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1. 05:33 AM - Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs ()
2. 06:02 AM - Re: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: OV Module (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs (Bill Denton)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Z-13/8 some questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 08:38 AM - test, ignore (Peter Cowan)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Brinker)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (David Lloyd)
9. 12:15 PM - Excel wirebook (William Crook)
10. 12:15 PM - Excel wirebook (William Crook)
11. 02:30 PM - Re: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs ()
12. 06:59 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (dralle@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Responding to an AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: John Markey
<markeypilot@yahoo.com>
<<Rich, I flew a Vari-EZ with Kuntzelman strobes. They worked great and were
the original
strobes when the FAA inspector signed the plane off for nighttime
VFR.....skip......>>
2/2/2006
Hello John, A common misconception. I will bet that the FAA inspector did
not sign anything that said that airplane was approved as is for night time
VFR. What the inspector signed was a Special Airworthiness Certificate and a
set of Operating Limitations for that specific airplane that was part of the
Special Airworthiness Certificate for that plane.
What the Operating Limitations said was "After completion of Phase I flight
testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in
accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day
only."
This put the responsibility for properly equipping that amateur built
airplane for night time VFR or instrument flight directly into the hands of
the airplane builder. The FAA does not certify amateur built experimental
aircraft for these two conditions of flight because there are no published
certification standards for amateur built experimental aircraft.
This subject has been discussed previously on the list. I have a table that
I will send to any one requesting it that more fully describes the
requirements. That table has also been posted to the web sites of some list
participants. Probably can find where in the archives.
OC
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| Subject: | Re: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
bulbs
At 08:26 AM 2/2/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>
>Responding to an AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: John Markey
><markeypilot@yahoo.com>
>
><<Rich, I flew a Vari-EZ with Kuntzelman strobes. They worked great and were
>the original
>strobes when the FAA inspector signed the plane off for nighttime
>VFR.....skip......>>
>
>2/2/2006
>
>Hello John, A common misconception. I will bet that the FAA inspector did
>not sign anything that said that airplane was approved as is for night time
>VFR. What the inspector signed was a Special Airworthiness Certificate and a
>set of Operating Limitations for that specific airplane that was part of the
>Special Airworthiness Certificate for that plane.
>
>What the Operating Limitations said was "After completion of Phase I flight
>testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in
>accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day
> only."
>
>This put the responsibility for properly equipping that amateur built
>airplane for night time VFR or instrument flight directly into the hands of
>the airplane builder. The FAA does not certify amateur built experimental
>aircraft for these two conditions of flight because there are no published
>certification standards for amateur built experimental aircraft.
>
>This subject has been discussed previously on the list. I have a table that
>I will send to any one requesting it that more fully describes the
>requirements. That table has also been posted to the web sites of some list
>participants. Probably can find where in the archives.
>
>OC
Send it to me, I'll post it in the Reference Materials
section of aeroelectric.com
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 04:27 PM 1/31/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
>
>Hi Bob
>
>Below I believe the link below should be to rev E at:
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Crowbar_OV_Protection//Crowbar_E.pdf
>
>On page one I see you've revised R5 to 6.04K probably to reduce the
>number of different parts. However on page 3 it is still shown as the
>old 10K value.
Correct.
>On page 4, paragraph 2 refers to the 12 volt reference measured at (C).
>However the diagram on page 3 now shows TWO C points and it shows them
>as the revised added capacitors. It might be less confusing to designate
>the capacitors in some other way and put point C back as designating the
>reference voltage point.
Agreed. The "A", "B", and "C" with arrows are keyed with the
text as test points while smaller, standalone bubbles are
revision flags. The neophyte observer could easily mix the
two. I think I'll change "A", "B" and "C" test points to
numbered values.
I've had quite a bit of feedback from individuals who
had various start up problems with this project . . most
had to do with packaging. I'm thinking about offering an
etched circuit board that uses thru-hole parts and
gets the critter down to a 1.25" square board that will
fit into the same package as
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9011/9011-700-1.pdf
I just ordered a couple hundred potting shells for this
and other projects. I could offer a kit of board and
potting shell which would fix the packaging issues and
improve on probability of having it work right the first
time.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Bob...
Could you post a link once you have it up on your site?
Thanks...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
L. Nuckolls, III bulbs
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement
bulbs
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net> bulbs
At 08:26 AM 2/2/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>
>Responding to an AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: John
Markey
><markeypilot@yahoo.com>
>
><<Rich, I flew a Vari-EZ with Kuntzelman strobes. They worked great and
were
>the original
>strobes when the FAA inspector signed the plane off for nighttime
>VFR.....skip......>>
>
>2/2/2006
>
>Hello John, A common misconception. I will bet that the FAA inspector did
>not sign anything that said that airplane was approved as is for night time
>VFR. What the inspector signed was a Special Airworthiness Certificate and
a
>set of Operating Limitations for that specific airplane that was part of
the
>Special Airworthiness Certificate for that plane.
>
>What the Operating Limitations said was "After completion of Phase I flight
>testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight
in
>accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day
> only."
>
>This put the responsibility for properly equipping that amateur built
>airplane for night time VFR or instrument flight directly into the hands of
>the airplane builder. The FAA does not certify amateur built experimental
>aircraft for these two conditions of flight because there are no published
>certification standards for amateur built experimental aircraft.
>
>This subject has been discussed previously on the list. I have a table that
>I will send to any one requesting it that more fully describes the
>requirements. That table has also been posted to the web sites of some list
>participants. Probably can find where in the archives.
>
>OC
Send it to me, I'll post it in the Reference Materials
section of aeroelectric.com
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z-13/8 some questions |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 06:26 AM 2/1/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>I am trying to shoehorn my needs into a Z-13/8 and have some questions.
>
>Our Europa has a Rotax 914 and want to use a ND alternator on the vacuum
>pad as primary alternator with a LR3C regulator and use the internal
>generator as Aux alternator. The battery will be between 12 and 18 amps
>located aft of the motor and Main-Bus and E-Bus by 7 feet (~ 14 feet of
>wire) run will be using #4 wire.
okay
>1) Will the LR3C be happy if I connect the #6 Bus to my Main Bus, or
>should it really go closer to the battery?
#6 bus? are you talking about the suggested 6-slot fuseholder
as a BATTERY bus? This needs to mount right at the battery
contactor which is right next to the battery.
>2) Will the LR3C be happy if I connect the #3 OV sense wire to my Main
>Bus, or should it really go closer to the battery?
Wire as shown in the diagrams.
>3) Rotax install manual wants difference between terminal C of the
>regulator and the battery to be less than .2V, is this achievable with 12
>feet of wire and a max load of 30 amps? What would happen if more than .2V
>difference?
I believe "C" is the voltage regulation sense wire. They're
simply noting that voltage drops in ship's wiring can mis-inform
the regulator as to the exact status of votlage at the battery and
main bus. When wired with #4 as you've cited above, voltage
drops will be nominal for all considerations. Wire as shown in
the diagram.
>4)Rotax Install manual states" never sever connection between terminal C
>and +B of regulator e.g. by removal of fuse"
>
>Z-16 which is designed for only use of internal Rotax generator looks like
>it disconnects C and +B, Z-13/8 which uses a SD8 as a aux alternator only
>makes or breaks the output of SD-8.
The SD-8's regulator doesn't have a voltage sense wire . . .
>When using Rotax internal generator as Aux on Z-13/8 do I want to follow
>Z-16 and sever, or follow Z-13/8 and leave C and +B connected and only
>make and break output?
If there was a warning against separating C and +B on the original
version of Z-16 I did years ago, I don't recall it. You can simply
move the 22AWG "C" feed wire from "4" on the switch over to the
(+) terminal of the filter capacitor and treat the Rotax alternator/
regulator combo just like an SD-8.
>5) Rotax install manual recommends a 30 amp slow blow fuse on output of
>regulator, is a 16AWG Fuselink as used in Z-16 equivalent to a 30 amp slow
>blow fuse?
Yes.
>6) On Z-13/7 E-Bus has a 20 AWG Fuse-link,16AWG wire, switch and 7 amp
>fuse: Z-32 Heavy Duty E-Bus Feed bumps up wire to 14AWG, a 10 amp fuse and a
>relay instead of a switch
>a) For the 3 additional amp fuse, why did a relay replace switch?
The FAA's "rule of thumb" for protection limit on an always hot
wire in airplanes is 5A breaker. Frankly, I'd be more 'comfortable'
with a 5 or even 7A fuse . . . MUCH faster and less likely to provide a
high-energy fault in a crash. If you upsize the alternate feed from
the battery bus, conventional wisdom suggests a "mini" battery contactor
be co-located with the battery bus.
>b) Why was Fuse-link dropped?
Overkill . . . extremely low order probability of functioning
in a useful way.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Cowan" <peterc@pipcom.com>
Just seeing if I'm still a member.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
David thanks for the info please keep me informed on how well
this system works for you. And if it accually picks up in remote area's.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zaon Traffic System
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
> <skywagon@charter.net>
>
> Randy,
> Their XRX is the newest of the model line and can also detect 8 regions or
> sectors around you to give some idea of where the target is in angular
> relation to you. I just received this unit as an upgrade from the VRX and
> have not installed nor operated yet.
> D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:57 PM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Zaon Traffic System
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker"
>> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>>
>> Anyone fimiliar with the Zaon flight systems traffic avoidance system ?
>> Looks promising and has a RS232 output which may make it compatible for
>> showing traffic on the GRT. And from what I've read it will pick up
>> traffic
>> pretty much anywhere in the USA.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Sorry on first post did'nt change subject
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
Randy,
Keep in mind that the unit, and its kin, are "passive" receiver design.
It will not show any other aircraft in a remote area if a ground radar or
TCAS is "not" pinging it in the normal way. All the Zaon/Surecheck models
basically sniff the air for transponder energy from other aircraft. I have
used their VRX. It was very good showing relative distance from you,
altitude differences between you and the target, and altitude trends. And,
would do this for several aircraft in the area.
I did not like 2 things about the VRX.
It did not give you angular indication of the nearby aircraft; you did not
know where to "look" for a close target.
The other was the display. I believe that it is of the earlier generation
LCD. It worked fine if it was mounted directly in front of your eyes. I
had mounted the VRX more directly in front of the co-pilots eyes as I did
not want the unit mounted on my panel top directly in my eye line for
critical pitch and landing control. I do a lot of back country flying and
it would be bad to not see a large rock landing on a rough strip, if the
unit blocked my view for a second.
These units are quite small; I should have mounted in directly in front of
me.
Now, the XRX model... this one is new. Last year at Oshkosh, they did not
have it ready to sell but, made an attractive offer. If one were to buy the
VRX then, they would take it back at full price, when the XRX came out. I
bought it on that basis and returned the VRX last month and they sent me
the XRX. I have not mounted it yet.
They said that it uses a different display. But, I suspect that it is the
same. It doesn't matter as I will mount this new unit in front of me and I
will just have to get used to the little box with a "hump" in my eye sight.
The hump is the new phased array receiving antenna. Now, you are get 8
quadrants of angular target location using a display of small arrows. It
will track 3 aircraft at once that are being interrogated by normal ground
radar. It's algorithm chooses the must critical to you to put on the main
display with the most ranging data to display to you. An example.... if the
unit is tracking 2 aircraft, one is 1 mile out and the other is 3 miles
away. One would think that it would place the closest aircraft into the
main display location. But, it is smarter than that. It reviews the
altitude trends and direction in relation to your flight position. Thus, if
the closest aircraft is moving away from you in altitude or direction, it
is not considered a threat, when the farthest aircraft may have a climbing
trend towards you or the converging heading, then, it gets selected as the
main threat.
All in all, the little units do a very fine job, since they have internal
altimeters as well as altitude data from any mode C transponder. It left me
wanting more..... Thus, the reason that I opted for the XRX at more than 2X
the cost. I treat it as insurance..... the one time that it alerts me to
deviate it will have paid for itself...!! Sorry for spinning out of
control with all the additional details........
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zaon Traffic System
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker"
> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>
> David thanks for the info please keep me informed on how
> well
> this system works for you. And if it accually picks up in remote area's.
>
> Randy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Zaon Traffic System
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd"
>> <skywagon@charter.net>
>>
>> Randy,
>> Their XRX is the newest of the model line and can also detect 8 regions
>> or
>> sectors around you to give some idea of where the target is in angular
>> relation to you. I just received this unit as an upgrade from the VRX
>> and
>> have not installed nor operated yet.
>> D
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:57 PM
>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Zaon Traffic System
>>
>>
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker"
>>> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>>>
>>> Anyone fimiliar with the Zaon flight systems traffic avoidance system ?
>>> Looks promising and has a RS232 output which may make it compatible for
>>> showing traffic on the GRT. And from what I've read it will pick up
>>> traffic
>>> pretty much anywhere in the USA.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> Sorry on first post did'nt change subject
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: William Crook <will@willcrook.com>
Hi Bob & Aeroelectric listers:
This is my first post - hope it goes through. At the point in my Glastar project
that I need to start on my wirebook.
I seem to recall that a lister posted an example of his wirebook that was 100%
in excel, but cannot find that post in the archives. I'm very comfortable working
with excel (being a CPA in real life) would like to start with a good example.
I am planning on using some form of Z-13. So if anyone has their wirebook
in excel (or Word or Powerpoint), I would sure appreciate a sample copy from
which to start creating my own.
Read the 'Connection cover to cover and have enjoyed reading my daily digest.
Bob's concepts are slowly starting to sink in - all this is very new to me.
Thanks in advance for your help. Email address is will@willcrook.com.
Will Crook
Glastar
Waynesville, NC
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: William Crook <will@willcrook.com>
Hi Bob & Aeroelectric listers:
This is my first post - hope it goes through. At the point in my Glastar project
that I need to start on my wirebook.
I seem to recall that a lister posted an example of his wirebook that was 100%
in excel, but cannot find that post in the archives. I'm very comfortable working
with excel (being a CPA in real life) would like to start with a good example.
I am planning on using some form of Z-13. So if anyone has their wirebook
in excel (or Word or Powerpoint), I would sure appreciate a sample copy from
which to start creating my own.
Read the 'Connection cover to cover and have enjoyed reading my daily digest.
Bob's concepts are slowly starting to sink in - all this is very new to me.
Thanks in advance for your help. Email address is will@willcrook.com.
Will Crook
Glastar
Waynesville, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
2/2/2006
Responding to Wayne Hicks.
You wrote: "Just thought you'd like to know....."
Yes Wayne, I would like to know and I'd like other builders to know as well.
There are several lessons that can be learned from your input. Here are just
some, there are probably others:
1) There are gray areas that exist in interpreting and applying the
policies, procedures, and regulations that pertain to amateur built
experimental aircraft.
2) Individual inspectors have their own proclivities and because they
represent the FAA Administrator during the inspection they have considerable
power.
3) Individual FSDO's also have different interpretations of how things must
be done.
4) If a builder suspects that he might be on the cutting edge of some thing
that might raise the hair on the back of the neck of an inspector the
builder might be wise to check it out in advance and even shop around for a
more enlightened inspector.
5) We have a great privilege in being able to build and operate our amateur
built experimental aircraft in an environment that was created, and is being
run, by lawyers and bureaucrats that speak type certificated as a first
language and we should expect a few pot holes in the road from time to time.
6) Exterior lighting falls into the category of those things that don't
affect just the pilot or occupants of the builder's aircraft, but could also
affect the efficiency of the ATC system or the safety of other aircraft as
well. One should expect that category of things to be examined more closely
or even held to type certificated standards by some inspectors even though
the regulations don't specifically require that standard for amateur built
experimental aircraft.
7) The better we understand the rules and how they are being interpreted the
better chance we have of retaining our privilege even though we may get
abused from time to time. Ignorance of the rules, deliberately flouting
them, or arguing in a fashion that causes people outside the amateur built
community to believe that we are up to no good does not help our cause.
OC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hicks, Wayne" <wayne.hicks@zeltech.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Automotive Strobes & LED replacement bulbs
> Not so fast?
> I know what the rules are and how they are supposed to be interpreted.
> However, we recently had a Cozy III owner who was denied the ability for
> night flight because the DAR required him to have TSO'd lights. He
> didn't;
> he had the LED lights. So the DAR took it upon himself to write the
> restriction into the Cozy III op limits.
>
> The Cozy III builder appealed to the FSDO for his Kentucky region....and
> the
> FSDO upheld the DAR's decision!!!
>
> The Cozy III builder appealed to the EAA -- TO THE EAA -- who promptly
> said,
> "We don't want to get involved." (But we hope you did receive this month's
> glossy-covered magazine.)
>
> Just thought you'd like to know.....
>
> Wayne Hicks
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>>
>>Responding to an AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: John
> Markey
>><markeypilot@yahoo.com>
>>
>><<Rich, I flew a Vari-EZ with Kuntzelman strobes. They worked great and
> were
>>the original
>>strobes when the FAA inspector signed the plane off for nighttime
>>VFR.....skip......>>
>>
>>2/2/2006
>>
>>Hello John, A common misconception. I will bet that the FAA inspector did
>>not sign anything that said that airplane was approved as is for night
>>time
>>VFR. What the inspector signed was a Special Airworthiness Certificate and
> a
>>set of Operating Limitations for that specific airplane that was part of
> the
>>Special Airworthiness Certificate for that plane.
>>
>>What the Operating Limitations said was "After completion of Phase I
>>flight
>>testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight
> in
>>accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day
>> only."
>>
>>This put the responsibility for properly equipping that amateur built
>>airplane for night time VFR or instrument flight directly into the hands
>>of
>>the airplane builder. The FAA does not certify amateur built experimental
>>aircraft for these two conditions of flight because there are no published
>>certification standards for amateur built experimental aircraft.
>>
>>This subject has been discussed previously on the list. I have a table
>>that
>>I will send to any one requesting it that more fully describes the
>>requirements. That table has also been posted to the web sites of some
>>list
>>participants. Probably can find where in the archives.
>>
>>OC
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.
The
complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains AeroElectric-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the AeroElectric-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the AeroElectric-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List ***
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Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be
stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be
forwarded to the List.
Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and
disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible.
Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List,
the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small.
If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it
does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly*
to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific
kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "aeroelectric-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the AeroElectric-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all AeroElectric-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
AeroElectric-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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