---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/30/06: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: How to Crimp Flag Terminals? (Jim Jewell) 2. 04:42 AM - MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 04:42 AM - Re: GPS Antenna (Mark & Lisa) 4. 05:18 AM - Re: Powergenie - anyone using it? DIY ideas? (BobsV35B@aol.com) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (Charlie Kuss) 6. 05:35 AM - Re: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (Charlie Kuss) 7. 05:57 AM - Re: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (Peter Mather) 8. 05:59 AM - transponder gets into comm transceiver (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 06:17 AM - Re: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (Charlie Kuss) 10. 07:03 AM - Re: helmet issues (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 11. 07:24 AM - Re: GPS Antenna (Bob C.) 12. 07:44 AM - Downside to powering headsets with ships power? () 13. 08:12 AM - Re: helmet issues (Mark R Steitle) 14. 08:31 AM - Re: Hardened Windshield (J. Mcculley) 15. 08:50 AM - Re: Hardened Windshield (Bruce Gray) 16. 09:09 AM - Re: Hardened Windshield (Dave Morris \) 17. 09:49 AM - Re: Hardened Windshield (David Lloyd) 18. 10:57 AM - Re: GPS Antenna (Tim Olson) 19. 11:09 AM - Re: Hardened Windshield (Fergus Kyle) 20. 11:20 AM - Re: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (Fergus Kyle) 21. 11:26 AM - Battery options? (Alan K. Adamson) 22. 11:51 AM - Re: Battery options? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 23. 01:11 PM - Re: SL-30 Intercom (Buckaroo Banzai) 24. 02:28 PM - question about Vans Starter Relay (Dale Ellis) 25. 03:06 PM - Re: question about Vans Starter Relay (Charlie Kuss) 26. 03:42 PM - Deer Strike Incident () 27. 03:55 PM - Re: Deer Strike Incident (Dave Morris \) 28. 04:28 PM - Re: Hardened Windshield (Alex Peterson) 29. 05:25 PM - Re: question about Vans Starter Relay (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 30. 05:38 PM - Re: Bird Strikes and deer- OT expanded (Dj Merrill) 31. 05:55 PM - Re: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (John W. Cox) 32. 06:29 PM - Re: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer (TSaccio@aol.com) 33. 07:26 PM - Re: transponder gets into comm transceiver (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:21 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: How to Crimp Flag Terminals? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Dennis, If you have a pair of the crimpers shown in the attached (poorly focused) photos, they can be modified to crimp the flag type terminals that you have. I used a Dremel tool to create a centred groove in the tip as shown in the photo. I then used a small diameter chain saw file to finish out the groove to a good diameter (radius) for crimping flags. I got the crimper tool from Cleaveland Tools for $12.00 a few years ago. I hope the photos give enough info. If not email me for more info. Jim in Kelowna The 6a wings are on but not bolted yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Johnson" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: How to Crimp Flag Terminals? > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Johnson" > > > Greetings, > > I have a handful of flag style fully insulated .250" quick connectors that > look sort of like this: > > http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Amp/Web%20Data/520129.pdf > > Since they are fully insulated, they won't fit in my ratchet crimper tool. > Even if I force it into the crimper, it looks like it will pretty much > wipe out much of the insulation. The 90=B0 angle is just what I need if I > can figure out how to crimp it. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Dennis Johnson > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:09 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" There are 6 MFJ-259B analyzers on Ebay right now with buy it now prices less than I paid for my MFJ-259A 6 years ago. See item number 5857318864 Bob . . . < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:09 AM PST US From: "Mark & Lisa" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GPS Antenna --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" Put it on the glare shield under whatever material (leather, cloth, etc.) you plan to use. Mark ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:17 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Powergenie - anyone using it? DIY ideas? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Morning All, I haven't followed this subject thoroughly, but in the messages I have monitored, I have seen no mention of the FARs pertinent to logging flight time. The following is from ancient memory, please feel free to shoot it full of holes! My recollection is that a pilot is ALLOWED to log as pilot flight time that time from when the aircraft moves under it's own power for the purpose of flight until the time the aircraft is parked following the flight. No flight time may be logged if no flight occurs, yet if you taxi out for takeoff, encounter extensive ground delays, make a fifteen minute flight around the pattern, decide to give it up and return to the hangar, it may take as long as an hour or more all of which can be logged as pilot flight time. On the other hand, you are REQUIRED to log engine and airframe time of flight for maintenance purposes. That has been defined by the FAA as from lift off to touch down. Taxi time, runups and maintenance checks need not be counted as operational time for maintenance purposes No mechanical or electrical device is required to be available to record either type of time. A written log maintained by the operator is fine for all. The FAA does allow a recording tachometer to be used as a substitute for manually logging the time. Other methods of logging airframe and engine time have been accepted by the FAA such as the use of strut switches on airplanes and switches on the collective for helicopters. Whatever you use as a substitute for a written log is up to you, the operator. The only FAA requirement that I recall is that the data be recorded in some acceptable manner. What is acceptable is to be determined at the hearing! Does that not jibe with the group's interpretation of the pertinent FARs? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 Do Not Archive In a message dated 1/29/2006 6:43:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, lhelming@sigecom.net writes: I like simplicity. I use Hobbs time for everything. That includes maintenance cycles for changing oil. If I change it a bit early as compared to tach time, I should be helping my engine live longer. Idle time particularly for warm up is important especially in the winter months. I would not think it would be good to just act as if it did not matter. However, it is a good idea to use a consistent time system so I don't disagree with your approach. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:07 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss analyzer Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss analyzer Bob & Listers, I'd be VERY leary about bidding on the item below. The seller wants payment only by Western Union. This is the classic ploy of a rip off artist who has high jacked the ligitemite account of an honest EBay seller. Any time you see payment only by Western Union, be suspicious. Ask the seller some questions. Ask if you can come over to see the item in person. If it's a scammer, he'll dodge and hedge. Charlie Kuss >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > >There are 6 MFJ-259B analyzers on Ebay right now >with buy it now prices less than I paid for my MFJ-259A >6 years ago. See item number 5857318864 > > > Bob . . . > > > < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > > < the authority which determines whether there can be > > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > > < with experiment. > > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:52 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss analyzer Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss analyzer Listers, I may have been premature with my last post. I note that the seller will also accept PayPal and major credit cards, so this may well be a legitimate auction. However, as an EBay member who has recently had his own account high jacked, I'm very leery of auctions where Western Union is offered. Other scam tip offs are a willingness to sell world wide and a very attractive shipping policy. When an account is high jacked, the EBay member who's account is used, has no idea that the items (which will be vapor ware) have been listed to his account. Charlie Kuss >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > >There are 6 MFJ-259B analyzers on Ebay right now >with buy it now prices less than I paid for my MFJ-259A >6 years ago. See item number 5857318864 > > > Bob . . . > > > < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > > < the authority which determines whether there can be > > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > > < with experiment. > > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:26 AM PST US From: "Peter Mather" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" Charlie I'm concerned you view "worldwide" as a negative. As a frequent ebay purchaser from the UK, it is always a frustration that many ebay sellers won't ship outside of the US even though the process is both easy and cheap. I do agree that "Western Union" is the big red flag. In general I will only buy using paypal even if it means up-ing the price to cover the costs. Best Regards Peter do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Kuss" , analyzer@spf6-1.us4.outblaze.com > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:33:20 -0500 > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > analyzer > > Listers, > I may have been premature with my last post. I note that the seller will > also accept PayPal and major credit cards, so this may well be a legitimate > auction. However, as an EBay member who has recently had his own account > high jacked, I'm very leery of auctions where Western Union is offered. > Other scam tip offs are a willingness to sell world wide and a very > attractive shipping policy. > When an account is high jacked, the EBay member who's account is used, > has no idea that the items (which will be vapor ware) have been listed to > his account. > Charlie Kuss > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:04 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: transponder gets into comm transceiver --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" >Comments/Questions: Bob, the reception on my KX-155 transceiver is garbled >by the interrogation responses from my KX-76 transponder. The correlation >is unambiguous... the interference is only noted when the reception is >unsquelched by a transmission from another station and the transponder >interrogation response light is lit; additionally the problem disappears >if I put the transponder in STBY. I checked grounds and they seem >good. I've already had the transponder serviced once, and replaced it >once. Seems like anything I do to it corrects the problem for a short >time, then it comes back again. Any thoughts? I've got a Velleman >oscilloscope and an EE background, so I should be able to do a "deep dive" >on this and get the dang thing fixed. Thanks, Dave D This is most likely an RFI problem. The transponder talks to the ground in a stream of short (.5 uS) pulses that encode your squawk and altitude. While average power from the transponder is low (well under 1W) the peak power can be 100W or more. I'd look for bad connector in transponder coax that may be radiating the interior of the aircraft. Is this a new condition or has it existed since day-one for the installation? You might need to reposition the transponder antenna. Check it's installation too. Dismount, clean the bonding areas under the mounting hardware and re-install. Bob . . . < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:03 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss analyzer Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss analyzer Peter, I usually offer shipping to Canada, Mexico and Western Europe when I sell items on EBay. Like I said, I'm suspicious of items offered "world wide". Charlie do not archive >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" > >Charlie > >I'm concerned you view "worldwide" as a negative. As a frequent ebay >purchaser from the UK, it is always a frustration that many ebay sellers >won't ship outside of the US even though the process is both easy and cheap. > >I do agree that "Western Union" is the big red flag. In general I will >only buy using paypal even if it means up-ing the price to cover the costs. > >Best Regards > >Peter > >do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlie Kuss" , > analyzer@spf6-1.us4.outblaze.com > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EBay rip offs was MFJ-259B > antenna analyzer > > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:33:20 -0500 > > > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > > analyzer > > > > Listers, > > I may have been premature with my last post. I note that the seller will > > also accept PayPal and major credit cards, so this may well be a legitimate > > auction. However, as an EBay member who has recently had his own account > > high jacked, I'm very leery of auctions where Western Union is offered. > > Other scam tip offs are a willingness to sell world wide and a very > > attractive shipping policy. > > When an account is high jacked, the EBay member who's account is used, > > has no idea that the items (which will be vapor ware) have been listed to > > his account. > > Charlie Kuss > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:26 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: helmet issues --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 1/29/06 9:41:00 PM Central Standard Time, jrstone@insightbb.com writes: > A good helmet has great ear cup > seals, and a seal around the edge of the helmet to act as a first layer of > defense. >>>> How about some of you XC bike riders out there? I haven't researched it, but I see a lot of bikes with intercoms between pilot & pax, complete with sound systems and I'd imagine CB radio, etc. I'd imagine good protection at a lower cost than "aviation" stuff, just like anything else........ Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:19 AM PST US From: "Bob C. " Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GPS Antenna --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bob C. " Mark, That may be a great idea! Thanks, Bob On 1/30/06, Mark & Lisa wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" > > Put it on the glare shield under whatever material (leather, cloth, etc.) > you plan to use. > > Mark > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:53 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Downside to powering headsets with ships power? From: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: I have 2 Lightspeed headsets will be using on our Europa. Is there any downside using regulated ships power to run them? Thx. Sincerely Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: helmet issues From: "Mark R Steitle" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" Mark, I've ridden Goldwings for years and have used the headset/mic units. They should work, but I'm not so sure they would be any cheaper than a/c stuff. Mark S. >>>> How about some of you XC bike riders out there? I haven't researched it, but I see a lot of bikes with intercoms between pilot & pax, complete with sound systems and I'd imagine CB radio, etc. I'd imagine good protection at a lower cost than "aviation" stuff, just like anything else........ Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:16 AM PST US From: "J. Mcculley" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "J. Mcculley" The following is an inquiry and subsequent response from 3M regarding their product being used on windshields as added bird impact protection: > Has this product been tested on General Aviation aircraft windshields as > a viable protection against impact damage and cockpit penetration by > inflight bird collisions? Thank you for contacting 3M. We appreciate your interest in our products. Our products have been tested for the application you describe and we currently do not manufacture/market a product, which would meet your needs. Regards, Thomas 3M Building Safety Solutions Department Http://www.3M.com/windowfilm 1-800-480-1704 David Carter wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" > > For 3M films, go to > http://www.3m.com/us/arch_construct/scpd/windowfilm/ > > The "breakage protection" films are listed under "Safety and Security > Films" - At the link above, go to the left column and click "Products", then > "Residential" (or probably any of them) and click > "3M Scotchshield Safety & Security Films" link after reading the blurb. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fergus Kyle" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:34 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" >> >>Cheers, >> On the subject of birdstrikes and helmets: >> Didn't I see a TV ad for a plastic layer to add to glass/whatever >>which renders it virtually impervious to baseball bats, robbers' tools >>(and >>birdstrikes)? Might be worth searching........ >>Ferg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:55 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Sounds like the standard run from aviation liability to me. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Mcculley Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "J. Mcculley" The following is an inquiry and subsequent response from 3M regarding their product being used on windshields as added bird impact protection: > Has this product been tested on General Aviation aircraft windshields as > a viable protection against impact damage and cockpit penetration by > inflight bird collisions? Thank you for contacting 3M. We appreciate your interest in our products. Our products have been tested for the application you describe and we currently do not manufacture/market a product, which would meet your needs. Regards, Thomas 3M Building Safety Solutions Department Http://www.3M.com/windowfilm 1-800-480-1704 David Carter wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" > > For 3M films, go to > http://www.3m.com/us/arch_construct/scpd/windowfilm/ > > The "breakage protection" films are listed under "Safety and Security > Films" - At the link above, go to the left column and click "Products", then > "Residential" (or probably any of them) and click > "3M Scotchshield Safety & Security Films" link after reading the blurb. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fergus Kyle" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:34 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" >> >>Cheers, >> On the subject of birdstrikes and helmets: >> Didn't I see a TV ad for a plastic layer to add to glass/whatever >>which renders it virtually impervious to baseball bats, robbers' tools >>(and >>birdstrikes)? Might be worth searching........ >>Ferg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:38 AM PST US From: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Tell him you have a $10,000,000 order, and ask if he would like to run it past his supervisor before writing you off. Dave Morris At 10:49 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >Sounds like the standard run from aviation liability to me. > >Bruce >www.glasair.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. >Mcculley >Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:30 AM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "J. Mcculley" > > >The following is an inquiry and subsequent response from 3M regarding >their product being used on windshields as added bird impact protection: > > > Has this product been tested on General Aviation aircraft windshields as > > a viable protection against impact damage and cockpit penetration by > > inflight bird collisions? > >Thank you for contacting 3M. We appreciate your interest in our >products. Our products have been tested for the application you describe >and we currently do not manufacture/market a product, which would meet >your needs. > >Regards, >Thomas >3M Building Safety Solutions Department >Http://www.3M.com/windowfilm >1-800-480-1704 > > >David Carter wrote: > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" > > > > > For 3M films, go to > > http://www.3m.com/us/arch_construct/scpd/windowfilm/ > > > > The "breakage protection" films are listed under "Safety and Security > > Films" - At the link above, go to the left column and click "Products", >then > > "Residential" (or probably any of them) and click > > "3M Scotchshield Safety & Security Films" link after reading the blurb. > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fergus Kyle" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:34 AM > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield > > > > > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > >> > >>Cheers, > >> On the subject of birdstrikes and helmets: > >> Didn't I see a TV ad for a plastic layer to add to glass/whatever > >>which renders it virtually impervious to baseball bats, robbers' tools > >>(and > >>birdstrikes)? Might be worth searching........ > >>Ferg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:48 AM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" Keep in mind a couple of thoughts....... This material could very well work in the GA impact applications "most of the time", but, I am guessing that 3M does not see a market large enough to commit to the testing and paper work hassles that they would have to work through. Also, I am assuming that these are "films" of some type and I would venture to guess that they do not have the ability to be applied to all the compound curves in our various windows and canopies designs. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Mcculley" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "J. Mcculley" > > > The following is an inquiry and subsequent response from 3M regarding > their product being used on windshields as added bird impact protection: > >> Has this product been tested on General Aviation aircraft windshields as > > a viable protection against impact damage and cockpit penetration by >> inflight bird collisions? > > Thank you for contacting 3M. We appreciate your interest in our > products. Our products have been tested for the application you describe > and we currently do not manufacture/market a product, which would meet > your needs. > > Regards, > Thomas > 3M Building Safety Solutions Department > Http://www.3M.com/windowfilm > 1-800-480-1704 > > > David Carter wrote: >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" >> >> >> For 3M films, go to >> http://www.3m.com/us/arch_construct/scpd/windowfilm/ >> >> The "breakage protection" films are listed under "Safety and Security >> Films" - At the link above, go to the left column and click "Products", >> then >> "Residential" (or probably any of them) and click >> "3M Scotchshield Safety & Security Films" link after reading the blurb. >> >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fergus Kyle" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:34 AM >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield >> >> >> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" >>> >>>Cheers, >>> On the subject of birdstrikes and helmets: >>> Didn't I see a TV ad for a plastic layer to add to glass/whatever >>>which renders it virtually impervious to baseball bats, robbers' tools >>>(and >>>birdstrikes)? Might be worth searching........ >>>Ferg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:47 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GPS Antenna --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson On my comant WSI/GPS antenna, they answered my question more than once about grounds. They said it does not require a ground plane, but it does require a ground. It needs to have a ground on the screws at least, just to allow the active circuitry voltages to power the thing. Other than that, nothing. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com > > > > Good Morning All, > > Somewhere in my totally uninformed background I thought I had been told that > the GPS antenna required no ground plane at all. > > I have seen them mounted on a wooden support just beneath the fabric on a > couple of Beech Staggerwings and I have seen many supported by various means > near a Plexiglas window or canopy, all without ground planes. > > The question posed by Bob In Iowa adds another facet to the first questions. > > > Does the lack of a ground plane cause a loss in signal strength? > > Does the requirement to bring the signal through Plexiglas, fiberglass or > fabric cause a loss? > > If these are factors, how does one measure the loss? > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8503 > > > In a message dated 1/28/2006 11:34:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > flyboy.bob@gmail.com writes: > > Peter, > > Have you attempted to measure the "attenuation factor" if any? > > I'm installing a 430 in an all electric IFR Panel in a RV-8. > > Thanks, > Bob in Iowa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:58 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" It is obvious3M want nothing to do with any such practice, purely for the litigation inferred. As for compatibility, I suspect you just buy some and try it out. I would rather lose ten bucks than my eyesight - might even stick it on my visor too. Ferg PS They sell shaded film for the roof, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lloyd" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" | | Keep in mind a couple of thoughts....... | This material could very well work in the GA impact applications "most of | the time", but, I am guessing that 3M does not see a market large enough to | commit to the testing and paper work hassles that they would have to work | through. Also, I am assuming that these are "films" of some type and I | would venture to guess that they do not have the ability to be applied to | all the compound curves in our various windows and canopies designs. | David | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "J. Mcculley" | To: | Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:29 AM | Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield | | | > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "J. Mcculley" | > | > | > The following is an inquiry and subsequent response from 3M regarding | > their product being used on windshields as added bird impact protection: | > | >> Has this product been tested on General Aviation aircraft windshields as | > > a viable protection against impact damage and cockpit penetration by | >> inflight bird collisions? | > | > Thank you for contacting 3M. We appreciate your interest in our | > products. Our products have been tested for the application you describe | > and we currently do not manufacture/market a product, which would meet | > your needs. | > | > Regards, | > Thomas | > 3M Building Safety Solutions Department | > Http://www.3M.com/windowfilm | > 1-800-480-1704 | > | > | > David Carter wrote: | >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" | >> | >> | >> For 3M films, go to | >> http://www.3m.com/us/arch_construct/scpd/windowfilm/ | >> | >> The "breakage protection" films are listed under "Safety and Security | >> Films" - At the link above, go to the left column and click "Products", | >> then | >> "Residential" (or probably any of them) and click | >> "3M Scotchshield Safety & Security Films" link after reading the blurb. | >> | >> David | >> | >> ----- Original Message ----- | >> From: "Fergus Kyle" | >> To: | >> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:34 AM | >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield | >> | >> | >> | >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" | >>> | >>>Cheers, | >>> On the subject of birdstrikes and helmets: | >>> Didn't I see a TV ad for a plastic layer to add to glass/whatever | >>>which renders it virtually impervious to baseball bats, robbers' tools | >>>(and | >>>birdstrikes)? Might be worth searching........ | >>>Ferg | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:12 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" | | There are 6 MFJ-259B analyzers on Ebay right now | with buy it now prices less than I paid for my MFJ-259A | 6 years ago. See item number 5857318864 | Bob . . . Cheers, I have one of these very useful devices, because I won it at a Hamfest (Not a swine convention but a glorified flea market for radio nuts). I gave it to the local club as there is no way an expensive item such as this would be used monthly, except antenna labs. However, in spite of all kinds of warnings, even dedicated hams burnt the device out, at $50 a pop for commercial repair. SO I keep it, but will serve to test any antenna in the club. That way it won't become a charred mote in the back storage. I say again, try the local ham club (www.ARRL.org) and look for "Affliliated clubs". Send them an email, or phone and explain your desparate need. You may have to turn away an army of curious............ but one will have an antenna analyzer. Ferg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:30 AM PST US From: "Alan K. Adamson" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery options? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" Curious of some opinions. I have a Lancair Legacy that is going to be a 24V dual alt/batt setup. I have the following options for batteries and I'm not sure which is the most preferred. A) use 2 full size 24v Concorde batteries, each around 17ah. This creates a size and weight challenge B) use 1 full size 24v Concorde and 1 7.2ah backup B&C 24v battery, this cuts the weight down, but at the expense of less than 2/3s the capacity on the backup side C) a derivative of number 1 is to use 1 fullsize 24v concorde and 2 odyssey type 12v batteries in parallel for the backup side. I'm not sure of the weight penalty here, but I get better backup current capacity. I believe that 2 can fit in the same size as 1 24v concorde so battery boxes are not the issue. Thots... I suppose I'm borrowing trouble as my wife would say. A backup battery is just that, scale what's on it for the 7.2ah B&C, use the smaller size and be done with it.... But I just had to ask, Alan ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Battery options? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" That's a LOT of backup....Why do you think you need that much? Personally I would have the two alts and stick with a single battery....With a decent load you could still run your alternator without the bettery if it somehow failed. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan K. Adamson Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery options? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" --> Curious of some opinions. I have a Lancair Legacy that is going to be a 24V dual alt/batt setup. I have the following options for batteries and I'm not sure which is the most preferred. A) use 2 full size 24v Concorde batteries, each around 17ah. This creates a size and weight challenge B) use 1 full size 24v Concorde and 1 7.2ah backup B&C 24v battery, this cuts the weight down, but at the expense of less than 2/3s the capacity on the backup side C) a derivative of number 1 is to use 1 fullsize 24v concorde and 2 odyssey type 12v batteries in parallel for the backup side. I'm not sure of the weight penalty here, but I get better backup current capacity. I believe that 2 can fit in the same size as 1 24v concorde so battery boxes are not the issue. Thots... I suppose I'm borrowing trouble as my wife would say. A backup battery is just that, scale what's on it for the 7.2ah B&C, use the smaller size and be done with it.... But I just had to ask, Alan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:16 PM PST US From: Buckaroo Banzai Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: SL-30 Intercom --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Buckaroo Banzai Stan, I use the SL-30 intercom and it's acceptable with my Bose and David Clark headsets. Doesn't work at all well with the LightSpeed ANR headset that my buddy has though. Someone mentioned that it's tough to control volume and squelch. True because those items are buried a few menu levels "down" from the main screen. There is no music function and no muting function. I eventually plan to get an intercom. Greg Speedy11@aol.com wrote: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com Listers, Is anyone with the Garmin SL-30 nav-comm using the built-in intercom? If so, is it acceptable? Or do you recommend buying a separate intercom? Is squelch a problem? Do you have control over squelch? Is there a means to input music? Is there a muting function? All advice appreciated. Stan Sutterfield www.rv-8a.net --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:27 PM PST US From: Dale Ellis Subject: AeroElectric-List: question about Vans Starter Relay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dale Ellis Sometime ago, I purchased a starter relay from Vans Aircraft. Now that I am ready to start the wiring of my RV-8, I need to know how the terminals on the relay labeled "S" and "I" should be wired? Thanks in advance, Dale Ellis Greer, SC ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:53 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: question about Vans Starter Relay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Dale, The relay you mention is actually a Ford starter relay. S stands for START and I stands for IGNITION BYPASS. To engage the relay, you need to apply 14 volts to the S terminal. For our use, the I terminal isn't needed. However, you could run a 22 AWG wire from the I terminal up to a "starter engaged" enunciator lamp on the instrument panel. Run the other lead from this lamp to your single point ground block. The lamp would warn you if the relay ever stuck "on". Charlie Kuss >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dale Ellis > >Sometime ago, I purchased a starter relay from Vans Aircraft. > >Now that I am ready to start the wiring of my RV-8, I need to know how the >terminals on the relay labeled "S" and "I" should be wired? > >Thanks in advance, >Dale Ellis >Greer, SC > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:56 PM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Deer Strike Incident --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: 1/30/2006 Hello Fellow Pilots, To expand on the subject of striking animal objects. A few years back I was involved in a deer strike in a rented Cessna 172 during take off roll while making a touch and go landing at a hard surface, public use, non controlled field . In my opinion the incident could not have been avoided. The results were: 1) I was asked to submit a written report to the local FAA FSDO which I did. 2) I had to write a check for $1,000 for the insurance deductible that I was responsible for. The renting agency had actually raised the deductible obligation to $5,000, but had neglected to tell me that or have me sign the new rental agreement to that effect so I convinced them that $1,000 was all that I owed them. 3) Damage to the aircraft was not that extensive and there was no evidence of propeller contact at all. But the person who owned the aircraft and had leased it to the renting agency saw this as an opportunity to have the engine overhauled at the insurance company's expense. The engine was removed and shipped back to Lycoming for tear down and rework. The final cost to the insurance company for airplane repair and engine removal, rework, and reinstallation was over $11,000 -- I don't know how much over. 4) For the next 3 or 5 years, depending upon which insurance company I applied to for liability insurance coverage only for my amateur built experimental airplane, I was refused coverage because of this incident. Some of the insurance agents cared absolutely nothing about the nature of the incident, my contribution towards its cause, or the resulting cost, and refused coverage over the telephone simply because the incident was on my record. My recommendations: Don't hit anything. Think long and hard about who you tell about what you hit. OC ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:11 PM PST US From: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Deer Strike Incident --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" At 05:37 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: >My recommendations: Don't hit anything. Think long and hard about who you >tell about what you hit. And when you're reincarnated, don't do something stupid like coming back as Bill Gates or Alan Greenspan or a Trident sub captain. Come back as an insurance company. That's where all the power is. Dave Morris ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:40 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Hardened Windshield --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > Thank you for contacting 3M. We appreciate your interest in > our products. Our products have been tested for the > application you describe and we currently do not > manufacture/market a product, which would meet your needs. > > Regards, > Thomas > 3M Building Safety Solutions Department When I was building my slider, I bought some nice weatherstripping from some outfit, high quality stuff with 3M adhesive etc.. They typically sell only wholesale, so my "business" was aircraft building. About 4 years later, I got a letter from the company saying that, unfortunately, they would not be able to sell to me anymore, being that their new policy prevented use in airplanes. I admired their recordkeeping. In a democracy, we get the government we deserve. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 112 hours Maple Grove, MN do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:25 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: question about Vans Starter Relay --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" A similar relay and descriptions of the terminals is illustrated at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Contactors/s702wire.jpg >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > >Dale, > The relay you mention is actually a Ford starter relay. S stands for >START and I stands for IGNITION BYPASS. To engage the relay, you need to >apply 14 volts to the S terminal. For our use, the I terminal isn't needed. >However, you could run a 22 AWG wire from the I terminal up to a "starter >engaged" enunciator lamp on the instrument panel. Run the other lead from >this lamp to your single point ground block. The lamp would warn you if the >relay ever stuck "on". >Charlie Kuss > > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dale Ellis > > > > >Sometime ago, I purchased a starter relay from Vans Aircraft. > > > >Now that I am ready to start the wiring of my RV-8, I need to know how the > >terminals on the relay labeled "S" and "I" should be wired? > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Dale Ellis > >Greer, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > Bob . . . < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bird Strikes and deer- OT expanded From: Dj Merrill --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Brian Lloyd wrote: > Birds respond well to a shotgun. Deer respond better to a 30/06 or a > .308 Winchester. > Wing tip or strut mount? ;-) -Dj do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer From: "John W. Cox" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Hamfests are a term for amateur operators getting together to swap and sell surplus equipment. They tend to pick up frequency in February through June timeline. Do follow the recommendation to reach out to your local guys. HRO (Ham Radio Outlet)is a retail chain which can bring you up to speed with a single "over the counter" conversation. John Cox W7COX -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" | | There are 6 MFJ-259B analyzers on Ebay right now | with buy it now prices less than I paid for my MFJ-259A | 6 years ago. See item number 5857318864 | Bob . . . Cheers, I have one of these very useful devices, because I won it at a Hamfest (Not a swine convention but a glorified flea market for radio nuts). I gave it to the local club as there is no way an expensive item such as this would be used monthly, except antenna labs. However, in spite of all kinds of warnings, even dedicated hams burnt the device out, at $50 a pop for commercial repair. SO I keep it, but will serve to test any antenna in the club. That way it won't become a charred mote in the back storage. I say again, try the local ham club (www.ARRL.org) and look for "Affliliated clubs". Send them an email, or phone and explain your desparate need. You may have to turn away an army of curious............ but one will have an antenna analyzer. Ferg ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:57 PM PST US From: TSaccio@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: MFJ-259B antenna analyzer --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: TSaccio@aol.com I would like to thank everyone Who E-mailed me with information. It was a great help. Thank you. Tom Saccio ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: transponder gets into comm transceiver --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:58 AM 1/30/2006 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > > > >Comments/Questions: Bob, the reception on my KX-155 transceiver is garbled > >by the interrogation responses from my KX-76 transponder. The correlation > >is unambiguous... the interference is only noted when the reception is > >unsquelched by a transmission from another station and the transponder > >interrogation response light is lit; additionally the problem disappears > >if I put the transponder in STBY. I checked grounds and they seem > >good. I've already had the transponder serviced once, and replaced it > >once. Seems like anything I do to it corrects the problem for a short > >time, then it comes back again. Any thoughts? I've got a Velleman > >oscilloscope and an EE background, so I should be able to do a "deep dive" > >on this and get the dang thing fixed. Thanks, Dave D > > This is most likely an RFI problem. The transponder talks > to the ground in a stream of short (.5 uS) pulses that > encode your squawk and altitude. While average power from the > transponder is low (well under 1W) the peak power can be 100W > or more. > > I'd look for bad connector in transponder coax that may be > radiating the interior of the aircraft. Is this a new condition > or has it existed since day-one for the installation? You > might need to reposition the transponder antenna. Check it's > installation too. Dismount, clean the bonding areas under the > mounting hardware and re-install. Bob, Thanks so much for making a personal response! The condition did not seem to be a problem early in the airplane's life, but got progressively worse, and then I had the transponder checked and replaced. Since the cavity was bad, I convinced myself that maybe the old cavity was spewing electromagnetic radiation across the spectrum, thereby clobbering my receiver. However, the problem occasionally returned, and this last weekend was particularly bad. I took a look at all the connectors and mounts before, but will do so again. Actually the first time I had this problem I thought that the colocated antenna cable runs of the VHF and transponder might be the problem, . . . I've never seen two coaxes "talk" to each other if they were properly installed . . . . . . and I "re-plumbed" quite a bit of the system to move them apart. This effort included replacing most of the connectors, none of which had any effect. Is there an easy way to check connectors or mounts with a scope? No, a pretty sophisticated thing called a network analyzer is needed. If you've recently refurbished the connectors, then this is a very low order probability. Let's call the coaxes and connectors 'good'. I've had others tell me that they do not think this is RFI, but rather the result of the transponder transient injecting some bad stuff onto either the +14 vdc or the ground circuits of either the radio or the audio panel. One gent told me he had a similar problem which he believed was the result of his switching regulator putting trash on the power line as it tried to deal with the transponder power surge. He said he put a choke on his audio panel power supply to solve the problem. I'm now thinking that one of the things I should have checked was whether the interference only occurs during VHF transmissions, or alternately clobbers my intercom as well. Maybe any audio would be getting clobbered, not just VHF, and I only correlated it with VHF reception because that's the only time my audio was keyed/de-squelched. Might be getting in through the microphone circuit? Get a couple of 6v lantern batteries and rig yourself a 12v "test" battery. Try running the transponder from this battery by disconnecting the power wire at the bus breaker and clip-leading the battery into the system. If the noise goes away, then it's conducted onto the 14V line. If this is the case, filtering at the source is better than filtering at the victim. Noted today that The Technician's Notebook by Jerry Gordon lists a service bulletin KT-76-1 that talks about replacing the power supply inverter transformer in order to reduce the electromagnetic radiation from the transponder power supply. I would think that any service bulletin would have been completed on the rebuilt transponder that I purchased just last year, but this might be a clue. Hmmmmm . . . I'm having trouble figuring out how this transformer would go bad and get worse over time. Thanks again for all the great advice! Just ordered a new copy of the "Connection".... the one I have now is #6 or so, and I'm sure there's a lot more good info in it by now! Be sure to keep it up to date by downloading revisions from the website as they are published. You only need to buy the book once that way! Check out chapter 16 on noise. I speak of the test battery technique for powering either victims or antagonists from the battery to see if observed effects change or go away. The same chapter speaks of the value of isolating headset and microphone jacks from airframe ground and carrying their respective ground leads all the way back to the intercom on shields or conductors in the bundles. Be sure to let us know what you find! Bob . . .