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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Iso Amp - 2 stereo - 3 mono inputs ()
2. 05:37 AM - Re: EFIS Comparisons (Harley)
3. 09:24 AM - Test (Dan Beadle)
4. 12:38 PM - Floscan 201B varnish? ()
5. 12:38 PM - T&B, etc. (Fergus Kyle)
6. 01:47 PM - Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? (JC5404L)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: T&B, etc. (Brian Lloyd)
8. 02:47 PM - Re: Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? (rd2@evenlink.com.Interface?)
9. 03:24 PM - Re: Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? (Bill Denton)
10. 04:28 PM - Re: Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? (rd2@evenlink.com.Interface?)
11. 09:41 PM - test (Bill and Marsha)
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| Subject: | Re: Iso Amp - 2 stereo - 3 mono inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>Is there a clever way to add another stereo input?
Don't know if it is clever, but.....
May be the kits below:
http://www.quasarelectronics.com/1010.htm
http://www.quasarelectronics.com/1071.htm
http://www.quasarelectronics.com/1050.htm
The Garmin 396 is Stereo? Cool I did not know that. Is that part of
the XM radio package? I guess I am wondering why do you need to
listen to two stereo sources at the same time, but
If you only need to listen to one at a time a simple toggle switching
between the two stereo may be the only thing that you need.
I might add that some intercoms don't do well with low gain output
from small devices like iPod's, your results may vary. There are
cool little stereo preamps electronic kits. Good Luck Pete.
Cheers George
From: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Iso Amp - 2 stereo - 3 mono inputs
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell"
<pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
Hello,
I am looking to integrate 2 stereo (Garmin 396 and Ipod) and 3
mono(EIS, Traffic, 1 extra) sources into my Flightcom
403. I have studied the design of Bob's Iso Amp and like it all
except that it only accepts one stereo input. Is there a clever way
to add another stereo input?
Also, I contacted Flightcom and they suggested (good service - 3hr
response to an e-mail) just adding 1:1 Isolation transformers (Radio
Shack 273-1374) to the mono inputs and running all lines to Pin 21 -
that way they will be unmuted.
They did not have an answer for the twin stereo inputs.
Any thoughts? Cheers,Pete
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Comparisons |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
Morning, Mitch..
>>you'll see that the 4 cyl is without sensors and the other is with
sensors<<
Ah, yes...you are correct...I see that now...guess I assumed that they
would list the two units the same way...first without the sensors, then
with them. If it fooled me, it probably caught a few others as well.
Time for me to get back to the "cave" and the sanding...<G>
Harley
Mitchell Goodrich wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mitchell Goodrich" <mgoodrich@tampabay.rr.com>
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>Hey Harley,
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>yeah they have a bit of work on the site to do.
>If you look again, you'll see that the 4 cyl is
>without sensors and the other is with sensors.
>The actual diff between the1 and 2 box is bout 700.00
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>Mitchell Goodrich
>Modular Electric LLC
>Managing Partner
>813-356-9758
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>Harley
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:11 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS Comparisons
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>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
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>Evening, Mitch...
>
>Their website is a bit confusing then...I didn't see where it mentions
>that one or two box option (but I think that I have noticed that at
>least one other brand does the same thing), but it does say that the
>Auracle I is for non-certified applications, and the Auracle II at $1500
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>more is for certified.
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>Of course, the way it is phrased may simply mean that Auracle II is
>ready for immediate certification where the Auracle I is not expected to
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>be certified in the near future.
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>If you talk to them, you might mention that there is some confusion, as
>witnessed by our conversations here today.
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>I won't be getting down there for awhile...it's snowing again here
><G>...and I've been finishing the parts I brought back here in my
>cellar...I'm all camped out in my warm cave until spring! <G>
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>Harley
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>Mitchell Goodrich wrote:
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mitchell Goodrich"
>>--> <mgoodrich@tampabay.rr.com>
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>>Hey Randy & Harley,
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>>The Auracle does come 2 different ways. A single box, which means all
>>the senders are wired directly to the head unit, and a 2 box. The data
>>aquisition unit mounted
>>in the engine compartment and a supplied data cable run up to the head
>>unit.
>>Do believe that both units are/will be certified.
>>I vote for the 2 box. Only because of my limited wireway space, and
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>>Both units have the same exact functionality.
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>>Mitchell Goodrich
>>VariEze Tampa
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Randall Richter
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:56 PM
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS Comparisons
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randall Richter"
>>--> <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
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>>Glad to hear they have listened to the masses!
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Harley
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:45 PM
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS Comparisons
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley
>>--> <harley@agelesswings.com>
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>>Randy...
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>>They have TWO versions...the Auracle I is for non-certified use, and
>>the
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>>Auracle II is for either certified or not...it is about $1500 more than
>>the non certified version.
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>>And, from their website:
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>>"Programming the Xerion */AuRACLE
>>(TM)/* is made quick and easy by
>>visiting www.xerionavionix.com and requesting your aircraft specific
>>data, downloading the file to your portable USB drive, and then
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>plugging
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>>it into your */AuRACLE
>>(TM)/*. It's that simple!"
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>>The USB drive is included with the unit.
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>>Harley Dixon
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>>Randall Richter wrote:
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>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Randall Richter"
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>>>I spoke to the rep at Oshkosh this summer and this seems like a very
>>>good product. The one thing that gives me pause is the fact that the
>>>software will not be user upgradeable. They will require you to remove
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>>>similar, right?
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>>>He said this was because they're seeking certification and that's not
>>>allowed for certified products. Which tells me they won't have an
>>>"experimental" version of this system.
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>>>Randy Richter
>>>-7QB coming along VERY slowly
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
Test
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Floscan 201B varnish? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
We are working on our 914 fuel system. It has 2 Floscan 201B transducers
for flow gauge.
I called Flowscan about installation, and was told if using mogas, you
need to drain lines so there is no fuel in the transducer, or else the
optics will get varnished over. He said 70 to 80% of the time you can take
out the transducer and put a pipe plug in 1 end and use carb and choke
cleaner and let it sit. But if that does not work the transducer is not
serviceable.
Have those out there using mogas and 201Bs been draining lines during
times of inactivity?
How many have needed to clean or replace 201Bs?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Bob and Brian,
I enjoyed the 'byeplay' 'twixt methods explained in the use of
the turn and Bank - which the Brits and others refer to as "turn and slip"
indicators.
Bob used the phrase "stop the turn" as a preliminary to escape from unusual
positions.
I'd like to modify that slightly - and welcome any remarks. As I
remember, my cruel leader had me under the hood on limited panel (needle,
ball and airspeed), and said, "I'll set you up, then give you control, and
you regain straight and level flight".
For five minutes we were all over the sky. If it weren't caged
my A/H would have been broken. I felt about 3G, then weightless and the
mighty leader said, "You have control". What he had done was to reef the
machine to the vertical, bunted and applied full rudder. I can't tell you
what excitement I experienced - until we were established in an inverted
spin. The recovery was traumatic.
He then explained - no other instrument could recover from that
manoeuvre but the T&B. The first thing you gotta do is 'stop the yaw with
the rudders, then assess the result, if airspeed then level the wings with
the ailerons, and apply the throttle as required, bring her level and trim'.
In ensuing weeks we expanded the idea, and soon I was happy if I
had anything MORE than needle, ball and airspeed. So, Bob, maybe it should
be Stop the Yaw, then Stop the Bank, then airspeed.
What's true is that one must be familiar with the aircraft to
get the most out of it - and perhaps few of us do that.
Ferg
PS: maybe it should be ball, needle and airspeed since that's the order of
use.
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| Subject: | Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "JC5404L" <jcreedon@bellsouth.net>
Greetings;
Does anyone have a means of connecting the new 396 to the FS-450 Fuel Flow
monitor?
A wiring diragram/hints/instructions would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks;
JC
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Fergus Kyle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Bob and Brian,
> I enjoyed the 'byeplay' 'twixt methods explained in the use of
> the turn and Bank - which the Brits and others refer to as "turn and slip"
> indicators.
That is the term that appears in the training material that I use with
my students.
> Bob used the phrase "stop the turn" as a preliminary to escape from unusual
> positions.
And the more I think about it it, the more I agree with it.
> I'd like to modify that slightly - and welcome any remarks. As I
> remember, my cruel leader had me under the hood on limited panel (needle,
> ball and airspeed), and said, "I'll set you up, then give you control, and
> you regain straight and level flight".
> For five minutes we were all over the sky. If it weren't caged
> my A/H would have been broken. I felt about 3G, then weightless and the
> mighty leader said, "You have control". What he had done was to reef the
> machine to the vertical, bunted and applied full rudder. I can't tell you
> what excitement I experienced - until we were established in an inverted
> spin. The recovery was traumatic.
> He then explained - no other instrument could recover from that
> manoeuvre but the T&B.
Well, I might disagree with that but it depends on the AI. I must admit
I have developed a great deal of respect for the "upside down" AI
(vertical gyro) that the Chinese and Russians use in their airplanes.
They have one in the Yak-52 and it works just fine through the full
range of unlimited category aerobatic maneuvers, including tumbling and
gyroscopic maneuvers. Of course, they also have a T&SI.
> The first thing you gotta do is 'stop the yaw with
> the rudders, then assess the result, if airspeed then level the wings with
> the ailerons, and apply the throttle as required, bring her level and trim'.
OK. There is also the standard spin recovery that goes:
1. Close the throttle.
2. Stick center and slightly forward. The Chinese even paint a vertical
white line on the center of the panel to remind the student where the
stick goes.
3. Press on the hard rudder until the turn stops.
4. Keep the turn stopped with the rudder.
5. The airplane is accelerating and has flying speed so start to ease
back on the stick to bring the nose up.
6. Now pitch and power to maintain level flight.
This should recover from any unusual attitude, albeit perhaps with a bit
of extra airspeed.
> In ensuing weeks we expanded the idea, and soon I was happy if I
> had anything MORE than needle, ball and airspeed. So, Bob, maybe it should
> be Stop the Yaw, then Stop the Bank, then airspeed.
> What's true is that one must be familiar with the aircraft to
> get the most out of it - and perhaps few of us do that.
Ahh, you got that right. Most students have been made so scared of the
edges of the envelope that they never get anywhere near there and don't
know how their airplanes will behave out there. You don't really
appreciate why you want to do incipient stall recovery until you are
allowed to take it over the edge and then bring it back.
> Ferg
> PS: maybe it should be ball, needle and airspeed since that's the order of
> use.
I think I need to put on the hood and go play with this.
And I think we are pretty well agreed at this point that we would rather
have a T&SI than a TC.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com Interface?
Hi JC-
Funny, I am just doing the same thing with different equipment - I have a
296 and an Electronics Int'l FP-5L fuel totatilizer.
Pg. 158 of the 396 pilot's guide shows the pinout (I can email you the page
if you don't have it). Data out on the 396 is blue - this should go to the
GPS input on the FS-450. The 396 output needs to be set to whatever
standard JPI can read (most of the quipment can "read" NMEA). I am assuming
you'll need to buy a power/data connector with bare cable ends (the 296 did
not come with such cable) - so you can use the same cable to power the 396
and to signal-feed the JPI fuel flow. I'd terminate the 396 bare ends cable
into a DIN-5 or sub D-9 in order to have everything available (don't know
if the 396 alarms are available in aviation mode - the 296 alarms are for
auto mode only). With a DIN-5 os sub D-9 on the other end of the bare ends
cable you'll have enough pins in one connector to be able to feed the music
of 396 etc.
Good luck
Rumen
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(received from JC5404L; Date: 04:42 PM 1/19/2006 -0500)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "JC5404L" <jcreedon@bellsouth.net>
Greetings;
Does anyone have a means of connecting the new 396 to the FS-450 Fuel Flow
monitor?
A wiring diragram/hints/instructions would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks;
JC
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| Subject: | Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
I don't think you can do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
JC5404L
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow
Interface?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "JC5404L" <jcreedon@bellsouth.net>
Greetings;
Does anyone have a means of connecting the new 396 to the FS-450 Fuel Flow
monitor?
A wiring diragram/hints/instructions would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks;
JC
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 396 to JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow Interface? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com Interface?
Hi again JC-
I just found a file of the FS450 manual on my computer.
Pg. 20 of FS450 Pilot's manual Re. D 11/2001 shows the FS450 pinout.
Pin 9 is for GPS-in ("from GPS"). The signal compatibility table indicates
that most every GPS on the market today with serial output should be able
to work with FS450 to show MPG, RES(serve) and REQ(uired) (see table on pg.
8 of the pilot's manual). If this is the purpose pin 9 on the back of the
FS450 needs to be connected to Data Out (blue) of the 396.
If you are talking fuel data to GPS (the opposite scenario and different
goal), then the choices are probably much more restricted in terms of GPS
selection.
Rumen
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Cc: <docyukon@ptcnet.net>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill and Marsha" <docyukon@ptcnet.net>
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