Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:02 AM - Securing Adel Clamps? ()
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Securing Adel Clamps? (Ken)
3. 05:15 AM - Duplicate messages? (Dan Brown)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (Jerry Grimmonpre)
5. 05:57 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 06:31 AM - Re: AW: Re: Master switch warning (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (Carlos Trigo)
8. 07:32 AM - GNS 480 Install Kit for Sale (Jack Loflin)
9. 07:41 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (Larry Mac Donald)
10. 07:47 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (Harley)
11. 08:17 AM - Re: AW: Check lists, Was: Master switch warning, AeroElectric-List (BigD@DaveMorris.com)
12. 08:17 AM - Re: AW: Re: Master switch warning (nuckollsr@cox.net)
13. 08:18 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
14. 08:18 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
15. 08:18 AM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
16. 08:18 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
17. 08:18 AM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
18. 08:18 AM - Blind encoder Display (Richard Hughes)
19. 08:19 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (jerry@mc.net)
20. 08:19 AM - Re: Kitplanes Marker Generator (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
21. 08:19 AM - Re: what is an engineer (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
22. 08:19 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
23. 08:19 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wrmaxwell@bigpond.com)
24. 08:19 AM - Re: Securing Adel Clamps? (klehman@albedo.net)
25. 08:19 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup EFIS?) (khorton01@rogers.com)
26. 08:19 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wschertz@ispwest.com)
27. 08:19 AM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (nuckollsr@cox.net)
28. 08:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (bob@bob-white.com)
29. 08:19 AM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (klehman@albedo.net)
30. 08:19 AM - Re: Battery maintainer (nuckollsr@cox.net)
31. 08:19 AM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
32. 08:20 AM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
33. 08:20 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (trigo@mail.telepac.pt)
34. 08:20 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (rvbuilder@sausen.net)
35. 08:59 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (Craig Payne)
36. 08:59 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (Harley)
37. 09:08 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (Mark R Steitle)
38. 09:13 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup... (Jim Jewell)
39. 09:30 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (lm4@juno.com)
40. 09:30 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (jerry@mc.net)
41. 09:30 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (harley@AgelessWings.com)
42. 09:30 AM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
43. 09:30 AM - Re: Battery maintainer (nuckollsr@cox.net)
44. 09:30 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (craig@craigandjean.com)
45. 09:30 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (rvbuilder@sausen.net)
46. 09:30 AM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
47. 09:31 AM - Re: Symbols library (bob@bob-white.com)
48. 09:31 AM - Re: Kitplanes Marker Generator (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
49. 09:31 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
50. 09:31 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup... (BobsV35B@AOL.com)
51. 09:31 AM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
52. 09:31 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup EFIS?) (khorton01@rogers.com)
53. 09:31 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
54. 09:31 AM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (klehman@albedo.net)
55. 09:31 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wschertz@ispwest.com)
56. 09:31 AM - Re: Securing Adel Clamps? (klehman@albedo.net)
57. 09:31 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
58. 09:31 AM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (nuckollsr@cox.net)
59. 09:31 AM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
60. 09:31 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wrmaxwell@bigpond.com)
61. 09:31 AM - Re: what is an engineer (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
62. 09:31 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (trigo@mail.telepac.pt)
63. 09:52 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (D Wysong)
64. 09:52 AM - Re: AW: Check lists, Was: Master switch warning, AeroElectric-List (BigD@DaveMorris.com)
65. 09:53 AM - Re: AW: Re: Master switch warning (nuckollsr@cox.net)
66. 09:54 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu)
67. 09:55 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
68. 09:55 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup... (jjewell@telus.net)
69. 09:59 AM - Re: what is an engineer (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
70. 09:59 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (jerry@mc.net)
71. 09:59 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (trigo@mail.telepac.pt)
72. 09:59 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (lm4@juno.com)
73. 10:01 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wschertz@ispwest.com)
74. 10:16 AM - ELT Antenna Length (Tinne maha)
75. 10:18 AM - Working on Duplicate Message Problem... (Matt Dralle)
76. 10:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
77. 10:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
78. 10:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (bob@bob-white.com)
79. 10:19 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (rvbuilder@sausen.net)
80. 10:19 AM - Re: Battery maintainer (nuckollsr@cox.net)
81. 10:19 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (craig@craigandjean.com)
82. 10:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
83. 10:19 AM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup EFIS?) (khorton01@rogers.com)
84. 10:19 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wrmaxwell@bigpond.com)
85. 10:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
86. 10:19 AM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
87. 10:19 AM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
88. 10:19 AM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (nuckollsr@cox.net)
89. 10:19 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (harley@AgelessWings.com)
90. 10:19 AM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
91. 10:19 AM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (klehman@albedo.net)
92. 10:19 AM - Re: Kitplanes Marker Generator (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
93. 10:23 AM - Re: Securing Adel Clamps? (klehman@albedo.net)
94. 10:23 AM - Re: Duplicate messages? (David Lloyd)
95. 10:24 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (Craig Payne)
96. 10:44 AM - Re: Symbols library (John Burnaby)
97. 10:55 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (Richard Hughes)
98. 11:00 AM - Duplicates Solved... (Matt Dralle)
99. 11:22 AM - Re: Duplicates Solved... (David Lloyd)
100. 11:39 AM - Re: Blind encoder Display (David Lloyd)
101. 12:00 PM - Re: AW: Check lists, Was: Master switch warning, AeroElectric-List (BigD@DaveMorris.com)
102. 12:00 PM - Re: AW: Re: Master switch warning (nuckollsr@cox.net)
103. 12:00 PM - Re: what is an engineer (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
104. 12:00 PM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (klehman@albedo.net)
105. 12:00 PM - Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie (nuckollsr@cox.net)
106. 12:02 PM - Re: ELT Antenna Length (David Lloyd)
107. 12:12 PM - DB-25 Pinout for an Eventide Argus 7000? (D Wysong)
108. 12:18 PM - Re: exp-bus (Jerry2DT@AOL.com)
109. 12:24 PM - Re: Symbols library (bob@bob-white.com)
110. 12:24 PM - Re: what is an engineer (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
111. 12:24 PM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
112. 12:25 PM - Re: Symbols library (nuckollsr@cox.net)
113. 12:25 PM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
114. 12:25 PM - Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS Backup... (jjewell@telus.net)
115. 12:25 PM - Re: Symbols library (jonlaury@impulse.net)
116. 12:27 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu)
117. 12:27 PM - Re: Duplicate messages? (lm4@juno.com)
118. 12:27 PM - Re: Duplicate messages? (harley@AgelessWings.com)
119. 12:27 PM - Re: Duplicate messages? (skywagon@charter.net)
120. 12:27 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Labels (wschertz@ispwest.com)
121. 12:28 PM - Re: Blind encoder Display (hdwysong@gmail.com)
122. 12:28 PM - Re: Kitplanes Marker Generator (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
123. 12:28 PM - Re: corvair list (raymondj@frontiernet.net)
124. 12:38 PM - Re: Duplicates Solved... (For Real, This Time!) (Matt Dralle)
125. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Duplicates Solved... (For Real, This Time!) (D Wysong)
126. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: exp-bus (Mickey Coggins)
127. 05:41 PM - mag switches (Jeff Orear)
128. 05:41 PM - Re: Blind encoder Display (Brian Lloyd)
129. 05:44 PM - Re: ELT Antenna Length (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
130. 06:05 PM - E-Bus Avionics Switch ? (Bill Schlatterer)
131. 06:35 PM - Re: ELT Antenna Length (Dave Morris \)
132. 06:38 PM - Re: mag switches (Matt Prather)
133. 07:13 PM - All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! (Matt Dralle)
134. 07:21 PM - Re: ELT Antenna Length (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
135. 07:22 PM - Re: mag switches (Jeff Orear)
136. 07:48 PM - Load Analysis (Dennis Johnson)
137. 08:56 PM - Re: mag switches (Matt Prather)
138. 09:16 PM - Disregard Load Analysis (Dennis Johnson)
Message 1
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| Subject: | Securing Adel Clamps? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I am working on tunnel/undercarriage area of a Europa XS Monowheel. I
installed Adel clamps on Undercarriage Mounting Frame 1/2" and 3/4" to
help with routing of wires, cables and hoses.
This is a complicated tight area on airplane.
The problem is if I try not too hard, I can twist clamps to a undesirable
position, where it would be hard to reposition once the firewall is
installed. The clamps are of proper size, and the next size down will not
fit.
Any suggestions how to get the clamps a bit more stuck?
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Adel Clamps? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Hi Ron
I put a turn or two of self bonding silicone tape such as Spruce pn
09-30450 under the clamps in a few places.
Ken
rparigor@SUFFOLK.LIB.NY.US wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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>I am working on tunnel/undercarriage area of a Europa XS Monowheel. I
>installed Adel clamps on Undercarriage Mounting Frame 1/2" and 3/4" to
>help with routing of wires, cables and hoses.
>
>This is a complicated tight area on airplane.
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>The problem is if I try not too hard, I can twist clamps to a undesirable
>position, where it would be hard to reposition once the firewall is
>installed. The clamps are of proper size, and the next size down will not
>fit.
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>Any suggestions how to get the clamps a bit more stuck?
>
>Thx.
>Sincerely
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | Re: Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
I agree ... some 4-5 times all from aeroelectric-list.
Jerry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
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> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
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> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I let Matt know about it yesterday. Looks like he already fixed it as I haven't
seen anything new since then.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three copies of some
messages that I've already seen twice or more.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring
story rather than the story that is less enduring."
-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | Re: Master switch warning |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 09:53 PM 1/8/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
><ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
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>Bob,
>
>The warning for main and e-bus is installed as you suggest. However
>there is also the always hot battery bus, which feeds the clock in the
>MicoMonitor (some few milliamps) and the cabin lights (condiserably more
>power). If these lights are left on - it shouldn't happen, but it will
>some day - then the battery will be emptied. Thus the idea of a buzzer
>that alerts me if the battery bus distributes more than some few
>milliamps. Is this a better explanation of the (not so important)
>problem?
Understand. Utility items like courtesy lights can
be fitted with on-limit timers. We have these on
some of our bizjets for baggage compartment lights.
More than one important trip was delayed or canceled
because of a light being left on and the battery was
completely flat at pre-flight.
Very light draws you mentioned are continuous,
necessary and generally tolerated if the airplane
is flown often enough. If stored for long periods
of time, disconnecting the battery or installing
a maintainer jack seems useful.
We'll have a programmable on-limit timer in the
new bevy of products coming to aeroelectric.com
Our first two new products are nearing the field
testing phase. I'll see if we can do the on-limit
timer as project #3.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Yes I do. Must be some kind of virus on the list.
CT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
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> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | GNS 480 Install Kit for Sale |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jack Loflin <loflinj@comcast.net>
Hi all,
I have a Garmin GNS 480 (formerly CNX 80 of UPSAT) install kit I'm trying to
get rid of. It was wired by Stark Avionics (the famous 'John Stark') and is
ready to be installed in your panel during construction. The 'black box' can
be slid into the tray at a later date when needed and money is available.
Make offer, anything considered! Please respond directly.
-Jack
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
Yes Dan,
I'm getting the same thing.
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
Do not achcive
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
writes:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
> <dan@familybrown.org>
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> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
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> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
> the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | Re: Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Might as well add my two cents as long as the rest of the Rochester area
has chimed in! <G>
I was getting them for awhile this weekend as well...but it looks like
it's back to normal now...guess Matt figured it out.
Harley Dixon
Larry Mac Donald wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
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>Yes Dan,
> I'm getting the same thing.
>Larry Mac Donald
>lm4@juno.com
>Rochester N.Y.
>Do not achcive
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>On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>writes:
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
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>>Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>>Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>>copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
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>>--
>>Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>>"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
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| Subject: | Re: Check lists, Was: Master switch warning, |
AeroElectric-List
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BigD@DaveMorris.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BigD@DaveMorris.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BigD@DaveMorris.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
warning, AeroElectric-List
I'll bet you can find schematics for those in Popular Electronics going
back to the mid 1930's.
Dave Morris
At 09:53 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
><ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
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>The buzzer idea sounds great! Lights and other devices fed by the always
>hot battery bus will empty the battery one day if that bus is not
>supervised by an intelligent warning system. Any specialist in
>electronics out there who is able and willing to invent and build such a
>warning (buzzer) system?
>
>Alfred
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>-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Ken
>Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Januar 2006 18:50
>An: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com.AeroElectric-List
>Betreff: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check lists, Was: Master switch warning,
>AeroElectric-List
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>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
>
>A universal solution might be a buzzer that detects when more than a few
>
>ma of current is flowing out of the battery. I'll think about it but I
>don't think I know a simple way to do that such that it draws no standby
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>current, and doesn't add failure points to the original aircraft wiring
>
>Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Master switch warning |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 09:53 PM 1/8/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
><ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
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>Bob,
>
>The warning for main and e-bus is installed as you suggest. However
>there is also the always hot battery bus, which feeds the clock in the
>MicoMonitor (some few milliamps) and the cabin lights (condiserably more
>power). If these lights are left on - it shouldn't happen, but it will
>some day - then the battery will be emptied. Thus the idea of a buzzer
>that alerts me if the battery bus distributes more than some few
>milliamps. Is this a better explanation of the (not so important)
>problem?
Understand. Utility items like courtesy lights can
be fitted with on-limit timers. We have these on
some of our bizjets for baggage compartment lights.
More than one important trip was delayed or canceled
because of a light being left on and the battery was
completely flat at pre-flight.
Very light draws you mentioned are continuous,
necessary and generally tolerated if the airplane
is flown often enough. If stored for long periods
of time, disconnecting the battery or installing
a maintainer jack seems useful.
We'll have a programmable on-limit timer in the
new bevy of products coming to aeroelectric.com
Our first two new products are nearing the field
testing phase. I'll see if we can do the on-limit
timer as project #3.
Bob . . .
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At 07:22 AM 1/7/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>Bob,
>The link seems to be dead
That's the old "fat" file. Here's the trimmed file
I posted later:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/0_ACAD_All_Symbols.zip
Also, be aware that the website is getting some much needed attention
for organization and from time to time, files may move to new folders.
You can always go directly to the folder structures by using the site
index at:
http://aeroelectric.com/Downloads.html
and explore the directories from there. In this case, you
go to "Page per System Drawings" and then to "ACAD_Symbols_Library"
that will take to the individual symbols and the .zip file of
all symbols cited above.
Bob . . .
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At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
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>
>Bob,
>
>Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
>a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
>trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
making my .zip files self-extracting but this
makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
concerned about.
Try going to this directory:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library
2DIODBLK.DWG is an old symbol originally saved under R14 AutoCAD which
I just opened and re-saved under 2000. The thing jumped from
5K to 25K bytes (ugh!).
The one just below . . . 30SPDTRY.DWG is still in AutoCAD R14.
I'd appreciate it if you'd see how your TCv7.0 handles these
two files.
The Unzip corruption is another issue. I'll poke around on
the 'net and see if we might have a compatibility problem between
releases of PkZip.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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Re corrupted file:
2nd time was the charm. TurboCAD v 7.0 downloaded all the .dwg drawings just fine.
Thanks Bob.
John
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>
>
>Re corrupted file:
>
>2nd time was the charm. TurboCAD v 7.0 downloaded all the .dwg drawings
>just fine.
>
>Thanks Bob.
>
>John
Thank you! I'm pleased to benefit from data gathered
in your experiment.
Bob . . .
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Bob,
Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got a corruption
message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no trouble opening
.dwg's in the past.
John
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| Subject: | Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a
resistor and 9 diodes. If you have the time to wait
for shipping get the RST item in the link.
(http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
This allowed my partner and myself to remove the
encoder and altimiter, using a hand pump calibrate the
encoder on the dining room table instead of in the
cold.
Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is
interested http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read
the lines and display them on a serial LCD. The
question is the interface.
When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a
line has a one value it goes to ground. Could I just
put diodes on the lines and check each pin for when it
goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a
seperate chip to detect the voltage that can handle up
to 12 volts?
The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd
display while in flight and providing mode C to the
transponder.
-Rich
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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I agree ... some 4-5 times all from aeroelectric-list.
Jerry
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
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> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
kcorr@charter.net wrote:
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>
>Jim Weir wrote an article in the latest issue of Kitplanes (Feb '06) about how
to build a marker generator. Looks like a pretty simple unit to build. Can
anyone point me in the right direction on what he is using for the 32kHz clock,
op-amp, and diodes for the marker beacon tone generator? Also, I assume that
the capacitors are ceramic disk and the resistors are 1/4 watt. Any help will
be greatly appreciated.
>
>Kent Orr
>
Jim Weir monitors rec.aviation.homebuilt & answers questions about his
projects on that newsgroup. He's usually pretty quick to answer
questions (just be specific about what you want). Also, there's usually
more complete info on his web site.
Charlie
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In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:58:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
I am not enjoying any of the pettyness and self-centeredness associated with
this thread, but I think the following obituary sheds some light on what may
be accomplished, technically and otherwise, by a non degreed person:
I whole heartedly agree with you, O.C.! I have met some wonderful genius
non degreed engineers in my lifetime (wish I could have met Orville and
Wilbur!). It is too bad that many degreed engineers use that degree as a pedigree
or as a license to be rude and unkind. In the military, a man can be
commissioned to be an officer and a gentleman but, it is up to him to be that
gentleman.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS |
Backup...
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Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01@rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wrmaxwell@bigpond.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Maxwell" <wrmaxwell@bigpond.com>
Me too, please Frank.
Bill
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From: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
>
> I would like one Frank
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser # 4045
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>> (Corvallis)"
>> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>> Picture sent.
>>
>> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Harley
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
>> directly...
>>
>> harley@agelesswings.com
>>
>> Harley
>>
>>
>> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>>
>>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>>could look
>>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>>
>>>really worth it.
>>>
>>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>>panel...:)
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Harley
>>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
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>>>
>>>Morning, Frank...
>>>
>>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>>
>>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>>
>>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>>
>>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>>
>>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>>then printing.
>>>
>>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>>
>>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>>
>>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>>installed...but easy to do...
>>>
>>>I Like it!
>>>
>>>Harley
>>>
>>>
>>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>>
>>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>>
>>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>>removable
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>>
>>>>when printed.
>>>>
>>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>>
>>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>>
>>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>>
>>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>>
>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Adel Clamps? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Hi Ron
I put a turn or two of self bonding silicone tape such as Spruce pn
09-30450 under the clamps in a few places.
Ken
rparigor@SUFFOLK.LIB.NY.US wrote:
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>
>I am working on tunnel/undercarriage area of a Europa XS Monowheel. I
>installed Adel clamps on Undercarriage Mounting Frame 1/2" and 3/4" to
>help with routing of wires, cables and hoses.
>
>This is a complicated tight area on airplane.
>
>The problem is if I try not too hard, I can twist clamps to a undesirable
>position, where it would be hard to reposition once the firewall is
>installed. The clamps are of proper size, and the next size down will not
>fit.
>
>Any suggestions how to get the clamps a bit more stuck?
>
>Thx.
>Sincerely
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
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Backup EFIS?)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: khorton01@rogers.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: khorton01@rogers.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: khorton01@rogers.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: khorton01@rogers.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
> If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
> other, (an
> almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
> movement at
> all.
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
I would like one Frank
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Picture sent.
>
> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Harley
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
> directly...
>
> harley@agelesswings.com
>
> Harley
>
>
> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>
>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>could look
>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>
>>really worth it.
>>
>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>panel...:)
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Harley
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>>Morning, Frank...
>>
>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>
>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>
>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>
>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>
>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>then printing.
>>
>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>
>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>
>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>installed...but easy to do...
>>
>>I Like it!
>>
>>Harley
>>
>>
>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>
>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>
>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>removable
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>
>>>when printed.
>>>
>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>
>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>
>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>
>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
99+ percent of alternator failures is to simply stop
producing for whatever reason . . . including ov trip.
A major fraction of what's left will be cause for manual
shutown . . . voltage unstable? Whatever. It is very unlikely
that any alternator failure will take out the b-lead protection.
It's axiomatic that many problems get worse when the pilot
starts messing with things in some attempt to "get all the
goodies back up and running."
The advantage of a fully dual system is that you spread
your backup systems around. One on main bus, one on aux
bus. The best thing to do when something goes T.U. on one
bus is to simply shut that one down. Go into an endurance
mode until comfortable arrival is assured. Battery on the
cold bus is held in reserve. Battery on working bus is
being supported by normal alternator operations.
When and if anything on the 'cold' bus becomes useful
or necessary in the final phase of flight. Close battery
contactor first and watch for normal battery-only
bus levels. Close crossfeed contactor second while observing both
bus voltages now show normal operational levels. Then
finish the flight.
If any voltages appear out of whack after operation of
a switch, re-open the switch immediately and finish the
flight on one bus . . . but don't do this experiment until
you have the airport in sight.
I think it's useful to think of the various system options
as tools for comfortable termination of flight by insuring
availability of minimum equipment . . . the exercises that
pilots go through to perform in-flight diagnostics and/or
get some suite of equipment up running doesn't
necessarily improve outcome is certainly a distraction
and perhaps hazardous.
Only the more complex aircraft can justify Z-14. While
complexity brings capability and convenience, it also
brings workload. If you're vfr in the clear, then perhaps
a total failure is no big deal. When you are depending on at
least the most useful of things to be working then you're
probably IFR and busy with pilot-things to do. The last
thing you want to do is troubleshoot especially when there
is risk of making a situation worse.
Bob . . .
>Hi Adam
>I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
>alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
>protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
>With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
>diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
>activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
>open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
>crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
>the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
>option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
>circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
>allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
>be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
>sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
>really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
>makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
>option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
>maintanance facility.
>Ken
>
>Adam Molny wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny
> <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>
> >
> >I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
> >FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
> >go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
> >ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
> >single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
> >failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
> >
> >If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
> >it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
> >and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
> >
> >If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
> >field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
> >the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
> >overloading bus B.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Adam Molny
> >Legacy #151
> >
> >
> >
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>
>--
>
>
>-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Bob . . .
--------------------------------------------------------
< Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition >
< of man. Advances which permit this norm to be >
< exceeded -- here and there, now and then -- are the >
< work of an extremely small minority, frequently >
< despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed >
< by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny >
< minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes >
< happens) is driven out of a society, the people >
< then slip back into abject poverty. >
< >
< This is known as "bad luck". >
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:09:22 -0600
"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
> >
> >Bob,
> >
> >Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
> >a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
> >trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
>
> Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
> I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
> for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
> making my .zip files self-extracting but this
> makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
> concerned about.
>
Besides us Linux guys don't appreciate .exe files at all. I checked a
few of the DWG files from the first link you posted and they open with
VariCAD after I changed all the extensions to lower case.
Bob W.
--
http://www.bob-white.com
N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (Projected engine start - maybe today)
Custom Cables for your rotary installation -
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Hi Adam
I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
maintanance facility.
Ken
Adam Molny wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>
>
>I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
>FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
>go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
>ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
>single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
>failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
>
>If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
>it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
>and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
>
>If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
>field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
>the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
>overloading bus B.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Adam Molny
>Legacy #151
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery maintainer |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:12 AM 12/24/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
><rtmarshall@osb.net>
>
>Hi Bob and aeroelectric people, a question! What was the final opinion of
>the group on which battery maintainer seem to work the best on the lead
>sponge batteries. thanks much and BTW Merry Xmas to all, Bob
I don't think there was ever a consensus for a "golden"
battery maintainer. I've tested several Battery Tender
and Schumacher (Wall Mart and others) products and found
that they meet their advertising sales literature and
do indeed offer battery charging and maintaining functions
superior to similar products offered a few years ago. I
have some samples from Soneil which I tested several
months ago. I couldn't get them to do the advertised
"desulfating pulse-charge". I've had some limited
conversation with them since and had planned to visit
their facility as a side trip on our visit to Canada
for a weekend seminar late last year. The visit didn't
work out and further examination of Soneil's products
are on the back burner for the moment.
In the mean time, go to Wall Mart or perhaps Ebay
(Item number: 4601687546) and get a perfectly
adequate charger/maintainer for little more than
pocket change.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: corvair list |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Thanks,
RayJ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> You can subscribe at http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft and/or search
> the archives (good to do before posting a question that has been asked
> before). The archives are at http://mylist.net/archives/corvaircraft/.
>
> William Wynne actually is the Corvair-in aircraft expert, having invested
> 12
> years of his life into this. His site is at www.flycorvair.com. To search
> William's site (not the e-mail list's archive):
> www.davemorris.com/SearchFlyCorvair.cfm
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of _
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Craig,
>
> Please post the location of the corvair list.
>
> Thanks,
> RayJ
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>>
>> Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> list
>> last night.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Denton
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>
>> This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> simply
>> used pencils.
>>
>> Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>>
>> 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>>
>> 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> Prather
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> --> <mprather@spro.net>
>>
>> Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>>
>> If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the strobe
>> on
>> would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery down)..
>>
>> An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> little
>> combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> open
>> while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> but
>> not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> airplane
>> after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>>
>> Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a defeat
>> switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> the
>> master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> maybe?
>> Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>>
>> If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these could
>> be
>> illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> annoying
>> to be around.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matt-
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>>> <skywagon@charter.net>
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>>> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>>> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>>> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>>>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>>>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>>>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a while.
>>>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>>>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>>>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>>>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt
>>>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped
>>>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>>>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>>>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>>>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in advance
>>>> Bob Noffs
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
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RayJ
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Morris "BigD"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\""
> <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
> http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
>
> Dave Morris
> www.N75UP.com
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>>Craig,
>>
>>Please post the location of the corvair list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>RayJ
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> > <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> >
>> > The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>> >
>> > http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>> >
>> > Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> > list
>> > last night.
>> >
>> > -- Craig
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> > Denton
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> > --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>> >
>> > This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> > wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> > astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> > simply
>> > used pencils.
>> >
>> > Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>> >
>> > 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>> >
>> > 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> > Prather
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> > --> <mprather@spro.net>
>> >
>> > Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>> >
>> > If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the
>> > strobe
>> > on
>> > would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery
>> > down)..
>> >
>> > An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> > little
>> > combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> > master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> > open
>> > while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> > but
>> > not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> > airplane
>> > after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>> >
>> > Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> > aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> > night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a
>> > defeat
>> > switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> > the
>> > master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> > maybe?
>> > Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>> >
>> > If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these
>> > could
>> > be
>> > illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> > annoying
>> > to be around.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Matt-
>> >
>> >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>> >> <skywagon@charter.net>
>> >>
>> >> Bob,
>> >> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>> >> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>> >> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>> >> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>> >>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>> >>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>> >>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a
>> >>> while.
>> >>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>> >>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>> >>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>> >>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt .
>> >>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped.
>> >>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>> >>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>> >>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>> >>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in
>> >>> advance
>> >>> Bob Noffs
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Yes I do. Must be some kind of virus on the list.
CT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
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| Subject: | Duplicate messages? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rvbuilder@sausen.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I let Matt know about it yesterday. Looks like he already fixed it as I haven't
seen anything new since then.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three copies of some
messages that I've already seen twice or more.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring
story rather than the story that is less enduring."
-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
My transponder will do this (Garmin GTX 327). Is there any display on yours?
Also some encoders also spit out RS232. That might be easier to connect to
the PIC.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Hughes
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind encoder Display
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes
--> <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a resistor and 9
diodes. If you have the time to wait for shipping get the RST item in the
link.
(http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
This allowed my partner and myself to remove the encoder and altimiter,
using a hand pump calibrate the encoder on the dining room table instead of
in the cold.
Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is interested
http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read the lines and display
them on a serial LCD. The question is the interface.
When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a line has a one value
it goes to ground. Could I just put diodes on the lines and check each pin
for when it goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a seperate
chip to detect the voltage that can handle up to 12 volts?
The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd display while in
flight and providing mode C to the transponder.
-Rich
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Oops...guess I was too early...looks like it's doing it again!
Seems that every email that is a duplicate has an administrators ID
number or two on it...like this one:
AdmID:C54FF9E1511873D4B582657F68925039
And, it appears that they are the same ones that were repeated this last weekend.
None of the newer messages seem to be included.
If that's any help...
Harley
Harley wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
>Might as well add my two cents as long as the rest of the Rochester area
>has chimed in! <G>
>
>I was getting them for awhile this weekend as well...but it looks like
>it's back to normal now...guess Matt figured it out.
>
>Harley Dixon
>
>
>Larry Mac Donald wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
>>
>>Yes Dan,
>> I'm getting the same thing.
>>Larry Mac Donald
>>lm4@juno.com
>>Rochester N.Y.
>>Do not achcive
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>>writes:
>>
>>
>>
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>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
>>><dan@familybrown.org>
>>>
>>>Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>>>Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>>>copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>>>"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
>>>the
>>>more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
>>>-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>>>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Tim,
Thanks for the files. I will have to strip my sub-panels and repaint
with smooth paint though. Final result will be worth it.
Thanks,
Mark S.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
think for most things. I would be happy to share my original
files with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the
company that did my screens couldn't read a visio file, so
I think I either sent them a word doc with the drawing in it, or
I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them available for
your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time
if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
<mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
I
> know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
> you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
> of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
> I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
> the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
> worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
> for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
> hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
> made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
> screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
> pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
> a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close
> together but still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS |
Backup...
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
As the sample below indicates I am still receiving many duplicate massages
after others have reported a fix is in place.
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was:
EFIS Backup...
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> Great Information Kevin,
>
>
> I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
> scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
>
> The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
> several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your
> comment?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> khorton01@rogers.com writes:
>
> Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
> spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
> attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
> rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
> showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
> do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
> ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
>
> The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
> inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
> roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
> direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
> probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
> unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
> which rudder you need to push.
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
Yes Dan,
I'm getting the same thing.
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
Do not achcive
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
writes:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
> <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
> the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerry@mc.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerry@mc.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
I agree ... some 4-5 times all from aeroelectric-list.
Jerry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: harley@AgelessWings.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Might as well add my two cents as long as the rest of the Rochester area
has chimed in! <G>
I was getting them for awhile this weekend as well...but it looks like
it's back to normal now...guess Matt figured it out.
Harley Dixon
Larry Mac Donald wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
>
>Yes Dan,
> I'm getting the same thing.
>Larry Mac Donald
>lm4@juno.com
>Rochester N.Y.
>Do not achcive
>
>
>On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>writes:
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
>><dan@familybrown.org>
>>
>>Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>>Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>>copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>>
>>--
>>Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>>"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
>>the
>>more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
>>-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>>
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| Subject: | Re: corvair list |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Thanks
RayJ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Morris "BigD"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\""
> <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
> http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
>
> Dave Morris
> www.N75UP.com
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>>Craig,
>>
>>Please post the location of the corvair list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>RayJ
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> > <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> >
>> > The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>> >
>> > http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>> >
>> > Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> > list
>> > last night.
>> >
>> > -- Craig
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> > Denton
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> > --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>> >
>> > This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> > wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> > astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> > simply
>> > used pencils.
>> >
>> > Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>> >
>> > 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>> >
>> > 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> > Prather
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> > --> <mprather@spro.net>
>> >
>> > Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>> >
>> > If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the
>> > strobe
>> > on
>> > would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery
>> > down)..
>> >
>> > An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> > little
>> > combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> > master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> > open
>> > while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> > but
>> > not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> > airplane
>> > after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>> >
>> > Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> > aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> > night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a
>> > defeat
>> > switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> > the
>> > master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> > maybe?
>> > Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>> >
>> > If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these
>> > could
>> > be
>> > illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> > annoying
>> > to be around.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Matt-
>> >
>> >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>> >> <skywagon@charter.net>
>> >>
>> >> Bob,
>> >> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>> >> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>> >> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>> >> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>> >>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>> >>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>> >>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a
>> >>> while.
>> >>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>> >>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>> >>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>> >>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt .
>> >>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped.
>> >>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>> >>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>> >>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>> >>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in
>> >>> advance
>> >>> Bob Noffs
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
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At 08:12 AM 12/24/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
><rtmarshall@osb.net>
>
>Hi Bob and aeroelectric people, a question! What was the final opinion of
>the group on which battery maintainer seem to work the best on the lead
>sponge batteries. thanks much and BTW Merry Xmas to all, Bob
I don't think there was ever a consensus for a "golden"
battery maintainer. I've tested several Battery Tender
and Schumacher (Wall Mart and others) products and found
that they meet their advertising sales literature and
do indeed offer battery charging and maintaining functions
superior to similar products offered a few years ago. I
have some samples from Soneil which I tested several
months ago. I couldn't get them to do the advertised
"desulfating pulse-charge". I've had some limited
conversation with them since and had planned to visit
their facility as a side trip on our visit to Canada
for a weekend seminar late last year. The visit didn't
work out and further examination of Soneil's products
are on the back burner for the moment.
In the mean time, go to Wall Mart or perhaps Ebay
(Item number: 4601687546) and get a perfectly
adequate charger/maintainer for little more than
pocket change.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
My transponder will do this (Garmin GTX 327). Is there any display on yours?
Also some encoders also spit out RS232. That might be easier to connect to
the PIC.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Hughes
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind encoder Display
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes
--> <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a resistor and 9
diodes. If you have the time to wait for shipping get the RST item in the
link.
(http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
This allowed my partner and myself to remove the encoder and altimiter,
using a hand pump calibrate the encoder on the dining room table instead of
in the cold.
Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is interested
http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read the lines and display
them on a serial LCD. The question is the interface.
When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a line has a one value
it goes to ground. Could I just put diodes on the lines and check each pin
for when it goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a seperate
chip to detect the voltage that can handle up to 12 volts?
The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd display while in
flight and providing mode C to the transponder.
-Rich
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rvbuilder@sausen.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rvbuilder@sausen.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I let Matt know about it yesterday. Looks like he already fixed it as I haven't
seen anything new since then.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three copies of some
messages that I've already seen twice or more.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring
story rather than the story that is less enduring."
-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Thanks,
RayJ
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> You can subscribe at http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft and/or search
> the archives (good to do before posting a question that has been asked
> before). The archives are at http://mylist.net/archives/corvaircraft/.
>
> William Wynne actually is the Corvair-in aircraft expert, having invested
> 12
> years of his life into this. His site is at www.flycorvair.com. To search
> William's site (not the e-mail list's archive):
> www.davemorris.com/SearchFlyCorvair.cfm
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of _
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Craig,
>
> Please post the location of the corvair list.
>
> Thanks,
> RayJ
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>>
>> Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> list
>> last night.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Denton
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>
>> This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> simply
>> used pencils.
>>
>> Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>>
>> 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>>
>> 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> Prather
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> --> <mprather@spro.net>
>>
>> Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>>
>> If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the strobe
>> on
>> would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery down)..
>>
>> An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> little
>> combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> open
>> while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> but
>> not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> airplane
>> after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>>
>> Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a defeat
>> switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> the
>> master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> maybe?
>> Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>>
>> If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these could
>> be
>> illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> annoying
>> to be around.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matt-
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>>> <skywagon@charter.net>
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>>> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>>> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>>> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>>>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>>>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>>>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a while.
>>>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>>>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>>>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>>>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt
>>>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped
>>>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>>>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>>>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>>>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in advance
>>>> Bob Noffs
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:09:22 -0600
"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
> >
> >Bob,
> >
> >Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
> >a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
> >trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
>
> Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
> I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
> for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
> making my .zip files self-extracting but this
> makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
> concerned about.
>
Besides us Linux guys don't appreciate .exe files at all. I checked a
few of the DWG files from the first link you posted and they open with
VariCAD after I changed all the extensions to lower case.
Bob W.
--
http://www.bob-white.com
N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (Projected engine start - maybe today)
Custom Cables for your rotary installation -
http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
kcorr@charter.net wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <kcorr@charter.net>
>
>Jim Weir wrote an article in the latest issue of Kitplanes (Feb '06) about how
to build a marker generator. Looks like a pretty simple unit to build. Can
anyone point me in the right direction on what he is using for the 32kHz clock,
op-amp, and diodes for the marker beacon tone generator? Also, I assume that
the capacitors are ceramic disk and the resistors are 1/4 watt. Any help will
be greatly appreciated.
>
>Kent Orr
>
Jim Weir monitors rec.aviation.homebuilt & answers questions about his
projects on that newsgroup. He's usually pretty quick to answer
questions (just be specific about what you want). Also, there's usually
more complete info on his web site.
Charlie
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
>
>Re corrupted file:
>
>2nd time was the charm. TurboCAD v 7.0 downloaded all the .dwg drawings
>just fine.
>
>Thanks Bob.
>
>John
Thank you! I'm pleased to benefit from data gathered
in your experiment.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS |
Backup...
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
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In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01@rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
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Bob,
Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got a corruption
message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no trouble opening
.dwg's in the past.
John
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS |
Backup EFIS?)
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On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
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>
> If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
> other, (an
> almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
> movement at
> all.
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
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At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
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>
>Bob,
>
>Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
>a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
>trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
making my .zip files self-extracting but this
makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
concerned about.
Try going to this directory:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library
2DIODBLK.DWG is an old symbol originally saved under R14 AutoCAD which
I just opened and re-saved under 2000. The thing jumped from
5K to 25K bytes (ugh!).
The one just below . . . 30SPDTRY.DWG is still in AutoCAD R14.
I'd appreciate it if you'd see how your TCv7.0 handles these
two files.
The Unzip corruption is another issue. I'll poke around on
the 'net and see if we might have a compatibility problem between
releases of PkZip.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie |
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Hi Adam
I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
maintanance facility.
Ken
Adam Molny wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>
>
>I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
>FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
>go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
>ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
>single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
>failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
>
>If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
>it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
>and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
>
>If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
>field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
>the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
>overloading bus B.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Adam Molny
>Legacy #151
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
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I would like one Frank
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
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Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Picture sent.
>
> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Harley
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
> directly...
>
> harley@agelesswings.com
>
> Harley
>
>
> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>
>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>could look
>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>
>>really worth it.
>>
>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>panel...:)
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Harley
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>>Morning, Frank...
>>
>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>
>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>
>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>
>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>
>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>then printing.
>>
>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>
>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>
>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>installed...but easy to do...
>>
>>I Like it!
>>
>>Harley
>>
>>
>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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>>>
>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>
>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>
>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>removable
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>
>>>when printed.
>>>
>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>
>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>
>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>
>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Adel Clamps? |
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Hi Ron
I put a turn or two of self bonding silicone tape such as Spruce pn
09-30450 under the clamps in a few places.
Ken
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>
>I am working on tunnel/undercarriage area of a Europa XS Monowheel. I
>installed Adel clamps on Undercarriage Mounting Frame 1/2" and 3/4" to
>help with routing of wires, cables and hoses.
>
>This is a complicated tight area on airplane.
>
>The problem is if I try not too hard, I can twist clamps to a undesirable
>position, where it would be hard to reposition once the firewall is
>installed. The clamps are of proper size, and the next size down will not
>fit.
>
>Any suggestions how to get the clamps a bit more stuck?
>
>Thx.
>Sincerely
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
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At 07:22 AM 1/7/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>
>Bob,
>The link seems to be dead
That's the old "fat" file. Here's the trimmed file
I posted later:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/0_ACAD_All_Symbols.zip
Also, be aware that the website is getting some much needed attention
for organization and from time to time, files may move to new folders.
You can always go directly to the folder structures by using the site
index at:
http://aeroelectric.com/Downloads.html
and explore the directories from there. In this case, you
go to "Page per System Drawings" and then to "ACAD_Symbols_Library"
that will take to the individual symbols and the .zip file of
all symbols cited above.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
99+ percent of alternator failures is to simply stop
producing for whatever reason . . . including ov trip.
A major fraction of what's left will be cause for manual
shutown . . . voltage unstable? Whatever. It is very unlikely
that any alternator failure will take out the b-lead protection.
It's axiomatic that many problems get worse when the pilot
starts messing with things in some attempt to "get all the
goodies back up and running."
The advantage of a fully dual system is that you spread
your backup systems around. One on main bus, one on aux
bus. The best thing to do when something goes T.U. on one
bus is to simply shut that one down. Go into an endurance
mode until comfortable arrival is assured. Battery on the
cold bus is held in reserve. Battery on working bus is
being supported by normal alternator operations.
When and if anything on the 'cold' bus becomes useful
or necessary in the final phase of flight. Close battery
contactor first and watch for normal battery-only
bus levels. Close crossfeed contactor second while observing both
bus voltages now show normal operational levels. Then
finish the flight.
If any voltages appear out of whack after operation of
a switch, re-open the switch immediately and finish the
flight on one bus . . . but don't do this experiment until
you have the airport in sight.
I think it's useful to think of the various system options
as tools for comfortable termination of flight by insuring
availability of minimum equipment . . . the exercises that
pilots go through to perform in-flight diagnostics and/or
get some suite of equipment up running doesn't
necessarily improve outcome is certainly a distraction
and perhaps hazardous.
Only the more complex aircraft can justify Z-14. While
complexity brings capability and convenience, it also
brings workload. If you're vfr in the clear, then perhaps
a total failure is no big deal. When you are depending on at
least the most useful of things to be working then you're
probably IFR and busy with pilot-things to do. The last
thing you want to do is troubleshoot especially when there
is risk of making a situation worse.
Bob . . .
>Hi Adam
>I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
>alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
>protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
>With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
>diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
>activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
>open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
>crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
>the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
>option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
>circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
>allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
>be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
>sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
>really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
>makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
>option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
>maintanance facility.
>Ken
>
>Adam Molny wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny
> <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>
> >
> >I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
> >FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
> >go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
> >ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
> >single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
> >failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
> >
> >If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
> >it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
> >and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
> >
> >If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
> >field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
> >the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
> >overloading bus B.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Adam Molny
> >Legacy #151
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>
>
>-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Bob . . .
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Re corrupted file:
2nd time was the charm. TurboCAD v 7.0 downloaded all the .dwg drawings just fine.
Thanks Bob.
John
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Me too, please Frank.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
>
> I would like one Frank
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser # 4045
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>> (Corvallis)"
>> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>> Picture sent.
>>
>> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Harley
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
>> directly...
>>
>> harley@agelesswings.com
>>
>> Harley
>>
>>
>> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>>
>>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>>could look
>>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>>
>>>really worth it.
>>>
>>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>>panel...:)
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Harley
>>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>>
>>>Morning, Frank...
>>>
>>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>>
>>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>>
>>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>>
>>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>>
>>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>>then printing.
>>>
>>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>>
>>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>>
>>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>>installed...but easy to do...
>>>
>>>I Like it!
>>>
>>>Harley
>>>
>>>
>>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>>
>>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>>
>>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>>removable
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>>
>>>>when printed.
>>>>
>>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>>the
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>>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>>
>>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>>
>>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>>
>>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>>
>>>>Frank
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In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:58:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
I am not enjoying any of the pettyness and self-centeredness associated with
this thread, but I think the following obituary sheds some light on what may
be accomplished, technically and otherwise, by a non degreed person:
I whole heartedly agree with you, O.C.! I have met some wonderful genius
non degreed engineers in my lifetime (wish I could have met Orville and
Wilbur!). It is too bad that many degreed engineers use that degree as a pedigree
or as a license to be rude and unkind. In the military, a man can be
commissioned to be an officer and a gentleman but, it is up to him to be that
gentleman.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
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Yes I do. Must be some kind of virus on the list.
CT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Rich -
Here's an RS-232 receiver (level shifter) that'll do what you're looking
for:
http://www.futurlec.com/Linear/75189.shtml
However, with a Google or two I bet you'll uncover a few robotics folks
that have already generated a plug-n-play solution for BS2 serial comm.
D
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Richard Hughes wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
>
> My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
>
> Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a
> resistor and 9 diodes. If you have the time to wait
> for shipping get the RST item in the link.
> (http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
>
> It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
> A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
>
> This allowed my partner and myself to remove the
> encoder and altimiter, using a hand pump calibrate the
> encoder on the dining room table instead of in the
> cold.
>
> Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is
> interested http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
>
> I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read
> the lines and display them on a serial LCD. The
> question is the interface.
>
> When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a
> line has a one value it goes to ground. Could I just
> put diodes on the lines and check each pin for when it
> goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a
> seperate chip to detect the voltage that can handle up
> to 12 volts?
>
> The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd
> display while in flight and providing mode C to the
> transponder.
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
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warning, AeroElectric-List
I'll bet you can find schematics for those in Popular Electronics going
back to the mid 1930's.
Dave Morris
At 09:53 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
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>
>The buzzer idea sounds great! Lights and other devices fed by the always
>hot battery bus will empty the battery one day if that bus is not
>supervised by an intelligent warning system. Any specialist in
>electronics out there who is able and willing to invent and build such a
>warning (buzzer) system?
>
>Alfred
>
>
>-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Ken
>Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Januar 2006 18:50
>An: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com.AeroElectric-List
>Betreff: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check lists, Was: Master switch warning,
>AeroElectric-List
>
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
>
>A universal solution might be a buzzer that detects when more than a few
>
>ma of current is flowing out of the battery. I'll think about it but I
>don't think I know a simple way to do that such that it draws no standby
>
>current, and doesn't add failure points to the original aircraft wiring
>
>Ken
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>
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At 09:53 PM 1/8/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)"
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>Bob,
>
>The warning for main and e-bus is installed as you suggest. However
>there is also the always hot battery bus, which feeds the clock in the
>MicoMonitor (some few milliamps) and the cabin lights (condiserably more
>power). If these lights are left on - it shouldn't happen, but it will
>some day - then the battery will be emptied. Thus the idea of a buzzer
>that alerts me if the battery bus distributes more than some few
>milliamps. Is this a better explanation of the (not so important)
>problem?
Understand. Utility items like courtesy lights can
be fitted with on-limit timers. We have these on
some of our bizjets for baggage compartment lights.
More than one important trip was delayed or canceled
because of a light being left on and the battery was
completely flat at pre-flight.
Very light draws you mentioned are continuous,
necessary and generally tolerated if the airplane
is flown often enough. If stored for long periods
of time, disconnecting the battery or installing
a maintainer jack seems useful.
We'll have a programmable on-limit timer in the
new bevy of products coming to aeroelectric.com
Our first two new products are nearing the field
testing phase. I'll see if we can do the on-limit
timer as project #3.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Tim,
Thanks for the files. I will have to strip my sub-panels and repaint
with smooth paint though. Final result will be worth it.
Thanks,
Mark S.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
think for most things. I would be happy to share my original
files with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the
company that did my screens couldn't read a visio file, so
I think I either sent them a word doc with the drawing in it, or
I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them available for
your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time
if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Mark R Steitle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
<mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
I
> know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
> you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
> of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
> I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
> the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
> worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
> for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
> hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
> made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
> screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
> pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
> a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close
> together but still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
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Backup...
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Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01@rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
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As the sample below indicates I am still receiving many duplicate massages
after others have reported a fix is in place.
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was:
EFIS Backup...
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> Great Information Kevin,
>
>
> I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
> scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
>
> The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
> several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your
> comment?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> khorton01@rogers.com writes:
>
> Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
> spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
> attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
> rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
> showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
> do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
> ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
>
> The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
> inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
> roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
> direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
> probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
> unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
> which rudder you need to push.
>
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In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:58:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
I am not enjoying any of the pettyness and self-centeredness associated with
this thread, but I think the following obituary sheds some light on what may
be accomplished, technically and otherwise, by a non degreed person:
I whole heartedly agree with you, O.C.! I have met some wonderful genius
non degreed engineers in my lifetime (wish I could have met Orville and
Wilbur!). It is too bad that many degreed engineers use that degree as a pedigree
or as a license to be rude and unkind. In the military, a man can be
commissioned to be an officer and a gentleman but, it is up to him to be that
gentleman.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerry@mc.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerry@mc.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerry@mc.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
I agree ... some 4-5 times all from aeroelectric-list.
Jerry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
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Yes I do. Must be some kind of virus on the list.
CT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
Yes Dan,
I'm getting the same thing.
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
Do not achcive
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
writes:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
> <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
> the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wschertz@ispwest.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
I would like one Frank
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Picture sent.
>
> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Harley
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
> directly...
>
> harley@agelesswings.com
>
> Harley
>
>
> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>
>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>could look
>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>
>>really worth it.
>>
>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>panel...:)
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Harley
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>>Morning, Frank...
>>
>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>
>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>
>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>
>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>
>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>then printing.
>>
>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>
>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>
>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>installed...but easy to do...
>>
>>I Like it!
>>
>>Harley
>>
>>
>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>
>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>
>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>removable
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>
>>>when printed.
>>>
>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>
>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>
>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>
>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
I know this is a dumb question, but I think it would be dummer for me not to
ask: In order for it to fit in what I believe to be the best location, I
need to shorten my ELT antenna from 21 inches to 19-3/8 inches. Will that
adversely affect performance? Another location will be very difficult. Can
anyone suggest another solution?
Thanks,
Grant
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hi Aeroelectric Listers,
I'm aware of the duplicate message problem and am trying to figure out what's going
on.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
>
>Re corrupted file:
>
>2nd time was the charm. TurboCAD v 7.0 downloaded all the .dwg drawings
>just fine.
>
>Thanks Bob.
>
>John
Thank you! I'm pleased to benefit from data gathered
in your experiment.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
>a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
>trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
making my .zip files self-extracting but this
makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
concerned about.
Try going to this directory:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library
2DIODBLK.DWG is an old symbol originally saved under R14 AutoCAD which
I just opened and re-saved under 2000. The thing jumped from
5K to 25K bytes (ugh!).
The one just below . . . 30SPDTRY.DWG is still in AutoCAD R14.
I'd appreciate it if you'd see how your TCv7.0 handles these
two files.
The Unzip corruption is another issue. I'll poke around on
the 'net and see if we might have a compatibility problem between
releases of PkZip.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: bob@bob-white.com
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:09:22 -0600
"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
> >
> >Bob,
> >
> >Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
> >a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
> >trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
>
> Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
> I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
> for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
> making my .zip files self-extracting but this
> makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
> concerned about.
>
Besides us Linux guys don't appreciate .exe files at all. I checked a
few of the DWG files from the first link you posted and they open with
VariCAD after I changed all the extensions to lower case.
Bob W.
--
http://www.bob-white.com
N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (Projected engine start - maybe today)
Custom Cables for your rotary installation -
http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rvbuilder@sausen.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rvbuilder@sausen.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I let Matt know about it yesterday. Looks like he already fixed it as I haven't
seen anything new since then.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three copies of some
messages that I've already seen twice or more.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring
story rather than the story that is less enduring."
-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | Re: Battery maintainer |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:12 AM 12/24/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
><rtmarshall@osb.net>
>
>Hi Bob and aeroelectric people, a question! What was the final opinion of
>the group on which battery maintainer seem to work the best on the lead
>sponge batteries. thanks much and BTW Merry Xmas to all, Bob
I don't think there was ever a consensus for a "golden"
battery maintainer. I've tested several Battery Tender
and Schumacher (Wall Mart and others) products and found
that they meet their advertising sales literature and
do indeed offer battery charging and maintaining functions
superior to similar products offered a few years ago. I
have some samples from Soneil which I tested several
months ago. I couldn't get them to do the advertised
"desulfating pulse-charge". I've had some limited
conversation with them since and had planned to visit
their facility as a side trip on our visit to Canada
for a weekend seminar late last year. The visit didn't
work out and further examination of Soneil's products
are on the back burner for the moment.
In the mean time, go to Wall Mart or perhaps Ebay
(Item number: 4601687546) and get a perfectly
adequate charger/maintainer for little more than
pocket change.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
My transponder will do this (Garmin GTX 327). Is there any display on yours?
Also some encoders also spit out RS232. That might be easier to connect to
the PIC.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Hughes
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind encoder Display
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes
--> <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a resistor and 9
diodes. If you have the time to wait for shipping get the RST item in the
link.
(http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
This allowed my partner and myself to remove the encoder and altimiter,
using a hand pump calibrate the encoder on the dining room table instead of
in the cold.
Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is interested
http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read the lines and display
them on a serial LCD. The question is the interface.
When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a line has a one value
it goes to ground. Could I just put diodes on the lines and check each pin
for when it goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a seperate
chip to detect the voltage that can handle up to 12 volts?
The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd display while in
flight and providing mode C to the transponder.
-Rich
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jonlaury@impulse.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
Re corrupted file:
2nd time was the charm. TurboCAD v 7.0 downloaded all the .dwg drawings just fine.
Thanks Bob.
John
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| Subject: | Re: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was: EFIS |
Backup EFIS?)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: khorton01@rogers.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: khorton01@rogers.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
> If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
> other, (an
> almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
> movement at
> all.
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Labels |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wrmaxwell@bigpond.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wrmaxwell@bigpond.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: wrmaxwell@bigpond.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Maxwell" <wrmaxwell@bigpond.com>
Me too, please Frank.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William" <wschertz@ispwest.com>
>
> I would like one Frank
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser # 4045
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>> (Corvallis)"
>> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>> Picture sent.
>>
>> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Harley
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
>> directly...
>>
>> harley@agelesswings.com
>>
>> Harley
>>
>>
>> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>>
>>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>>could look
>>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>>
>>>really worth it.
>>>
>>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>>panel...:)
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Harley
>>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>>
>>>Morning, Frank...
>>>
>>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>>
>>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>>
>>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>>
>>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>>
>>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>>then printing.
>>>
>>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>>
>>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>>
>>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>>installed...but easy to do...
>>>
>>>I Like it!
>>>
>>>Harley
>>>
>>>
>>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>>
>>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>>
>>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>>
>>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>>removable
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>>
>>>>when printed.
>>>>
>>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>>
>>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>>
>>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>>
>>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>>
>>>>Frank
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Symbols library |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jonlaury@impulse.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jonlaury@impulse.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jonlaury@impulse.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
Bob,
Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got a corruption
message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no trouble opening
.dwg's in the past.
John
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| Subject: | Re: corvair list |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
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Thanks
RayJ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Morris "BigD"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\""
> <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
> http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
>
> Dave Morris
> www.N75UP.com
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>>Craig,
>>
>>Please post the location of the corvair list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>RayJ
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> > <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> >
>> > The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>> >
>> > http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>> >
>> > Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> > list
>> > last night.
>> >
>> > -- Craig
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> > Denton
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> > --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>> >
>> > This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> > wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> > astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> > simply
>> > used pencils.
>> >
>> > Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>> >
>> > 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>> >
>> > 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> > Prather
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> > --> <mprather@spro.net>
>> >
>> > Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>> >
>> > If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the
>> > strobe
>> > on
>> > would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery
>> > down)..
>> >
>> > An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> > little
>> > combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> > master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> > open
>> > while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> > but
>> > not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> > airplane
>> > after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>> >
>> > Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> > aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> > night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a
>> > defeat
>> > switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> > the
>> > master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> > maybe?
>> > Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>> >
>> > If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these
>> > could
>> > be
>> > illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> > annoying
>> > to be around.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Matt-
>> >
>> >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>> >> <skywagon@charter.net>
>> >>
>> >> Bob,
>> >> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>> >> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>> >> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>> >> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>> >>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>> >>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>> >>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a
>> >>> while.
>> >>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>> >>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>> >>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>> >>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt .
>> >>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped.
>> >>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>> >>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>> >>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>> >>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in
>> >>> advance
>> >>> Bob Noffs
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Thanks,
RayJ
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> You can subscribe at http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft and/or search
> the archives (good to do before posting a question that has been asked
> before). The archives are at http://mylist.net/archives/corvaircraft/.
>
> William Wynne actually is the Corvair-in aircraft expert, having invested
> 12
> years of his life into this. His site is at www.flycorvair.com. To search
> William's site (not the e-mail list's archive):
> www.davemorris.com/SearchFlyCorvair.cfm
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of _
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Craig,
>
> Please post the location of the corvair list.
>
> Thanks,
> RayJ
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>>
>> Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> list
>> last night.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Denton
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>
>> This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> simply
>> used pencils.
>>
>> Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>>
>> 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>>
>> 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> Prather
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> --> <mprather@spro.net>
>>
>> Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>>
>> If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the strobe
>> on
>> would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery down)..
>>
>> An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> little
>> combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> open
>> while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> but
>> not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> airplane
>> after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>>
>> Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a defeat
>> switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> the
>> master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> maybe?
>> Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>>
>> If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these could
>> be
>> illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> annoying
>> to be around.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matt-
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>>> <skywagon@charter.net>
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>>> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>>> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>>> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>>>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>>>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>>>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a while.
>>>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>>>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>>>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>>>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt
>>>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped
>>>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>>>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>>>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>>>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in advance
>>>> Bob Noffs
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: nuckollsr@cox.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
99+ percent of alternator failures is to simply stop
producing for whatever reason . . . including ov trip.
A major fraction of what's left will be cause for manual
shutown . . . voltage unstable? Whatever. It is very unlikely
that any alternator failure will take out the b-lead protection.
It's axiomatic that many problems get worse when the pilot
starts messing with things in some attempt to "get all the
goodies back up and running."
The advantage of a fully dual system is that you spread
your backup systems around. One on main bus, one on aux
bus. The best thing to do when something goes T.U. on one
bus is to simply shut that one down. Go into an endurance
mode until comfortable arrival is assured. Battery on the
cold bus is held in reserve. Battery on working bus is
being supported by normal alternator operations.
When and if anything on the 'cold' bus becomes useful
or necessary in the final phase of flight. Close battery
contactor first and watch for normal battery-only
bus levels. Close crossfeed contactor second while observing both
bus voltages now show normal operational levels. Then
finish the flight.
If any voltages appear out of whack after operation of
a switch, re-open the switch immediately and finish the
flight on one bus . . . but don't do this experiment until
you have the airport in sight.
I think it's useful to think of the various system options
as tools for comfortable termination of flight by insuring
availability of minimum equipment . . . the exercises that
pilots go through to perform in-flight diagnostics and/or
get some suite of equipment up running doesn't
necessarily improve outcome is certainly a distraction
and perhaps hazardous.
Only the more complex aircraft can justify Z-14. While
complexity brings capability and convenience, it also
brings workload. If you're vfr in the clear, then perhaps
a total failure is no big deal. When you are depending on at
least the most useful of things to be working then you're
probably IFR and busy with pilot-things to do. The last
thing you want to do is troubleshoot especially when there
is risk of making a situation worse.
Bob . . .
>Hi Adam
>I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
>alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
>protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
>With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
>diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
>activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
>open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
>crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
>the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
>option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
>circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
>allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
>be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
>sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
>really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
>makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
>option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
>maintanance facility.
>Ken
>
>Adam Molny wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny
> <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>
> >
> >I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
> >FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
> >go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
> >ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
> >single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
> >failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
> >
> >If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
> >it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
> >and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
> >
> >If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
> >field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
> >the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
> >overloading bus B.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Adam Molny
> >Legacy #151
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>
>
>-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
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< of man. Advances which permit this norm to be >
< exceeded -- here and there, now and then -- are the >
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< despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed >
< by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny >
< minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes >
< happens) is driven out of a society, the people >
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Might as well add my two cents as long as the rest of the Rochester area
has chimed in! <G>
I was getting them for awhile this weekend as well...but it looks like
it's back to normal now...guess Matt figured it out.
Harley Dixon
Larry Mac Donald wrote:
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>
>Yes Dan,
> I'm getting the same thing.
>Larry Mac Donald
>lm4@juno.com
>Rochester N.Y.
>Do not achcive
>
>
>On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>writes:
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
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>>
>>Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>>Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>>copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>>
>>--
>>Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>>"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
>>the
>>more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
>>-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:22 AM 1/7/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Laurence"
><PLaurence@the-beach.net>
>
>
>Bob,
>The link seems to be dead
That's the old "fat" file. Here's the trimmed file
I posted later:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/0_ACAD_All_Symbols.zip
Also, be aware that the website is getting some much needed attention
for organization and from time to time, files may move to new folders.
You can always go directly to the folder structures by using the site
index at:
http://aeroelectric.com/Downloads.html
and explore the directories from there. In this case, you
go to "Page per System Drawings" and then to "ACAD_Symbols_Library"
that will take to the individual symbols and the .zip file of
all symbols cited above.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z14 Failure Modes and the Cross-Tie |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Hi Adam
I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
maintanance facility.
Ken
Adam Molny wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>
>
>I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
>FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
>go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
>ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
>single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
>failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
>
>If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
>it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
>and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
>
>If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
>field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
>the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
>overloading bus B.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Adam Molny
>Legacy #151
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes Marker Generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
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kcorr@charter.net wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <kcorr@charter.net>
>
>Jim Weir wrote an article in the latest issue of Kitplanes (Feb '06) about how
to build a marker generator. Looks like a pretty simple unit to build. Can
anyone point me in the right direction on what he is using for the 32kHz clock,
op-amp, and diodes for the marker beacon tone generator? Also, I assume that
the capacitors are ceramic disk and the resistors are 1/4 watt. Any help will
be greatly appreciated.
>
>Kent Orr
>
Jim Weir monitors rec.aviation.homebuilt & answers questions about his
projects on that newsgroup. He's usually pretty quick to answer
questions (just be specific about what you want). Also, there's usually
more complete info on his web site.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Adel Clamps? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Hi Ron
I put a turn or two of self bonding silicone tape such as Spruce pn
09-30450 under the clamps in a few places.
Ken
rparigor@SUFFOLK.LIB.NY.US wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>I am working on tunnel/undercarriage area of a Europa XS Monowheel. I
>installed Adel clamps on Undercarriage Mounting Frame 1/2" and 3/4" to
>help with routing of wires, cables and hoses.
>
>This is a complicated tight area on airplane.
>
>The problem is if I try not too hard, I can twist clamps to a undesirable
>position, where it would be hard to reposition once the firewall is
>installed. The clamps are of proper size, and the next size down will not
>fit.
>
>Any suggestions how to get the clamps a bit more stuck?
>
>Thx.
>Sincerely
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
WOW....the duplicate messages are starting to breed like rats.
I am wondering if there is not a "loop" going on in Matt's system or the
message is going to someone on the List that has a virus and gets sent back
immediately to the server for another loop.......
D
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo"
> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>
> Yes I do. Must be some kind of virus on the list.
>
> CT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>>
>> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
>> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
>> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>>
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| Subject: | Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I think he is asking about the grey coded parallel interface with a 12 volt
swing.
-- Craig
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D Wysong
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Blind encoder Display
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Rich -
Here's an RS-232 receiver (level shifter) that'll do what you're looking
for:
http://www.futurlec.com/Linear/75189.shtml
However, with a Google or two I bet you'll uncover a few robotics folks that
have already generated a plug-n-play solution for BS2 serial comm.
D
-----------------------
Richard Hughes wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes
> --> <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
>
> My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
>
> Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a resistor and 9
> diodes. If you have the time to wait for shipping get the RST item in
> the link.
> (http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
>
> It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
> A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
>
> This allowed my partner and myself to remove the encoder and
> altimiter, using a hand pump calibrate the encoder on the dining room
> table instead of in the cold.
>
> Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is interested
> http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
>
> I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read the lines and
> display them on a serial LCD. The question is the interface.
>
> When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a line has a one
> value it goes to ground. Could I just put diodes on the lines and
> check each pin for when it goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device.
> Do I need a seperate chip to detect the voltage that can handle up to
> 12 volts?
>
> The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd display while
> in flight and providing mode C to the transponder.
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Symbols library |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
Per my previous response, on the 2nd try, the symbols library file unzipped just
fine.
I dragged both symbols, 2DIOBLK.DWG and 30SPDTRY.DWG, into a drawing and they manipulate
fine with TurboCAD v 7.0 .
John
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| Subject: | Re: Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
The ACK encoder I have does Gray code only.
The King KT76A does not display altitude. :(
I was thinking about opto isolators although the Texas
Instruments 75189 looks good, I would need 3 to do all
9 lines, but I would need 9 opto isolators.
-Rich
Just $16.99/mo. or less.
dsl.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Duplicates Solved... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
AeroElectric Lister,
Looks like the following email address on the AeroElectric-List was the culprit:
yamokosk@lakemichigancollege.edu
Interestingly, this is a community college in Lake Michigan.
They were sending duplicates of messages back to the list with all the original
headers, so it looked like it kept coming from the original people.
I'm suspecting this might be some sort of automated message archiver that is misconfigured.
I've unsubscribed the address from the List and sent them an email.
Things should be back to normal now!
Matt Dralle
List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
Congrats...Matt for chasing down the mystery link that was looping this
List.
David
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicates Solved...
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> AeroElectric Lister,
>
> Looks like the following email address on the AeroElectric-List was the
> culprit:
>
> yamokosk@lakemichigancollege.edu
>
> Interestingly, this is a community college in Lake Michigan.
>
> They were sending duplicates of messages back to the list with all the
> original headers, so it looked like it kept coming from the original
> people.
>
> I'm suspecting this might be some sort of automated message archiver that
> is misconfigured.
>
> I've unsubscribed the address from the List and sent them an email.
>
> Things should be back to normal now!
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
Rich,
I am not familiar with the ACK unit.
Is it adjustable, and is the adjustment linear over the total altitude range
once you have made the new calibration?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Blind encoder Display
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: craig@craigandjean.com
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> My transponder will do this (Garmin GTX 327). Is there any display on
> yours?
> Also some encoders also spit out RS232. That might be easier to connect to
> the PIC.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Hughes
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Blind encoder Display
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes
> --> <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
>
> My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
>
> Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a resistor and 9
> diodes. If you have the time to wait for shipping get the RST item in the
> link.
> (http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
>
> It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
> A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
>
> This allowed my partner and myself to remove the encoder and altimiter,
> using a hand pump calibrate the encoder on the dining room table instead
> of
> in the cold.
>
> Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is interested
> http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
>
> I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read the lines and
> display
> them on a serial LCD. The question is the interface.
>
> When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a line has a one
> value
> it goes to ground. Could I just put diodes on the lines and check each pin
> for when it goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a
> seperate
> chip to detect the voltage that can handle up to 12 volts?
>
> The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd display while in
> flight and providing mode C to the transponder.
>
> -Rich
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
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warning, AeroElectric-List
I'll bet you can find schematics for those in Popular Electronics going
back to the mid 1930's.
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>The buzzer idea sounds great! Lights and other devices fed by the always
>hot battery bus will empty the battery one day if that bus is not
>supervised by an intelligent warning system. Any specialist in
>electronics out there who is able and willing to invent and build such a
>warning (buzzer) system?
>
>Alfred
>
>
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>Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Januar 2006 18:50
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>AeroElectric-List
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>
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>A universal solution might be a buzzer that detects when more than a few
>
>ma of current is flowing out of the battery. I'll think about it but I
>don't think I know a simple way to do that such that it draws no standby
>
>current, and doesn't add failure points to the original aircraft wiring
>
>Ken
>
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>Bob,
>
>The warning for main and e-bus is installed as you suggest. However
>there is also the always hot battery bus, which feeds the clock in the
>MicoMonitor (some few milliamps) and the cabin lights (condiserably more
>power). If these lights are left on - it shouldn't happen, but it will
>some day - then the battery will be emptied. Thus the idea of a buzzer
>that alerts me if the battery bus distributes more than some few
>milliamps. Is this a better explanation of the (not so important)
>problem?
Understand. Utility items like courtesy lights can
be fitted with on-limit timers. We have these on
some of our bizjets for baggage compartment lights.
More than one important trip was delayed or canceled
because of a light being left on and the battery was
completely flat at pre-flight.
Very light draws you mentioned are continuous,
necessary and generally tolerated if the airplane
is flown often enough. If stored for long periods
of time, disconnecting the battery or installing
a maintainer jack seems useful.
We'll have a programmable on-limit timer in the
new bevy of products coming to aeroelectric.com
Our first two new products are nearing the field
testing phase. I'll see if we can do the on-limit
timer as project #3.
Bob . . .
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In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:58:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
I am not enjoying any of the pettyness and self-centeredness associated with
this thread, but I think the following obituary sheds some light on what may
be accomplished, technically and otherwise, by a non degreed person:
I whole heartedly agree with you, O.C.! I have met some wonderful genius
non degreed engineers in my lifetime (wish I could have met Orville and
Wilbur!). It is too bad that many degreed engineers use that degree as a pedigree
or as a license to be rude and unkind. In the military, a man can be
commissioned to be an officer and a gentleman but, it is up to him to be that
gentleman.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
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Hi Adam
I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
maintanance facility.
Ken
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>I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
>FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
>go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
>ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
>single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
>failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
>
>If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
>it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
>and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
>
>If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
>field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
>the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
>overloading bus B.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Adam Molny
>Legacy #151
>
>
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99+ percent of alternator failures is to simply stop
producing for whatever reason . . . including ov trip.
A major fraction of what's left will be cause for manual
shutown . . . voltage unstable? Whatever. It is very unlikely
that any alternator failure will take out the b-lead protection.
It's axiomatic that many problems get worse when the pilot
starts messing with things in some attempt to "get all the
goodies back up and running."
The advantage of a fully dual system is that you spread
your backup systems around. One on main bus, one on aux
bus. The best thing to do when something goes T.U. on one
bus is to simply shut that one down. Go into an endurance
mode until comfortable arrival is assured. Battery on the
cold bus is held in reserve. Battery on working bus is
being supported by normal alternator operations.
When and if anything on the 'cold' bus becomes useful
or necessary in the final phase of flight. Close battery
contactor first and watch for normal battery-only
bus levels. Close crossfeed contactor second while observing both
bus voltages now show normal operational levels. Then
finish the flight.
If any voltages appear out of whack after operation of
a switch, re-open the switch immediately and finish the
flight on one bus . . . but don't do this experiment until
you have the airport in sight.
I think it's useful to think of the various system options
as tools for comfortable termination of flight by insuring
availability of minimum equipment . . . the exercises that
pilots go through to perform in-flight diagnostics and/or
get some suite of equipment up running doesn't
necessarily improve outcome is certainly a distraction
and perhaps hazardous.
Only the more complex aircraft can justify Z-14. While
complexity brings capability and convenience, it also
brings workload. If you're vfr in the clear, then perhaps
a total failure is no big deal. When you are depending on at
least the most useful of things to be working then you're
probably IFR and busy with pilot-things to do. The last
thing you want to do is troubleshoot especially when there
is risk of making a situation worse.
Bob . . .
>Hi Adam
>I figure the most likely reason to close the crossfeed is when one
>alternator simply stops producing power or has been shutdown by the OV
>protection. Bus voltage will be nominal battery voltage in such a case.
>With a contactor on the output of an IR regulator even the stator and
>diodes are out of the circuit when I shut down an alternator or the OVP
>activates but I'd expect the alternator fuse/breaker/ANL to already be
>open anyway in that case. I agree that it might be unwise to close the
>crossfeed if immediately after the low voltage warning you observe that
>the voltage is below normal battery voltage but then again you have the
>option if you need the equipment and think maybe you've got a open
>circuited or disconnected battery (or open master contactor) that has
>allowed a subsequent OV excursion and alternator shutdown. Plan A would
>be to leave it alone til on the ground if I don't need it. Any smoke or
>sparks would definately keep my finger away from the crossfeed. There
>really isn't much of a "bus" on a small airplane with fuse blocks which
>makes it very difficult to imagine a shorted bus. Z-14 also gives the
>option of conducting a single alternator recovery flight home or to a
>maintanance facility.
>Ken
>
>Adam Molny wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Adam Molny
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> >
> >I'm laying out the electrical system for my all-glass, all-electric,
> >FADEC-powered Lancair Legacy. The Z-14 system seems like the natural way to
> >go, using two full-size alternators. It would be very attractive to have the
> >ability to power both the A and B buses and recharge both batteries from a
> >single alternator when needed. However, I'm having trouble imagining a
> >failure mode where the cross-tie could be used in flight.
> >
> >If the Bus A alternator's field breaker trips in flight (for example), would
> >it be safe to engage the cross-tie? You don't know what caused the failure,
> >and tying the A and B buses together could knock out the B bus.
> >
> >If you get a low voltage warning on bus A, do you pull the corresponding
> >field breaker and engage the cross-tie? Again, if something is shorting out
> >the bus (such as shorted windings on the alternator), you are in danger of
> >overloading bus B.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Adam Molny
> >Legacy #151
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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Grant,
If you were able to add a "loading" coil to the antenna correctly, this
would allow you to shorten the current antenna. You would need a guru type
friend that knew antennas to accomplish this for you. However, I would bet
that a search of the web via Google would find a manufacturer that makes the
"loaded" antennas for the frequency that you need.
David
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna Length
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>
> I know this is a dumb question, but I think it would be dummer for me not
> to
> ask: In order for it to fit in what I believe to be the best location, I
> need to shorten my ELT antenna from 21 inches to 19-3/8 inches. Will that
> adversely affect performance? Another location will be very difficult.
> Can
> anyone suggest another solution?
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
>
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Does anyone here have this info tucked away somewhere?
Thanks,
D
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FWIW...
We bought a nice RV6a with an EXBUS in it, and has worked fine for 400+
hours. The builder had to add a few switches though, to make things work.
However, everything Bob says is true about it IMO, and I am wiring my "Garage
Queen"
-6a per Z-11. This has already given me more flexibility with 2x10 fuse
blocks, switches that I can swap around at will, and many more benefits. The
EXBUS pretty much locks you in for architecture, may be o.k. for those who don't
care to deal at all with electrons. For me, it has been the most enjoyable
part of the project so far. I do believe the Subaru conversions, at least
Eggenfellner, require it, don't they?
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Time: 10:40:00 AM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: exp-bus
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At 09:42 AM 1/8/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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>
> As a side note Bob has a low opinion of this product:
>
>Yes he does. But I have one in a 6A and it is doing very well. Have never
>had one problem with it. TT on unit/aircraft is 85 hours.
>Dale Ensing
This is a VERY short comment on a LONG story that
does not explain . . . Folks interested in the
REST OF THE STORY are invited to read:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/expbusad.html
and
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/expbusthd.html
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:09:22 -0600
"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> wrote:
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>
> At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
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> >
> >Bob,
> >
> >Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
> >a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
> >trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
>
> Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
> I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
> for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
> making my .zip files self-extracting but this
> makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
> concerned about.
>
Besides us Linux guys don't appreciate .exe files at all. I checked a
few of the DWG files from the first link you posted and they open with
VariCAD after I changed all the extensions to lower case.
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In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:58:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
I am not enjoying any of the pettyness and self-centeredness associated with
this thread, but I think the following obituary sheds some light on what may
be accomplished, technically and otherwise, by a non degreed person:
I whole heartedly agree with you, O.C.! I have met some wonderful genius
non degreed engineers in my lifetime (wish I could have met Orville and
Wilbur!). It is too bad that many degreed engineers use that degree as a pedigree
or as a license to be rude and unkind. In the military, a man can be
commissioned to be an officer and a gentleman but, it is up to him to be that
gentleman.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
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At 08:20 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:
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>
>Bob,
>
>Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got
>a corruption message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no
>trouble opening .dwg's in the past.
Hmmmm . . . I have a recent version of PKZIP.
I wonder if there are any compatibility problems
for un-zipping with older releases. I've considered
making my .zip files self-extracting but this
makes them .exe files which many folks are understandably
concerned about.
Try going to this directory:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library
2DIODBLK.DWG is an old symbol originally saved under R14 AutoCAD which
I just opened and re-saved under 2000. The thing jumped from
5K to 25K bytes (ugh!).
The one just below . . . 30SPDTRY.DWG is still in AutoCAD R14.
I'd appreciate it if you'd see how your TCv7.0 handles these
two files.
The Unzip corruption is another issue. I'll poke around on
the 'net and see if we might have a compatibility problem between
releases of PkZip.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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At 07:22 AM 1/7/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>
>Bob,
>The link seems to be dead
That's the old "fat" file. Here's the trimmed file
I posted later:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ACAD_Symbols_Library/0_ACAD_All_Symbols.zip
Also, be aware that the website is getting some much needed attention
for organization and from time to time, files may move to new folders.
You can always go directly to the folder structures by using the site
index at:
http://aeroelectric.com/Downloads.html
and explore the directories from there. In this case, you
go to "Page per System Drawings" and then to "ACAD_Symbols_Library"
that will take to the individual symbols and the .zip file of
all symbols cited above.
Bob . . .
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Bob,
Didn't get a chance to see if TC v 7.0 would open the libray because I got a corruption
message when I tried to unzip the symbol file. I've had no trouble opening
.dwg's in the past.
John
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Backup...
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jjewell@telus.net
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As the sample below indicates I am still receiving many duplicate massages
after others have reported a fix is in place.
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was:
EFIS Backup...
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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>
> Great Information Kevin,
>
>
> I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
> scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
>
> The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
> several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your
> comment?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> khorton01@rogers.com writes:
>
> Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
> spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
> attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
> rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
> showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
> do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
> ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
>
> The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
> inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
> roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
> direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
> probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
> unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
> which rudder you need to push.
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jonlaury@impulse.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Burnaby" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
Per my previous response, on the 2nd try, the symbols library file unzipped just
fine.
I dragged both symbols, 2DIOBLK.DWG and 30SPDTRY.DWG, into a drawing and they manipulate
fine with TurboCAD v 7.0 .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
Tim,
Thanks for the files. I will have to strip my sub-panels and repaint
with smooth paint though. Final result will be worth it.
Thanks,
Mark S.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
think for most things. I would be happy to share my original
files with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the
company that did my screens couldn't read a visio file, so
I think I either sent them a word doc with the drawing in it, or
I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them available for
your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time
if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Mark R Steitle wrote:
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<mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
> try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday.
I
> know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
> you use?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Mark,
> Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
> of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
> I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
> I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
> it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
> keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
> the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
> worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
> for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
> hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
> If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
> made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
> screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
> pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
> a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
>
> Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
> Then you can have different things on your screen close
> together but still not screen them.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> Current section: Panel Wiring
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
Yes Dan,
I'm getting the same thing.
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
writes:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
> <dan@familybrown.org>
>
> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>
> --
> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
> the
> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: harley@AgelessWings.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: harley@AgelessWings.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Might as well add my two cents as long as the rest of the Rochester area
has chimed in! <G>
I was getting them for awhile this weekend as well...but it looks like
it's back to normal now...guess Matt figured it out.
Harley Dixon
Larry Mac Donald wrote:
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>
>Yes Dan,
> I'm getting the same thing.
>Larry Mac Donald
>lm4@juno.com
>Rochester N.Y.
>Do not achcive
>
>
>On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>writes:
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown
>><dan@familybrown.org>
>>
>>Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>>Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>>copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>>
>>--
>>Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>>"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy
>>the
>>more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
>>-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: skywagon@charter.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charternet>
WOW....the duplicate messages are starting to breed like rats.
I am wondering if there is not a "loop" going on in Matt's system or the
message is going to someone on the List that has a virus and gets sent back
immediately to the server for another loop.......
D
----- Original Message -----
From: <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: trigo@mail.telepac.pt
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo"
> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
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> Yes I do. Must be some kind of virus on the list.
>
> CT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Duplicate messages?
>
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>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
>>
>> Is anybody else seeing messages posted multiple times to the list?
>> Looking through the list mail this morning, I'm seeing two or three
>> copies of some messages that I've already seen twice or more.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
>> "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
>> more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
>> -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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I would like one Frank
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
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> Picture sent.
>
> If anyone else wants one please let me know.
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Harley
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
> --> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
> Do you have a picture, Frank? If it's a bit big, you can email it to me
> directly...
>
> harley@agelesswings.com
>
> Harley
>
>
> Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>>Yes I did this on my zodiac some 6.5 years ago and the labels still
>>look great...This time I did a bit more with blue borders around every
>>label (last time I did not use borders on all switches and simply cut a
>
>>whole strip off the sheet and stuck it on the panel...Its oK but it
>>could look
>>better.) It takes a bit of work cutting around all the labels but it is
>
>>really worth it.
>>
>>It really does look hot, blue bordered labels on a white
>>panel...Evryone goes a little weak at the knees when they look at my
>>panel...:)
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Harley
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument Panel Labels
>>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
>>
>>Morning, Frank...
>>
>>I like this idea...a lot.
>>
>>The reason it appeals to me more than some of the other ideas I've seen
>
>>here, is that I have already laid out my panel in Visual Cadd, and have
>
>>reserved a layer for the labeling. When I'm ready to print the labels,
>
>>I only have to print the layer with the labeling on it...and printing
>>directly to the Avery clear, sticky backed labels is easy by just
>>moving the full size cadd drawing around on the 8 by 10 label surface
>>then printing.
>>
>>Another thought...I can probably print out the instrument "holes" (the
>>layer I'm using to cut the holes in the panel) as well on the same
>>sheet, and use them for alignment!
>>
>>The rest of your procedure with the 3M tape assures me that the
>>alignment remains the same as designed as I trim the label sheets.
>>
>>Maybe a clear tape or finish might be needed over the printing after
>>installed...but easy to do...
>>
>>I Like it!
>>
>>Harley
>>
>>
>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
>>>--> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>I havent been following this thread too close but to add my own
>>>experience...I used full sheets of label clear label film..and did my
>>>label drawings in MSWord an printed them on the colour laser
>>>printer...Came out awesome with black lettering and blue borders.
>>>
>>>I then cut around the labels with an exacto knife so that I would have
>
>>>no label material outside the label border. Then I used clear
>>>removable
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the front of the labels to peel off a whole line of
>>>individual labels from the backing sheet in the exact spacing they are
>
>>>when printed.
>>>
>>>Now I could position a whole line of labels on the panel by placing
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>scotch tape on the panel.
>>>
>>>The downside is the label sheets come in packs of 20 so I have lots
>>>spare if anyone wants a few to split the cost?
>>>
>>>Labels are Avery clear full sheet Labels part number, 8665
>>>
>>>I have used two labels so far and would recommend you have 5 full
>>>sheets to allow for screw ups and the fact you will inevitably forget
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>crucial label and you really want all your labels on one sheet, so 5
>>>years from now you can hit print and get another set.
>>>
>>>Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: hdwysong@gmail.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Rich -
Here's an RS-232 receiver (level shifter) that'll do what you're looking
for:
http://www.futurlec.com/Linear/75189.shtml
However, with a Google or two I bet you'll uncover a few robotics folks
that have already generated a plug-n-play solution for BS2 serial comm.
D
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Richard Hughes wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Hughes <richardhughes260@yahoo.com>
>
> My ACK encoder was out of adjustment by 400 plus feet.
>
> Yesterday morning, I soldered tohgether a board with a
> resistor and 9 diodes. If you have the time to wait
> for shipping get the RST item in the link.
> (http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/altitude_encoder_and_elt.html)
>
> It displays the data lines coming out of the encoder
> A1 A2 A4 Bi B2 B4 C1 C2 C4.
>
> This allowed my partner and myself to remove the
> encoder and altimiter, using a hand pump calibrate the
> encoder on the dining room table instead of in the
> cold.
>
> Here is a 100 ft Gray code table if anyone is
> interested http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt
>
> I want to use a Basic Stamp II (I have a few) to read
> the lines and display them on a serial LCD. The
> question is the interface.
>
> When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a
> line has a one value it goes to ground. Could I just
> put diodes on the lines and check each pin for when it
> goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a
> seperate chip to detect the voltage that can handle up
> to 12 volts?
>
> The goal is to give human readable altitudes on an lcd
> display while in flight and providing mode C to the
> transponder.
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Just $16.99/mo. or less.
> dsl.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes Marker Generator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ceengland@bellsouth.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
kcorr@charter.net wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <kcorr@charter.net>
>
>Jim Weir wrote an article in the latest issue of Kitplanes (Feb '06) about how
to build a marker generator. Looks like a pretty simple unit to build. Can
anyone point me in the right direction on what he is using for the 32kHz clock,
op-amp, and diodes for the marker beacon tone generator? Also, I assume that
the capacitors are ceramic disk and the resistors are 1/4 watt. Any help will
be greatly appreciated.
>
>Kent Orr
>
Jim Weir monitors rec.aviation.homebuilt & answers questions about his
projects on that newsgroup. He's usually pretty quick to answer
questions (just be specific about what you want). Also, there's usually
more complete info on his web site.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: corvair list |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: raymondj@frontiernet.net
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Thanks
RayJ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Morris "BigD"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: corvair list
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\""
> <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
> http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
>
> Dave Morris
> www.N75UP.com
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "_" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>>Craig,
>>
>>Please post the location of the corvair list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>RayJ
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>>
>>
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>> > <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> >
>> > The NASA story is an urban myth. The truth is much more interesting:
>> >
>> > http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>> >
>> > Interestingly enough this same legend came up on the Corvair aircraft
>> > list
>> > last night.
>> >
>> > -- Craig
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> > Denton
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton"
>> > --> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>> >
>> > This is taking on elements of the situation described in the old story
>> > wherein NASA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that would allow
>> > astronauts to write while upside down, while the Russian cosmonauts
>> > simply
>> > used pencils.
>> >
>> > Here's a nice quick-and-dirty and cheap 2-step solution:
>> >
>> > 1. Add "Turn off Master" to checklist.
>> >
>> > 2. Follow checklist. Which you should be doing anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt
>> > Prather
>> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
>> >
>> >
>> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> > --> <mprather@spro.net>
>> >
>> > Brainstorming, not criticizing here..
>> >
>> > If you are doing debug/maintenance work in the hangar, having the
>> > strobe
>> > on
>> > would drive me a little batty (not to mention running the battery
>> > down)..
>> >
>> > An alternate/additional idea: add a cabin door/canopy switch, and a
>> > little
>> > combinatorial switching logic.. When the cabin door is closed, AND the
>> > master is on, the strobe is enabled. That way, if you leave the door
>> > open
>> > while you are working on the plane, you can have the master turned on,
>> > but
>> > not be annoyed by the strobe. Close the door to walk away from the
>> > airplane
>> > after forgetting to turn the master off, and the strobe turns on
>> >
>> > Disadvantages of using the strobe connected to the master switch: Some
>> > aviators find it offensive when other aviators operate their strobes at
>> > night while on the ground. That might suggest that you install a
>> > defeat
>> > switch. And that means that you may forget to un-defeat it, and leave
>> > the
>> > master turned on, and kill the battery... A latching defeat switch,
>> > maybe?
>> > Cycling the master switch resets the defeat. Okay, too complex?
>> >
>> > If your airplane is equipped with LED position lights, maybe these
>> > could
>> > be
>> > illuminated instead, as they are low enough draw, and aren't very
>> > annoying
>> > to be around.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Matt-
>> >
>> >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>> >> <skywagon@charter.net>
>> >>
>> >> Bob,
>> >> What I would suggest..... if you have a rudder tip strobe or similar,
>> >> leave it on all the time. If you step out of the bird and forget the
>> >> master, usually the strobe blinking away will get your attention
>> >> before you leave and remind you of the Master left on.
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >> To: "aeroelectric list" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "bob noffs"
>> >>> <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> I have been thinking an ''idiot light'' to tell me when the master is
>> >>> left on would be handy. Of course , i learned this the hard way. Now
>> >>> it has occurred to me that light would become annoying after a
>> >>> while.
>> >>> After thinking about it i decided it wouldnt work to wire it to the
>> >>> same terminal on the ign. switch that grounds the ignition [ I am
>> >>> only very slowly learning a little about all of this] so now I am
>> >>> thinking to put a relay on to the lead from the alt .
>> >>> This relay would only close when power from the alternator stopped.
>> >>> Then my idiot light would go on. Am I reinventing the alt. warning
>> >>> light? I havent seen the need for a warning light as I plan to have
>> >>> an eis with alarms. Will my idea work and is there any schematic
>> >>> anywhere in Bob's book that would get me thru this? thanks in
>> >>> advance
>> >>> Bob Noffs
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| Subject: | Re: Duplicates Solved... (For Real, This Time!) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Okay, I REALLY have it solved this time! I had removed them from the List subscription,
but they kept coming anyway. I've blocked any posts from their domain
now, so we should be safe!
I'm going to go clean the archive now...
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
At 10:59 AM 1/9/2006 Monday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>AeroElectric Lister,
>
>Looks like the following email address on the AeroElectric-List was the culprit:
>
> yamokosk@lakemichigancollege.edu
>
>Interestingly, this is a community college in Lake Michigan.
>
>They were sending duplicates of messages back to the list with all the original
headers, so it looked like it kept coming from the original people.
>
>I'm suspecting this might be some sort of automated message archiver that is misconfigured.
>
>I've unsubscribed the address from the List and sent them an email.
>
>Things should be back to normal now!
>
>Matt Dralle
>List Admin
>
>
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>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Duplicates Solved... (For Real, This Time!) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
Thanks Matt.
;-)
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Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Okay, I REALLY have it solved this time! I had removed them from the List subscription,
but they kept coming anyway. I've blocked any posts from their domain
now, so we should be safe!
>
> I'm going to go clean the archive now...
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin.
>
>
> At 10:59 AM 1/9/2006 Monday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
>>AeroElectric Lister,
>>
>>Looks like the following email address on the AeroElectric-List was the culprit:
>>
>> yamokosk@lakemichigancollege.edu
>>
>>Interestingly, this is a community college in Lake Michigan.
>>
>>They were sending duplicates of messages back to the list with all the original
headers, so it looked like it kept coming from the original people.
>>
>>I'm suspecting this might be some sort of automated message archiver that is
misconfigured.
>>
>>I've unsubscribed the address from the List and sent them an email.
>>
>>Things should be back to normal now!
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>List Admin
>>
>>
>>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
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> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> ...
> EXBUS pretty much locks you in for architecture, may be o.k. for those who don't
> care to deal at all with electrons. For me, it has been the most enjoyable
> part of the project so far. I do believe the Subaru conversions, at least
> Eggenfellner, require it, don't they?
He recommends it, but it is not a requirement. I'm not using the
EXPBUS. I've got a Z11 + Z30 going.
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20041121101637759
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Group:
I have a quick question regarding how the mags are wired to toggle switches as
illustrated in drawing Z-11.
As wired in this schematic, if you place the right mag to "on" and then engage
the starter via the left mag/start switch, does this ground out both mags so that
you can turn the engine over with the ignition essentially off?
Thanks in advance
Jeff Orear
RV6A
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| Subject: | Re: Blind encoder Display |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Richard Hughes wrote:
> When a line has a zero value it is at 12 volts, when a
> line has a one value it goes to ground. Could I just
> put diodes on the lines and check each pin for when it
> goes to ground? The Stamp is a TTL device. Do I need a
> seperate chip to detect the voltage that can handle up
> to 12 volts?
There are a couple of ways to approach this. Perhaps the simplest is to
clamp the inputs to ground and +5 using diodes and provide a
current-limiting resistor like this:
+5
|
---
/ \
---
|
encoder output >--/\/\/\----+-------> TTL input
R1 |
---
/ \
---
|
gnd
R1 needs to be selected to limit the current. 10K should be just fine
and will limit current to under 1mA. This will clamp the input to within
one diode drop of ground or +5VDC.
OTOH, isn't the STAMP a CMOS product? If so, it might not care if you
use +12 and ground as inputs. It probably has protective diodes inside
already so you would just need the current-limiting resistor. Still, the
diode clamp approach is safe and will work.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Antenna Length |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 10:15 AM 1/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>
>I know this is a dumb question, but I think it would be dummer for me not to
>ask: In order for it to fit in what I believe to be the best location, I
>need to shorten my ELT antenna from 21 inches to 19-3/8 inches. Will that
>adversely affect performance? Another location will be very difficult. Can
>anyone suggest another solution?
I did some tests on a bizjet installation where we substituted
a "rubber-duck" of a VHF-Comm hand-held for a full sized 21 inch
antenna. Differences in gain and pattern were barely discernable.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | E-Bus Avionics Switch ? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Just thinking? On any of the Endurance Bus drawings. Other than the "don't
really need it" discussion and parts count issue, what would the downsides
be of adding a S704 contactor between the D25 and E-Bus so that you
effectively used the whole E-bus as an Avionics bus. This would assume that
the E-bus load can be easily carried by the S704 which I think is rated at
20 amps and has low continuous draw. It would actually save several
switches for EFIS systems like the GRT which are not internally switched.
Comments appreciated.
Thanks Bill S
7a Ark
Wiring as we speak
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Antenna Length |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
An ELT is an insurance policy you hope to not have to use. Changing the
length by 8% will cause the transmitter to no longer reach its maximum
distance. Maybe instead of 40 mile range you only get 35. If by
shortening it, the SWR goes up to the point that the automatic overload
circuitry trips in the ELT and shuts off the transmitter, that wouldn't be
good either. Ask the ELT manufacturer about that. If you're going to be
doing a lot of flying over the Amazon, you might reconsider.
A better question might be what is limiting the length to 19 3/8? Is it a
metal panel? Proximity to metal would be an even more serious problem than
an 8% shorter antenna. Can you bend the antenna and keep its length?
Dave Morris
At 12:15 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>
>I know this is a dumb question, but I think it would be dummer for me not to
>ask: In order for it to fit in what I believe to be the best location, I
>need to shorten my ELT antenna from 21 inches to 19-3/8 inches. Will that
>adversely affect performance? Another location will be very difficult. Can
>anyone suggest another solution?
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mag switches |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Hello Jeff,
The way I interpret the drawing is that when the right mag is "on", the
starter circuit is disabled. In other words, when the right mag is on
(disconnecting 2 from 3), continuity between terminals 5 and 6 is broken,
which disables the starter circuit.
The drawing shows the right mag switch in the OFF-START position.
With the switch selected as drawn, the right mag is grounded out
(disabled) via continuity between terminals 2 and 3.
The drawing shows the left mag grounded out (disabled) via terminals 2 and 3.
The drawing shows the starter circuit is disabled because terminals 4 and
5 on the left mag aren't connected.
As drawn, if the left mag switch is moved, the left mag is disabled. If
it is moved to its full opposite position, the left mag is enabled (no
continuity between 2 and 3), and the starter is enabled (continuity
between 4 and 5).
I hope that helps..
Regards,
Matt-
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
> <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
> Group:
>
> I have a quick question regarding how the mags are wired to toggle
> switches as illustrated in drawing Z-11.
>
> As wired in this schematic, if you place the right mag to "on" and then
> engage the starter via the left mag/start switch, does this ground out
> both mags so that you can turn the engine over with the ignition
> essentially off?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Jeff Orear
> RV6A
>
>
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| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Antenna Length |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Grant,
Is this antenna "inside" or does it mount out in the breeze?
Bob . . .
At 12:01 PM 1/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
>
>Grant,
>If you were able to add a "loading" coil to the antenna correctly, this
>would allow you to shorten the current antenna. You would need a guru type
>friend that knew antennas to accomplish this for you. However, I would bet
>that a search of the web via Google would find a manufacturer that makes the
>"loaded" antennas for the frequency that you need.
>David
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna Length
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>
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> >
> > I know this is a dumb question, but I think it would be dummer for me not
> > to
> > ask: In order for it to fit in what I believe to be the best location, I
> > need to shorten my ELT antenna from 21 inches to 19-3/8 inches. Will that
> > adversely affect performance? Another location will be very difficult.
> > Can
> > anyone suggest another solution?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Grant
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: mag switches |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Thanks Matt.
I guess what I really want to know is how do you turn an engine over as
wired in Z11 without the mags hot?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: mag switches
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
> <mprather@spro.net>
>
> Hello Jeff,
>
> The way I interpret the drawing is that when the right mag is "on", the
> starter circuit is disabled. In other words, when the right mag is on
> (disconnecting 2 from 3), continuity between terminals 5 and 6 is broken,
> which disables the starter circuit.
>
> The drawing shows the right mag switch in the OFF-START position.
>
> With the switch selected as drawn, the right mag is grounded out
> (disabled) via continuity between terminals 2 and 3.
>
> The drawing shows the left mag grounded out (disabled) via terminals 2 and
> 3.
>
> The drawing shows the starter circuit is disabled because terminals 4 and
> 5 on the left mag aren't connected.
>
> As drawn, if the left mag switch is moved, the left mag is disabled. If
> it is moved to its full opposite position, the left mag is enabled (no
> continuity between 2 and 3), and the starter is enabled (continuity
> between 4 and 5).
>
> I hope that helps..
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt-
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
>> <jorear@new.rr.com>
>>
>> Group:
>>
>> I have a quick question regarding how the mags are wired to toggle
>> switches as illustrated in drawing Z-11.
>>
>> As wired in this schematic, if you place the right mag to "on" and then
>> engage the starter via the left mag/start switch, does this ground out
>> both mags so that you can turn the engine over with the ignition
>> essentially off?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> Jeff Orear
>> RV6A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Johnson" <pinetownd@volcano.net>
Greetings,
This month is wiring month for my Lancair Legacy. My preliminary load analysis
for each electrical bus is presented for review and comment. Composite airplane,
engine in front, 75 amp main alternator, SD-8 aux alternator, single battery,
Z-13/8 all electric on a budget with overweight E-Bus. Chelton Sport glass
cockpit with backups for airspeed, altimeter, and electric attitude indicator
(TruTrak ADI). IFR and night flights anticipated. The "Typ Amps" represents
the typical continuous current in cruise flight.
I'm curious if anyone has comments regarding which components are on each bus.
Battery Bus Load Analysis
Fuse
Typ Amps
Baggage area dome light
5
1-2
Clock
1
-
Panel flood lights
3
.5
Map lights
3
.5
Electronic ignition
5
2
Alternate feed to E bus
20
-
Total Battery Bus Loads
4-5 amps
E-Bus Load Analysis
Fuse
Typ Amps
Elevator trim servo
1
-
Roll & yaw trim servos
2
-
Transponder & altitude encoder
3
1.5
Audio panel & headsets
2
.4
Gear down lights & O2 regulators
1
-
Engine info system (GRT)
3
.2
Com radio
5
.3 (3.2 max)
Autopilot
5
.5 (2.5 max)
Instrument panel lights
1
.2
Chelton display #1
5
2.5
Chelton display #2
5
2.5
Attitude/heading ref system
2
.2
Total E-Bus Loads
9 (14 max)
Other Loads
Hydraulic pump for landing gear
40ANL
-
Main alternator field C.B.
5
-
Auxiliary alternator field C.B.
5
-
Main Bus Load Analysis
Fuse
Typ Amps
Angle of attack indicator
1
.2
Fuel boost pump
10
-
VOR receiver
2
1
Wingtip position lights (LEDs)
?
?
Wingtip strobe lights
?
?
Wing flaps motor
7
-
Taxi light
7
-
Landing light
7
-
Pitot heat
30
- (11 in use)
Avionics cooling fan
3
.5
Cockpit electric heat
15
- (10 in use)
Backup electric attitude indicator
?
?
Normal feed to E-Bus
20
9 (14 max)
Total Main Bus Loads
16 (42 max)
Best,
Dennis Johnson
Lancair Legacy wiring this month
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| Subject: | Re: mag switches |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Without adding jumpers, or more switches, it won't happen.. In order to
engage the starter, the left mag switch will have terminals 1 and 2
connected, which will enable the left magneto (because terminal 1 isn't
connected to anything). For diagnostic purposes, you could connect
terminal 1 to ground. Then the left mag would be disabled.
Matt-
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
> <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
> Thanks Matt.
>
> I guess what I really want to know is how do you turn an engine over as
> wired in Z11 without the mags hot?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: mag switches
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
>> <mprather@spro.net>
>>
>> Hello Jeff,
>>
>> The way I interpret the drawing is that when the right mag is "on",
>> the starter circuit is disabled. In other words, when the right mag
>> is on (disconnecting 2 from 3), continuity between terminals 5 and 6
>> is broken, which disables the starter circuit.
>>
>> The drawing shows the right mag switch in the OFF-START position.
>>
>> With the switch selected as drawn, the right mag is grounded out
>> (disabled) via continuity between terminals 2 and 3.
>>
>> The drawing shows the left mag grounded out (disabled) via terminals 2
>> and 3.
>>
>> The drawing shows the starter circuit is disabled because terminals 4
>> and 5 on the left mag aren't connected.
>>
>> As drawn, if the left mag switch is moved, the left mag is disabled.
>> If it is moved to its full opposite position, the left mag is enabled
>> (no continuity between 2 and 3), and the starter is enabled
>> (continuity between 4 and 5).
>>
>> I hope that helps..
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matt-
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
>>> <jorear@new.rr.com>
>>>
>>> Group:
>>>
>>> I have a quick question regarding how the mags are wired to toggle
>>> switches as illustrated in drawing Z-11.
>>>
>>> As wired in this schematic, if you place the right mag to "on" and
>>> then engage the starter via the left mag/start switch, does this
>>> ground out both mags so that you can turn the engine over with the
>>> ignition essentially off?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Orear
>>> RV6A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Disregard Load Analysis |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Johnson" <pinetownd@volcano.net>
Greetings,
Please disregard my previous posting, "Load Analysis," because an apparent formatting
problem makes it unreadable. I'll post a readable version tomorrow.
Dennis Johnson
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