---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/19/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:39 AM - Re: fluid level sensor needed (Mickey Coggins) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: Special switch (JTORTHO@aol.com) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Special switch (Carlos Trigo) 4. 07:47 AM - Re: fluid level sensor needed (Larry McFarland) 5. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's (Bruce Gray) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 09:15 AM - Re: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 9. 09:21 AM - Re: Special switch (Steven Anderson) 10. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 09:42 AM - Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? () 12. 09:56 AM - Re: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? (Kenneth Melvin) 13. 10:29 AM - Re: fluid level sensor needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 14. 10:40 AM - Re: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? (Ralph E. Capen) 15. 10:59 AM - Re: fluid level sensor needed (Mickey Coggins) 16. 11:14 AM - Re: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? (Bruce Gray) 17. 12:31 PM - Re: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? (Bill Denton) 18. 01:24 PM - N2D First Flight (Mark E Navratil) 19. 03:18 PM - SD8 Alternator Install - Z-12 vs. Manual (Steve & Denise) 20. 05:39 PM - Re: N2D First Flight (Richard Dudley) 21. 05:58 PM - Radio Static (John Totten) 22. 06:25 PM - Re: Radio Static (David Lloyd) 23. 06:28 PM - Re: N2D First Flight (n801bh@netzero.com) 24. 07:11 PM - Radio Static (John Totten) 25. 07:26 PM - Re: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 26. 08:48 PM - Re: Radio Static (David Lloyd) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:53 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: fluid level sensor needed --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi Larry, Thanks for getting back to me. > I use a pressure sensor in a threaded boss in a metal hose connection. Which pressure sensor are you using? Paul's idea of using a Honeywell 26PCAFA6D amplified with a INA118P instrumentation op amp is great, but I'm not really qualified to do that much integration. I want to run a zero pressure system, so using a sensor that can detect such a small amount of pressure would be perfect, assuming it's adequately damped. > The warning is provided by > my Grand Rapids Technologies E I S. It's alarm is set at a minimum 4 > psi. You loose water pressure > you know just as well that you don't have enough water to continue much > farther. A low fluid level would > not necessarily save your engine if it were placed incorrectly and might > be excess mechanics for what > you're trying to do. A pressure switch is smaller and simpler to do. I'm not planning to run any pressure in my system, but this might change when my design meets reality. Still, I'm having a little trouble understanding the relationship between pressure and coolant loss. It seems like even if you have a slow leak, and the coolant level goes down, the pressure cap will maintain the correct pressure, even if it's only air. I'm kind of new to this, so please excuse my ignorance. Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:43 AM PST US From: JTORTHO@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Special switch --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: JTORTHO@aol.com Carlos Try this link for ebay. I bought five, but have not yet tried these switches. They came in a day or two ago. They are sub miniature. I don't need more then two, I could drop one in the mail if you like. What is the best way to make a secure connection to these small contacts? http://cgi.ebay.com/PCK-12-MINI-DPDT-Toggle-Switches-ON-ON-ON-UL-SWITCH_W0QQit emZ7390380626QQcategoryZ47076QQcmdZViewItem Jim Searey multitasking too cold in the garage ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:14 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Special switch --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" Jim By the picture, they look SPDT (only 3 connectors) and I need DPDT (6 connectors). I already ordered from DigiKey, thanks anyway. For the best connection, I prefer to use spade terminals, if you find the appropriate size. Otherwise you'll have to solder it. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Special switch > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: JTORTHO@aol.com > > Carlos > > Try this link for ebay. I bought five, but have not yet tried these > switches. They came in a day or two ago. They are sub miniature. I > don't need more > then two, I could drop one in the mail if you like. > What is the best way to make a secure connection to these small contacts? > http://cgi.ebay.com/PCK-12-MINI-DPDT-Toggle-Switches-ON-ON-ON-UL-SWITCH_W0QQit > emZ7390380626QQcategoryZ47076QQcmdZViewItem > > Jim > Searey > multitasking > too cold in the garage > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:59 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: fluid level sensor needed --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Mickey, I used a Grand Rapids Technologies Part Number LPS-02 low pressure sensor suitable for fuel and coolant pressures between 0-28 psi. My coolant pressure is always above 5 psi so the low warning is set at 4 psi. If you're using a zero-pressure coolant in your engine like the Evans waterless coolants, this might not be a good idea as they only get pressure from pump flow. GRT can be reached at Byron Center, MI ph 616-583-8000. Larry Mickey Coggins wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > >Hi Larry, > >Thanks for getting back to me. > > > >>I use a pressure sensor in a threaded boss in a metal hose connection. >> >> > >Which pressure sensor are you using? > >Paul's idea of using a Honeywell 26PCAFA6D amplified with a >INA118P instrumentation op amp is great, but I'm not >really qualified to do that much integration. I want >to run a zero pressure system, so using a sensor that >can detect such a small amount of pressure would be perfect, >assuming it's adequately damped. > > > >>The warning is provided by >>my Grand Rapids Technologies E I S. It's alarm is set at a minimum 4 >>psi. You loose water pressure >>you know just as well that you don't have enough water to continue much >>farther. A low fluid level would >>not necessarily save your engine if it were placed incorrectly and might >>be excess mechanics for what >>you're trying to do. A pressure switch is smaller and simpler to do. >> >> > >I'm not planning to run any pressure in my system, but >this might change when my design meets reality. Still, I'm >having a little trouble understanding the relationship between >pressure and coolant loss. It seems like even if you have a >slow leak, and the coolant level goes down, the pressure >cap will maintain the correct pressure, even if it's only >air. I'm kind of new to this, so please excuse my ignorance. > >Thanks, >Mickey > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:52 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:33 PM 2/18/2006 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" > > >Yes, that's exactly what I've got on the dimmer ckt board. >I noticed that's also the style of connector used for the CHT and EGT sensor >wires in the "brain box" for my IK2000 engine monitor. That's too bad. That style of wire-to-board interconnect system is really not suited to airplanes . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:14 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" BTW, Vision Micro went to d-sub connectors several years ago. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:33 PM 2/18/2006 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" > > >Yes, that's exactly what I've got on the dimmer ckt board. >I noticed that's also the style of connector used for the CHT and EGT sensor >wires in the "brain box" for my IK2000 engine monitor. That's too bad. That style of wire-to-board interconnect system is really not suited to airplanes . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:46 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 12:14 PM 2/18/2006 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" > >Hi All, >I've got an idea I'd like to have comments on. This will require AutoCad or >TurboCad skills which I don't have and not interested in learning. I first >need the help of someone who can copy Bob's schematic symbols and somehow >place them on a Print program. It may take a couple pages of Print to >acommodate all the symbols. Reformat the Print symbols to JPG to reduce the >file size. Then make these symbols available, with a URL, to those who want >to use them for their schematic. If this is possible, those of us drawing >schematics could use Paint to create their schematic by simple Copy/Paste >methods. It may be a little crude but who cares if the schematic portrays >accurately the flow of electrons and the symbols are spot-on accurate!? I >have no clue if this is possible but I know there are some very sharp and >creative souls on this list who will find a way, if there is one. I'm not sure that Paint skills are any easier to acquire. I use three different kinds of paint/photo editors plus AutoCAD. The paint programs are almost impossible to use for schematic drawings. They're like trying to draw with a crayon rubber-banded to the end of a long stick. If you want to avoid adding CAD to your box of tricks, then consider paper/ink. Draw your schematics on good paper in #2 pencil as sketches. When all the data are correct, get out a straight edge, circle guide, and ink pen to pretty-up the drawing using penciled data as guide. When finished, remove all pencil marks with pink eraser and fog the drawing with a light coat of clear Krylon. You'll have better looking drawings in less time than it takes to push blobs of pixels around on a computer screen. On the CAD side, consider that all CAD programs have hundreds to thousands of commands that every tutorial writer feels obligated to teach. Years ago I discovered an AutoCAD feature that allows one to replace the extended, full word command set with simple abbreviated strings of your choice. I began to craft my own command overlay file which ended up looking like this: AR, *ARRAY B, *BLOCK WB, *WRITEBLOCK BR, *BREAK CI, *CIRCLE C, *CHANGE CH, *CHAMFER CO, *COPY D, *DIMSTYLE DI, *DIST DO, *DONUT DT, *DTEXT E, *ERASE ED, *DDEDIT EL, *ELLIPSE XT, *EXTEND EXIT, *QUIT F, *FILLET H, *HATCH I, *INSERT IP, *ISOPLANE L, *LINE LA, *LAYER LI, *LIST LT, *LINETYPE M, *MOVE MI, *MIRROR OF, *OFFSET OS, *OSNAP P, *PAN PE, *PEDIT PL, *PLINE PG, *POLYGON P, *PURGE R, *REDRAW RG, *REGEN RT, *RECTANGLE REN *RENAME RO, *ROTATE S, *STRETCH SC, *SCALE SCR, *SCRIPT T, *TRIM V, *VIEW XP, *EXPLODE Z, *ZOOM There are 46 AutoCAD commands in this list. Two things happened when, after several years, I looked at the list. It told me that out of thousands of things AutoCAD will do, less than 50 of those commands took care of 99% of my use of AutoCAD. In fact, probably half that list covers 98%, the rest covers 1.9% and from time to time (0.1%) I have to dig out some new feature in AutoCAD. The list also represented a suggested study guide for new users. Get out the tutorial for your particular CAD program and learn the functions that parallel the list above. I suspect you too will discover that taming the mighty beast CAD is not as great a task as the tutorials would suggest. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." The easiest way to do this is to get a copy of Microsoft Visio, it is part of the office suite, and your work probably has it for you to use there. They have all of the templates available in there and you can download additional ones from the website for it. Visio is the easiest way to make schematics, flowcharts, etc -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Hi All, I've got an idea I'd like to have comments on. This will require AutoCad or TurboCad skills which I don't have and not interested in learning. I first need the help of someone who can copy Bob's schematic symbols and somehow place them on a Print program. It may take a couple pages of Print to acommodate all the symbols. Reformat the Print symbols to JPG to reduce the file size. Then make these symbols available, with a URL, to those who want to use them for their schematic. If this is possible, those of us drawing schematics could use Paint to create their schematic by simple Copy/Paste methods. It may be a little crude but who cares if the schematic portrays accurately the flow of electrons and the symbols are spot-on accurate!? I have no clue if this is possible but I know there are some very sharp and creative souls on this list who will find a way, if there is one. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:18 AM PST US From: "Steven Anderson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Special switch --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steven Anderson" You can order one from Mouser at mouser.com. I have gotten switches from them, the problem is wading through all the products. They have a catalog online or will send you one. Steve Anderson Final wiring RV 7a >From: "Carlos Trigo" >To: >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Special switch >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:52:11 -0000 > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" > > >I am looking for a DPDT On-On-On switch, like the 2-10 from B&C but in >miniature or sub-miniature version. >Does anybody know a source for it ? > >Thanks >Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:18 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: dimmer ckt from Van's --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 11:20 AM 2/19/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >BTW, Vision Micro went to d-sub connectors several years ago. > >Bruce >www.glasair.org Oh good. I suggested that way back when the first time I had occasion to contact them. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:44 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? From: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Anyone know of a source in the USA of illuminated, engravable rocker switch / breaker? Thx. Sincerely Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:13 AM PST US From: Kenneth Melvin Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kenneth Melvin Visio is useful for this purpose, but please explain the process by which Aeroelectric symbols can be introduced into Visio templates. Kenneth Melvin Hillsboro, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> The easiest way to do this is to get a copy of Microsoft Visio, it is part of the office suite, and your work probably has it for you to use there. They have all of the templates available in there and you can download additional ones from the website for it. Visio is the easiest way to make schematics, flowcharts, etc -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Hi All, I've got an idea I'd like to have comments on. This will require AutoCad or TurboCad skills which I don't have and not interested in learning. I first need the help of someone who can copy Bob's schematic symbols and somehow place them on a Print program. It may take a couple pages of Print to acommodate all the symbols. Reformat the Print symbols to JPG to reduce the file size. Then make these symbols available, with a URL, to those who want to use them for their schematic. If this is possible, those of us drawing schematics could use Paint to create their schematic by simple Copy/Paste methods. It may be a little crude but who cares if the schematic portrays accurately the flow of electrons and the symbols are spot-on accurate!? I have no clue if this is possible but I know there are some very sharp and creative souls on this list who will find a way, if there is one. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:49 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: fluid level sensor needed --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 12:27 AM 2/19/2006 +0100, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > > > Does this need to be a quantity gage or just > > a low level warning? > >My goal is to know when it is low, but I don't >really trust an "idiot light" solution, which >is why I'd like some idea of the progression >from "ok" to "too low". > >My fallback position is to install two on/off >type sensors at different levels, but that's >getting kind of kludgey. > >Thanks for any hints! Hmmmm . . . . but hard to beat for simplicity. Reed switches operated with magnets on floats are really inexpensive and reasonably reliable. There are some optical level sensors with possibilities. See: http://www.gemssensors.com/electrooptical.htm and http://www.gemssensors.com/TOCResults.asp?nContentsID=29 I'm working on a one wire, no moving parts, thermally sensed low liquid level detection system that will be simpler to install and still more rugged but no schedule on that activity yet. If you need something tomorrow, consider the technology cited above. For magnet and reed technologies, see: http://www.gemssensors.com/TOCResults.asp?nContentsID=36 Some of these mount right through the sidewall of a container. You could install more than one and use simple indicator lamps to annunciate switch position. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:40 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Check out the folks on the experimentalavionics yahoo group. I got a bunch of these rocker switches from them a few years ago and they had an engraver lined up too...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > Anyone know of a source in the USA of illuminated, engravable rocker > switch / breaker? > > Thx. > Sincerely > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:05 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: fluid level sensor needed --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > I'm working on a one wire, no moving parts, thermally > sensed low liquid level detection system that will be > simpler to install and still more rugged but no schedule > on that activity yet. If you need something tomorrow, > consider the technology cited above. That sounds like a winner. Please keep us posted. > Some of these mount right through the sidewall of a > container. You could install more than one and use > simple indicator lamps to annunciate switch position. Looks like I need to modify the expansion tank drawing I sent to Canton Racing to add a couple of 1/4" NPTs onto the side. Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:23 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Honeywell Microswitch AML 34 series, http://www.honeywell-sensor.com.cn/prodinfo/switch_pki/catalog/aml_30.pdf Engraving, www.engravers.net Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Check out the folks on the experimentalavionics yahoo group. I got a bunch of these rocker switches from them a few years ago and they had an engraver lined up too...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > Anyone know of a source in the USA of illuminated, engravable rocker > switch / breaker? > > Thx. > Sincerely > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:09 PM PST US From: "Bill Denton" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" These folks offer a good selection of labeled switches... http://www.aerocraftparts.com/Categories.aspx?Category=38940ec0-b260-4e9f-a2 3c-b80ff8e89c67 -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Check out the folks on the experimentalavionics yahoo group. I got a bunch of these rocker switches from them a few years ago and they had an engraver lined up too...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Illuminated, engravable rocker / breaker? > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > Anyone know of a source in the USA of illuminated, engravable rocker > switch / breaker? > > Thx. > Sincerely > Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:31 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: N2D First Flight From: Mark E Navratil --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil Guys, most if not all of you have already seen my first flight report on Doug Reeves' or Van's websites, just in case anybody hasn't I thought I'd copy it to the various Lists I've followed over the past 6 years. Wish I could remember the names of everybody who has answered questions I have had, or posted information I have found invaluable during the contruction of N2D. I often find myself wondering how people built airplanes before the internet! Thanks for all your help and hope to see many of you in the air and at fly-ins around the country in the months/years ahead. --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finally flying... ---- Well folks, N2D is now officially an AIR-plane. The FAA signed me off Friday Feb 10th and on Wed morning (Feb 15) I woke up to calm winds and I said to myself, it's time to go flying. I get out to the airport, push it out of the hangar, do a careful preflight, and can't think of any excuse not to go. Don my nomex flight suit and helmet and strap myself in. "Clear Prop!" Engine lights off and the plane comes alive with a brief shudder and rumble as the vibration ripples through the aluminum airframe. Taxi out to the end of the East Tees and dial up ground control: "Cedar Rapids Ground, RV November Two Delta, Experimental...." Feels good to say that. Tell them I'm ready to do first flight and want to depart Three-One and circle the airport to 4000'. No problemo. After the run-up I call Tower and they give me "Position and Hold Three-One, regional jet landing Niner." I move out onto the runway, line up with the centerline and wait. I haven't really been apprehensive about flying this bird but as I sit there for a few moments, it sorta hits me that I am about to take off in an airplane that has never flown before....that arrived as boxes of parts and I assembled in my garage. I think to myself, ya know, this is a little bit crazy... My thoughts are interrupted by the Tower calling out "RV Two Delta, cleared for takeoff." I take a deep breath and push the throttle forward very slowly. I don't bother looking much at the airspeed, since I don't know if it will be accurate. I just wait until it has that 'ready to fly' feeling and pull back gently on the stick. And up we go. I realize I still don't have full power in so I open it up all the way and feel the constant-speed prop bite in and lunge skyward. Now I am just hanging on for dear life and hoping nothing bad happens until I can get a little altitude and catch my breath. Well, nothing bad happens and eventually my brain catches up with the airplane. Before I know it I am pushing the nose over at 4K.' My CHT's are getting a bit high from the climb but nothing out of limits. I wiggle the stick side-to-side a bit. The wings rock back and forth briskly in perfect synch with the stick. Gotta love that fighter-like control response. Flies like an RV.... I circle lazily above the airport for a while, adjusting my oil temp control and keeping a close eye on all the engine vital signs. Everything looking good. I peer down on the poor schmucks in the regional jets landing below me and try not to feel smug. Ok, back to the task at hand....need to do a few stalls just to see if my airspeed is working right at low speeds. I head northwest out over the open farmland. After some more maneuvers I pull the power back slowly to idle....nose coming up....watching the ASI. Slight buffet and clean break at 50 kts with flaps up. Try another one with full flaps...breaks right at 45 kts. Beautiful. Power back in to 24-squared....gotta run it hard for proper break-in. I glance at the flight timer and am surprised to see that an hour has gone by already. Time to head back to the aerodrome. I check my six for enemy fighters and, seeing none, key the mic and tell Cedar Rapids I am ready to return. They come back with "Wind 040 at 9, left base for runway niner, cleared to land." I run through my landing checklist. Grip the stick a bit tighter. Realize that I'm getting close to the field and am still way too high. Pull the power back to idle and feel the deceleration as the constant-speed prop and short stubby wings do their thing....get 'er slowed down enough to throw out the flaps, turn final, add a touch of power back in to maintain 70 kts and arrest the high sink rate. A bit of turbulence tossing me around. Nearing the ground now...power all the way off....flare....and touchdown. Whew! Not a greaser but not bad either. Big relief as I roll down the runway, all in one piece... Taxi up to my hangar, shut her down and just sit there for a while letting it all soak in. Quiet satisfaction. Engine making that tick, tick, tick sound as it cools. Lovely airplane aroma of heat, oil and avgas. Nobody's around for picture taking, back-slapping or champagne but that is fine. Some guy changing a light bulb outside the hangar comes by and says "nice airplane!". I don't tell him I have just completed its first flight....just smile and say "thanks." Speaking of thanks, I owe a huge debt of gratitude to the following: God, for blessing me with the freedom and resources to make this dream come true. My patient and supportive wife Kathleen--and my kids--who have sacrificed a lot to allow me to do this project. Alan Kritzman for all his help, encouragement (prodding?) and camaraderie. Jerry Esquenazi (T-6A IP at Moody AFB) and Karl Heidrich (Wright-Patt AFB) for going out of their way to help me duplicate the beautiful paint scheme on the T-6A. Everett Coleman for kindly donating his way-cool short N-number to me. Everybody at Vans Aircraft for the great design and support. Countless others--too many to name--from EAA Chapter 33 and the sport aviation community who have shared their time, hardware, advice and lessons-learned, resulting in a much better airplane than I could have built without them! Hope I can get lots of good flying wx in the weeks/months ahead....I have 38.7 hours to go before I can get out of my test area... --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A (s/n 80583) N2D, 1.3 hours flying!! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:17 PM PST US From: "Steve & Denise" Subject: AeroElectric-List: SD8 Alternator Install - Z-12 vs. Manual --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" I comparing the SD8 install manual to Z-12 and I'm a bit confused of why the wiring difference. The install manual (Drawing 504-500 from B&C) details the following: 1. Aux Alt field breaker connected to main power bus via 2A breaker and aux alt switch then on to yellow OV crowbar module wire and onto 20 amp relay. 2. Install manual shows alt warning light coming off of relay 3. Install manual shows a second power connection via 10A breaker to main bus Z-13 details 1. Aux alt field connected breaker connected to 20Amp relay then onto aux alt switch. Black wire of OV module is connected to relay. 2. Z-13 does not show any aux alt warning light 3. Z-13 shows 16Awg fuselink coming from Battery contactor There are more differences but can someone recommend which diagram to follow and the reasoning for the differences. When does the warning light come on for the aux alt? Some instructions say the alt light comes on when the aux alt switch is off or it is OV. I plan on leaving the aux alt switch off all the time. Some have recommended to leave it on but in this scenario how does one diagnose a failed main alt if the backup alt has the ability to absorb all of the load? I'm also running a B&C 60 Amp alt with LR3 reg. Thanks for some clarification, Steve RV7A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:42 PM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: N2D First Flight --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Congratulations Mark!!!! Richard Dudley Mark E Navratil wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil > >Guys, most if not all of you have already seen my first flight report on >Doug Reeves' or Van's websites, just in case anybody hasn't I thought I'd >copy it to the various Lists I've followed over the past 6 years. Wish I >could remember the names of everybody who has answered questions I have >had, or posted information I have found invaluable during the contruction >of N2D. I often find myself wondering how people built airplanes before >the internet! Thanks for all your help and hope to see many of you in >the air and at fly-ins around the country in the months/years ahead. > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D finally flying... > >---- > >Well folks, N2D is now officially an AIR-plane. The FAA signed me off >Friday Feb 10th and on Wed morning (Feb 15) I woke up to calm winds and I >said to myself, it's time to go flying. I get out to the airport, push >it out of the hangar, do a careful preflight, and can't think of any >excuse not to go. Don my nomex flight suit and helmet and strap myself >in. "Clear Prop!" Engine lights off and the plane comes alive with a >brief shudder and rumble as the vibration ripples through the aluminum >airframe. Taxi out to the end of the East Tees and dial up ground >control: "Cedar Rapids Ground, RV November Two Delta, Experimental...." >Feels good to say that. Tell them I'm ready to do first flight and want >to depart Three-One and circle the airport to 4000'. No problemo. After >the run-up I call Tower and they give me "Position and Hold Three-One, >regional jet landing Niner." > >I move out onto the runway, line up with the centerline and wait. I >haven't really been apprehensive about flying this bird but as I sit >there for a few moments, it sorta hits me that I am about to take off in >an airplane that has never flown before....that arrived as boxes of parts >and I assembled in my garage. I think to myself, ya know, this is a >little bit crazy... My thoughts are interrupted by the Tower calling out >"RV Two >Delta, cleared for takeoff." I take a deep breath and push the throttle >forward very slowly. I don't bother looking much at the airspeed, since >I >don't know if it will be accurate. I just wait until it has that 'ready >to fly' feeling and pull back gently on the stick. And up we go. I >realize I >still don't have full power in so I open it up all the way and feel the >constant-speed prop bite in and lunge skyward. Now I am just hanging on >for dear life and hoping nothing bad happens until I can get a little >altitude and catch my breath. > >Well, nothing bad happens and eventually my brain catches up with the >airplane. Before I know it I am pushing the nose over at 4K.' My CHT's >are getting a bit high from the climb but nothing out of limits. I >wiggle the stick side-to-side a bit. The wings rock back and forth >briskly in perfect synch with the stick. Gotta love that fighter-like >control response. Flies like an RV.... > >I circle lazily above the airport for a while, adjusting my oil temp >control and keeping a close eye on all the engine vital signs. >Everything looking good. I peer down on the poor schmucks in the >regional jets landing below me and try not to feel smug. Ok, back to the >task at hand....need to do a few stalls just to see if my airspeed is >working right at low speeds. I head northwest out over the open >farmland. After some more maneuvers I pull the power back slowly to >idle....nose coming up....watching the ASI. Slight buffet and clean >break at 50 kts with flaps >up. Try another one with full flaps...breaks right at 45 kts. >Beautiful. Power back in to 24-squared....gotta run it hard for proper >break-in. I >glance at the flight timer and am surprised to see that an hour has gone >by already. > >Time to head back to the aerodrome. I check my six for enemy fighters >and, seeing none, key the mic and tell Cedar Rapids I am ready to return. > They come back with "Wind 040 at 9, left base for runway niner, cleared >to land." I run through my landing checklist. Grip the stick a bit >tighter. Realize that I'm getting close to the field and am still way too >high. Pull the power back to idle and feel the deceleration as the >constant-speed prop and short stubby wings do their thing....get 'er >slowed down enough to throw out the flaps, turn final, add a touch of >power back in to maintain 70 kts and arrest the high sink rate. A bit of >turbulence tossing me around. Nearing the ground now...power all the way >off....flare....and >touchdown. Whew! Not a greaser but not bad either. Big relief as I >roll down the runway, all in one piece... > >Taxi up to my hangar, shut her down and just sit there for a while >letting it all soak in. Quiet satisfaction. Engine making that tick, >tick, tick >sound as it cools. Lovely airplane aroma of heat, oil and avgas. >Nobody's around for picture taking, back-slapping or champagne but that >is fine. >Some guy changing a light bulb outside the hangar comes by and says "nice >airplane!". I don't tell him I have just completed its first >flight....just smile and say "thanks." > >Speaking of thanks, I owe a huge debt of gratitude to the following: > God, for blessing me with the freedom and resources to make this >dream come true. > My patient and supportive wife Kathleen--and my kids--who have >sacrificed a lot to allow me to do this project. > Alan Kritzman for all his help, encouragement (prodding?) and >camaraderie. > Jerry Esquenazi (T-6A IP at Moody AFB) and Karl Heidrich >(Wright-Patt AFB) for going out of their way to help me duplicate the >beautiful paint scheme on the T-6A. > Everett Coleman for kindly donating his way-cool short N-number to >me. > Everybody at Vans Aircraft for the great design and support. > Countless others--too many to name--from EAA Chapter 33 and the >sport aviation community who have shared their time, hardware, advice and >lessons-learned, resulting in a much better airplane than I could have >built without them! > >Hope I can get lots of good flying wx in the weeks/months ahead....I have >38.7 hours to go before I can get out of my test area... > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A (s/n 80583) N2D, 1.3 hours flying!! > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:31 PM PST US From: John Totten Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Static --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Totten What are the sources and cures for radio static? I spent $10,000 on a Garmin 430 and have big time squelch problems which sometimes make the radios unusable. Thanks JohnT ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:49 PM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Static --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" John, If the squelch "breaks" always occur on specific 430 set frequencies, then, it is a problem in the 430. I had to send my 430 back to Garmin and they fixed it. My 430 had a problem with 132.200. If the squelch break is random then, who ever installed the 430 should go through the software squelch adjustment procedures. If that does not fix things then, you have an RF noise problem. It is know that some earlier models of KX-155's comms. radiate quite a bit stray RF and that will set off the more sensitive Garmin 430 receiver. Other comm's may do the same. D.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Totten" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Static > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Totten > > > What are the sources and cures for radio static? > > I spent $10,000 on a Garmin 430 and have big time squelch > problems which sometimes make the radios unusable. > > Thanks > JohnT > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:13 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: N2D First Flight --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finally flying... ---- Well folks, N2D is now officially an AIR-plane. The FAA signed me off Friday Feb 10th and on Wed morning (Feb 15) I woke up to calm winds and I said to myself, it's time to go flying. I get out to the airport, push it out of the hangar, do a careful preflight, and can't think of any excuse not to go. Don my nomex flight suit and helmet and strap myself in. "Clear Prop!" Engine lights off and the plane comes alive with a ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The first flight in a plane one built is a feeling that CANNOT be duplicated. If someone could bottle it up and sell it they would make Bill Gates look poor.... Congrats to you buddy...... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finally flying... ---- Well folks, N2D is now officially an AIR-plane. The FAA signed me off Friday Feb 10th and on Wed morning (Feb 15) I woke up to calm winds and I said to myself, it's time to go flying. I get out to the airport, push it out of the hangar, do a careful preflight, and can't think of any excuse not to go. Don my nomex flight suit and helmet and strap myself in. "Clear Prop!" Engine lights off and the plane comes alive with a ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The first flight in a plane one built is a feeling that CANNOT be duplicated. If someone could bottle it up and sell it they would make Bill Gates look poor.... Congrats to you buddy...... do not archive BenHaas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:37 PM PST US From: John Totten Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Static --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Totten Does anyone know how to adjust the auto-squelch on the Garmin 430? I imagine this needs a Service Login and password? JohnT ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:44 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." If they are already in digital format you can import them as line drawings, or draw them your self and make them a template for Visio, and then this will give you the ability to use the other ones as well. But the original question from the poster was not to use Aeroelectric symbols, rather he was looking for an easy way to make schematics, even to the point of using paint, which would be a real painful process, especially when Visio already has default electrical schematic templates. Hope this helps Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Melvin Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kenneth Melvin Visio is useful for this purpose, but please explain the process by which Aeroelectric symbols can be introduced into Visio templates. Kenneth Melvin Hillsboro, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> The easiest way to do this is to get a copy of Microsoft Visio, it is part of the office suite, and your work probably has it for you to use there. They have all of the templates available in there and you can download additional ones from the website for it. Visio is the easiest way to make schematics, flowcharts, etc -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Schematic Symbols - An Easier Way? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Hi All, I've got an idea I'd like to have comments on. This will require AutoCad or TurboCad skills which I don't have and not interested in learning. I first need the help of someone who can copy Bob's schematic symbols and somehow place them on a Print program. It may take a couple pages of Print to acommodate all the symbols. Reformat the Print symbols to JPG to reduce the file size. Then make these symbols available, with a URL, to those who want to use them for their schematic. If this is possible, those of us drawing schematics could use Paint to create their schematic by simple Copy/Paste methods. It may be a little crude but who cares if the schematic portrays accurately the flow of electrons and the symbols are spot-on accurate!? I have no clue if this is possible but I know there are some very sharp and creative souls on this list who will find a way, if there is one. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:47 PM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Static --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Lloyd" John, The adjustment of the 3 bands of 430 squelch is fairly complicated. It takes the proper service manual and a very accurate signal generator with very good low level attenuation capability. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Totten" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Static > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Totten > > > Does anyone know how to adjust the auto-squelch on the > Garmin 430? I imagine this needs a Service Login and > password? > > JohnT > > >