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1. 03:57 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Kevin Horton)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Tim Lewis)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Re: Alternator seizure engine failure (n801bh@netzero.com)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? ()
5. 07:30 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Mike)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Mike)
7. 12:28 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Brian Lloyd)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Harry Manvel)
9. 01:06 PM - Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (John Schroeder)
10. 01:19 PM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (Dave N6030X)
11. 01:44 PM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (John Schroeder)
12. 02:28 PM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (Dave N6030X)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (Brian Lloyd)
14. 03:10 PM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (John Schroeder)
15. 03:13 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Brian Lloyd)
16. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
17. 04:02 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Harry Manvel)
18. 04:46 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (John Schroeder)
19. 04:49 PM - New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... (Matt Dralle)
20. 04:57 PM - Electronics International 6 cyl deluxe pkg (John Burnaby)
21. 05:27 PM - Re EI instrument pkg (John Burnaby)
22. 05:40 PM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (Ed Holyoke)
23. 07:57 PM - Thoughts on flying with a SmartASS (Air Speed Speaker) ()
24. 10:34 PM - solid-state disk replacement (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
Be careful about buying an EFIS on the basis that it has more
features than the competition. It takes a lot of effort to create
and debug each feature. If a vendor adds features too quickly, the
time spent creating the new features could detract from the time
needed to debug the existing features. If is far better to get the
important stuff working properly first, then slowly add new
features. Too much too soon is a recipe for disaster.
Obviously, if you need a feature, then you have to purchase a unit
with that feature. But if you are looking at a product that hasn't
been on the market that long (e.g. Advanced Control Systems) be
suspicious if it has as many features as products that have been on
the market much longer.
Kevin Horton
On 5 Aug 2006, at 23:36, Bret Smith wrote:
> Tim, you failed to note that while the GRT EFIS has a map screen
> capable of XM weather overlay and traffic (from Garmin 330 XPR),
> AFS has no map, no weather nor traffic capabilities. Note: neither
> does Dynon.
>
> I wonder if AFS is considering adding this feature in order to be
> competitive with everyone else (GRT, BMA, Chelton)
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A (91314)
> Mineral Bluff, GA
> www.FlightInnovations.com
>
>
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lewis
> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:01 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
> Dan,
>
> Have you looked at Advanced Control Systems AF-3500 and AF-3400?
> Great looking EFIS with engine monitor on same screen or separate
> screen, certified AHRS (Crossbow 500, the good one), and a good
> reputation. I'd been planning to use the GRT system, but
> researched the AF-3500 and saw it at OSH, now I'm sold on the AF-3500.
>
> My views on the three choices I considered:
>
> Advanced Control Systems: strong history with their engine monitor
> line (Van's uses it). Great reputation according to the folks at
> Crossbow and TruTrak (both are collaborating with Advanced on
> integration). Use of the certified Crossbow 500 AHRS (hardware and
> software) is a selling point. Screen looks great, even in direct
> sun. The EFIS-DG and on-screen HSI were the deal-makers for me.
> Code written in C and assembly, no other operating system to eat
> computer cycles. Well-regarded AoA. Downside: AF-3500 is a new
> product, little to no field history on the EFIS product yet.
>
> GRT: Strong history of good products and good support. I've been
> flying their EIS 4000 for 7 years, and like it a lot. GRT EFIS
> resolution is a bit blocky. No DG presentation on main EFIS screen
> (I like N/S/E/W DG presentation -- helps my situational
> awareness). EFIS DG code rides on Windows CE. HITS concept is cool.
>
> Blue Mountain: Arrogance, rotten customer interaction. I was
> considering the company, but the first time I approached their
> booth at OSH I watched a very interested customer, ready to make a
> purchase, who expressed his reservation about the operating logic
> of the unit he was considering. In that unit, the Blue Mountain
> EFIS required one to go to a screen without visible horizon to
> adjust altimeter setting. That's obviously a concern... you have
> to loose your horizon reference to enter a new barometer setting,
> which would be bad in IMC. The response to the concern from the
> Blue Mountain staff: "don't buy our unit." They went out of their
> way to run the guy off. That was all I needed to hear. Blue
> Mountain was off the table for me.
>
> FWIW...
>
> Tim Lewis
> home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
> Dan Beadle wrote:
>> Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking
>> for a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate
>> avionics buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor '
>> prices turn out to be pretty similar.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
Bret,
Good points. My focus has been on getting the EFIS and engine monitor
functions covered, with an eye to considering other solutions for
terrain, weather, and moving map.
I'm currently displaying WxWorx and sectional charts on a Tablet PC
(Fujitsu) hung from the panel of my RV-6A. For my RV-10 (where I plan
to use the AF-3500 as EFIS and engine monitor) I'm planning to panel
mount a Garmin 496 to display weather, terrain, and moving map. My
comm/nav/GPS radio will be a GNS 530. The GPS 496 will import the 530's
active flight plan and pop it up on the 496's screen along with the map
and the weather. I'm leaning toward the 496 for terrain, wx, and moving
map because it's resolution is better than the GNS 530's, and the 496
does a better job of displaying weather than the GNS-530/GDL-69. The
GPS 496 also provides a backup GPS, including approach waypoints, with
an internal battery, and it costs less than adding the GDL-69 to the GNS
530.
The 496 will also display traffic, if one buys the Garmin 330 Transponder.
Regards,
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Bret Smith wrote:
> Tim, you failed to note that while the GRT EFIS has a map screen
> capable of XM weather overlay and traffic (from Garmin 330 XPR), AFS
> has no map, no weather nor traffic capabilities. Note: neither does
> Dynon.
>
> I wonder if AFS is considering adding this feature in order to be
> competitive with everyone else (GRT, BMA, Chelton)
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A (91314)
> Mineral Bluff, GA
> www.FlightInnovations.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Tim Lewis
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:01 PM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
> Dan,
>
> Have you looked at Advanced Control Systems AF-3500 and AF-3400?
> Great looking EFIS with engine monitor on same screen or separate
> screen, certified AHRS (Crossbow 500, the good one), and a good
> reputation. I'd been planning to use the GRT system, but researched
> the AF-3500 and saw it at OSH, now I'm sold on the AF-3500.
>
> My views on the three choices I considered:
>
> Advanced Control Systems: strong history with their engine monitor
> line (Van's uses it). Great reputation according to the folks at
> Crossbow and TruTrak (both are collaborating with Advanced on
> integration). Use of the certified Crossbow 500 AHRS (hardware and
> software) is a selling point. Screen looks great, even in direct
> sun. The EFIS-DG and on-screen HSI were the deal-makers for me. Code
> written in C and assembly, no other operating system to eat computer
> cycles. Well-regarded AoA. Downside: AF-3500 is a new product,
> little to no field history on the EFIS product yet.
>
> GRT: Strong history of good products and good support. I've been
> flying their EIS 4000 for 7 years, and like it a lot. GRT EFIS
> resolution is a bit blocky. No DG presentation on main EFIS screen (I
> like N/S/E/W DG presentation -- helps my situational awareness). EFIS
> DG code rides on Windows CE. HITS concept is cool.
>
> Blue Mountain: Arrogance, rotten customer interaction. I was
> considering the company, but the first time I approached their booth
> at OSH I watched a very interested customer, ready to make a purchase,
> who expressed his reservation about the operating logic of the unit he
> was considering. In that unit, the Blue Mountain EFIS required one to
> go to a screen without visible horizon to adjust altimeter setting.
> That's obviously a concern... you have to loose your horizon reference
> to enter a new barometer setting, which would be bad in IMC. The
> response to the concern from the Blue Mountain staff: "don't buy our
> unit." They went out of their way to run the guy off. That was all I
> needed to hear. Blue Mountain was off the table for me.
>
> FWIW...
>
> Tim Lewis
> home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
> Dan Beadle wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking
>> for a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
>> buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor -- prices turn
>> out to be pretty similar.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dan
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Alternator seizure engine failure |
The alternator in my auto engine powered experimental has proven quite r
obust and bulletproof, it sits in the rear of the cowling and shows no s
ign of temp issues at all. Close up pics of the installation at on my we
bsite.
www.haaspowerair.com
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Paul Messinger" <paulm@olypen.com> wrote:
Please do make general statements. My auto conversion has the alternator
cooled by direct inlet air and its in a aluminum cowl. I will grant you
some of the belt is semi shielded but not all. Paul----- Original Messa
ge ----- From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:10 PMSubject: AeroElectric-List: Re:
Re: Alternator seizure engine failure. In a homebuilt the belt is shield
ed from incoming
air and covered in a flammable fiberglass cowl. George
<html><P>The alternator in my auto engine powered experimental has prove
n quite robust and bulletproof, it sits in the rear of the cowling and s
hows no sign of temp issues at all. Close up pics of the installation at
on my website.</P>
<P><A href="http://www.haaspowerair.com">www.haaspowerair.com</A></P>
<P>do not archive<BR><BR><BR>Ben Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowerair
.com<BR><BR>-- "Paul Messinger" <paulm@olypen.com>&
nbsp;wrote:<BR></P>
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Please do make general stat
ements.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>My auto conversion has the
alternator cooled by direct inlet air and its in a aluminum cowl. I will
grant you some of the belt is semi shielded but not all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Paul</FONT></DIV>
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RGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">
<B>From:</B> <A title=gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com href="mailto:gmcjetpilot
@yahoo.com">gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aeroelectric-list@
matronics.com href="mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com">aeroelectr
ic-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 05, 2006 1
:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AeroElectric-List: Re: R
e: Alternator seizure engine failure</DIV>
<DIV>. In a homebuilt the belt is shielded from incoming <BR>air and cov
ered in a flammable fiberglass cowl. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>George</DIV>
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UOTE></html>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
Steve:
Peter can answer for himself, but I knew exactly what he meant.
Greg at GRT has an aeroapce background (Honeywell) and the
Gent at BMA, also named Greg and also talented, has a back-
ground in computers.
I got Peter's comment immediantly. I did not see a cheap shot. I
also think GRT has a better system hierarchy, more "aircraft like"
and less computer like. However BMA makes nice stuff.
The good, bad and ugly are a matter of record. Peter did not bring
up any issues, which both companies have to some degree or another.
Mainly the issue is they are both small companies and their production
rates are small. Sometime demand exceeds capacity. I have heard
of protracted delays with BMA as well as the post that was made
here about GRT delivery delay, which may be Oshkosh related.
I concur, Sandy and Greg at GRT are super to deal with.
I have been dealing with GRT for over 10 years and they are nice
folks and easy to get along with. I do not have any personal
experience with BMA, except what I have read on other fourms. I
think BMA offerings have some unique features worth considering,
but from just a comfort standpoint GRT is my choice.
Both companies know how tight the experimental comunity is
and try to please. I would look at features and value primarily,
and what your requirements are. Both BMA and GRT have matured
in the market. BMA was first and may have suffered from that
initially. GRT has had the EFIS on market for a number of years
and has also matured. It is a hard choice. Look at them all including
Advanced (which is brand new) and Dynon (which is bargain priced).
If I was VFR I would go Dynon for cost and IFR I would go GRT. I
do know GRT uses a top notch AHRS like Chelton does, which
is a certified unit. Not sure if BMA still uses a GPS signal to
show attitude.
Best advice is fly behind the EFIS if at all possible before buying.
Cheers George
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
>This is a cheap shot. The BMA stuff is excellent. I own two BMA
>units and I have had nothing but superior support. I don't know
>about GRT, but I'm also not going to dis them just to make my
>opinion stand out.
>
>BMA has a bulletin board on their site. Look it over. You'll find
>support as well as criticism. But my experience has been excellent
>and I think that their product is second-to-none.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Steve Thomas
>SteveT.Net
>805-569-0336 Office
________________________________________________________________________
>On Aug 5, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Peter Pengilly wrote:
>
> BMA is computer people trying to design airplane stuff
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
Here is a note for you tablet PC guys=85. If you plain to fly above
10,000 ft msl then you are going to need a solid state =91hard drive=92.
I
have experienced many hard drive failures before we figured out what the
problem was. Come to find out when the air gets thin you don=92t have
enough air cushion to keep the hard drive head off the memory platters.
When the head hits the platter the drive fails. We had to convert all
of our on board pc=92s to solid state drives. This was very expensive
and
you only get limited amount of space, so say goodbye to all those music
files.
Mike Larkin
Lancair Legacy
TS-11
Kitfox IV
A-320
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Lewis
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:59 AM
Bret,
Good points. My focus has been on getting the EFIS and engine monitor
functions covered, with an eye to considering other solutions for
terrain, weather, and moving map.
I'm currently displaying WxWorx and sectional charts on a Tablet PC
(Fujitsu) hung from the panel of my RV-6A. For my RV-10 (where I plan
to use the AF-3500 as EFIS and engine monitor) I'm planning to panel
mount a Garmin 496 to display weather, terrain, and moving map. My
comm/nav/GPS radio will be a GNS 530. The GPS 496 will import the 530's
active flight plan and pop it up on the 496's screen along with the map
and the weather. I'm leaning toward the 496 for terrain, wx, and moving
map because it's resolution is better than the GNS 530's, and the 496
does a better job of displaying weather than the GNS-530/GDL-69. The
GPS 496 also provides a backup GPS, including approach waypoints, with
an internal battery, and it costs less than adding the GDL-69 to the GNS
530.
The 496 will also display traffic, if one buys the Garmin 330
Transponder.
Regards,
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Bret Smith wrote:
Tim, you failed to note that while the GRT EFIS has a map screen capable
of XM weather overlay and traffic (from Garmin 330 XPR), AFS has no map,
no weather nor traffic capabilities. Note: neither does Dynon.
I wonder if AFS is considering adding this feature in order to be
competitive with everyone else (GRT, BMA, Chelton)
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
HYPERLINK "http://www.FlightInnovations.com"www.FlightInnovations.com
_____
"mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com"owner-aeroelectric-
list-server@matronics.com [HYPERLINK
"mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com"mailto:owner-aeroel
ectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lewis
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:01 PM
"mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com"aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Dan,
Have you looked at Advanced Control Systems AF-3500 and AF-3400? Great
looking EFIS with engine monitor on same screen or separate screen,
certified AHRS (Crossbow 500, the good one), and a good reputation. I'd
been planning to use the GRT system, but researched the AF-3500 and saw
it at OSH, now I'm sold on the AF-3500.
My views on the three choices I considered:
Advanced Control Systems: strong history with their engine monitor line
(Van's uses it). Great reputation according to the folks at Crossbow
and TruTrak (both are collaborating with Advanced on integration). Use
of the certified Crossbow 500 AHRS (hardware and software) is a selling
point. Screen looks great, even in direct sun. The EFIS-DG and
on-screen HSI were the deal-makers for me. Code written in C and
assembly, no other operating system to eat computer cycles.
Well-regarded AoA. Downside: AF-3500 is a new product, little to no
field history on the EFIS product yet.
GRT: Strong history of good products and good support. I've been
flying their EIS 4000 for 7 years, and like it a lot. GRT EFIS
resolution is a bit blocky. No DG presentation on main EFIS screen (I
like N/S/E/W DG presentation -- helps my situational awareness). EFIS
DG code rides on Windows CE. HITS concept is cool.
Blue Mountain: Arrogance, rotten customer interaction. I was
considering the company, but the first time I approached their booth at
OSH I watched a very interested customer, ready to make a purchase, who
expressed his reservation about the operating logic of the unit he was
considering. In that unit, the Blue Mountain EFIS required one to go to
a screen without visible horizon to adjust altimeter setting. That's
obviously a concern... you have to loose your horizon reference to enter
a new barometer setting, which would be bad in IMC. The response to the
concern from the Blue Mountain staff: "don't buy our unit." They went
out of their way to run the guy off. That was all I needed to hear.
Blue Mountain was off the table for me.
FWIW...
Tim Lewis
home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Dan Beadle wrote:
Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for a
reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor ' prices turn
out
to be pretty similar.
Thanks
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
GRT was first not BMT. BMT was first with a stand alone retail EFIS
product. GRT has been making components that support other aviation
products such as air data computer for Chelton (Serria at the start) as
an example.
Mike Larkin
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:34 AM
Steve:
Peter can answer for himself, but I knew exactly what he meant.
Greg at GRT has an aeroapce background (Honeywell) and the
Gent at BMA, also named Greg and also talented, has a back-
ground in computers.
I got Peter's comment immediantly. I did not see a cheap shot. I
also think GRT has a better system hierarchy, more "aircraft like"
and less computer like. However BMA makes nice stuff.
The good, bad and ugly are a matter of record. Peter did not bring
up any issues, which both companies have to some degree or another.
Mainly the issue is they are both small companies and their production
rates are small. Sometime demand exceeds capacity. I have heard
of protracted delays with BMA as well as the post that was made
here about GRT delivery delay, which may be Oshkosh related.
I concur, Sandy and Greg at GRT are super to deal with.
I have been dealing with GRT for over 10 years and they are nice
folks and easy to get along with. I do not have any personal
experience with BMA, except what I have read on other fourms. I
think BMA offerings have some unique features worth considering,
but from just a comfort standpoint GRT is my choice.
Both companies know how tight the experimental comunity is
and try to please. I would look at features and value primarily,
and what your requirements are. Both BMA and GRT have matured
in the market. BMA was first and may have suffered from that
initially. GRT has had the EFIS on market for a number of years
and has also matured. It is a hard choice. Look at them all including
Advanced (which is brand new) and Dynon (which is bargain priced).
If I was VFR I would go Dynon for cost and IFR I would go GRT. I
do know GRT uses a top notch AHRS like Chelton does, which
is a certified unit. Not sure if BMA still uses a GPS signal to
show attitude.
Best advice is fly behind the EFIS if at all possible before buying.
Cheers George
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
>From: Steve Thomas <HYPERLINK
"http://us.f300.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=lists@stevet.net&YY=37601&y
5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0"lists@stevet.net>
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
>This is a cheap shot. The BMA stuff is excellent. I own two BMA
>units and I have had nothing but superior support. I don't know
>about GRT, but I'm also not going to dis them just to make my
>opinion stand out.
>
>BMA has a bulletin board on their site. Look it over. You'll find
>support as well as criticism. But my experience has been excellent
>and I think that their product is second-to-none.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Steve Thomas
>SteveT.Net
>805-569-0336 Office
________________________________________________________________________
>On Aug 5, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Peter Pengilly wrote:
>
> BMA is computer people trying to design airplane stuff
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Mike wrote:
> Here is a note for you tablet PC guys. If you plain to fly above
> 10,000 ft msl then you are going to need a solid state hard
> drive. I have experienced many hard drive failures before we
> figured out what the problem was. Come to find out when the air
> gets thin you dont have enough air cushion to keep the hard drive
> head off the memory platters. When the head hits the platter the
> drive fails. We had to convert all of our on board pcs to solid
> state drives. This was very expensive and you only get limited
> amount of space, so say goodbye to all those music files.
Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A
USB or firewire interface will ensure you don't have too many wires
to route out of your box.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harry Manvel" <hmanvel@manvel.com>
Brian,
Can you find out where you got those solid state drives? I have been trying
to find one for my Fujitsu and cannot seem to locate one that will fit.
Harry Manvel
Defiant N2HM
PTK / Pontiac, MI
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Mike wrote:
> Here is a note for you tablet PC guys. If you plain to fly above 10,000
> ft msl then you are going to need a solid state hard drive. I have
> experienced many hard drive failures before we figured out what the
> problem was. Come to find out when the air gets thin you dont have
> enough air cushion to keep the hard drive head off the memory platters.
> When the head hits the platter the drive fails. We had to convert all of
> our on board pcs to solid state drives. This was very expensive and you
> only get limited amount of space, so say goodbye to all those music
> files.
Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A
USB or firewire interface will ensure you don't have too many wires
to route out of your box.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Brian -
I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max
altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?
Thanks,
John
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:03 -0400, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
> Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A
> USB or firewire interface will ensure youdon't have too many wires to
> route out of your box.
> Brian Lloyd
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
I'm trying to make a USB flash drive work for everything on a TC10000
single-board computer. So far, it's been difficult to get the OS to
boot from a flash drive, but if we can get that working, you won't
need a conventional disk drive at all.
Dave Morris
At 03:05 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:
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><jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
>Brian -
>
>I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max
>altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?
>
>Thanks,
>
>John
>
>
>On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:03 -0400, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
>>Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A
>>USB or firewire interface will ensure youdon't have too many wires to
>>route out of your box.
>> Brian Lloyd
>
>
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>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Dave -
What software and OS are you using? Mine is Windows XP Tablet and Voyager
- both are the all-time memory hogs.
Thanks,
John Schroeder
On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:18:39 -0500, Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X
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>
> I'm trying to make a USB flash drive work for everything on a TC10000
> single-board computer.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
There are something like 500 guys on a Yahoo eGroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyGlassCockpit/ that started in 2001
discussing ideas for open source EFIS and other glass cockpit
instruments. We sort of let things go recently, but the archives
there have a lot of interesting stuff.
I've tried Win98 and WinXP. I'm sure there's a way to make either a
CompactFlash or USB Jumpdrive based system with no moving parts with
the tiny Epia computers, but have not gotten it to work yet. The
Fujitsu 1200 and 2300 Stylistic tablet computer radiated too much
into the aircraft band to be usable.
Dave Morris
At 03:42 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
><jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
>Dave -
>
>What software and OS are you using? Mine is Windows XP Tablet and Voyager
>- both are the all-time memory hogs.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John Schroeder
>
>
>On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:18:39 -0500, Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X
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>>
>>I'm trying to make a USB flash drive work for everything on a TC10000
>>single-board computer.
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, John Schroeder wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> Brian -
>
> I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max
> altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?
I think that Pomona has machined boxes with gaskets that may be sealed.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Dave -
So far, the Motion Tablet does not radiate in any way that I can see in a
C172. It might be a different story in the Lancair ES when we start
flying. I have an article from a magazine on how to make a thumb drive for
booting on any XP computer. I might get some time to see if I can make it
work on a 2 gb drive. I have two USB ports and with two 2 gb drives it may
work - if I can slim down Windows XP & Voyager. Voyager need access to the
internet for planning, but I can do that on the internal hard drive,
transfer the file to the thumb drive and fly it that way. Any
ideas/thoughts would help.
John Schroeder
On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:25:30 -0500, Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X
> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
> There are something like 500 guys on a Yahoo eGroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyGlassCockpit/ that started in 2001
> discussing ideas for open source EFIS and other glass cockpit
> instruments. We sort of let things go recently, but the archives there
> have a lot of interesting stuff.
>
> I've tried Win98 and WinXP. I'm sure there's a way to make either a
> CompactFlash or USB Jumpdrive based system with no moving parts with the
> tiny Epia computers, but have not gotten it to work yet. The Fujitsu
> 1200 and 2300 Stylistic tablet computer radiated too much into the
> aircraft band to be usable.
>
> Dave Morris
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Harry Manvel wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harry Manvel"
> <hmanvel@manvel.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> Can you find out where you got those solid state drives? I have
> been trying to find one for my Fujitsu and cannot seem to locate
> one that will fit.
Well, I was thinking in terms of standard rotating media in a sealed,
metal enclosure. The drive has to be able to effectively transfer its
heat to the metal box so the heat can be carried away. (No convective
cooling here. You are using conductive cooling now.)
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brianl at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
"Five percent of the people think.
Ten percent of the people think they think.
Eighty-five percent of the people would rather die than think."
---Thomas A. Edison
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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not to mention their "everybody has one" EIS 4000 has been around for what, 10
years or more? I don't know but it seems like that long.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
GRT was first not BMT. BMT was first with a stand alone retail EFIS product.
GRT has been making components that support other aviation products such as air
data computer for Chelton (Serria at the start) as an example.
Mike Larkin
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:34 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
Steve:
Peter can answer for himself, but I knew exactly what he meant.
Greg at GRT has an aeroapce background (Honeywell) and the
Gent at BMA, also named Greg and also talented, has a back-
ground in computers.
I got Peter's comment immediantly. I did not see a cheap shot. I
also think GRT has a better system hierarchy, more "aircraft like"
and less computer like. However BMA makes nice stuff.
The good, bad and ugly are a matter of record. Peter did not bring
up any issues, which both companies have to some degree or another.
Mainly the issue is they are both small companies and their production
rates are small. Sometime demand exceeds capacity. I have heard
of protracted delays with BMA as well as the post that was made
here about GRT delivery delay, which may be Oshkosh related.
I concur, Sandy and Greg at GRT are super to deal with.
I have been dealing with GRT for over 10 years and they are nice
folks and easy to get along with. I do not have any personal
experience with BMA, except what I have read on other fourms. I
think BMA offerings have some unique features worth considering,
but from just a comfort standpoint GRT is my choice.
Both companies know how tight the experimental comunity is
and try to please. I would look at features and value primarily,
and what your requirements are. Both BMA and GRT have matured
in the market. BMA was first and may have suffered from that
initially. GRT has had the EFIS on market for a number of years
and has also matured. It is a hard choice. Look at them all including
Advanced (which is brand new) and Dynon (which is bargain priced).
If I was VFR I would go Dynon for cost and IFR I would go GRT. I
do know GRT uses a top notch AHRS like Chelton does, which
is a certified unit. Not sure if BMA still uses a GPS signal to
show attitude.
Best advice is fly behind the EFIS if at all possible before buying.
Cheers George
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>From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
>This is a cheap shot. The BMA stuff is excellent. I own two BMA
>units and I have had nothing but superior support. I don't know
>about GRT, but I'm also not going to dis them just to make my
>opinion stand out.
>
>BMA has a bulletin board on their site. Look it over. You'll find
>support as well as criticism. But my experience has been excellent
>and I think that their product is second-to-none.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Steve Thomas
>SteveT.Net
>805-569-0336 Office
________________________________________________________________________
>On Aug 5, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Peter Pengilly wrote:
>
> BMA is computer people trying to design airplane stuff
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Peter can answer for himself, but I knew
exactly what he meant. <BR>Greg at GRT has an aeroapce background (Honeywell)
and the <BR>Gent at BMA, also named Greg and also talented, has a back-<BR>ground
in computers. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>I got Peter's comment immediantly. I did
not see a cheap shot. I <BR>also think GRT has a better system hierarchy, more
"aircraft like" <BR>and less computer like. However BMA makes nice stuff.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>The good, bad and ugly are a matter of record.
Peter did not bring <BR>up any issues, which both companies have to some
degree or another. <BR>Mainly the issue is they are both small companies and
their production <BR>rates are small. Sometime demand exceeds capacity. I have
heard <BR>of protracted delays with BMA as well as the post that was made <BR>here
about GRT delivery delay, which may be Oshkosh related.<BR>I concur, Sandy
and Greg at GRT are super to deal with. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have been dealing with GRT for over 10 years
and they are nice <BR>folks and easy to get along with. I do not have any personal
<BR>experience with BMA, except what I have read on other fourms. I <BR>think
BMA offerings have some unique features worth considering, <BR>but from
just a comfort standpoint GRT is my choice.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Both companies know how tight the experimental
comunity is <BR>and try to please. I would look at features and value primarily,
<BR>and what your requirements are. Both BMA and GRT have matured <BR>in
the market. BMA was first and may have suffered from that <BR>initially. GRT has
had the EFIS on market for a number of years <BR>and has also matured. It is
a hard choice. Look at them all including <BR>Advanced (which is brand new)
and Dynon (which is bargain priced). <BR>If I was VFR I would go Dynon for cost
and IFR I would go GRT. I <BR>do know GRT uses a top notch AHRS like Chelton
does, which <BR>is a certified unit. Not sure if BMA still uses a GPS
signal to <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Best advice is fly behind the EFIS if at all
possible before buying.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>From: Steve Thomas <<A href="http://us.f300.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=lists@stevet.net&YY=37601&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0"><FONT color=#003399><SPAN style="COLOR: #003399">lists@stevet.net</SPAN></FONT></A>><BR>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?<BR>><BR>>This is a cheap shot. The BMA stuff is excellent. I own two BMA <BR>>units and I have had nothing but superior support. I don't know <BR>>about GRT, but I'm also not going to dis them just to make my <BR>>opinion stand out.<BR>><BR>>BMA has a bulletin board on their site. Look it over. You'll find <BR>>support as well as criticism. But my experience has been excellent <BR>&
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I think that their product is second-to-none.<BR>><BR>>Best Regards,<BR>><BR>>Steve
Thomas<BR>>SteveT.Net<BR>>805-569-0336 Office<BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR><BR>>On
Aug 5, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Peter Pengilly wrote:<BR>><BR>> BMA is computer
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harry Manvel" <hmanvel@manvel.com>
Okay if anybody can shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
I currently run a Fujitsu P1510D tablet. I dont know but I am guessing it
has a 1.8" hard drive. I would like to replace that hard drive with a solid
state device that will run the computer, boot it up etc. To avoid the
"10,000 ft" limitation that Brian has already cautioned us about. Does
ANYBODY know where to find this drive??? Anywheremap has sourced one. They
are offering a new version of the motion with that ss hard drive.
Harry Manvel
Defiant N2HM
PTK / Pontiac, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Harry Manvel wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harry Manvel"
> <hmanvel@manvel.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> Can you find out where you got those solid state drives? I have been
> trying to find one for my Fujitsu and cannot seem to locate one that will
> fit.
Well, I was thinking in terms of standard rotating media in a sealed,
metal enclosure. The drive has to be able to effectively transfer its
heat to the metal box so the heat can be carried away. (No convective
cooling here. You are using conductive cooling now.)
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brianl at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
"Five percent of the people think.
Ten percent of the people think they think.
Eighty-five percent of the people would rather die than think."
---Thomas A. Edison
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Harry -
Do I read your posting as: Anywhere Map is offering a Motion Tablet with a
hard drive? If so, Anywhere Map is the orange and Motion is the Apple -
pun intended. They are two different companies.
Cheers,
John
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:01:44 -0400, Harry Manvel <hmanvel@manvel.com> wrote:
> Anywheremap has sourced one. They are offering a new version of the
> motion with that ss hard drive.
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| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Electronics International 6 cyl deluxe pkg |
I have an EI 6cyl (all probes + 4 extras, manuals, warranty cards)
Deluxe Instrument Package (http://www.buy-ei.com/Panel%20Package.htm)
for sale. It has never been in a plane and all the warranty cards are
waiting to be activated. The instruments have a total of 30 minutes time
that was incurred during a dyno run. They were new then and worked
flawlessly. I've decided to go with an EFIS/EIS combo glass panel.
EI gets $4600 for this panel of gauges. I'm asking $3200/ best offer
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| Subject: | Re EI instrument pkg |
Forgot to say, Email me off-list.
jonlaury@impulse.net
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| Subject: | Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
John,
How's that Motion in daylight? Have you used Voyager in flight? How is
it?
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Schroeder
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
<jschroeder@perigee.net>
Brian -
I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max
altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?
Thanks,
John
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:03 -0400, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
wrote:
> Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A
> USB or firewire interface will ensure youdon't have too many wires to
> route out of your box.
> Brian Lloyd
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| Subject: | Thoughts on flying with a SmartASS (Air Speed Speaker) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
What thoughts out there with flying with a SmartASS (Air Speed Speaker):
http://www.smartavionics.com/
I have a PS Engineering PMA-4000-IRS in panel just bout ready to be wired
to Europa XS.
Any other Air Speed Speakers folk use?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | solid-state disk replacement |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
For those of you looking for a way to replace a rotating disk with a
compact flash (CF) see:
http://www.pcengines.ch/cflash.htm
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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