---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/09/06: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:34 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Brett Ferrell) 2. 04:47 AM - Re: Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 05:04 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Brian Lloyd) 4. 05:14 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 05:18 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Harley) 6. 05:25 AM - Re: Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit (rd2@evenlink.com) 7. 05:28 AM - Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 05:35 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Harley) 9. 06:10 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (John Schroeder) 10. 07:28 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (John Burnaby) 11. 07:51 AM - Re: Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? (Rob Housman) 12. 08:01 AM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (PWilson) 13. 08:12 AM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Dj Merrill) 14. 09:43 AM - Antenna for hand-held transceiver on panel (Craig Payne) 15. 01:14 PM - Re: Second battery in a TC aircraft (Mark Carey) 16. 01:33 PM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Ernie & Margo) 17. 02:22 PM - Re: Power and audio input jacks (Rob Housman) 18. 05:51 PM - Re: Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:58 AM PST US From: "Brett Ferrell" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brett Ferrell" Where'd you find a bulkhead-style plug? I"m having trouble locating one. Brett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:03 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > > > Dean Hi! From UK > > I have standard Cigarette Lighter type 12V Auxiliary. May put another in > or > with care use dual input adapter occasionally. The people I know who have > fitted the very neat 12V socket have always had to make up an adapter to > the > 12V auxiliary type! I've limited my in-line fuse to 3 Amps. > > For audio into Intercom I using the mini plug and socket. Works really > well > into my PS 500. > > Regards > > Gerry > > G-FIZY > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:28 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 02:02 AM 6/9/2006 +0000, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > >I had a chart a while back (can't find) that showed in detail what could >be put together and what not to put together if you wanted to have a good >chance at not creating dissimilar metal corrosion. > >Anyone have one or know where to get one? > >Ron Parigoris See http://www.reliability.com/articles/guest_article03.htm In the table about half way down is a list of various materials. The further apart on the list, the stronger the galvanic potential between the materials that encourages corrosion. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:54 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Jun 9, 2006, at 12:26 AM, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > I'm taking a poll: > > What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics > today? The most popular and generally available is the cigarette lighter plug but it is big and bulky, a real waste of real estate. But if you go away from that you are no longer standard. But if that doesn't concern you then you can pick and choose. In the ham radio world there are some ideas. Take a look at the power distribution stuff from West Mountain Radio. Very nicely done for being able to plug and unplug 12VDC devices. They fit well with Bob's view of power distribution. They even have a neat little module for cycle testing batteries for capacity. Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:59 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Consider these parts also available from Radio Shack . . . http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/274-010.jpg http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/274-013.jpg and http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/hh_pwr.jpg Bob . . . At 12:48 AM 6/9/2006 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" > > > >> What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today? > >I worried about the same problem as I designed my panel. The funny thing >about the small DC coaxial power jacks (like Radio Shack's 274-1563) is that >they are designed for the device receiving the power, not sourcing it. There >is the center post, a gap and the surrounding metal ring. There is not much >to prevent a stray piece of metal bridging the two contacts. What you want >is something like a panel-mounted version of the plugs at the end of the >cords on your typical AC adapter/brick. But then you would still need a cord >to go from the panel to the accessory. And there are a lot of different >outside and inside diameters: 3.5/1.1mm, 5mm/2.1mm, 5/2.5mm, 5.5/2.1mm, >5.5/2.5mm, etc. > >The biggest problem with the cigarette lighter outlet is their size. So you >could consider placing a smaller connector on the panel whose plug would run >off to an in-line (cord-mounted) lighter outlet. But some of the things that >plug into a lighter outlet are relatively heavy. So the panel connector you >choose had better be fairly robust and lock the plug in - something like a >female version of Radio Shack's 274-002 (if it existed). > >In the end I bit the bullet and just found room for two lighter outlets. If >you want a pair of very high quality, locking lighter outlet and plugs take >a look at the SEALINK 12VRC and 12VPG: > >http://www.marinco.com/docs/specs/12VRC.pdf > >The whole product line is at http://tinyurl.com/pcxl4 > >You can buy these at Del City (www.delcity.net) as PN 73540 and 73542: > >http://www.delcity.net/delcity/servlet/catalog?parentid=789160&page=1 > >(tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/mdfxc) > >Or just Google on "sealink 12vrc" > >-- Craig > > >-- > > >-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:07 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks Thanks, for the link, Mickey... Now that's what I'm talking about! Not quite like the RX-8s, but I like 'em! I knew there had to be something out there I liked. They are smaller than the traditional cigarette socket/plug (which is a good thing for our aircraft, no?), but they also have adapters so you can plug your cigarette lighter plug accessories into their power plugs and not have to wire one of their plugs onto the accessory and then not be able to use it elsewhere! They also have these that are all aluminum for $30: Looks like they are my choice. And you can buy just replacement caps of the one you showed below for $3 if needed|! Go to this page and click on the items in the picture to see all the possible hookups and combinations. www.powerletproducts.com/products/ptb.php Again, nice find, Mickey...These guys think the way I do! Harley Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mickey Coggins wrote: > DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: >> What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics >> today? I >> am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette >> lighter >> plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a >> second >> source as well. 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Thank you Rumen do not archive _____________________Original message __________________________ (received from Dale Ensing; Date: 11:36 PM 6/8/2006 -0400) ________________________________________________________________ --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" Please reduce the size of the pictures you attach. Thank you. Dale ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:21 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 09:44 PM 6/8/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > I took a few pix of the mod to the battery box. This should give >you the idea on how it goes together. My first attempt tried to get the >whole "other" battery into the box. However, the Panasonic does not have >the little ridge around the top which holds the battery about 1/4" up >from the bottom. I will file that ridge off the generic battery so it >will go all the way to the bottom. Then again, I might put a spacer in >the bottom to take up that space. I'm not in favor of trimming the >little flange around the top of the "other" battery. It seems to be >where the top and bottom come together. What is your thought on trimming >or spacing for that little protrusion? I've posted your pictures at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Battery/RV_Battery_Box It's unfortunate that the original sizing of this box was so tight as to be brand specific as to what would fit inside. There's nothing wrong with allowing generous clearance around the sides and then slipping a corrugated cardboard "shims" in to take out the rattle. Trimming the battery case as you've described is probably going to be okay too. For others who have yet to fabricate battery installation provisions, keep in mind that RG batteries don't need a box. You can capture the battery's footprint in a shallow tray . . . sides perhaps 1/2" deep and strap the battery into the tray with some simple retention of sheet metal or even nylon webbing. I note further that your battery of choice is not Panasonic. The treaded posts for attaching fat wires offers some challenges. Certainly go to these posts with 4AWG welding cable fitted with terminals that are close fit to the screw threads. Torque pretty snug and safety wire screw head if possible. These are pretty dinky posts and fastener sizes for this application. They can be made to work but I'd suggest some extra attention to make-up for joint integrity. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:43 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks A little further research on their site shows they also have right angle plugs...another good idea! And if you ABSOLUTELY want to have a device usable in both types of sockets, there is a plug that fits both the cigarette lighter and theirs for $15: Looks like they can supply a means to hook up or adapt anything you want. Good site! (And, no.,..I don't have an association with them...just like the ideas!) Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Harley wrote: > Thanks, for the link, Mickey... > > Now that's what I'm talking about! Not quite like the RX-8s, but I > like 'em! I knew there had to be something out there I liked. > > They are smaller than the traditional cigarette socket/plug (which is > a good thing for our aircraft, no?), but they also have adapters so > you can plug your cigarette lighter plug accessories into their power > plugs and not have to wire one of their plugs onto the accessory and > then not be able to use it elsewhere! > > Looks like they are my choice. > > Go to this page and click on the items in the picture to see all the > possible hookups and combinations. > > www.powerletproducts.com/products/ptb.php > > Again, nice find, Mickey...These guys think the way I do! > > Harley Dixon > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks From: "John Schroeder" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" Dean - Based on a whole bunch of wall-warts, cables, and power supplies I have around here - and after wiring our airplane, I would recommend using the "cigar lighter" type for your power jacks. All cars have them and most electronics that have DC sources and made for cars use this type. You can always get them. I know, they look like hell and are too big, but until the auto/electronics industry start producing another kind, I'd stick with those. There is a standard being used on most new airliners these days but the jacks and plugs are harder to find. Again, when the electronics industry starts producing the plugs and/or adaptors in quantity ... . Cheers, John On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:26:20 -0400, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > I'm taking a poll: > > What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today? > I > am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter > plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a > second > source as well. Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette > lighter > plug? > > Audio input jacks for my stereo audio panel...again what is the most > popular > style of stereo plug used in portable electronics today? I'm guessing > it's > the mini plug like that used on computer speakers but not sure. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Still a few holes needed in panel. > > -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:38 AM PST US From: "John Burnaby" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: epanelbuilder.com difficulties Do Not Archive Mark, re dial-up, I live in the stix and dealt with dial up until I couldn't stand it anymore. Researched satellite and found it too expensive. Discovered a local ISP who had a repeater antenna atop a local mountain that could beam wireless service to me at around 400 kbps for $40/month. Had to put up my own antenna (hole in the ground for "donated" old PG&E pole). When I turned it on, I felt like a cave man butchering the velociraptor and getting into a Corvette. After 18 months, still giggling everytime I go online. John ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:08 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" ...but don't forget that the anode still corrodes. Best regards, Rob Housman A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:43 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dissimilar metal corrosion chart? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 02:02 AM 6/9/2006 +0000, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > >I had a chart a while back (can't find) that showed in detail what could >be put together and what not to put together if you wanted to have a good >chance at not creating dissimilar metal corrosion. > >Anyone have one or know where to get one? > >Ron Parigoris See http://www.reliability.com/articles/guest_article03.htm In the table about half way down is a list of various materials. The further apart on the list, the stronger the galvanic potential between the materials that encourages corrosion. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:18 AM PST US From: PWilson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PWilson Be aware that the auto store cig lighter receptacles come in various non standard sizes. Expect to buy several brands to fit your gadget securely. The bad ones are oversized so small vibrations cause the thing to become disconnected. Some gadgets came with a plastic sleeve to allow fit for an oversized receptacle you might buy. The sometimes work, but not always. Sometimes just buying a new end for your gadget will allow a better fit. Lots of pitfalls using these things. Regards, Paul ============================ At 07:05 AM 6/9/2006, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" > > >Dean - > >Based on a whole bunch of wall-warts, cables, and power supplies I have >around here - and after wiring our airplane, I would recommend using the >"cigar lighter" type for your power jacks. All cars have them and most >electronics that have DC sources and made for cars use this type. You can >always get them. I know, they look like hell and are too big, but until >the auto/electronics industry start producing another kind, I'd stick with >those. There is a standard being used on most new airliners these days but >the jacks and plugs are harder to find. Again, when the electronics >industry starts producing the plugs and/or adaptors in quantity ... . > >Cheers, > >John > > >On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:26:20 -0400, DEAN PSIROPOULOS > wrote: > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >> >> >>I'm taking a poll: >> >>What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today? >>I >>am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter >>plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a >>second >>source as well. Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette >>lighter >>plug? >> >>Audio input jacks for my stereo audio panel...again what is the most >>popular >>style of stereo plug used in portable electronics today? I'm guessing >>it's >>the mini plug like that used on computer speakers but not sure. >> >>Dean Psiropoulos >>RV-6A N197DM >>Still a few holes needed in panel. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: epanelbuilder.com difficulties From: Dj Merrill --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Mickey Coggins wrote: > > Done well, the ticket system can be a great help to the > customers, since it helps keep focus on the problem. Done > poorly, it can be a pain. I don't recall using Bill VonDane's > system, so I can't comment on it. > We implemented a ticketing system at work for our computer support, and quite frankly it has been a godsend. Much easier to keep track of things and ensure a consistent communication chain with history for everyone here. If you forget, all you have to do is go look at the ticket instead of trying to track through hundreds of e-mails or little post-it notes from phone conversations. Things have drastically improved. -Dj do not archive -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:48 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Antenna for hand-held transceiver on panel --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Like a lot of people I'm saving space on my panel to hang a hand-held transceiver as a back-up radio. The question is what to do about the antenna. The simple approach would be to just mount it such that the rubber ducky antenna sits almost entirely above the glare shield. How well does that work in terms of transmission and receiving performance? Alternatively I'd wire the antenna to the main radio such that the lead could be switched to the BNC on the top of the hand-held. So far the simplest design (and the one with the least RF loss) that I can think of would be a female BNC bulkhead connector which leads to the panel radio. The lead from the antenna would end in a short pigtail of coax with a male BNC connector. To switch radios you would move the pigtail from the BNC bulkhead to the BNC on the top of the hand-held. Note that to minimize losses the bulkhead connector would not be the type with a BNC female on both sides of the panel. Instead the side inside of the panel crimps directly on to the coax (Digikey ACX1032-ND, Amphenol 112505). Most of these ideas come from http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/commtap/commtap.html Comments? What other approaches have others taken? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:10 PM PST US From: "Mark Carey" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Second battery in a TC aircraft --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Carey" Bob: I installed a single No. 2 positive wire from the firewall to the tail in my RV10. I have dual alternators (40 and 20 A B&C) and dual batteries. The alternators both feed to the firewall connection with 40 amp in-line fuses. I am using the No. 2 to charge both batteries and have installed a diode to allow the standby battery to charge while not allowing it to discharge unless the standby contactor is closed. You said you don't recommend diodes but it appears you have one shown in Z-14. Your diode appears to allow the standby alt. to charge the main battery whereas the diode I have in mind charges the standby battery. Any thoughts?? >From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Second battery in a TC aircraft >Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:02:03 -0500 > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > > >At 10:36 AM 6/1/2006 -1000, you wrote: > >Bob, > > > >Please note the two attached drawings (and also please excuse my style). > > > >I have a Republic Seabee, and I want a dual battery system with the >second battery being always hot, feeding the Hot Battery Bus through a >circuit breaker. The purpose of this battery is to provide power for >things like bilge pumps, anchor light, clocks, and occasionally a GPS >(which has an anchor dragging alarm) without creating the possibility of >discharging the main starting battery. > > > >I have a single alternator (B&S) that I would like to use to charge both >batteries through a battery charging isolator. > > > >I might also add a battery parallel switch to allow the hot battery to >serve as a backup battery, but since it is the one that is most likely to >run down, I may eliminate that concept, at least until I gain some >experience. > > > >My question for you is: Do you see any regulatory, operational, or >electrical problems with this arrangement? I think it should work well, >though I don't know if the FAA has any opinions on battery isolator diodes. > > > >Both batteries are Odyssey PC 1200s of about 40 AH rating. > > > Don't make this any more complicated than it needs to be. You'll have > to get a 337 approval for the installation of the second battery. FAA > will have no heartburn about the second battery but you'll want your > 337 to touch on structural, and crash safety issues. > > I don't recommend diodes. Just add a second battery to the system > with it's own battery contactor. You can use either or both batteries > for cranking. The battery bus for the second battery can run gizmos > cited in your note as long as each gizmo is under 5A. This is the > largest always-hot wire the FAA blesses under their rule-of-thumb > for max size of protected wire for crash safety. If you can get > a fuse-block blessed . . . so much the better. Fuses are MUCH faster > and therefore safer than breakers. > > Battery bus for second battery needs to be mounted right at the > battery . . . so fuse-blocks work out well. > > Here's a Shop Note on dual battery installation in all metal > airplanes. > >http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Battery_Grounds/Battery_Grounds.html > > Second battery is wired per Z-30 of > >http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11G.pdf > > I've helped a half dozen or so folks install this same system in > things like C-206 on floats. We put the second battery right on > the aircraft CG inside one of the floats. Kept the battery from > using up fuselage volume and simplified crash safety issues. > > I wish I could point you to a completed 337 for guidance > but all the installations I worked were for missionaries > and other bush operations in S. America. One pretty much > accomplishes what's necessary to their airplane without > government impediments. > > Bob . . . > > ----------------------------------------- > ( Experience and common sense cannot be ) > ( replaced with policy and procedures. ) > ( R. L. Nuckolls III ) > ----------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:45 PM PST US From: "Ernie & Margo" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ernie & Margo" Listers: I have purchased three 12V Socketd from ACS Part# 30-12658. I am very pleased. They seem to make a tight fit, won't corrrode (stainless steel) - and they won't allow the insertion of a real cigarette lighter. They also have a rubber plug to flip closed when not in use, for a flush mounting on the pretty side of the panel. Looks good. Ernie RV-9A C-GKEL > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PWilson > Be aware that the auto store cig lighter receptacles come in various non > standard sizes. Expect to buy several brands to fit your gadget securely. > The bad ones are oversized so small vibrations cause the thing to become > disconnected. Some gadgets came with a plastic sleeve to allow fit for an > oversized receptacle you might buy. The sometimes work, but not always. > Sometimes just buying a new end for your gadget will allow a better fit. > Lots of pitfalls using these things. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:47 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" The correct (searchable) ACS part number is 11-01294 Best regards, Rob Housman A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie & Margo Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Power and audio input jacks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ernie & Margo" Listers: I have purchased three 12V Socketd from ACS Part# 30-12658. I am very pleased. They seem to make a tight fit, won't corrrode (stainless steel) - and they won't allow the insertion of a real cigarette lighter. They also have a rubber plug to flip closed when not in use, for a flush mounting on the pretty side of the panel. Looks good. Ernie RV-9A C-GKEL > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PWilson > Be aware that the auto store cig lighter receptacles come in various non > standard sizes. Expect to buy several brands to fit your gadget securely. > The bad ones are oversized so small vibrations cause the thing to become > disconnected. Some gadgets came with a plastic sleeve to allow fit for an > oversized receptacle you might buy. The sometimes work, but not always. > Sometimes just buying a new end for your gadget will allow a better fit. > Lots of pitfalls using these things. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:28 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panasonic LC-RD1217P and Van's Battery Box Misfit Cc: Dale Ensing --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dale, You took the words right out of my mouth. Kent Do Not Archive ---- Dale Ensing wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > > Please reduce the size of the pictures you attach. Thank you. > Dale > > > > > > > > > > >