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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Thank YOU, no OV worries with I-VR ever! (inexpensively!) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 04:39 AM - Re: CO kit / was B&C SSF-1 finally died (Ken)
3. 06:04 AM - Avionics Dealer References (Greg Vouga)
4. 06:04 AM - Shielded fat wires . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Watsonville Seminar (Ron Shannon)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Thank YOU, no OV worries with I-VR ever! (inexpensively!) (Brian Lloyd)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: Avionics Dealer References (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 03:44 PM - Re: Resistor Instead of Fusible Link? (Dennis Johnson)
9. 07:57 PM - Re: Avionics Dealer References (John Schroeder)
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| Subject: | Re: Thank YOU, no OV worries with I-VR ever! (inexpensively!) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Not really surprising at all considering how much it costs to go through the
whole FAA approval process. Not a lot of money in alternators I'm guessing and
everyone is interested in glass more than old tech like alternators. When I
ran into Plane Power at OSH last year I immediately made up my mind to go with
them. Nice people, very knowledgeable, and it's not like alternators are rocket
science or anything.
Saying B&C has been gouging may be a bit rough, lets just say their prices are
several times higher than what the sum of their parts are worth. :-)
Glad there are now options, just wish Van's would carry the bigger 70amp EI and
EE models as they have more cooling and spin a little slower. And even that
model is less than B&C. Looking forward to seeing their standby alternator.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Prather
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thank YOU, no OV worries with I-VR ever! (inexpensively!)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather"
--> <mprather@spro.net>
People will pay what the product is worth to them.. If a truly better value comes
along, the market will change. Ain't America great!
If B&C has been gouging, it seems surprising that an equivalent but significantly
less expensive alternative has not made it to market sooner.
Matt-
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Here is a great deal, for all those worried about OV with internal
> voltage regulators, worry no more.
>
> Thank goodness, some one finally did it!!!!
>
> Yea, at $375, complete kit w/ OV protection that BLOWS everything
> away. Yea! I am so happy :-)
>
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=3D39043&posted=3D1#
> post39043
>
> B&C better lower their price to get realistic, in my humble opinion.
>
> B&C L-60 & LRC3C: $823 (boss mount), $913 (case mount).
> That is $448 and $538 MORE! than Van's new alternator!!!!!
>
> That's a price factor of TIMES 2.19 and 2.34, well over double
> between B&C and the plane power unit.
>
> I always dis-liked B&C price gouge for the "case" mount. Why?
> Does a bracket cost $80 more? However this a free market and
> what the market will bear. God Bless America. (Please send any
> anti-American comments to me directly. We are taking about two
> American companies and was not meant to exclude or as a slight
> against the other countries or the world.)
>
> I am not against B&C and think they make a great product, but
> I they have priced themselves out of the market. This is my opinion
> based on my personal judgment. Feel free to disagree and tell me why
> you think B&C products are not over priced.
>
> Here are some other related links of interest:
> http://www.plane-power.com/Bit3.htm
> http://www.plane-power.com/images/Brochure%20EXP%2060.pdf
> http://www.plane-power.com/Bit1.htm
> http://www.plane-power.com/Bit2.htm
>
> I think the plane power answers the problem. With the lower price
> thru Van's aircraft this is a clear winner. Am I wrong?
>
> Is there some technical reason that a $375 alternator with solid OV
> protection, simple installation is not a better choice than a E-VR
> B&C alternator/regulator at over twice the cost?
>
> As a side note Plane Power recommends cooling air. I also
> would suggest connecting the warning light.
>
>
> Cheers George lol
> (I know what you are thinking, shame shame.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CO kit / was B&C SSF-1 finally died |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Figaro manufactured a number of gas sensors. One of the most common ones
was optimized for hydrocarbons and has a description much like this
unit. It was somewhat sensitive to CO. However there was also an
identical looking sensor that was optimized for CO that might be more
suitable for your purposes. Just a thought, I have no idea what sensor
this kit uses.
Ken
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>If anyone needs these units calibrated I have access to an industrial CO
>monitor that is regularly calibrated. I would be happy to calibrate one
>or more of these units (especially if someone could get me a discount on
>one..ha ha..:)..).
>
>If there are a buch of you in one locale I could do one and the rest of
>you could calibrate to that...Should be a simple jobe once I have the
>meter though so I am happy to do them.
>
>My shop propane heater gives CO in about the right range so it should be
>easy for me.
>
>Let me know
>
>Frank
>
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| Subject: | Avionics Dealer References |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga@hotmail.com>
Hi everyone,
I am in the process of finalizing my avionics order and I would like some
input on the various dealers out there. Is there anyone that has provided
particularly good or bad service? Obviously, I would like to keep my costs
to a minimum, but I'm reluctant to deal with companies that have bad
reputations. I'm planning on installing the items myself, so a full service
shop is not required. I've listed the items I plan to install below in case
that makes a difference on recommendations.
GRT EFIS
Dynon D100 EFIS
Garmin GMA-340
Garmin GNS-430
Garmin SL-30
Garmin GTX-327
Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro
Digiflight IIVSGV
Also, If you are a dealer please feel free to email me a quote at
gvouga@gmail.com.
Thanks,
Greg Vouga
RV-7A
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Shielded fat wires . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >Comments/Questions: Do you have #6 cable that is shielded? I need this for
> >the Alternator charge cable.
> >
> >Thank You,
>Chuck,
>
>There is no value added by shielding any part of the alternator
>system. I know the Cessna drawings and perhaps others call for
>it but it was never demonstrated to be beneficial when it was added
>(about 1968) and only for reasons of certified tradition does it
>persist today.
>
>Bob . . .
At 02:03 AM 3/14/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert,
>
>Thank you for the information. This explains why I can not find this
>shielded wire anywhere!!!
>
>Chuck
Large shielded wire is generally a special order thing.
FAT wires typically carry large currents with a potential
for magnetic coupling of noise - something shield has
no ability to mitigate. On the other hand, high voltage,
fast edge signals tend to be conducted on smaller wires
and signals vulnerable to such antagonists are also carried
on smaller wires. Hence, you can find miles of shielded 20
and 22 AWG wires in warehouses.
Bob . . .
Bob . . .
< What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
< the authority which determines whether there can be >
< debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
< scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
< with experiment. >
< --Lawrence M. Krauss >
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| Subject: | Re: Watsonville Seminar |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Hey folks, I'm also on the seminar sign up list. There must be more west
coasters who would benefit from a little electrical brain food. (?) Hope
to meet you there.
Ron
Murphy Rebel 254R
John McMahon wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John McMahon" <blackoaks@gmail.com>
>
>>There are only a couple days left to sign up for Bob's Watsonville,
>>CA Seminar in April. He needs 20 and there are not enough yet! I need the
>>information so I hope a few more of us sign up so he won't have to cancel
>>the seminar! Purely selfish promotion on my part!!!! Any takers? Here is
>>the link http://aeroelectric.com/seminars/Watsonville.html
>>
>>--
>>John McMahon
>>
>
>
> Lancair Super ES
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| Subject: | Re: Thank YOU, no OV worries with I-VR ever! (inexpensively!) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Matt Prather wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
>
> People will pay what the product is worth to them.. If a truly better
> value comes along, the market will change. Ain't America great!
>
> If B&C has been gouging, it seems surprising that an equivalent but
> significantly less expensive alternative has not made it to market sooner.
Not only that but after examining several alternatives I had come to the
conclusion that the B&C alternator exhibited much better quality and
quality control than any of the alternators available for aircraft
engines. I was planning to put a B&C alternator in my CJ6A even though I
knew it was much more expensive just because, if I am going to spend
$120,000 on an airplane, I couldn't see compromising on a component that
was a critical part of the engine and the aircraft systems.
I have never had a problem with an IR alternator. Bob's crowbar circuit
seemed just fine to me. If I needed to activate the crowbar, there was
already something else seriously wrong and it would protect the rest of
the aircraft's systems. I have rebuilt alternators in the field before.
(I carry all manner of spare alternator parts on my boat and rebuild
while underway if need be. They just aren't that complex.)
So this whole IR/ER thing seems pretty silly to me other than with an ER
alternator, I have complete control over the alternator's behavior
through the external regulator. If I want a three-stage charging system
with temperature compensation, something that is clearly overkill in an
aircraft, I can do it with an external regulator. I can't with an
internal regulator.
But IR alternators are simpler to wire and have no external regulator to
have find a home for elsewhere on the airframe.
I just don't see why this is such a hotly contested subject.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Avionics Dealer References |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
So your going IFR....I like many others used John Stark. He sold me the
trays for the 430, audio panel and transponder complete with a very well
made wiring harness.
For $11k's worth of equipment it seemed a whole lot better idea to NOT
be burning the warranty on the bench..I will simply buy the units and
slide them in...when I need them, Audio panel and transponder prior to
first flight and GNS 430 towards the end of phase 1.
May need to adjust the in/out of the radio trays to get them all
aligned. I mounted the angle brackets on the panels with #6 screws (and
made a spare set with no tray holes drilled just in case) so I can
remove and adjust them later as needed.
Frank RV 7a
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Vouga
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Avionics Dealer References
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg Vouga"
--> <gmvouga@hotmail.com>
Hi everyone,
I am in the process of finalizing my avionics order and I would like
some input on the various dealers out there. Is there anyone that has
provided particularly good or bad service? Obviously, I would like to
keep my costs to a minimum, but I'm reluctant to deal with companies
that have bad reputations. I'm planning on installing the items myself,
so a full service shop is not required. I've listed the items I plan to
install below in case that makes a difference on recommendations.
GRT EFIS
Dynon D100 EFIS
Garmin GMA-340
Garmin GNS-430
Garmin SL-30
Garmin GTX-327
Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro
Digiflight IIVSGV
Also, If you are a dealer please feel free to email me a quote at
gvouga@gmail.com.
Thanks,
Greg Vouga
RV-7A
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Resistor Instead of Fusible Link? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Johnson" <pinetownd@volcano.net>
nuckollsr(at)cox.net wrote:
> At 04:52 PM 3/13/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
Good thinking. It's commonly done . . .
See:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/In_Line_Resistor/In_Line_Resistor_1.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/In_Line_Resistor/In_Line_Resistor_2.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/In_Line_Resistor/In_Line_Resistor_3.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/In_Line_Resistor/In_Line_Resistor_4.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/In_Line_Resistor/In_Line_Resistor_5.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/In_Line_Resistor/In_Line_Resistor_6.jpg
Note that LEDs are relatively fragile devices with respect
to short reverse voltage transients. Suggest you add a 1N4001
in parallel with an LED that's connected directly to high
power, somewhat inductive gizmo like a starter motor.
Bob . . .[/quote]
Hi Bob,
Thanks for such a thorough reply! That's what I'll do, plus I'll add the rectifier
diode as you showed.
Thanks,
Dennis Johnson
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21813#21813
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics Dealer References |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Greg -
Give John Stark at Stark Avionics a call (706-321-1008)
( john@starkavionics.com). We used him and were very satisfied and happy
with the response, quality of the harnesses and especially the prices. His
website at:
http://www.starkavionics.com/
Cheers,
John Schroeder
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:01:57 -0800 INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210,
Greg Vouga <gmvouga@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg Vouga"
> <gmvouga@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am in the process of finalizing my avionics order and I would like some
> input on the various dealers out there. Is there anyone that has
> provided
> particularly good or bad service? Obviously, I would like to keep my
> costs
> to a minimum, but I'm reluctant to deal with companies that have bad
> reputations. I'm planning on installing the items myself, so a full
> service
> shop is not required. I've listed the items I plan to install below in
> case
> that makes a difference on recommendations.
>
> GRT EFIS
> Dynon D100 EFIS
> Garmin GMA-340
> Garmin GNS-430
> Garmin SL-30
> Garmin GTX-327
> Advanced Flight Systems AOA Pro
> Digiflight IIVSGV
>
> Also, If you are a dealer please feel free to email me a quote at
> gvouga@gmail.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Vouga
> RV-7A
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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