---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/01/06: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - Radio noise/interference (Bob Verwey) 2. 04:58 AM - Installation Location of LR3C regulator (John McMahon) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: Installation Location of LR3C regulator (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Antenna Connections (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: Starter switch for LASAR ignition (Dale Ensing) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: Installation Location of LR3C regulator (Dennis Haverlah) 7. 09:37 AM - electrical system for review and critique (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com) 8. 10:27 AM - Re: Installation Location of LR3C regulator (Ralph E. Capen) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Installation Location of LR3C regulator (Brian Lloyd) 10. 11:26 AM - Re: Radio noise/interference (Brian Lloyd) 11. 11:28 AM - Re: Installation Location of LR3C regulator (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 12. 04:33 PM - Re: electrical system for review and critique (John Swartout) 13. 05:31 PM - Starter Switch for LASAR ignition (PeterHunt1@aol.com) 14. 06:47 PM - Re: electrical system for review and critique (Ken) 15. 07:39 PM - Re: electrical system for review and critique (Paul Messinger) 16. 08:17 PM - Re: electrical system for review and critique (John Swartout) 17. 09:52 PM - Re: Installation Location of LR3C regulator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 18. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: STC for standby generator on a (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 19. 11:36 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) 20. 11:36 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:17 AM PST US From: "Bob Verwey " Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio noise/interference Good day listers. I normally lurk on the Beech list but this query is far more suited to this forum! I fly a 1949 A35 Bonanza with an IO 470 engine and two Becker radios. I have had endless problems with interference. There is a loud "ticking" noise about 3 times per second when I hear someone else transmit. I have had the alternator overhauled,(suspected diode problem) the regulator changed, relocated the alternator wires inside the cockpit together with the relevant circuit breakers to the far left of the panel (radios on RHS), wired the radio power wire direct to the battery, rerouted the antenna wires and fitted a suppressor to the B terminal. There is also a wining noise audible as soon as the Alt Field is switched on, usually at low RPM. This corresponds with the flicking of the Ampmeter needle as the regulator cuts in and out. Any suggestions appreciated! Regards Bob Verwey A35 ZU-DLW ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:50 AM PST US From: "John McMahon" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator Have any of you put the B & C regulator on the back side of the firewall as suggested on the installation sheet? Lancair mounted mine on the front side. They seem to operate just fine no matter where they are. How important to longevity is the location? Comments Bob??? or anyone! Thanks in advance... -- John McMahon Lancair Super ES, N9637M ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:13 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:15 AM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Antenna Connections --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 7/31/06 12:09:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pilotx2@zianet.com writes: > Sorry, all the info would help huh, It is a Garmin GMA340 audio panel. I > wasn't sure how to connect RG-58 directly to the panel since the pins are too > small. I thought about connecting a wire to the shield just like every other > shielded wire, but wondered if there was a better way. > I saw the small antenna lead on the old Nav 12 and wondered if that was > coax or just shielded wire. It sure would work nice if it is available. > Thanks > Don =============================================== Don: I could not find the pin out of the Garmin GMA 340. If you have it you will find the edge connector pins that are used for the antenna input. Just parallel up a short piece of coax to those pins and you will in business. Yes, you could use braided wire for flexibility but coax would also work. Just after you solder onto the edge connector secure the coax (or any wire) to the bundle. Don. I'm using the term edge connector but I'm not sure what type of connector is being used on the GMA 340. Oh, if you wish you can install an inline female BNC for easy removal and testing. As for the NAV 12, that is coax. Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:48 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Starter switch for LASAR ignition Starter switch for LASAR ignitionKeith, To my knowledge the LASAR will operate (start the engine) if the engine is already in motion before the ign. is turned on. However, if you try to start on only one mag the LASAR will go into backup mode and will not go to automatic mode for 30 seconds. In backup mode the LASAR mags have no provision for providing for boosted spark energy. So, unless you have one of the newer systems with one impulse mag (my 1999 vintage system does not) the LASAR must be windmilled to over 500 RPM to start in the backup mode. That is how in-flight restarts are accomplished. And when you do a mag check the system will remain in back up mode for 30 seconds before returning to the automatic mode. Also, I hope you have the optional system with the cockpit enunciator light. I like to know the system is working properly. It helps for the piece of mind. Dale Ensing ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hallsten To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Starter switch for LASAR ignition Does anyone know whether there would be a problem using a separate starter push button with a LASAR electronic ignition? All of Unison Industries' documentation shows the classic "OFF - LEFT - RIGHT - BOTH - START" keyswitch, but I would rather have the option to get the engine turning before firing up the ignition. I don't know if the LASAR will be happy starting on only one ignition, or coming alive when the engine is already moving. I bought a starter pushbutton form B&C a few years ago, before I was committed to the LASAR ignition, and I'd still like to use it. Keith Hallsten Velocity XLFG, N585V (reserved) Roseville, CA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:43 AM PST US From: Dennis Haverlah Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator I am planning on mounting my Ford voltage regulator on the engine side of the firewall next to the battery. The regulator is temperature compensating so I felt it should be at the same temperature as the battery. I'm I incorrect? Dennis H. Ralph E. Capen wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > I put both my primary and secondary regulators on the 'back' side of > the firewall. I added a second rudder pedal support and built a shelf > across the two to mount both of them. > > It minimizes the length of the wiring runs. > It minimizes through firewall wiring penetrations (to one wire for > each regulator). > It places them further aft for CG purposes. > It allows for inspection/replacement without removing the cowl. > > Pictures if you want them - contact me directly, > Ralph Capen > RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Getting ready to close up fwd topskin..... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John McMahon > Sent: Aug 1, 2006 7:53 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator > > > Have any of you put the B & C regulator on the back side of the > firewall as suggested on the installation sheet? Lancair mounted > mine on the front side. They seem to operate just fine no matter > where they are. How important to longevity is the location? > Comments Bob??? or anyone! Thanks in advance... > > > -- > John McMahon > Lancair Super ES, N9637M > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: electrical system for review and critique --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Hey again John I checked the archives regarding your reference on the 60 amp fuse - I dont think you are interpreting this quite right. The original post was not really about Z-13, but a modified starter set-up that had been suggested. Also, the MAX 60 fuse is something different than an ANL current limiter - check out the link posted in Bob's reply from the archives: http://www.bussmann.com/shared/library/catalogs/Buss_Auto-Fuse_Cat.pdf I cant provide a direct reference - probably something from the AeroElectric FAQ files - but I still think that the ANL40 is pretty robust fuse and is fine with the 40 amp alternator. Somebody please correct me if Im full of it. Erich Weaver ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:47 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:47 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Dennis Haverlah wrote: > I am planning on mounting my Ford voltage regulator on the engine > side of the firewall next to the battery. The regulator is > temperature compensating so I felt it should be at the same > temperature as the battery. I'm I incorrect? No. Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:10 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio noise/interference --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Aug 1, 2006, at 6:36 AM, Bob Verwey wrote: > There is a loud ticking noise about 3 times per second when I > hear someone else transmit. It is hard to troubleshoot things we can't hear for ourselves. Here are some additional questions: 1. Does the ticking change with changes in the engine speed? 2. Does the ticking correspond to the flickering of your ammeter? The whine may mean that you have one or more diodes out in the alternator but I suspect something else. Do you have an intercom? When you unplug all your mics do the noises get less or disappear? Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:53 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator In a message dated 08/01/2006 11:30:33 AM Central Daylight Time, clouduster@austin.rr.com writes: I am planning on mounting my Ford voltage regulator on the engine side of the firewall next to the battery. The regulator is temperature compensating so I felt it should be at the same temperature as the battery. I'm I incorrect? >>> Pretty much what I did- original $10 unit from Advance Auto Parts has performed well here for 340 hrs & 2.5 yrs. See: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7264 Click on foto for larger view. "Battery box" is .063 angles attached to firewall, .040 side plates and front cover strap which is attached to side plates with hinges. Regulator is bolted to front cover with ground wire to firewall. Mark Phillips ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:13 PM PST US From: "John Swartout" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: electrical system for review and critique --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Swartout" Hi Erich, I see your point, but I think the archived post is applicable, because if you read the thread that comes up if you type "MAX60" into the archive search window, it is all about using Z-22, which is one of the modifications I have made to Z-13/8. You're right, the MAXI fuses are not the same as ANL current limiters; I haven't been able to find anything other than the post cited to indicate the proper size for the protection device, whether MAXI or ANL. I think the point of using a MAXI fuse & holder was that they're cheaper than an ANL current limiter. I've already bought the ANL so that's of no consequence to me. Z-22 just says the device should be "sized to the alternator." Usually circuit protection devices are sized to protect the wire they're attached to, unless the wire is unusually large for the gadget attached, so I'm lost here. However, this excerpt from a January 11, 2002 post from Bob might give a clue: The alternator is NOT the source of current that opens this fuse . . . Alternators are physically incapable of putting out much more than their design limit with respect to current (not so for voltage . . . you can get 100V+ from a runaway alternator). The current source that might antagonize the alternator b-lead is the BATTERY . . . good for 700-1500 amps in a fault condition through fat wires. Hence, the alternator b-lead protection goes at the end of the wire opposite the alternator connection. Incidentally, I haven't ruled out buying a B&C series-wound starter, but I will wait until well into the test flight phase before deciding. My A&P says a Sky-Tec Fly Weight is a perfectly good starter; but to avoid possible problems with the electronic ignitions at start-up, the B&C option might be appealing. Thanks again. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:35 PM --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Hey again John I checked the archives regarding your reference on the 60 amp fuse - I dont think you are interpreting this quite right. The original post was not really about Z-13, but a modified starter set-up that had been suggested. Also, the MAX 60 fuse is something different than an ANL current limiter - check out the link posted in Bob's reply from the archives: http://www.bussmann.com/shared/library/catalogs/Buss_Auto-Fuse_Cat.pdf I cant provide a direct reference - probably something from the AeroElectric FAQ files - but I still think that the ANL40 is pretty robust fuse and is fine with the 40 amp alternator. Somebody please correct me if Im full of it. Erich Weaver ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:09 PM PST US From: PeterHunt1@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Starter Switch for LASAR ignition Keith, LASAR comes with an on/off switch (and warning light which illuminates when it is off). Lycoming claims better starting with LASAR and that has been my experience. I have LASAR ignition and a push button start switch (no off-left-right-both switch). My start-up procedure involves turning the LASAR on, turning mags "on" (which disconnects the mag grounds), setting carb heat, throttle, prop, and mixture and then pressing the start button. While my engine is running I can turn my LASAR on and off without the engine even missing a beat. I have even been taking off with my LASAR off to help a CHT overheating problem. (Lycoming has admitted to me that their LASAR causes higher CHTs on climb out and suggested turning it off during that period.) Pete in Clearwater RV-6, Reserve Grand Champion Sun n' Fun 2006 All electric panel ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:50 PM PST US From: Ken Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: electrical system for review and critique --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken Actually you are on the right track. ANL fuses are slow acting and a 40 amp alternator is quite unlikely to ever blow a ANL40 as I see it. So that would be sufficient and would be my first choice if ordering a new part. I'd also be happy with a ANL60 as long as the wire is at least AWG8. You want the ANL or fuse to open before the wire gets dangerously hot in the rare event of a short at or in the alternator. Even AWG8 might warm up a fair bit before the battery opened an ANL60 but I wouldn't expect it to be much of a real risk.. I can see that some folks might be more comfortable with AWG6 wire on an ANL60. I have a MAX50 and AWG8 wire on my 40 amp alternator but a MAX60 would also be a good choice IMO as these are fast acting fuses. Ken John Swartout wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Swartout" > >Hi Erich, > >I see your point, but I think the archived post is applicable, because if >you read the thread that comes up if you type "MAX60" into the archive >search window, it is all about using Z-22, which is one of the modifications >I have made to Z-13/8. You're right, the MAXI fuses are not the same as ANL >current limiters; I haven't been able to find anything other than the post >cited to indicate the proper size for the protection device, whether MAXI or >ANL. I think the point of using a MAXI fuse & holder was that they're >cheaper than an ANL current limiter. I've already bought the ANL so that's >of no consequence to me. Z-22 just says the device should be "sized to the >alternator." Usually circuit protection devices are sized to protect the >wire they're attached to, unless the wire is unusually large for the gadget >attached, so I'm lost here. However, this excerpt from a January 11, 2002 >post from Bob might give a clue: > > The alternator is NOT the source of current that opens > this fuse . . . Alternators are physically incapable of > putting out much more than their design limit with respect > to current (not so for voltage . . . you can get 100V+ > from a runaway alternator). > > The current source that might antagonize the alternator > b-lead is the BATTERY . . . good for 700-1500 amps > in a fault condition through fat wires. Hence, the > alternator b-lead protection goes at the end of the > wire opposite the alternator connection. > >Incidentally, I haven't ruled out buying a B&C series-wound starter, but I >will wait until well into the test flight phase before deciding. My A&P >says a Sky-Tec Fly Weight is a perfectly good starter; but to avoid possible >problems with the electronic ignitions at start-up, the B&C option might be >appealing. >Thanks again. >John > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:48 PM PST US From: "Paul Messinger" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: electrical system for review and critique --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Messinger" I have a new 55 amp ND alternator and its rated for a max of 70 amps at 13.0 V output. Not sure about a 40 amp alternator but as you can see 70 amps is more than 25% greater than the "so called" 55 amp rating. I would never consider a fuse rated at less than 70 amps for my 55 amp rated alternator. 70 amps for vary long may overheat the alternator but that is another issue. 55 amps is the rated continuous output (with proper cooling); 70 amps is the max output with an output and field voltage of 13.0 v. Its not specified what the max output is where the output voltage drops below 14.3V (internally regulated). Paul ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:46 PM > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken > > Actually you are on the right track. ANL fuses are slow acting and a 40 > amp alternator is quite unlikely to ever blow a ANL40 as I see it. So that > would be sufficient and would be my first choice if ordering a new part. > I'd also be happy with a ANL60 as long as the wire is at least AWG8. You > want the ANL or fuse to open before the wire gets dangerously hot in the > rare event of a short at or in the alternator. Even AWG8 might warm up a > fair bit before the battery opened an ANL60 but I wouldn't expect it to be > much of a real risk.. I can see that some folks might be more comfortable > with AWG6 wire on an ANL60. > > I have a MAX50 and AWG8 wire on my 40 amp alternator but a MAX60 would > also be a good choice IMO as these are fast acting fuses. > > Ken > > John Swartout wrote: > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Swartout" >> >> >>Hi Erich, >> >>I see your point, but I think the archived post is applicable, because if >>you read the thread that comes up if you type "MAX60" into the archive >>search window, it is all about using Z-22, which is one of the >>modifications >>I have made to Z-13/8. You're right, the MAXI fuses are not the same as >>ANL >>current limiters; I haven't been able to find anything other than the post >>cited to indicate the proper size for the protection device, whether MAXI >>or >>ANL. I think the point of using a MAXI fuse & holder was that they're >>cheaper than an ANL current limiter. I've already bought the ANL so >>that's >>of no consequence to me. Z-22 just says the device should be "sized to >>the >>alternator." Usually circuit protection devices are sized to protect the >>wire they're attached to, unless the wire is unusually large for the >>gadget >>attached, so I'm lost here. However, this excerpt from a January 11, 2002 >>post from Bob might give a clue: >> >> The alternator is NOT the source of current that opens >> this fuse . . . Alternators are physically incapable of >> putting out much more than their design limit with respect >> to current (not so for voltage . . . you can get 100V+ >> from a runaway alternator). >> >> The current source that might antagonize the alternator >> b-lead is the BATTERY . . . good for 700-1500 amps >> in a fault condition through fat wires. Hence, the >> alternator b-lead protection goes at the end of the >> wire opposite the alternator connection. >> >>Incidentally, I haven't ruled out buying a B&C series-wound starter, but I >>will wait until well into the test flight phase before deciding. My A&P >>says a Sky-Tec Fly Weight is a perfectly good starter; but to avoid >>possible >>problems with the electronic ignitions at start-up, the B&C option might >>be >>appealing. Thanks again. >>John >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:09 PM PST US From: "John Swartout" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: electrical system for review and critique --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Swartout" I'm showing that ANL current limiter on 4 ga. Welding cable, substituting that for 4 AWG in Fig. Z-13/8. That should be plenty big for the maximum continuous load contemplated (25 amps). Battery will be on the firewall so all fat wire runs will be pretty short. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:47 PM --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken Actually you are on the right track. ANL fuses are slow acting and a 40 amp alternator is quite unlikely to ever blow a ANL40 as I see it. So that would be sufficient and would be my first choice if ordering a new part. I'd also be happy with a ANL60 as long as the wire is at least AWG8. You want the ANL or fuse to open before the wire gets dangerously hot in the rare event of a short at or in the alternator. Even AWG8 might warm up a fair bit before the battery opened an ANL60 but I wouldn't expect it to be much of a real risk.. I can see that some folks might be more comfortable with AWG6 wire on an ANL60. I have a MAX50 and AWG8 wire on my 40 amp alternator but a MAX60 would also be a good choice IMO as these are fast acting fuses. Ken John Swartout wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Swartout" > >Hi Erich, > >I see your point, but I think the archived post is applicable, because if >you read the thread that comes up if you type "MAX60" into the archive >search window, it is all about using Z-22, which is one of the modifications >I have made to Z-13/8. You're right, the MAXI fuses are not the same as ANL >current limiters; I haven't been able to find anything other than the post >cited to indicate the proper size for the protection device, whether MAXI or >ANL. I think the point of using a MAXI fuse & holder was that they're >cheaper than an ANL current limiter. I've already bought the ANL so that's >of no consequence to me. Z-22 just says the device should be "sized to the >alternator." Usually circuit protection devices are sized to protect the >wire they're attached to, unless the wire is unusually large for the gadget >attached, so I'm lost here. However, this excerpt from a January 11, 2002 >post from Bob might give a clue: > > The alternator is NOT the source of current that opens > this fuse . . . Alternators are physically incapable of > putting out much more than their design limit with respect > to current (not so for voltage . . . you can get 100V+ > from a runaway alternator). > > The current source that might antagonize the alternator > b-lead is the BATTERY . . . good for 700-1500 amps > in a fault condition through fat wires. Hence, the > alternator b-lead protection goes at the end of the > wire opposite the alternator connection. > >Incidentally, I haven't ruled out buying a B&C series-wound starter, but I >will wait until well into the test flight phase before deciding. My A&P >says a Sky-Tec Fly Weight is a perfectly good starter; but to avoid possible >problems with the electronic ignitions at start-up, the B&C option might be >appealing. >Thanks again. >John > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:53 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installation Location of LR3C regulator --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 04:53 AM 8/1/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Have any of you put the B & C regulator on the back side of the firewall >as suggested on the installation sheet? Lancair mounted mine on the >front side. They seem to operate just fine no matter where they are. How >important to longevity is the location? Comments Bob??? or >anyone! Thanks in advance... EVERY manufacturer would like to have you place THEIR product in the most benign environment possible. But the bottom line is that short of bolting the LR3 to an engine or exhaust part, it will be fine on the forward side of the firewall also. Of the gazillions of automotive regulators mounted under the hoods of cars in some of the most stressful environments, how many manufacturers would stay in business very long if their particular electro-whizzie was ill-suited to compete? Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:17 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: STC for standby generator on a --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Talk to B&C. The Mooney's were the first TC'd aircraft to get the SD-20 style alternator on a production aircraft. I'm certain that by now MANY Mooney owners have installed this system on older airplanes under a one-time field approval (Form 337 or perhaps the limited applicability STC). If anyone knows, they'd be the first to ask, then go to Mooney Type Clubs. Bob . . . At 02:11 PM 7/31/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X > >What do you mean it would cost a fortune? Whom would I be paying money >to, and for what? > >Dave Morris > >At 09:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote: >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen >> >>AFAIK, no one has STC'd a standby alternator for early Mooneys. The only >>place to put one would be on the vacuum pump pad. Unless one has been >>STC'd for the O-360, you would spend a fortune getting it approved. > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:45 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:46 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains AeroElectric-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the AeroElectric-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the AeroElectric-List running smoothly for all of us. ****************************************** *** Quick Start Guide to List Features *** ****************************************** There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information. The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed. You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request. The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post until you receive the second conformation email message. ***************************** *** How to Post a Message *** ***************************** Send an email message to: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed to the List. ***************************************************** *** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post *** ***************************************************** When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor. If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that gets posted to the Lists. Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ************************************** *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** ************************************** Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the content of enclosures. These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "aeroelectric-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the AeroElectric-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all AeroElectric-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * AeroElectric-List.FAQ - Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.]