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     1. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: princeton capactive fuel probe  (Noel Loveys)
     2. 05:59 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
     3. 07:48 AM - Re: princeton capactive fuel probe  (Jim Butcher)
     4. 08:10 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Keith Hallsten)
     5. 09:42 AM - 28 V dynamo question (Gilles Thesee)
     6. 09:42 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (John Burnaby)
     7. 10:41 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
     8. 11:15 AM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     9. 11:35 AM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Kelly McMullen)
    10. 11:36 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Mickey Coggins)
    11. 12:06 PM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Brinker)
    12. 12:08 PM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Gilles Thesee)
    13. 12:19 PM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Gilles Thesee)
    14. 12:19 PM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties ()
    15. 12:32 PM - Air Speed Switch (dsvs@comcast.net)
    16. 12:33 PM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Gilles Thesee)
    17. 12:35 PM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Kelly McMullen)
    18. 12:58 PM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Kelly McMullen)
    19. 01:44 PM - Re: 28 V dynamo question (Gilles Thesee)
    20. 01:44 PM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (B Tomm)
    21. 01:54 PM - Re: Air Speed Switch (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
    22. 02:17 PM - Re: Air Speed Switch (dsvs@comcast.net)
    23. 04:06 PM - Re: Air Speed Switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    24. 05:29 PM - Re: Air Speed Switch (dsvs@comcast.net)
    25. 06:54 PM - Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit (James H Nelson)
    26. 07:06 PM - Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? ()
    27. 08:40 PM - Re: Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit (Dale Ensing)
    28. 10:34 PM - Power and audio input jacks (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
    29. 11:06 PM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Gerry Holland)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: princeton capactive fuel probe   | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
      
      Just another reason to fight the booze!
      
      Noel
      
      
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On 
      > Behalf Of Jim Butcher
      > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:08 AM
      > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: princeton capactive fuel probe 
      > 
      > 
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" 
      > <europa@triton.net>
      > 
      > We fitted a Princeton capactive probe in our Europa.  We are 
      > using premiun
      > auto gas.  What we have learned is that
      > ethanol changes the dielectric value a lot which results in 
      > gross errors
      > (inaccurate readings).  The amount of ethanol added by the gasoline
      > distributors seems to vary depending on season of the year (we are in
      > Michigan).
      > 
      > Other Europa owners have noted that aviation gas (100 LL) and 
      > auto fuel have
      > different dielectric values which results in about a 5% error 
      > in reading.
      > What some have done instead of using a capactive probe, is to 
      > fit a gage
      > pressure sensor at the bottom of the tank (or in a line 
      > coming from the
      > bottom) and measure the weight of fuel which is more constant 
      > and isn't
      > affected by the addition of ethanol.   See Level Master at 
      > www.msiusa.com or
      > http://catalog.sensing.honeywell.com and look for 26PCAFB6G 
      > for examples of
      > sensors.
      > 
      > Jim & Heather Butcher
      > Europa XS N241BW
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      Howdy List!
      
      Regarding previous posts about my problems with epanelbuilder:
      
      Bill VonDane has been in touch and it appears epanelbuilder is too much for 
      my slo dial-up connection to handle   But much to his credit he is working to 
      make it more accessible for those of us still in the 20th century.  It really 
      looks like a useful tool, but just not so much for those of us who prefer 
      putting ga$ in our planes instead of the pockets of the Internet mogul$. (sigh)
      
      Maybe one day when I get rich like everybody else, I'll be able to get all that
      
      advertising at breathtaking speed!   8-)
      
      No ill-will intended for epanel, but at least now I know what the problem is- 
      my penny pinching!  8-(
      
      Mark Phillips - do not archive
      
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| Subject:  | Re: princeton capactive fuel probe   | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
      
      Dick,
      
      Thanks for your comments.  I agree the MSI PVC housing is a problem.  I was
      thinking about disassembling the sensor and machining a brass housing.  The
      nice thing about the MSI is that it already has an amplifier so the output
      voltage can go directly into my BMA EFIS.
      
      I think the materials in the Honeywell are OK for gasoline.  I know several
      Europa drivers who have had this installed for over two years with no
      problems.
      
      I'm still trying to decide which way to go.
      
      Jim Butcher
      Europa XS N241BW
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      Mark,
      
      I have a DSL line, so I didn't have the same difficulties you did.  However,
      the site is a little difficult to use.  First, it really doesn't work at all
      until you pay (minimum is $40 for 3 months).  This turns on most of the
      functionality, including the ability to save your project so that you can
      see it and work on it again, or print it out.  
      
      Navigating around the site is a bit odd.  Things don't always work in the
      way a MS Windows user would expect.  Second, there are a few common items
      missing - for example, I can't find any type of Hobbs meter in the
      libraries.  Also, most of the items I am planning to use in my panel are
      missing information (electrical load, weight, cost, etc), so the summary
      pages are pretty much useless.  Nevertheless, it's a pretty quick way to do
      several conceptual layouts of an instrument panel when you are trying to
      decide how to arrange things.  Just remember to "SAVE" before printing or
      closing!
      
      Keith Hallsten
      Planning a Velocity XL panel 			
      			
      			
      Howdy all-
      
      Has anyone had any success using this website:
      
      http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
      
      I've registered, downloaded the required Macromedia app, supposedly started
      a 
      project,  couldn't get any instruments to show in the library (after 
      struggling for 15 minutes to get a panel template to show) and then couldn't
      open
      that 
      project next time I tried, and generally run into more problems than any app
      
      (out of hundreds- this stuff is NOT new to me!) I've ever tried to use
      before.
      
       Then tried to get assistance, been issued "tickets" (what ever happened to 
      customer support via e-mail, fer chrissake!!) and am genuinely frustrated
      and 
      annoyed after over 3 hours for 2 days of trying to accomplish anything.
      Must 
      not be holding my left foot in the correct position or the moon is out of 
      phase.  Anyone else with horror/success stories with this?
      
      Suggestions for alternatives welcome- maybe I'll just go back to AutoCAD and
      
      my previous excellent panel cutting service....
      
      Mark Phillips N51PW
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      
      Hi Bob and all,
      
      A buddy is asking about the Scintilla 28 V 300 W dynamo on his LOM engine.
      Does anyone know of a suitable voltage regulator at a reasonable price ? 
      He says the one on the Moravia website is much too expensive.
      Some builders have suggested connecting the dynamo to the battery direct 
      via a diode, and devise a simple regulator with a transistor and some 
      simple components.
      
      I recall intricate devices with  vibrating coils, shunt and series 
      coils, cutout adjustment, etc.
      Have things become so simple today ?
      
      Any input appreciated,
      
      Regards,
      Gilles Thesee
      Grenoble, France
      http://contrails.free.fr
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      Do Not Archive
      
      Mark, 
      How did the site work for you in demo mode, i.e. before you paid your 
      $39? 
      
      I've been using the demo mode to layout my panel for fun, until I'm 
      ready to committ the $$ and time to make a hardware copy, and it seems 
      to work well. The "ticket" system of communication seems like a solution 
      looking for a problem and is cumbersome. But I found the guy who runs 
      the site (Bill Dane, if memory serves) is responsive, and obviously 
      overworked. The panel I'm using (Glasair FutureVision) was not in the 
      inventory of templates and I emailed the file from Panel Planner to him. 
      It was up on EPanel's site within a day or two and needed only minor 
      tweaks to get to the right scale, which EPanel accomplished quickly.
      
      if EPB worked for you in demo mode, despite limited features, and it 
      stumbles after you subscribed, then I would want to hear some answers 
      from Bill Dane. 
      
      Thanks for the heads-up,
      John
      
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      In a message dated 6/8/06 11:44:47 AM Central Daylight Time, 
      jonlaury@impulse.net writes:
      
      > I've been using the demo mode to layout my panel for fun, until I'm ready 
      > to committ the $$ and time to make a hardware copy, and it seems to work well.
      
      > 
      
      >>>
      Hi John- sounds like you connect at something higher than 49K- my dial-up 
      seems to be the biggest problem- I couldn't even play with the demo except to 
      (finally!) load panel template & got no further- also had not subcribed at the
      
      time...
      
      Mark - Living In The Past & do not archive
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
      
      At 06:39 PM 6/8/2006 +0200, you wrote:
      
      >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee 
      ><Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      >
      >Hi Bob and all,
      >
      >A buddy is asking about the Scintilla 28 V 300 W dynamo on his LOM engine.
      >Does anyone know of a suitable voltage regulator at a reasonable price ? 
      >He says the one on the Moravia website is much too expensive.
      >Some builders have suggested connecting the dynamo to the battery direct 
      >via a diode, and devise a simple regulator with a transistor and some 
      >simple components.
      >
      >I recall intricate devices with  vibrating coils, shunt and series coils, 
      >cutout adjustment, etc.
      >Have things become so simple today ?
      
          The last data I had on the LOM power generation of choice
          showed a classic, wound field generator wired per Figure Z-18
      
          An electro-mechanical regulator for this generator would
          look something like this:
      
      http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Regulators/GenReg_2A.jpg
      
          There ARE solid state replacements for generators but these
          are much more difficult to build than for alternators.
          Generator regulators need reverse current cutout relay
          or diode, current sense and limiting in addition to the
          voltage regulating duties. See chapter 3.
      
          This cannot be done with simple circuitry. Further, the
          generators are generally slower in their response to
          changes in applied field voltage. Regulators tend
          to be more specific to the type of generator while
          alternator regulators generally work with a wide range
          of alternator sizes and brands.
      
          Short answer is that one can PROBABLY craft a suitable
          regulator from pieces and parts but the $time$ invested
          would most certainly exceed the $time$ required to
          purchase the off-the-shelf part. I doubt that any of
          my clients of past years would even consider
          bringing a modern generator regulator to the market.
          The market is too narrow and expenses are breathtaking.
      
          Bob . . .
      
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            < the authority which determines whether there can be   >
            < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >
            < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >
            < with experiment.                                      >
            <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
      
      Quoting "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>:
      
      >>    There ARE solid state replacements for generators but these
      >    are much more difficult to build than for alternators.
      >    Generator regulators need reverse current cutout relay
      >    or diode, current sense and limiting in addition to the
      >    voltage regulating duties. See chapter 3.
      >
      
      Zephtronics makes a very nice generator controller. G1500N off the top  
      of my head. I have one on my Mooney. Rock solid 14.1 V from about 1100  
      rpm up.
      Do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
      
      > ... The "ticket" system of communication seems like a solution 
      > looking for a problem and is cumbersome. 
      
      Done well, the ticket system can be a great help to the
      customers, since it helps keep focus on the problem.  Done
      poorly, it can be a pain.  I don't recall using Bill VonDane's
      system, so I can't comment on it.
      
      -- 
      Mickey Coggins
      http://www.rv8.ch/
      #82007 finishing
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
      
             Bill has been very helpful for me and has added items as I have 
      requested them. The ticket system worked very well for me. Though sometimes 
      it may be a day or so in getting anwsers. No big deal to me I'm not in a 
      hurry. Although beware, the accual size of my panel (Aerocomp C6) vs e-panel 
      was not exactly to scale as I found out. The width and height seemed to jibe 
      I think it was the rounded contours that threw me off.  Bill offered to fix 
      that too but I did'nt think it worth the effort since the program is mainly 
      for preliminary design. And very good it is.  I changed my accual layout 
      after I saw layed out  in the real world as I'm sure most do.
      
      Randy
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
      Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:35 PM
      Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: epanelbuilder.com difficulties
      
      
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins 
      > <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
      >
      >> ... The "ticket" system of communication seems like a solution looking 
      >> for a problem and is cumbersome.
      >
      > Done well, the ticket system can be a great help to the
      > customers, since it helps keep focus on the problem.  Done
      > poorly, it can be a pain.  I don't recall using Bill VonDane's
      > system, so I can't comment on it.
      >
      > -- 
      > Mickey Coggins
      > http://www.rv8.ch/
      > #82007 finishing
      >
      >
      > do not archive
      >
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      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
      > http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      
      Bob,
      
      Thank you for your quick reply.
      >
      >    An electro-mechanical regulator for this generator would
      >    look something like this:
      >
      > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Regulators/GenReg_2A.jpg
      
      That's the beast I encountered years ago on British motorcycles and old 
      Cessna or Piper twins.
      
      >
      >    Short answer is that one can PROBABLY craft a suitable
      >    regulator from pieces and parts but the $time$ invested
      >    would most certainly exceed the $time$ required to
      >    purchase the off-the-shelf part.
       I'll pass on the info to my buddy.
      
      Thanks again,
      Regards,
      Gilles
      http://contrails.free.fr
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      
      Kelly McMullen a crit :
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen 
      > <kellym@aviating.com>
      >
      > Quoting "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>:
      >
      >>>    There ARE solid state replacements for generators but these
      >>    are much more difficult to build than for alternators.
      >>    Generator regulators need reverse current cutout relay
      >>    or diode, current sense and limiting in addition to the
      >>    voltage regulating duties. See chapter 3.
      >>
      >
      > Zephtronics makes a very nice generator controller. G1500N off the top 
      > of my head. I have one on my Mooney. Rock solid 14.1 V from about 1100 
      > rpm up.
      > Do not archive
      >
      >
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
      > http://wiki.matronics.com
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      Cc: Fiveonepw@aol.com
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <sam.marlow@adelphia.net>
      
      I tried to use it, but gave up. It's easier to just have someone download the Van's
      DWG drawing and modify it to suite you needs, and get it cut with a waterjet
      machine. That's what I did after wasting a week trying to use epanelbuilder
      website. FWIW
      Sam
      Engine
      ---- Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: 
      > Howdy all-
      > 
      > Has anyone had any success using this website:
      > 
      > http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
      > 
      > I've registered, downloaded the required Macromedia app, supposedly started a
      
      > project,  couldn't get any instruments to show in the library (after 
      > struggling for 15 minutes to get a panel template to show) and then couldn't
      open that 
      > project next time I tried, and generally run into more problems than any app
      
      > (out of hundreds- this stuff is NOT new to me!) I've ever tried to use before.
      
      >  Then tried to get assistance, been issued "tickets" (what ever happened to 
      > customer support via e-mail, fer chrissake!!) and am genuinely frustrated and
      
      > annoyed after over 3 hours for 2 days of trying to accomplish anything.  Must
      
      > not be holding my left foot in the correct position or the moon is out of 
      > phase.  Anyone else with horror/success stories with this?
      > 
      > Suggestions for alternatives welcome- maybe I'll just go back to AutoCAD and
      
      > my previous excellent panel cutting service....
      > 
      > Mark Phillips N51PW
      > do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Air Speed Switch | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      
      Bob,
      I have asked you for assistance regarding where to get a rpm based switch with
      a timer, as you recomended that I use instead of an airspeed switch.  I noticed
      that you have not been as active on the list as usual so I am asking if you
      got my request, and if you have any information  about where to acquire such a
      switch.  Thanks in advance.  Please do not take this as a complaint, just wondering
      about the lack of response.  Don VS 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      
      Kelly McMullen a crit :
      >
      > Zephtronics makes a very nice generator controller. G1500N off the top 
      > of my head. I have one on my Mooney. Rock solid 14.1 V from about 1100 
      > rpm up.
      Kelly,
      
      Thank you for your reply.
      Please pardon my previous empty message. Must have hit the wrong key.
      
      Would you care to give some further info on your aircraft model, or type 
      of engine, as they are required to search their website ?
      
      Thanks,
      Regards,
      Gilles
      http://contrails.free.fr
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
      
      This might help:
      http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/gencontrolunit.php
      There is a 28V version there.
      
      Quoting Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>:
      
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
      > <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      >
      > Kelly McMullen a crit :
      >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen   
      >> <kellym@aviating.com>
      >>
      >> Quoting "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>:
      >>
      >>>>   There ARE solid state replacements for generators but these
      >>>   are much more difficult to build than for alternators.
      >>>   Generator regulators need reverse current cutout relay
      >>>   or diode, current sense and limiting in addition to the
      >>>   voltage regulating duties. See chapter 3.
      >>>
      >>
      >> Zephtronics makes a very nice generator controller. G1500N off the   
      >> top of my head. I have one on my Mooney. Rock solid 14.1 V from   
      >> about 1100 rpm up.
      >> Do not archive
      >>
      >>
      >>
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      >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
      >> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
      
      Well, I typoed...
      it is www.zeftronics.com
      my aircraft ia '65 Mooney M20E with Lycoming IO360. However it is a  
      14V application.
      The link I sent a few minutes ago has the 28V version, found at  
      Aircraft Spruce.
      
      Quoting Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>:
      
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
      > <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      >
      > Kelly McMullen a crit :
      >>
      >> Zephtronics makes a very nice generator controller. G1500N off the   
      >> top of my head. I have one on my Mooney. Rock solid 14.1 V from   
      >> about 1100 rpm up.
      > Kelly,
      >
      > Thank you for your reply.
      > Please pardon my previous empty message. Must have hit the wrong key.
      >
      > Would you care to give some further info on your aircraft model, or
      > type of engine, as they are required to search their website ?
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Regards,
      > Gilles
      > http://contrails.free.fr
      >
      >
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
      > http://wiki.matronics.com
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 28 V dynamo question | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
      
      Kelly McMullen a crit :
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen 
      > <kellym@aviating.com>
      >
      > Well, I typoed...
      > it is www.zeftronics.com
      > my aircraft ia '65 Mooney M20E with Lycoming IO360. However it is a 
      > 14V application.
      > The link I sent a few minutes ago has the 28V version, found at 
      > Aircraft Spruce.
      >
      
      Kelly,
      
      Thanks for the info.
      
      Regards,
      Gilles
      http://contrails.free.fr
      
      
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| Subject:  | epanelbuilder.com difficulties | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
      
      I agree,
      
      I had mine done by "affordablepanels.com" .  Fabian was very good and the
      products are first rate and prices were some of the best.
      
      Bevan
      RV7A finish kit 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      sam.marlow@adelphia.net
      Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:16 PM
      Cc: Fiveonepw@aol.com
      Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: epanelbuilder.com difficulties
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <sam.marlow@adelphia.net>
      
      I tried to use it, but gave up. It's easier to just have someone download
      the Van's DWG drawing and modify it to suite you needs, and get it cut with
      a waterjet machine. That's what I did after wasting a week trying to use
      epanelbuilder website. FWIW Sam Engine
      ---- Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: 
      > Howdy all-
      > 
      > Has anyone had any success using this website:
      > 
      > http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
      > 
      > I've registered, downloaded the required Macromedia app, supposedly 
      > started a project,  couldn't get any instruments to show in the 
      > library (after struggling for 15 minutes to get a panel template to 
      > show) and then couldn't open that project next time I tried, and 
      > generally run into more problems than any app (out of hundreds- this stuff
      is NOT new to me!) I've ever tried to use before.
      >  Then tried to get assistance, been issued "tickets" (what ever 
      > happened to customer support via e-mail, fer chrissake!!) and am 
      > genuinely frustrated and annoyed after over 3 hours for 2 days of 
      > trying to accomplish anything.  Must not be holding my left foot in 
      > the correct position or the moon is out of phase.  Anyone else with
      horror/success stories with this?
      > 
      > Suggestions for alternatives welcome- maybe I'll just go back to 
      > AutoCAD and my previous excellent panel cutting service....
      > 
      > Mark Phillips N51PW
      > do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Air Speed Switch | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
      
      
      Aircraft Extras will sell you an airspeed switch separately from their
      Flap protection system if you want:
      http://www.aircraftextras.com/RelaySpeedCont1.htm 
      
      I bought one for my TCAD  .  .  .
      
      TDT
      RV-10 40025
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      dsvs@comcast.net
      Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:29 PM
      Subject: AeroElectric-List: Air Speed Switch
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      
      Bob,
      I have asked you for assistance regarding where to get a rpm based
      switch with a timer, as you recomended that I use instead of an airspeed
      switch.  I noticed that you have not been as active on the list as usual
      so I am asking if you got my request, and if you have any information
      about where to acquire such a switch.  Thanks in advance.  Please do not
      take this as a complaint, just wondering about the lack of response.
      Don VS 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Air Speed Switch | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      
      Thanks Tim,
      I am looking for a much lower set point.  Bob suggested an RPM switch and I am
      trying to find out if he knows where to buy the device that he recommended
       -------------- Original message ----------------------
      From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" 
      > <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
      > 
      > 
      > Aircraft Extras will sell you an airspeed switch separately from their
      > Flap protection system if you want:
      > http://www.aircraftextras.com/RelaySpeedCont1.htm 
      > 
      > I bought one for my TCAD  .  .  .
      > 
      > TDT
      > RV-10 40025
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      > dsvs@comcast.net
      > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:29 PM
      > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Air Speed Switch
      > 
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      > 
      > Bob,
      > I have asked you for assistance regarding where to get a rpm based
      > switch with a timer, as you recomended that I use instead of an airspeed
      > switch.  I noticed that you have not been as active on the list as usual
      > so I am asking if you got my request, and if you have any information
      > about where to acquire such a switch.  Thanks in advance.  Please do not
      > take this as a complaint, just wondering about the lack of response.
      > Don VS 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      >  
      >  
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| Subject:  | Re: Air Speed Switch | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
      
      At 07:29 PM 6/8/2006 +0000, you wrote:
      
      >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      >
      >Bob,
      >I have asked you for assistance regarding where to get a rpm based switch 
      >with a timer, as you recomended that I use instead of an airspeed 
      >switch.  I noticed that you have not been as active on the list as usual 
      >so I am asking if you got my request, and if you have any 
      >information  about where to acquire such a switch.  Thanks in 
      >advance.  Please do not take this as a complaint, just wondering about the 
      >lack of response.  Don VS \
      
         Sorry for the delay. I've been tied up with a big
         certification fire-fight. It's really limited the time
         I can spend doing fun things. Should be over this weekend.
      
         I don't know of any commercial devices. I have a kind of
         generic etched circuit board that carries a little 8-pin
         micro-controller and some general purpose input-output
         pins.
      
         My program guy could teach a chip to do a tach signal interpretation
         and close a circuit when the signal stays above 1500 rpm
         for 30 seconds. There are probably others on the List who
         could do this too.
      
         I'm wondering how much interest there would be for such
         a device. It would take quite a bit of high-talent time
         for a one-of-a-kind project.
      
         Bob . . .
      
      
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
            < the authority which determines whether there can be   >
            < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >
            < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >
            < with experiment.                                      >
            <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >
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| Subject:  | Re: Air Speed Switch | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      
      
       -------------- Original message ----------------------
      From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
      > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" 
      > <nuckollsr@cox.net>
      > 
      > At 07:29 PM 6/8/2006 +0000, you wrote:
      > 
      > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
      > >
      > >Bob,
      > >I have asked you for assistance regarding where to get a rpm based switch 
      > >with a timer, as you recomended that I use instead of an airspeed 
      > >switch.  I noticed that you have not been as active on the list as usual 
      > >so I am asking if you got my request, and if you have any 
      > >information  about where to acquire such a switch.  Thanks in 
      > >advance.  Please do not take this as a complaint, just wondering about the 
      > >lack of response.  Don VS \
      > 
      >    Sorry for the delay. I've been tied up with a big
      >    certification fire-fight. It's really limited the time
      >    I can spend doing fun things. Should be over this weekend.
      > 
      >    I don't know of any commercial devices. I have a kind of
      >    generic etched circuit board that carries a little 8-pin
      >    micro-controller and some general purpose input-output
      >    pins.
      > 
      >    My program guy could teach a chip to do a tach signal interpretation
      >    and close a circuit when the signal stays above 1500 rpm
      >    for 30 seconds. There are probably others on the List who
      >    could do this too.
      > 
      >    I'm wondering how much interest there would be for such
      >    a device. It would take quite a bit of high-talent time
      >    for a one-of-a-kind project.
      > 
      >    Bob . . .
      > 
      > 
      Bob,
      Thanks for the response.  I can't venture a guess as to the desire for such a device.
      In rv's the only use I can think of is to turn on/off avionics that are
      normally switched by sqat switches or the like in the certified world.  With
      the decreased price of tcad units there may be more demand soon??  I am not in
      a rush, but, I am interested in an electronic version of this switch. Please
      let me know if you get a chance to look at this a little deeper.  Thanks.  Don
      VS
      >       ---------------------------------------------------------
      >       < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
      >       < the authority which determines whether there can be   >
      >       < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >
      >       < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >
      >       < with experiment.                                      >
      >       <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >
      >       ---------------------------------------------------------
      > 
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| Subject:  | Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery   Box Misfit | 
      
      Hi Bob,
              I took a few pix of the mod to the battery box.  This should give
      you the idea on how it goes together.  My first attempt tried to get the
      whole "other" battery into the box.  However, the Panasonic does not have
      the little ridge around the top which holds the battery about 1/4" up
      from the bottom.  I will file that ridge off the generic battery so it
      will go all the way to the bottom.  Then again, I might put a spacer in
      the bottom to take up that space.  I'm not in favor of trimming the
      little flange around the top of the "other" battery.  It seems to be
      where the top and bottom come together.  What is your thought on trimming
      or spacing for that little protrusion?
      
      
      Jim Nelson
      
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| Subject:  | Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
      
      I had a chart a while back (can't find) that showed in detail what could
      be put together and what not to put together if you wanted to have a good
      chance at not creating dissimilar metal corrosion.
      
      Anyone have one or know where to get one?
      
      Ron Parigoris
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery   Box Misfit | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
      
      Please reduce the size of the pictures you attach. Thank you.
      Dale
      
      
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| Subject:  | Power and audio input jacks | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
      
      I'm taking a poll:
      
      What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?  I
      am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter
      plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a second
      source as well.  Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette lighter
      plug?
      
      Audio input jacks for my stereo audio panel...again what is the most popular
      style of stereo plug used in portable electronics today?  I'm guessing it's
      the mini plug like that used on computer speakers but not sure.  
      
      Dean Psiropoulos
      RV-6A N197DM
      Still a few holes needed in panel.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Power and audio input jacks | 
      
      --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
      
      Dean Hi! From UK
      
      I have standard Cigarette Lighter type 12V Auxiliary. May put another in or
      with care use dual input adapter occasionally. The people I know who have
      fitted the very neat 12V socket have always had to make up an adapter to the
      12V auxiliary type! I've limited my in-line fuse to 3 Amps.
      
      For audio into Intercom I using the mini plug and socket. Works really well
      into my PS 500.
      
      Regards
      
      Gerry
      
      G-FIZY
      
      
 
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