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1. 03:25 AM - Re: EIS 4000 tone (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
2. 05:32 AM - EIS 4000 Tone (Pete Howell)
3. 11:00 AM - ATC User Fees (Giffen Marr)
4. 11:52 AM - insulation - OT (rd2@evenlink.com)
5. 12:43 PM - Re: insulation - OT (Craig Payne)
6. 12:49 PM - Firewall Penatration (Brinker)
7. 02:11 PM - How do I hook up EIS4000 to the shunts on z-14 (Duane Wilson)
8. 02:14 PM - Re: Firewall Penatration (Craig Payne)
9. 03:35 PM - Re: ATC User Fees (Noel Loveys)
10. 06:19 PM - Re: Firewall Penatration (Brinker)
11. 06:32 PM - Re: Firewall Penatration (cecilth@juno.com)
12. 09:02 PM - Re: Chapter 8 Update (Dennis Jones)
13. 09:29 PM - Re: Firewall Penatration (Craig Payne)
14. 09:34 PM - Re: Chapter 8 Update (Craig Payne)
15. 10:25 PM - Re: Chapter 8 Update (Bob McCallum)
16. 10:25 PM - Re: Chapter 8 Update (Dennis Jones)
17. 11:33 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
18. 11:33 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:50 PM - Re: Chapter 8 Update (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Re: EIS 4000 tone |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
There's a Grand Rapids Tech. product user group on Yahoo that you can look up using
GRT_EFIS
It's not a EFIS only users group so you can join and ask and EIS question you want
and search the archives for that matter.
Lucky
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From: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell"
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> I have the audio output of my EIS 4000 hooked up thru my Flightcom
> 403 intercom. As soon as the EIS powers up, I have a tone that is
> constant. It is maybe 1/4 (very subjective)as loud as the actual
> warning tone(I thought it WAS the warning tone before I set the
> limits on the EIS and heard the actual tone). Any thoughts how to
> get rid of it? I have isolated various audio inputs with a 510K
> resistor before feeding them into the aux audio. I know it is the
> EIS b/c if I power the EIS down, the tone goes away.
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> Thanks,
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<DIV>There's a Grand Rapids Tech. product user group on Yahoo that you can look
up using</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>GRT_EFIS</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's not a EFIS only users group so you can join and ask and EIS question
you want and search the archives for that matter.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lucky</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Pete Howell"
<pete.howell@gecko-group.com> <BR><BR>> --> AeroElectric-List message
posted by: "Pete Howell" <BR>> <PETE.HOWELL@GECKO-GROUP.COM><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> I have the audio output of my EIS 4000 hooked up thru my Flightcom
<BR>> 403 intercom. As soon as the EIS powers up, I have a tone that
is <BR>> constant. It is maybe 1/4 (very subjective)as loud as the actual
<BR>> warning tone(I thought it WAS the warning tone before I set the <BR>>
limits on the EIS and heard the actual tone). Any thoughts how to <BR>>
get rid of it? I have isolated various audio inputs with a 510K <BR>> resistor
before feeding them into the aux audio. I know it is the <BR>> EIS b/c
if I power the EIS down, the tone goes away. <BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>>
<BR>> Pete <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>&g
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
It is a high pitched whine. I think it might be the microprocessor,
as suggested. I'm working with the folks at GRT on it as well.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Giffen Marr" <GAMarr@Charter.Net>
This was posted today on the Air Transport Association daily news flyer. As
you know, ATA is pushing user fees big time. I would think that a better
place to put your comments is with AOPA.
"Airlines urge user fees to fund air traffic control
Major airlines believe the air traffic control system should be funded by a
user-fee system because business jets, like commercial aircraft, take up
space in the sky, no matter how many passengers are on board. And because
only one plane can take off at a time, the system experiences similar
strains from both groups. Such a system would increase fees for business
aircraft, which represent 18% of flights but pay just 5% of Federal Aviation
Administration fees. "We've in effect been subsidizing Lee Raymond of Exxon
Mobil and all these corporate guys flying around," Air Transport Association
President and CEO James May said. The Wall Street Journal (subscription
required)"
Giff Marr
Lancair IVP/20B 48%
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
Sorry for the off-topic question:
Can anyone point me to a source of 1-2" fiberglass insulation with Al foil
on both sides to be used for the roof and sides of the fuselage?
Any suggestions for better insuation (sound and thermal)?
Thanks
Rumen
do not archive
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Talk to Hi-Tech Foams. Aside from foam for seat cushions they also sell
sound insulation foam:
http://www.seatfoam.com/text/ADCproduct.htm
402/470-2346
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Firewall Penatration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
I have been to Bob's site and looked at Bob's Shop Notes:
Getting the wires in while keeping the flames out . . .
Question is : What is the recommended packing material for the sleeve and
where to get these stainless sateel sleeves. Randy
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| Subject: | How do I hook up EIS4000 to the shunts on z-14 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Duane Wilson <aaa@pacifier.com>
I am building and RV9A using the Z-14 diagram as a start. Also
installing EIS-4000. How do I go about getting a load reading from the
shunts into the EIS?
Make your reply really detailed, I am a newbie!!!
Thanks,
Duane
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| Subject: | Firewall Penatration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Try www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Firewall Penatration
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker"
--> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
I have been to Bob's site and looked at Bob's Shop Notes:
Getting the wires in while keeping the flames out . . .
Question is : What is the recommended packing material for the sleeve and
where to get these stainless sateel sleeves. Randy
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Reminds me of chicken..... Buy it by the pound and sell it by the piece.
Then only buy smaller birds... More pieces per pound. They are talking user
fees up this way too. If they want to be totally fair then charge by the
filled seat.... Crew seats included. I figure for less than four seats the
postage would be more than the fees.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Giffen Marr
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 3:21 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: ATC User Fees
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Giffen Marr"
> <GAMarr@Charter.Net>
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> This was posted today on the Air Transport Association daily
> news flyer. As
> you know, ATA is pushing user fees big time. I would think
> that a better
> place to put your comments is with AOPA.
>
> "Airlines urge user fees to fund air traffic control
> Major airlines believe the air traffic control system should
> be funded by a
> user-fee system because business jets, like commercial
> aircraft, take up
> space in the sky, no matter how many passengers are on board.
> And because
> only one plane can take off at a time, the system experiences similar
> strains from both groups. Such a system would increase fees
> for business
> aircraft, which represent 18% of flights but pay just 5% of
> Federal Aviation
> Administration fees. "We've in effect been subsidizing Lee
> Raymond of Exxon
> Mobil and all these corporate guys flying around," Air
> Transport Association
> President and CEO James May said. The Wall Street Journal
> (subscription
> required)"
>
> Giff Marr
> Lancair IVP/20B 48%
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Penatration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Craig thanks for the link. It looks and sounds real good.
Although it looks a little pricey for one little piece of stainless tube
with a bit of sealer and some fire sleve. But looks as though that Bob is
mentioned as an endorser of the product. So it must work. Any comments Bob ?
Also looks as though they have a neat heater tube penetration
valve as well. Which is priced reasonable upon comparison. Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Firewall Penatration
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
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> Try www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html
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> -- Craig
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:47 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Firewall Penatration
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker"
> --> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
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> I have been to Bob's site and looked at Bob's Shop Notes:
> Getting the wires in while keeping the flames out . . .
> Question is : What is the recommended packing material for the sleeve and
> where to get these stainless sateel sleeves. Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Penatration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
I got mine at the local hardware store. Mine was a stainless 90 degree
found in the plumbing dept for sinks.
Cecil
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:47:07 -0500 "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
writes:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker"
> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
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> I have been to Bob's site and looked at Bob's Shop Notes:
> Getting the wires in while keeping the flames out . . .
> Question is : What is the recommended packing material for the
> sleeve and
> where to get these stainless sateel sleeves. Randy
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| Subject: | Chapter 8 Update |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Jones" <djones@northboone.net>
Bob
The reply claims the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Something
special that needs to be done?
Jonesy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
Chapter 8 of the Connection has been updated with the
corrected temperature rise data in the figures. For a
limited time, folks on the List can download and print
a complete replacement for Chapter 8 at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/CH_8/Ch8_R12.pdf
Print odd pages only in reverse order, turn stack over
in printer and print even pages only to get fronts and
backs.
Bob . . .
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< What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
< the authority which determines whether there can be >
< debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
< scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
< with experiment. >
< --Lawrence M. Krauss >
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| Subject: | Firewall Penatration |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Also see here for cabin heat boxes and "plumbing" (Aircraft Spruce carries
their products):
www.aviacompworldwide.com
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Chapter 8 Update |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Hmm, works ok for me right now. Do you have the latest version of Acrobat?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Jones
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Jones"
--> <djones@northboone.net>
Bob
The reply claims the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Something
special that needs to be done?
Jonesy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
Chapter 8 of the Connection has been updated with the corrected temperature
rise data in the figures. For a limited time, folks on the List can download
and print a complete replacement for Chapter 8 at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/CH_8/Ch8_R12.pdf
Print odd pages only in reverse order, turn stack over in printer and print
even pages only to get fronts and backs.
Bob . . .
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< What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
< the authority which determines whether there can be >
< debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
< scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
< with experiment. >
< --Lawrence M. Krauss >
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| Subject: | Re: Chapter 8 Update |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bob McCallum" <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
I received the same "damaged file" error when I first tried to open this,
but now it's working just fine and yes, this is with the Acrobat 7, the
latest version.
Bob McC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Hmm, works ok for me right now. Do you have the latest version of Acrobat?
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
> Jones
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:54 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Jones"
> --> <djones@northboone.net>
>
> Bob
>
> The reply claims the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Something
> special that needs to be done?
>
> Jonesy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
L.
> Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:09 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> Chapter 8 of the Connection has been updated with the corrected
temperature
> rise data in the figures. For a limited time, folks on the List can
download
> and print a complete replacement for Chapter 8 at:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/CH_8/Ch8_R12.pdf
>
> Print odd pages only in reverse order, turn stack over in printer and
print
> even pages only to get fronts and backs.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
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> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
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>
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| Subject: | Chapter 8 Update |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Jones" <djones@northboone.net>
Thanks for the idea. I have the 7.0.7 version. That appears to be the
current version. It still give me the file is damaged message.
Thanks
Jonsey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Payne
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
Hmm, works ok for me right now. Do you have the latest version of Acrobat?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Jones
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis Jones"
--> <djones@northboone.net>
Bob
The reply claims the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Something
special that needs to be done?
Jonesy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Chapter 8 Update
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
Chapter 8 of the Connection has been updated with the corrected temperature
rise data in the figures. For a limited time, folks on the List can download
and print a complete replacement for Chapter 8 at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/CH_8/Ch8_R12.pdf
Print odd pages only in reverse order, turn stack over in printer and print
even pages only to get fronts and backs.
Bob . . .
---------------------------------------------------------
< What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
< the authority which determines whether there can be >
< debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
< scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
< with experiment. >
< --Lawrence M. Krauss >
---------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.
The
complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains AeroElectric-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the AeroElectric-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the AeroElectric-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List ***
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Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be
stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be
forwarded to the List.
Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and
disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible.
Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List,
the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small.
If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it
does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly*
to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific
kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "aeroelectric-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the AeroElectric-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all AeroElectric-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* AeroElectric-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: Chapter 8 Update |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> The reply claims the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Something
> special that needs to be done?
>
> Jonesy
Sometimes a file can get corrupted between the server and your
PC for a variety of reasons. The thing to do is to flush your
browser cache. This is different depending on the browser you
use, but since there is an 80% chance you are using Microsoft
Internet Explorer, here's how you do it:
Tools/Internet Options/General/Delete Files
Also, if you are using MSIE, you may want to consider upgrading
to Mozilla's Firefox. http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
After flushing the cache (or installing Firefox) the transfer
will hopefully work. If not, let me know and I'll be happy to
send it to you.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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