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1. 12:35 AM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Mickey Coggins)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Ken)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Brian Lloyd)
4. 06:43 AM - Z-Figures Update (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Charging system failure (Bill Dube)
6. 11:29 AM - avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram (Wes)
7. 12:16 PM - Re: avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram (Wes)
8. 12:26 PM - Comm Antennas (Carlos Trigo)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Carlos Trigo)
10. 11:35 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
11. 11:35 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell"
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> I am wiring the aux inputs to my FC 403 intercom (stereo) I have garmin 396
> (st), Trafficscope VRX (st), ipod(st), GRT EIS 4000(Mono). I have them each
> isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap. 396 and ipod will not be used at
> the same time. It all works pretty well except when the Trafficscope is
> hooked up, I get a low level tone ...
>
> One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the mono EIS
> warning tone.
I hope so - that's what I'm planning to do. I was going to pop the
question about how to do it when I got a bit closer, but now that
you've brought it up...
What needs to be done to have mono warning tones like the EIS 4000
or AOA indicator going into an unused mic input?
Thanks,
Mickey
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Subject: | Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
The EIS 4000 outputs a 12 volt square wave for a tone so it will drive
pretty much anything. I needed a 470k (half meg) resistor to reduce the
volume and connect mine to a different model intercom.
Ken
Mickey Coggins wrote:
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell"
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>>I am wiring the aux inputs to my FC 403 intercom (stereo) I have garmin 396
>>(st), Trafficscope VRX (st), ipod(st), GRT EIS 4000(Mono). I have them each
>>isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap. 396 and ipod will not be used at
>>the same time. It all works pretty well except when the Trafficscope is
>>hooked up, I get a low level tone ...
>>
>>One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the mono EIS
>>warning tone.
>>
>>
>
>I hope so - that's what I'm planning to do. I was going to pop the
>question about how to do it when I got a bit closer, but now that
>you've brought it up...
>
>What needs to be done to have mono warning tones like the EIS 4000
>or AOA indicator going into an unused mic input?
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On May 1, 2006, at 12:31 AM, Mickey Coggins wrote:
>>
>> One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the
>> mono EIS
>> warning tone.
>
> I hope so - that's what I'm planning to do. I was going to pop the
> question about how to do it when I got a bit closer, but now that
> you've brought it up...
>
> What needs to be done to have mono warning tones like the EIS 4000
> or AOA indicator going into an unused mic input?
There are a couple of things to think about when wiring up alert
inputs. Remember that a passenger mic input may be silenced/muted by
pressing the PTT or by throwing the "pilot isolate" or "crew isolate"
switch on the intercom. Frankly, you don't want to be able to mute
your warning audio by accident.
Some audio panels have an always-on input for alert audio. If not
then you want to pipe the audio into your intercom in such a way that
it cannot be muted. In that case you want to mix your alert audio
with audio from your audio panel at the input to your intercom. Since
most (all?) intercoms have a fail-safe routing for audio to the
pilot, that is probably the best thing to do.
It is probably best to look at all your sources of audio in the
cockpit and ask yourself what you want to do with each and then work
from there to ensure you get what you want.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
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I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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Subject: | Z-Figures Update |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Revision G to Appendix Z added note 24 against Figure Z-19.
Interested individuals are invited to download the new data
at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11G.pdf
Bob . . .
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< scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
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Subject: | Re: Charging system failure |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bill Dube <william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
There are all kinds of fuses and circuit breakers. Each has a different
time delay. Some are designed to open very quickly at just above the
rated current, others will delay for a very long time before opening.
There are slow blow style fuses and breakers. There are fast blow fuses
and circuit breakers.
Fuses are not precision devices. The fuse holder plays a significant
role too. If you load a fuse continuously for much more than about 70%
its rating, it may well open.
The 15.3 volts is quite high. Your electronics can be damaged at
this high voltage. The battery won't much care for continuous operation
at this voltage either.
Bill Dube'
Ken wrote:
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>DAVID REEL wrote:
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>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
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>>I'm back from the airport & have some further info about this problem.
>>
>>With a digital voltmeter across the battery, I read charging voltage of 15.3
>>volts. It was very unstable, jittering around a lot by about +/- a half a
>>volt. Replaced the VR166 with a NAPA VR428 and now the charging voltage is
>>pretty stable at 14.8. Jitters are gone. The Panasonic battery spec sheet
>>calls for charging voltages from 14.5 to 14.9. I'm working on a fusible
>>link replacement for the fuse but I'm still curious whether a 10 amp buss
>>fuse is likely to blow before a 5 amp circuit breaker.
>>
>>
>>
>Yes Dave. I'd suspect even a 20 amp fuse would likely blow before the
>breaker. These C/B's are much much slower than these fuses even though
>there might be way over 20 amps flowing.
>
>I got away with a 10 amp fuse feeding a 2.5 (two point five) amp breaker
>with an internal VR alternator but that won't work for your situation.
> Especially at cool temperatures, I'd consider 14.8 volts to be normal.
>And I agree with your diagnosis that the OVM probably worked properly.
>My OVM are set to trip at 16.3 volts.
>
>Ken
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>
>> Comparing meter
>>readings, the drop through the isolation diode amounts to 1 volt, not the .5
>>volts I previously thought as the engine monitor now reads 13.8v.
>>
>>To answer other questions that came up, the wire size is 18awg from main bus
>>to circuit breaker, 20awg everywhere else. The system worked for 7.8 engine
>>hours til it tripped the crowbar which I now think worked properly. The
>>regulator is mounted on the upper right side of the firewall in the engine
>>compartment & depends on the firewall for it's ground return path.
>>
>>Dave Reel
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Subject: | avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram |
Cc: Weston Thomas Isberg <wes@california.com>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Wes <wesisberg@yahoo.com>
I'm rewiring an Aviation Communications AC-6PA
intercom and need a diagram. (The old install had
wires directly soldered in at various points and
jumpers in the molex connections which broke, and it
wasn't clearly working correctly.) Does anyone on the
list have a diagram or know how to guess correctly?
Thanks -
Wes
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Subject: | Re: avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Wes <wesisberg@yahoo.com>
Sorry for the duplicate; I just found my original
April 25 post.
Wes
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
I'm building an RV-9A and planning to install 2 comm antennas, one for the
panel radio (ICOM A-200) and the other for an handheld backup radio.
If I put both on the tail cone, one on the upper side and the other on the
bottom side of the fuselage, thus on the same vertical plan and some 3 ft
apart, are there any location associated problems?
Carlos
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Subject: | Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Pete
I have the same problem(s) to solve, therefore I'm looking forward to see
the answers to your questions.
Meanwhile, please explain to an electronics ignorant like me what do you
mean by "... I have them each isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap."?
Did you connect each wire from each source through a resistance and a
capacitor (in series) all to the aux input (pin 18 or pin 19?) of the
intercom?
Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:57 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell"
> <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
>
> I am wiring the aux inputs to my FC 403 intercom (stereo) I have garmin
> 396
> (st), Trafficscope VRX (st), ipod(st), GRT EIS 4000(Mono). I have them
> each
> isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap. 396 and ipod will not be used
> at
> the same time. It all works pretty well except when the Trafficscope is
> hooked up, I get a low level tone - not really the classic ground loop
> hum.
> The voices are clear when the traffic alerts kick in, but the low level
> tone
> is always there. My next step is the iso amp, but I thought I would try
> to
> make this passive network work first.
>
> One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the mono EIS
> warning tone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* AeroElectric-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
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available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
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easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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