQ3". I
did this because I was wondering if the initials would make the court think
I was someone special. If challenged I would say they were just meaningless
typos, and apologize. It is beyond the scope of this note to describe the
procedings, but I beat the ticket. (Details offlist if you are faced with a
similar situation).
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
" I would have made a good Pope."
-- Richard M. Nixon (1913-1994)
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> Bruce,
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> My wife has soloed but no license and loves to fly,
> so I have GRT EFIS on
> left, Dynon with batt backup on right, along with
> "her" EIS4000 which displays
> engine parameters and feeds EFIS. No IFR for us, so
> this has gotta be
> mega-redundancy... Then a Garmin 296 we can both
> see....
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> Jerry Cochran
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> Experimental EFIS units have matured in recent
> years to the point where many
> of us will use one as a PFD. But has technology
> and reliability progressed
> to where a second EFIS with an independent power
> source could prudently be
> used to backup the PFD? For example, a pair of
> Dynon D-10A units could
> serve in this manner and have the added advantage
> of a backup PFD
> center/right that the co-pilot could see too.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: preston hall <bigp368@yahoo.com>
--- Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by:
> Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> My wife has soloed but no license and loves to fly,
> so I have GRT EFIS on
> left, Dynon with batt backup on right, along with
> "her" EIS4000 which displays
> engine parameters and feeds EFIS. No IFR for us, so
> this has gotta be
> mega-redundancy... Then a Garmin 296 we can both
> see....
>
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: EFIS Backup EFIS?
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce
> McGregor"
> <bruceflys@comcast.net>
>
>
> Experimental EFIS units have matured in recent
> years to the point where many
> of us will use one as a PFD. But has technology
> and reliability progressed
> to where a second EFIS with an independent power
> source could prudently be
> used to backup the PFD? For example, a pair of
> Dynon D-10A units could
> serve in this manner and have the added advantage
> of a backup PFD
> center/right that the co-pilot could see too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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