---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/01/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Mickey Coggins) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Ken) 3. 06:35 AM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Brian Lloyd) 4. 06:43 AM - Z-Figures Update (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Charging system failure (Bill Dube) 6. 11:29 AM - avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram (Wes) 7. 12:16 PM - Re: avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram (Wes) 8. 12:26 PM - Comm Antennas (Carlos Trigo) 9. 12:53 PM - Re: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs (Carlos Trigo) 10. 11:35 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) 11. 11:35 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:55 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" > > I am wiring the aux inputs to my FC 403 intercom (stereo) I have garmin 396 > (st), Trafficscope VRX (st), ipod(st), GRT EIS 4000(Mono). I have them each > isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap. 396 and ipod will not be used at > the same time. It all works pretty well except when the Trafficscope is > hooked up, I get a low level tone ... > > One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the mono EIS > warning tone. I hope so - that's what I'm planning to do. I was going to pop the question about how to do it when I got a bit closer, but now that you've brought it up... What needs to be done to have mono warning tones like the EIS 4000 or AOA indicator going into an unused mic input? Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:47 AM PST US From: Ken Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken The EIS 4000 outputs a 12 volt square wave for a tone so it will drive pretty much anything. I needed a 470k (half meg) resistor to reduce the volume and connect mine to a different model intercom. Ken Mickey Coggins wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" >> >>I am wiring the aux inputs to my FC 403 intercom (stereo) I have garmin 396 >>(st), Trafficscope VRX (st), ipod(st), GRT EIS 4000(Mono). I have them each >>isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap. 396 and ipod will not be used at >>the same time. It all works pretty well except when the Trafficscope is >>hooked up, I get a low level tone ... >> >>One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the mono EIS >>warning tone. >> >> > >I hope so - that's what I'm planning to do. I was going to pop the >question about how to do it when I got a bit closer, but now that >you've brought it up... > >What needs to be done to have mono warning tones like the EIS 4000 >or AOA indicator going into an unused mic input? > >Thanks, >Mickey > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:55 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On May 1, 2006, at 12:31 AM, Mickey Coggins wrote: >> >> One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the >> mono EIS >> warning tone. > > I hope so - that's what I'm planning to do. I was going to pop the > question about how to do it when I got a bit closer, but now that > you've brought it up... > > What needs to be done to have mono warning tones like the EIS 4000 > or AOA indicator going into an unused mic input? There are a couple of things to think about when wiring up alert inputs. Remember that a passenger mic input may be silenced/muted by pressing the PTT or by throwing the "pilot isolate" or "crew isolate" switch on the intercom. Frankly, you don't want to be able to mute your warning audio by accident. Some audio panels have an always-on input for alert audio. If not then you want to pipe the audio into your intercom in such a way that it cannot be muted. In that case you want to mix your alert audio with audio from your audio panel at the input to your intercom. Since most (all?) intercoms have a fail-safe routing for audio to the pilot, that is probably the best thing to do. It is probably best to look at all your sources of audio in the cockpit and ask yourself what you want to do with each and then work from there to ensure you get what you want. Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:30 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-Figures Update --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Revision G to Appendix Z added note 24 against Figure Z-19. Interested individuals are invited to download the new data at: http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11G.pdf Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:21 AM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Charging system failure --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bill Dube There are all kinds of fuses and circuit breakers. Each has a different time delay. Some are designed to open very quickly at just above the rated current, others will delay for a very long time before opening. There are slow blow style fuses and breakers. There are fast blow fuses and circuit breakers. Fuses are not precision devices. The fuse holder plays a significant role too. If you load a fuse continuously for much more than about 70% its rating, it may well open. The 15.3 volts is quite high. Your electronics can be damaged at this high voltage. The battery won't much care for continuous operation at this voltage either. Bill Dube' Ken wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken > >DAVID REEL wrote: > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" >> >>I'm back from the airport & have some further info about this problem. >> >>With a digital voltmeter across the battery, I read charging voltage of 15.3 >>volts. It was very unstable, jittering around a lot by about +/- a half a >>volt. Replaced the VR166 with a NAPA VR428 and now the charging voltage is >>pretty stable at 14.8. Jitters are gone. The Panasonic battery spec sheet >>calls for charging voltages from 14.5 to 14.9. I'm working on a fusible >>link replacement for the fuse but I'm still curious whether a 10 amp buss >>fuse is likely to blow before a 5 amp circuit breaker. >> >> >> >Yes Dave. I'd suspect even a 20 amp fuse would likely blow before the >breaker. These C/B's are much much slower than these fuses even though >there might be way over 20 amps flowing. > >I got away with a 10 amp fuse feeding a 2.5 (two point five) amp breaker >with an internal VR alternator but that won't work for your situation. > Especially at cool temperatures, I'd consider 14.8 volts to be normal. >And I agree with your diagnosis that the OVM probably worked properly. >My OVM are set to trip at 16.3 volts. > >Ken > > > >> Comparing meter >>readings, the drop through the isolation diode amounts to 1 volt, not the .5 >>volts I previously thought as the engine monitor now reads 13.8v. >> >>To answer other questions that came up, the wire size is 18awg from main bus >>to circuit breaker, 20awg everywhere else. The system worked for 7.8 engine >>hours til it tripped the crowbar which I now think worked properly. The >>regulator is mounted on the upper right side of the firewall in the engine >>compartment & depends on the firewall for it's ground return path. >> >>Dave Reel >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:02 AM PST US From: Wes Subject: AeroElectric-List: avcomm AC-6PA intercom wiring diagram Cc: Weston Thomas Isberg --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Wes I'm rewiring an Aviation Communications AC-6PA intercom and need a diagram. (The old install had wires directly soldered in at various points and jumpers in the molex connections which broke, and it wasn't clearly working correctly.) Does anyone on the list have a diagram or know how to guess correctly? Thanks - Wes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Carlos ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:17 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Carlos Trigo" Pete I have the same problem(s) to solve, therefore I'm looking forward to see the answers to your questions. Meanwhile, please explain to an electronics ignorant like me what do you mean by "... I have them each isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap."? Did you connect each wire from each source through a resistance and a capacitor (in series) all to the aux input (pin 18 or pin 19?) of the intercom? Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Howell" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:57 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Flightcom 403 Aux inputs > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" > > > I am wiring the aux inputs to my FC 403 intercom (stereo) I have garmin > 396 > (st), Trafficscope VRX (st), ipod(st), GRT EIS 4000(Mono). I have them > each > isolated with a 150 Ohm R and a 10 uF cap. 396 and ipod will not be used > at > the same time. It all works pretty well except when the Trafficscope is > hooked up, I get a low level tone - not really the classic ground loop > hum. > The voices are clear when the traffic alerts kick in, but the low level > tone > is always there. My next step is the iso amp, but I thought I would try > to > make this passive network work first. > > One other question - could an unused mic input be used for the mono EIS > warning tone. > > Thanks, > > Pete ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:21 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. 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