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1. 12:15 AM - Re: CB Power Source (Speedy11@aol.com)
2. 01:12 AM - Solid State Disks (Graham Nutt)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Bob Verwey)
4. 04:48 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Harry Manvel)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: Tablet (Greg Jones)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Reginald E. DeLoach)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
9. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
10. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
11. 07:11 AM - GRT Wx Impressions (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
12. 07:35 AM - Re: GRT Wx Impressions (Bill Denton)
13. 07:55 AM - capacitor sizing (kesleyelectric)
14. 08:13 AM - Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Joe Dubner)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
16. 09:05 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (Dan Beadle)
17. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
18. 09:36 AM - Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft (Dave N6030X)
19. 09:40 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? (John Schroeder)
20. 10:02 AM - Re: GRT Wx Impressions (James Redmon)
21. 10:48 AM - Re: GRT Wx Impressions (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
22. 11:02 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Deems Davis)
23. 11:19 AM - Re: capacitor sizing (Ken)
24. 11:27 AM - Re: GRT Wx Impressions (Ed Holyoke)
25. 11:48 AM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Alan K. Adamson)
26. 12:24 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Deems Davis)
27. 12:42 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (richard titsworth)
28. 12:55 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Alan K. Adamson)
29. 01:02 PM - Re: capacitor sizing (Brian Lloyd)
30. 01:36 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
31. 02:21 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (John W. Cox)
32. 02:27 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
33. 02:39 PM - Re: GRT Wx Impressions (Ed Holyoke)
34. 02:39 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (John W. Cox)
35. 02:52 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
36. 03:27 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Alan K. Adamson)
37. 04:25 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
38. 04:53 PM - EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Craig Berland)
39. 05:04 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Alan K. Adamson)
40. 05:39 PM - Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech (Alan K. Adamson)
41. 07:57 PM - Re which encoder to buy (CardinalNSB@aol.com)
42. 08:01 PM - Tablet/Laptop use in Aircraft (Fergus Kyle)
43. 09:18 PM - Re: Re which encoder to buy (DonVS)
44. 10:06 PM - Re: Re which encoder to buy (Bruce Gray)
45. 10:33 PM - Re: Re which encoder to buy (Mitchell Faatz)
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| Subject: | Re: CB Power Source |
Good point, Bob. Thanks. I'll use the bus bars.
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
99.9% plus of all breakers installed on all airplanes go the lifetime
of the airplane never being called upon to "trip" nor do they require
a maintenance action. Solid bus bars as described earlier have been
used on tens of thousands of aircraft. I guarantee you that ten years
from now "breaker replacement" will be WAaaaayyyy down on the list
of service expenses for your airplane.
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| Subject: | Solid State Disks |
Just read an article about a Samsung Ultra Light Notebook that has 32Gb
solid state storage, reads at 53Mb/s, writes at 28Mb/s using NAND
devices. Has instant on, much lower power consumption etc etc etc.
Unfortunately only available in Korea at present but I guess it won't be
long.........
Graham Nutt
Trace Business Solutions Australia Pty Ltd
3/55 Willarong Road CARINGBAH NSW 2229 Australia
PH: +61 2 9540 4124 FAX: +61 2 9542 7774
Email: graham@trace.com.au
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
I HAVE A 4 PLACE SOFTCOMM INTERCOMM (PANEL MOUNT) that was removed from an
aircraft with side cutters! The looms cut off next to the plugs and jack
ends missing. Any ideas on where to find a wiring diagram for the pin -outs?
Thanx
Bob Verwey
A35 Bonanza
ZU-DLW
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harry Manvel" <hmanvel@manvel.com>
John,
As it was explained to me at their booth at OSH, AnywhereMap is retrofitting
the ss hard drives into the Motion tablet, and selling them as the LS800SS
or something to that effect.
HM
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> Harry -
>
> Do I read your posting as: Anywhere Map is offering a Motion Tablet with a
> hard drive? If so, Anywhere Map is the orange and Motion is the Apple -
> pun intended. They are two different companies.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:01:44 -0400, Harry Manvel <hmanvel@manvel.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anywheremap has sourced one. They are offering a new version of the
>> motion with that ss hard drive.
>
>
> --
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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For those of you who are experiencing trouble booting from a flash drive,
you must enable the boot option off a usb or external drive within your
BIOS. Usually to get into the BIOS you must press the DEL key, F1 key or
another key depending on which motherboard or BIOS you have. Once you turn
on your system, look for the message which tells you what key to press to
enter into the System Setup or BIOS. Best wishes!
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 01:36 PM 8/7/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>I HAVE A 4 PLACE SOFTCOMM INTERCOMM (PANEL MOUNT) that was removed from an
>aircraft with side cutters! The looms cut off next to the plugs and jack
>ends missing. Any ideas on where to find a wiring diagram for the pin outs?
>
>
I did a Google search on Softcomm and came up with nothing.
I'm amazed that their web-presence seems to be totally dependent
embodied in their dealers and users. I didn't find a company or any
offers for factory customer support.
Suggest you try an avionics shop on local airport. They may
have the data you need in their library.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems
like they have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the
D100. Any personal experiences either pro or con?
red :}
Peter Pengilly wrote:
> PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem
> to have a very well engineered product.
> http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Dan Beadle
> Sent: 05 August 2006 00:14
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
> Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am
> looking for a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS,
> separate avionics buss/battery, etc. The real decision is
> which vendor prices turn out to be pretty similar.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
>
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
Bob,
I searched and see that Softcomm has a web site. There is a phone number
there. Probably a call would get you the information you need.
Another suggestion is to open the unit up and see if the board is labeled.
How many wires are we talking about?
do not archive
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 8/7/2006 7:42:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bonanza@vodamail.co.za writes:
I HAVE A 4 PLACE SOFTCOMM INTERCOMM (PANEL MOUNT) that was removed from an
aircraft with side cutters! The looms cut off next to the plugs and jack en
ds
missing. Any ideas on where to find a wiring diagram for the pin =93o
uts?
Thanx
Bob Verwey
A35 Bonanza
ZU-DLW
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
In a message dated 8/7/2006 10:01:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nuckollsr@cox.net writes:
I did a Google search on Softcomm and came up with nothing.
I'm amazed that their web-presence seems to be totally dependent
embodied in their dealers and users. I didn't find a company or any
offers for factory customer support.
Suggest you try an avionics shop on local airport. They may
have the data you need in their library.
Bob . . .
Bob,
Go to Altavista and search for softcomm intercom.
do not archive
Dan Hopper
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
www.softcommheadsets.com
do not archive
In a message dated 8/7/2006 10:07:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Hopperdhh@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 8/7/2006 10:01:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nuckollsr@cox.net writes:
I did a Google search on Softcomm and came up with nothing.
I'm amazed that their web-presence seems to be totally dependent
embodied in their dealers and users. I didn't find a company or any
offers for factory customer support.
Suggest you try an avionics shop on local airport. They may
have the data you need in their library.
Bob . . .
Bob,
Go to Altavista and search for softcomm intercom.
do not archive
Dan Hopper
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| Subject: | GRT Wx Impressions |
Since you guys were on the topic I thought I would fwd this I sent to
another group.
Before that, on the GRT vs BMA thread, let me say that I have Both the
BMA G3 lite and the GRT EFIS ~300 hours on em, and flew the Dynon for
about 800 hours in my 6 so I have a little experience with those 3.
There is no way Id enter IFR with the BMA alone. It lockups up, freezes,
and generally is not very reliable. I have seen others with same issues
on their message board. The GRT has only locked up once which they
promptly fixed with a software update. I feel very confident with the
GRT EFIS stability and reliability.
I finally broke down and installed the wx option on the GRT last
weekend. I have been holding off on this as I was hoping for some other
solution that better suits my needs. Couple items worth noting:
1. I have an MX20 which has an obscene $5k+ cost to get going.
2. I did not want to clutter up my cockpit with yet another gismo to
mess with. I tried a friends 396 and although a nice unit, I found that
in practice have double duty entry on yet another gismo was annoying.
Putting a flight plan into the 430 AND doing the same on the 396 was
just too much work with all the aditional work load being IFR. So I
finally ditched the idea of a 396/496 for workload and for cockpit
clutter reasons
3. The GRT has only partial features of the other options, but I finally
decided that the $1.5k costs gave be the bulk of the information I was
interested in.
The installation was straight forward. I got a photo copy page of the
wiring diagram and some penciled in notes to go on. It took a phone call
to GRT to get it running. I was not impressed with that. A simple DOC of
instructions would have been nice. I took the afternoon off and was
fortunate to have been able to get them on the phone during business
hours to get the efis settings right. Nothing frustrates me more than to
be in the hanger at night trying to get something working with critical
information in someones head who is in bed asleep. The experimental wold
of EFIS's need a lot of work in the doc department. I mean a lot of
work. I have owned GRT, BMA, and Dynon and they ALL need help in this
department.
I did have to move some serial interfaces around on the unit to get the
wx to work. The penciled in notes gave me the right info to do this.
Took several calls to XM radio to get the access initiated on the box.
This was 2 hours and a dead battery to get that done.
Total hardware install time was 2 hours. Add phone calls and the 30 min
activation wait and see it come on times, and it was 5 hours total.
I flew with it 6 hours this weekend and find it to be worth while. The
information is easy to access and generally readable. We had a ton of
weather around us all weekend and I actually was able to thread some
cells when navigating my flight home from a Kentucky get together. That
was nice.
I really like having it integrated into my panel and find this far
superior to having to deal with the handheld. When you enter plight
plans into the 430, it spawns out to the GRT and the MX20 nicely and
makes for a nicely completed system. Having them all talk to each other
is key for pilot workload in an IFR enviornment.
The display slows down significantly with the radar info turned on.
Zooming in and out as well as slewing around was painful at times. Add
the radar loop feature and the system is pretty taxed to get you what
you need. Average radar age was 5 minutes. Page redraw times can exceed
10 seconds in map mode. Thankfully I have another EFIS giving me
attitude info while messing with radar on the moving map page. WOrking
the radar inages and decisioning with a single EFIS would not be doable.
You really need full map mode to view the radar and when you do that,
your efis attitude is gone.
The GRT display interms of clarity is fair. I have never been that
impressed with the resolution and putting wx on definatley exaserbates
the issue. Having an MX20 right below it really shows you the difference
between a good screen and a fair one. But it is workable and I can live
with the clarity and slow refresh speeds.
End of update.
Mike
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| Subject: | GRT Wx Impressions |
RE: "Putting a flight plan into the 430 AND doing the same on the 396 was
just too much work with all the aditional work load being IFR.".
You can connect any Garmin panel-mount GPS and the 396/496 together, enter
the flight plan on the panel mount unit, and it will be displayed on the
396/496.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 9:10 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GRT Wx Impressions
Since you guys were on the topic I thought I would fwd this I sent to
another group.
Before that, on the GRT vs BMA thread, let me say that I have Both the BMA
G3 lite and the GRT EFIS ~300 hours on em, and flew the Dynon for about 800
hours in my 6 so I have a little experience with those 3.
There is no way Id enter IFR with the BMA alone. It lockups up, freezes, and
generally is not very reliable. I have seen others with same issues on their
message board. The GRT has only locked up once which they promptly fixed
with a software update. I feel very confident with the GRT EFIS stability
and reliability.
I finally broke down and installed the wx option on the GRT last weekend. I
have been holding off on this as I was hoping for some other solution that
better suits my needs. Couple items worth noting:
1. I have an MX20 which has an obscene $5k+ cost to get going.
2. I did not want to clutter up my cockpit with yet another gismo to mess
with. I tried a friends 396 and although a nice unit, I found that in
practice have double duty entry on yet another gismo was annoying. Putting a
flight plan into the 430 AND doing the same on the 396 was just too much
work with all the aditional work load being IFR. So I finally ditched the
idea of a 396/496 for workload and for cockpit clutter reasons
3. The GRT has only partial features of the other options, but I finally
decided that the $1.5k costs gave be the bulk of the information I was
interested in.
The installation was straight forward. I got a photo copy page of the wiring
diagram and some penciled in notes to go on. It took a phone call to GRT to
get it running. I was not impressed with that. A simple DOC of instructions
would have been nice. I took the afternoon off and was fortunate to have
been able to get them on the phone during business hours to get the efis
settings right. Nothing frustrates me more than to be in the hanger at night
trying to get something working with critical information in someones head
who is in bed asleep. The experimental wold of EFIS's need a lot of work in
the doc department. I mean a lot of work. I have owned GRT, BMA, and Dynon
and they ALL need help in this department.
I did have to move some serial interfaces around on the unit to get the wx
to work. The penciled in notes gave me the right info to do this.
Took several calls to XM radio to get the access initiated on the box. This
was 2 hours and a dead battery to get that done.
Total hardware install time was 2 hours. Add phone calls and the 30 min
activation wait and see it come on times, and it was 5 hours total.
I flew with it 6 hours this weekend and find it to be worth while. The
information is easy to access and generally readable. We had a ton of
weather around us all weekend and I actually was able to thread some cells
when navigating my flight home from a Kentucky get together. That was nice.
I really like having it integrated into my panel and find this far superior
to having to deal with the handheld. When you enter plight plans into the
430, it spawns out to the GRT and the MX20 nicely and makes for a nicely
completed system. Having them all talk to each other is key for pilot
workload in an IFR enviornment.
The display slows down significantly with the radar info turned on. Zooming
in and out as well as slewing around was painful at times. Add the radar
loop feature and the system is pretty taxed to get you what you need.
Average radar age was 5 minutes. Page redraw times can exceed 10 seconds in
map mode. Thankfully I have another EFIS giving me attitude info while
messing with radar on the moving map page. WOrking the radar inages and
decisioning with a single EFIS would not be doable. You really need full map
mode to view the radar and when you do that, your efis attitude is gone.
The GRT display interms of clarity is fair. I have never been that impressed
with the resolution and putting wx on definatley exaserbates the issue.
Having an MX20 right below it really shows you the difference between a good
screen and a fair one. But it is workable and I can live with the clarity
and slow refresh speeds.
End of update.
Mike
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| Subject: | capacitor sizing |
A friend of mine asked if I could come up with a variable voltage source to
check the trip rating on his homegrown voltage regulator/OV protector. I
have an autotransformer that would work well, but the output is AC. Running
through a bridge rectifier would be no problem, but I would like to add a
capacitor to smooth the output waveform. I do not have an o-scope
available, so I am looking for suggestions as to capacitor size needed. Any
help appreciated.
Tom Barter
Kesley, IA
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Joe Dubner <jdubner@yahoo.com>
Bob,
I found SoftComm to be very responsive on the phone when I needed a
wiring diagram and a schematic of my Softcomm intercom. Phone: (480)
917-2328 in Arizona.
Yes, they actually fax'd me a *schematic* for my unit so I was able to
repair it myself! One doesn't see much of that in this day and age.
My info is for their 2-place unit but I think the 2- and 4-place units
are similar. If for some reason you still need info after contacting
SoftComm, Email me and I'll Email you a JPEG of the wiring diagram
and/or schematic.
--
Joe
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Joe Dubner K7JD | 523 Cedar Avenue | users.lewiston.com/hth/jd/
Long-EZ 821RP | Lewiston, ID 83501 | +1 208 305-2688
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On 07-Aug-06 04:36 Bob Verwey wrote:
> I HAVE A 4 PLACE SOFTCOMM INTERCOMM (PANEL MOUNT) that was removed from an
> aircraft with side cutters! The looms cut off next to the plugs and jack
> ends missing. Any ideas on where to find a wiring diagram for the pin -outs?
>
>
>
> Thanx
>
> Bob Verwey
>
> A35 Bonanza
>
> ZU-DLW
>
>
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| Subject: | Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Use an underwater photography box and install a valve to pump up the pressure to
the required amount. The camera boxes seal well, and should be rated to several
hundred feet, which should allow for significant pressure, but in the reverse
direction, so testing will need to be done.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, John Schroeder wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> Brian -
>
> I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max
> altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?
I think that Pomona has machined boxes with gaskets that may be sealed.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this system.
(Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is cheap and
should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum. They have huge
market share due to price, giving them plenty of resources to offer a solid
product.
The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM - not
Dynon features.
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reginald
E. DeLoach
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems like they
have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the D100. Any personal
experiences either pro or con?
red :}
Peter Pengilly wrote:
PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem to have a
very well engineered product. http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Beadle
Sent: 05 August 2006 00:14
Subject: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for a
reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor - prices turn out to
be pretty similar.
Thanks
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: SOFTCOMM WIRING |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:13 AM 8/7/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Joe Dubner <jdubner@yahoo.com>
>
>Bob,
>
>I found SoftComm to be very responsive on the phone when I needed a
>wiring diagram and a schematic of my Softcomm intercom. Phone: (480)
>917-2328 in Arizona.
>
>Yes, they actually fax'd me a *schematic* for my unit so I was able to
>repair it myself! One doesn't see much of that in this day and age.
>
>My info is for their 2-place unit but I think the 2- and 4-place units
>are similar. If for some reason you still need info after contacting
>SoftComm, Email me and I'll Email you a JPEG of the wiring diagram
>and/or schematic.
Cool! I'll call them myself and see if they'll let me mirror their
installation data on my website.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
U/W photography equipment is designed to take
high pressure on the outside. They use O-rings,
and the pressure differential acts to seat the
o-ring better the higher the pressure. I imagine
if the high pressure were on the inside instead,
they might not work as well, unless you could
make the exterior clamps really tight.
You might also try a Pelican case. Those already
have a rotating valve to equalize or seal off pressure differentials.
Dave Morris
At 10:59 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lloyd,
>Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
>Use an underwater photography box and install a
>valve to pump up the pressure to the required
>amount. The camera boxes seal well, and should
>be rated to several hundred feet, which should
>allow for significant pressure, but in the
>reverse direction, so testing will need to be done.
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:04 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
>On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, John Schroeder wrote:
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
> > <jschroeder@perigee.net>
> >
> > Brian -
> >
> > I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max
> > altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?
>
>I think that Pomona has machined boxes with gaskets that may be sealed.
>
>Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
>brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
>+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
>I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
>- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Harry -
Thanks for the explanation.This is indeed good news.
Cheers,
John
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:47:35 -0400, Harry Manvel <hmanvel@manvel.com> wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harry Manvel"
> <hmanvel@manvel.com>
>
> John,
> As it was explained to me at their booth at OSH, AnywhereMap is
> retrofitting the ss hard drives into the Motion tablet, and selling them
> as the LS800SS or something to that effect.
> HM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schroeder"
> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
>> <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>>
>> Harry -
>>
>> Do I read your posting as: Anywhere Map is offering a Motion Tablet
>> with a hard drive? If so, Anywhere Map is the orange and Motion is the
>> Apple - pun intended. They are two different companies.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:01:44 -0400, Harry Manvel <hmanvel@manvel.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anywheremap has sourced one. They are offering a new version of the
>>> motion with that ss hard drive.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: GRT Wx Impressions |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com>
Thanks for the report Mike,
Unfortunately, your friend must not have had the Garmin 430 and 396
connected by the serial data line. The two units, if properly connected,
will transfer the flight plans requiring only a single data entry in the
430. They also connect to the SL-30 radios to pre-select the frequencies as
the flight progresses.
Of course, if it's not plugged in...it will never work. ;-)
James Redmon
Berkut #013 N97TX
http://www.berkut13.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GRT Wx Impressions
2. I did not want to clutter up my cockpit with yet another gismo to mess
with. I tried a friends 396 and although a nice unit, I found that in
practice have double duty entry on yet another gismo was annoying. Putting a
flight plan into the 430 AND doing the same on the 396 was just too much
work with all the aditional work load being IFR. So I finally ditched the
idea of a 396/496 for workload and for cockpit clutter reasons
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| Subject: | GRT Wx Impressions |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Thanks for the info James.
I just borrowed to throw in my plane.
Ive had a couple emails correcting me. I was not aware the 496 had a
serial IN to take an outside data stream.
Best
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
Redmon
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GRT Wx Impressions
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon"
<james@berkut13.com>
Thanks for the report Mike,
Unfortunately, your friend must not have had the Garmin 430 and 396
connected by the serial data line. The two units, if properly
connected,
will transfer the flight plans requiring only a single data entry in the
430. They also connect to the SL-30 radios to pre-select the
frequencies as
the flight progresses.
Of course, if it's not plugged in...it will never work. ;-)
James Redmon
Berkut #013 N97TX
http://www.berkut13.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GRT Wx Impressions
2. I did not want to clutter up my cockpit with yet another gismo to
mess
with. I tried a friends 396 and although a nice unit, I found that in
practice have double duty entry on yet another gismo was annoying.
Putting a
flight plan into the 430 AND doing the same on the 396 was just too much
work with all the aditional work load being IFR. So I finally ditched
the
idea of a 396/496 for workload and for cockpit clutter reasons
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
You should look @ Op Technologies
http://www.optechnologies.com/products.html
They are more pricey than GRT but they have all of the functionality of
a Chelton at lower cost with bigger screens + a certified EIS included
you can also load & display your charts.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Dan Beadle wrote:
> If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this
> system. (Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is
> cheap and should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum.
> They have huge market share due to price, giving them plenty of
> resources to offer a solid product.
>
> The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM
> not Dynon features.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Reginald E. DeLoach
> *Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2006 6:57 AM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
> What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems like
> they have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the D100. Any
> personal experiences either pro or con?
> red :}
>
> Peter Pengilly wrote:
>
>> PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem to
>> have a very well engineered product.
>> http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Dan Beadle
>> *Sent:* 05 August 2006 00:14
>> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for
>> a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
>> buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor prices turn
>> out to be pretty similar.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dan
>>
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| Subject: | Re: capacitor sizing |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Hi Tom
I'd suggest the largest electrolytic capacitor that you have sitting
around. Pretty much anything should work since the gate draws little
current. You might need a load resistor to help bleed the capacitor
voltage off when reducing the voltage.
Another way might be to just to add a couple of 1.5 volt flashlight
batteries in series with the main battery. Or for more precision you
could also use a variable resistor across one or more of the extra
batteries to tap off a variable voltage.
Ken
kesleyelectric wrote:
> A friend of mine asked if I could come up with a variable voltage
> source to check the trip rating on his homegrown voltage regulator/OV
> protector. I have an autotransformer that would work well, but the
> output is AC. Running through a bridge rectifier would be no problem,
> but I would like to add a capacitor to smooth the output waveform. I
> do not have an o-scope available, so I am looking for suggestions as
> to capacitor size needed. Any help appreciated.
>
> Tom Barter
> Kesley, IA
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| Subject: | GRT Wx Impressions |
Mike,
Good info. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GRT Wx Impressions
Since you guys were on the topic I thought I would fwd this I sent to
another group.
Before that, on the GRT vs BMA thread, let me say that I have Both the
BMA G3 lite and the GRT EFIS ~300 hours on em, and flew the Dynon for
about 800 hours in my 6 so I have a little experience with those 3.
There is no way Id enter IFR with the BMA alone. It lockups up, freezes,
and generally is not very reliable. I have seen others with same issues
on their message board. The GRT has only locked up once which they
promptly fixed with a software update. I feel very confident with the
GRT EFIS stability and reliability.
I finally broke down and installed the wx option on the GRT last
weekend. I have been holding off on this as I was hoping for some other
solution that better suits my needs. Couple items worth noting:
1. I have an MX20 which has an obscene $5k+ cost to get going.
2. I did not want to clutter up my cockpit with yet another gismo to
mess with. I tried a friends 396 and although a nice unit, I found that
in practice have double duty entry on yet another gismo was annoying.
Putting a flight plan into the 430 AND doing the same on the 396 was
just too much work with all the aditional work load being IFR. So I
finally ditched the idea of a 396/496 for workload and for cockpit
clutter reasons
3. The GRT has only partial features of the other options, but I finally
decided that the $1.5k costs gave be the bulk of the information I was
interested in.
The installation was straight forward. I got a photo copy page of the
wiring diagram and some penciled in notes to go on. It took a phone call
to GRT to get it running. I was not impressed with that. A simple DOC of
instructions would have been nice. I took the afternoon off and was
fortunate to have been able to get them on the phone during business
hours to get the efis settings right. Nothing frustrates me more than to
be in the hanger at night trying to get something working with critical
information in someones head who is in bed asleep. The experimental wold
of EFIS's need a lot of work in the doc department. I mean a lot of
work. I have owned GRT, BMA, and Dynon and they ALL need help in this
department.
I did have to move some serial interfaces around on the unit to get the
wx to work. The penciled in notes gave me the right info to do this.
Took several calls to XM radio to get the access initiated on the box.
This was 2 hours and a dead battery to get that done.
Total hardware install time was 2 hours. Add phone calls and the 30 min
activation wait and see it come on times, and it was 5 hours total.
I flew with it 6 hours this weekend and find it to be worth while. The
information is easy to access and generally readable. We had a ton of
weather around us all weekend and I actually was able to thread some
cells when navigating my flight home from a Kentucky get together. That
was nice.
I really like having it integrated into my panel and find this far
superior to having to deal with the handheld. When you enter plight
plans into the 430, it spawns out to the GRT and the MX20 nicely and
makes for a nicely completed system. Having them all talk to each other
is key for pilot workload in an IFR enviornment.
The display slows down significantly with the radar info turned on.
Zooming in and out as well as slewing around was painful at times. Add
the radar loop feature and the system is pretty taxed to get you what
you need. Average radar age was 5 minutes. Page redraw times can exceed
10 seconds in map mode. Thankfully I have another EFIS giving me
attitude info while messing with radar on the moving map page. WOrking
the radar inages and decisioning with a single EFIS would not be doable.
You really need full map mode to view the radar and when you do that,
your efis attitude is gone.
The GRT display interms of clarity is fair. I have never been that
impressed with the resolution and putting wx on definatley exaserbates
the issue. Having an MX20 right below it really shows you the difference
between a good screen and a fair one. But it is workable and I can live
with the clarity and slow refresh speeds.
End of update.
Mike
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
Now, wait just one darn minute....If I may correct a few statements that I
believe are a little mis-stated :)...
Chelton is about 10K more pricey than a GRT system, I'll give ya that. But
the screen size thing flew out the window at OSH, when Chelton announced 10"
displays. The costs of the OP, with all the goodies is actually more money
than the Chelton. Also, Op is still using the Xbow 42x AHRS, the one that
is currently recommended for VFR use only. Even the newly fixed ones are
still failing.
As for the charts topic... I can't remember, but I believe that the Chelton
also can display the approach plates if you like.
I know of no component on the OP that is "certified", unlike the Chelton,
which is tested to DO-160e, uses the same code as the certified box,
supports TSO-146, 146a and meets the WAAS GPS as sole navigation
requirements.
BUT, This list certainly isn't the list to "review and critique" the virtues
of either system. For that, I'd invite you to make sure you do adequate
research on the full gamet. From the low end to the high end.
As someone else stated on this or a different forum. For the prospective
buying. Before you do anything, set down with a clean sheet of paper and
write down your goals. List things like Backup requirements, flight
requirements, inflight data requirements (Weather, Lightning, etc), List
your size requirements, and latestly list the level of integration that you
want. The full gamet is possible from 6pack replacement only to fully
integrated FMS systems (with their associated complexities).
Then start the vendor research and figure out what meets your requirements.
Using what I say, or what someone else says is useless if it isn't how you
are going to use the system.
I would offer one other perspective. If you are going to do IFR with a
system. Make sure you don't fall victim of the "light IFR" concept. There
is no such thing. It's sorta like being a "little pregnant". If you are
going to use it in the crud, then make sure you think thru how the system
can fail, how it's been testing, and what the value of your cargo is and
factor that into your equation.
Good luck, and happy hunting.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
Davis
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
--> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
You should look @ Op Technologies
http://www.optechnologies.com/products.html
They are more pricey than GRT but they have all of the functionality of a
Chelton at lower cost with bigger screens + a certified EIS included you can
also load & display your charts.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Dan Beadle wrote:
> If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this
> system. (Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is
> cheap and should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum.
> They have huge market share due to price, giving them plenty of
> resources to offer a solid product.
>
> The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM -
> not Dynon features.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Reginald E. DeLoach
> *Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2006 6:57 AM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>
> What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems like
> they have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the D100. Any
> personal experiences either pro or con?
> red :}
>
> Peter Pengilly wrote:
>
>> PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem to
>> have a very well engineered product.
>> http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Dan Beadle
>> *Sent:* 05 August 2006 00:14
>> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for
>> a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
>> buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor - prices turn
>> out to be pretty similar.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dan
>>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sorry, Alan, but the Op Tech 8.4 " Sport (non-certified) has a larger
screen than the equivalent Chelton Sport (non-certified), it also
displays more information on its screen/s real estate than does the
Chelton, it uncludes a JPI 950 EIS within the price, and regarding the
Crossbow. The Op Tech used the 420 which is the same hardware as the
failing 425, but contains different software. (Crossbow wrote the 425 to
Chelton's specs) There are no reports of the Crossbow failing in Op
installations. And I think if you'll check your figures again, the
OpSport is *definitely* priced below the Chelton Sport, )and then add
on to the cost of the Chelton the EIS of your choice. I'm not trying to
start a pissing match, my response was intended to show that there are
more options than were being discussed. My clean sheet of paper led me
to the OP Tech, others mileage will no doubt vary. Freedom of choice is
indeed a marvelous blessing.
Deems
Alan K. Adamson wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
>
>Now, wait just one darn minute....If I may correct a few statements that I
>believe are a little mis-stated :)...
>
>Chelton is about 10K more pricey than a GRT system, I'll give ya that. But
>the screen size thing flew out the window at OSH, when Chelton announced 10"
>displays. The costs of the OP, with all the goodies is actually more money
>than the Chelton. Also, Op is still using the Xbow 42x AHRS, the one that
>is currently recommended for VFR use only. Even the newly fixed ones are
>still failing.
>
>As for the charts topic... I can't remember, but I believe that the Chelton
>also can display the approach plates if you like.
>
>I know of no component on the OP that is "certified", unlike the Chelton,
>which is tested to DO-160e, uses the same code as the certified box,
>supports TSO-146, 146a and meets the WAAS GPS as sole navigation
>requirements.
>
>BUT, This list certainly isn't the list to "review and critique" the virtues
>of either system. For that, I'd invite you to make sure you do adequate
>research on the full gamet. From the low end to the high end.
>
>As someone else stated on this or a different forum. For the prospective
>buying. Before you do anything, set down with a clean sheet of paper and
>write down your goals. List things like Backup requirements, flight
>requirements, inflight data requirements (Weather, Lightning, etc), List
>your size requirements, and latestly list the level of integration that you
>want. The full gamet is possible from 6pack replacement only to fully
>integrated FMS systems (with their associated complexities).
>
>Then start the vendor research and figure out what meets your requirements.
>Using what I say, or what someone else says is useless if it isn't how you
>are going to use the system.
>
>I would offer one other perspective. If you are going to do IFR with a
>system. Make sure you don't fall victim of the "light IFR" concept. There
>is no such thing. It's sorta like being a "little pregnant". If you are
>going to use it in the crud, then make sure you think thru how the system
>can fail, how it's been testing, and what the value of your cargo is and
>factor that into your equation.
>
>Good luck, and happy hunting.
>Alan
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>Davis
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:01 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>--> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>You should look @ Op Technologies
>
>http://www.optechnologies.com/products.html
>
>They are more pricey than GRT but they have all of the functionality of a
>Chelton at lower cost with bigger screens + a certified EIS included you can
>also load & display your charts.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Dan Beadle wrote:
>
>
>
>>If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this
>>system. (Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is
>>cheap and should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum.
>>They have huge market share due to price, giving them plenty of
>>resources to offer a solid product.
>>
>>The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM -
>>not Dynon features.
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--
>>
>>*From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>*Reginald E. DeLoach
>>*Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2006 6:57 AM
>>*To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>*Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>
>>What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems like
>>they have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the D100. Any
>>personal experiences either pro or con?
>>red :}
>>
>>Peter Pengilly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem to
>>>have a very well engineered product.
>>>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
>>>
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>*From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>*Dan Beadle
>>>*Sent:* 05 August 2006 00:14
>>>*To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>*Subject:* AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>>
>>>Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for
>>>a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
>>>buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor - prices turn
>>>out to be pretty similar.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "richard titsworth" <rtitsworth@mindspring.com>
I'm interested to hear from anyone with OPTech EFIS experience.
In my research/investigation I discovered (among other things) that it takes
several menu steps/button presses to do a common/simple ATC Com Freq
handoff. While not a big deal itself, it is just extra (unnecessary)
workload.
At FNS06 I was told they were working on that (hinted at a new button/menu
layout/system). At OSH06, nothing new. They did have their "Pegasus"
system on demo which has dedicated Com buttons and were saying that it is
nothing new (several years old). However, Iit is not their web site as an
available product. All seems pretty questionable.
Just looking for independent confirmation and/or enlightenment.
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
Deems,
At least we can have a civil discussion... And I agree...No point in hashing
the full discussion here. A couple of quick points tho.
I have since determined that indeed the Chelton does *not* (at least at this
time), do approach plates, but somewhere in the back of my mind, I've seen
that... Hmmm..
Also, I also agreed with the comment about the screen size, but Chelton
announced at OSH, larger displays also in a "vertical" or portrait mode.
Also just so people don't think this is only a software conversation around
the Xbow AHRS. The 420 and 425 problems are not *only* software problems,
they are *also* hardware problems. The problems seem to be related to RMI,
EMI, GPS, and Lightning, either the 420, nor the 425 have any protections in
their hardware for these (GPS is a different thing, could be software, or
hardware). Also in a brief conversation with the OP guys at OSH, they did
advise that at least one of their customers had seen the problem in the 420
that they used and I believe it was swapped out for the revised version,
don't know if it resolve the problem or not.
Lastly, let's make sure we are talking apples to apples. The OPSport is a
"single screen" system, the Chelton Sport is a dual screen unit with full
redundancy between them. Also, the OPSport may come with the JPI, but the
literature says it requires probes to be purchases separately, last I looked
a prob kit wasn't extremely expensive, but wasn't cheap either. Chelton, at
one time, did offer a single screen unit, but most people opted for the dual
for redundancy and a dedicated MFD.
I believe if you'll take an apples to apples approach, you'll find my
original comments (with the exception of the approach charts, and I'm still
looking for that) were correct.
Isn't it amazing how discussions on EFIS systems are so "threatening"...
Just an observation, thanks for having a civil conversation...Enough of
this...
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
Davis
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
--> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sorry, Alan, but the Op Tech 8.4 " Sport (non-certified) has a larger screen
than the equivalent Chelton Sport (non-certified), it also displays more
information on its screen/s real estate than does the Chelton, it uncludes a
JPI 950 EIS within the price, and regarding the Crossbow. The Op Tech used
the 420 which is the same hardware as the failing 425, but contains
different software. (Crossbow wrote the 425 to Chelton's specs) There are no
reports of the Crossbow failing in Op installations. And I think if you'll
check your figures again, the OpSport is *definitely* priced below the
Chelton Sport, )and then add on to the cost of the Chelton the EIS of your
choice. I'm not trying to start a pissing match, my response was intended to
show that there are more options than were being discussed. My clean sheet
of paper led me to the OP Tech, others mileage will no doubt vary. Freedom
of choice is indeed a marvelous blessing.
Deems
Alan K. Adamson wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
>--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
>
>Now, wait just one darn minute....If I may correct a few statements
>that I believe are a little mis-stated :)...
>
>Chelton is about 10K more pricey than a GRT system, I'll give ya that.
>But the screen size thing flew out the window at OSH, when Chelton
announced 10"
>displays. The costs of the OP, with all the goodies is actually more
>money than the Chelton. Also, Op is still using the Xbow 42x AHRS, the
>one that is currently recommended for VFR use only. Even the newly
>fixed ones are still failing.
>
>As for the charts topic... I can't remember, but I believe that the
>Chelton also can display the approach plates if you like.
>
>I know of no component on the OP that is "certified", unlike the
>Chelton, which is tested to DO-160e, uses the same code as the
>certified box, supports TSO-146, 146a and meets the WAAS GPS as sole
>navigation requirements.
>
>BUT, This list certainly isn't the list to "review and critique" the
>virtues of either system. For that, I'd invite you to make sure you do
>adequate research on the full gamet. From the low end to the high end.
>
>As someone else stated on this or a different forum. For the
>prospective buying. Before you do anything, set down with a clean
>sheet of paper and write down your goals. List things like Backup
>requirements, flight requirements, inflight data requirements (Weather,
>Lightning, etc), List your size requirements, and latestly list the
>level of integration that you want. The full gamet is possible from
>6pack replacement only to fully integrated FMS systems (with their
associated complexities).
>
>Then start the vendor research and figure out what meets your requirements.
>Using what I say, or what someone else says is useless if it isn't how
>you are going to use the system.
>
>I would offer one other perspective. If you are going to do IFR with a
>system. Make sure you don't fall victim of the "light IFR" concept.
>There is no such thing. It's sorta like being a "little pregnant". If
>you are going to use it in the crud, then make sure you think thru how
>the system can fail, how it's been testing, and what the value of your
>cargo is and factor that into your equation.
>
>Good luck, and happy hunting.
>Alan
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>Deems Davis
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:01 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>--> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>You should look @ Op Technologies
>
>http://www.optechnologies.com/products.html
>
>They are more pricey than GRT but they have all of the functionality of
>a Chelton at lower cost with bigger screens + a certified EIS included
>you can also load & display your charts.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Dan Beadle wrote:
>
>
>
>>If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this
>>system. (Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is
>>cheap and should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum.
>>They have huge market share due to price, giving them plenty of
>>resources to offer a solid product.
>>
>>The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM -
>>not Dynon features.
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--
>>
>>*From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>*Reginald E. DeLoach
>>*Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2006 6:57 AM
>>*To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>*Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>
>>What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems like
>>they have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the D100. Any
>>personal experiences either pro or con?
>>red :}
>>
>>Peter Pengilly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem to
>>>have a very well engineered product.
>>>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
>>>
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>*From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>*Dan Beadle
>>>*Sent:* 05 August 2006 00:14
>>>*To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>*Subject:* AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>>
>>>Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for
>>>a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
>>>buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor - prices turn
>>>out to be pretty similar.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On Aug 7, 2006, at 10:53 AM, kesleyelectric wrote:
> A friend of mine asked if I could come up with a variable voltage
> source to check the trip rating on his homegrown voltage regulator/
> OV protector. I have an autotransformer that would work well, but
> the output is AC. Running through a bridge rectifier would be no
> problem, but I would like to add a capacitor to smooth the output
> waveform. I do not have an o-scope available, so I am looking for
> suggestions as to capacitor size needed. Any help appreciated.
Why don't you just borrow a variable voltage DC power supply from
someone?
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
One thing you will find about OP Tech is that they are less than quick
about letting you know about what is up and coming. Not really great
for building user excitement. However they are very much alive and
well. As a matter of fact they are seeking certification which is part
of the reason they have been quiet and nothing much is changing. As far
as the X-bow you can upgrade to the certified 500 series if you really
are concerned but as Deems said the problems were with the Chelton
specific version of the 400 series. Also there is no way to view the
charts on the Chelton at this time let alone flying the chart as the OP
does.
I am seriously looking at the OP stuff. Previously I was planning on
the Chelton but the PR fiasco with the changing price a while back and
the x-bow stuff has me a little chilled. Also keep in mind that they
haven't really developed anything new in a long time either. The 10"
screen for Chelton is news to me but I probably don't want to see how
much more that will cost either.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
richard titsworth
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "richard titsworth"
--> <rtitsworth@mindspring.com>
I'm interested to hear from anyone with OPTech EFIS experience.
In my research/investigation I discovered (among other things) that it
takes several menu steps/button presses to do a common/simple ATC Com
Freq handoff. While not a big deal itself, it is just extra
(unnecessary) workload.
At FNS06 I was told they were working on that (hinted at a new
button/menu layout/system). At OSH06, nothing new. They did have their
"Pegasus"
system on demo which has dedicated Com buttons and were saying that it
is nothing new (several years old). However, Iit is not their web site
as an available product. All seems pretty questionable.
Just looking for independent confirmation and/or enlightenment.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Mike Dennis, owner of Oregon Aero took one of his two Pilatus PC-12s and
made it Experimental to install FLIR in the top of the vertical stab. I
will see if he used Optech and Flir (another Oregon company).
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
Davis
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
<deemsdavis@cox.net>
You should look @ Op Technologies
http://www.optechnologies.com/products.html
They are more pricey than GRT but they have all of the functionality of
a Chelton at lower cost with bigger screens + a certified EIS included
you can also load & display your charts.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Dan Beadle wrote:
> If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this
> system. (Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is
> cheap and should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum.
> They have huge market share due to price, giving them plenty of
> resources to offer a solid product.
>
> The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM -
> not Dynon features.
>
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Both the Chelton and the OP are single screen or dual screen and both
have the option of adding a second or third screen. You can do a one to
one comparison based on the prices by ignoring the name next to each.
The Chelton does not include the EIS or the probes while the OP only
doesn't include the probes. Neither OP nor Chelton are fully redundant
at the ADHARS level, only the screen/processing level. Also keep in
mind that the new AFS stuff uses x-bow but it may be the 500 series and
I believe GRT also might but I'm not positive. However the GRT is a
fully redundant system.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
K. Adamson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
Deems,
At least we can have a civil discussion... And I agree...No point in
hashing the full discussion here. A couple of quick points tho.
I have since determined that indeed the Chelton does *not* (at least at
this time), do approach plates, but somewhere in the back of my mind,
I've seen that... Hmmm..
Also, I also agreed with the comment about the screen size, but Chelton
announced at OSH, larger displays also in a "vertical" or portrait mode.
Also just so people don't think this is only a software conversation
around the Xbow AHRS. The 420 and 425 problems are not *only* software
problems, they are *also* hardware problems. The problems seem to be
related to RMI, EMI, GPS, and Lightning, either the 420, nor the 425
have any protections in their hardware for these (GPS is a different
thing, could be software, or hardware). Also in a brief conversation
with the OP guys at OSH, they did advise that at least one of their
customers had seen the problem in the 420 that they used and I believe
it was swapped out for the revised version, don't know if it resolve the
problem or not.
Lastly, let's make sure we are talking apples to apples. The OPSport is
a "single screen" system, the Chelton Sport is a dual screen unit with
full redundancy between them. Also, the OPSport may come with the JPI,
but the literature says it requires probes to be purchases separately,
last I looked a prob kit wasn't extremely expensive, but wasn't cheap
either. Chelton, at one time, did offer a single screen unit, but most
people opted for the dual for redundancy and a dedicated MFD.
I believe if you'll take an apples to apples approach, you'll find my
original comments (with the exception of the approach charts, and I'm
still looking for that) were correct.
Isn't it amazing how discussions on EFIS systems are so "threatening"...
Just an observation, thanks for having a civil conversation...Enough of
this...
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
Davis
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
--> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sorry, Alan, but the Op Tech 8.4 " Sport (non-certified) has a larger
screen than the equivalent Chelton Sport (non-certified), it also
displays more information on its screen/s real estate than does the
Chelton, it uncludes a JPI 950 EIS within the price, and regarding the
Crossbow. The Op Tech used the 420 which is the same hardware as the
failing 425, but contains different software. (Crossbow wrote the 425 to
Chelton's specs) There are no reports of the Crossbow failing in Op
installations. And I think if you'll check your figures again, the
OpSport is *definitely* priced below the Chelton Sport, )and then add
on to the cost of the Chelton the EIS of your choice. I'm not trying to
start a pissing match, my response was intended to show that there are
more options than were being discussed. My clean sheet of paper led me
to the OP Tech, others mileage will no doubt vary. Freedom of choice is
indeed a marvelous blessing.
Deems
Alan K. Adamson wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
>--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
>
>Now, wait just one darn minute....If I may correct a few statements
>that I believe are a little mis-stated :)...
>
>Chelton is about 10K more pricey than a GRT system, I'll give ya that.
>But the screen size thing flew out the window at OSH, when Chelton
announced 10"
>displays. The costs of the OP, with all the goodies is actually more
>money than the Chelton. Also, Op is still using the Xbow 42x AHRS, the
>one that is currently recommended for VFR use only. Even the newly
>fixed ones are still failing.
>
>As for the charts topic... I can't remember, but I believe that the
>Chelton also can display the approach plates if you like.
>
>I know of no component on the OP that is "certified", unlike the
>Chelton, which is tested to DO-160e, uses the same code as the
>certified box, supports TSO-146, 146a and meets the WAAS GPS as sole
>navigation requirements.
>
>BUT, This list certainly isn't the list to "review and critique" the
>virtues of either system. For that, I'd invite you to make sure you do
>adequate research on the full gamet. From the low end to the high end.
>
>As someone else stated on this or a different forum. For the
>prospective buying. Before you do anything, set down with a clean
>sheet of paper and write down your goals. List things like Backup
>requirements, flight requirements, inflight data requirements (Weather,
>Lightning, etc), List your size requirements, and latestly list the
>level of integration that you want. The full gamet is possible from
>6pack replacement only to fully integrated FMS systems (with their
associated complexities).
>
>Then start the vendor research and figure out what meets your
requirements.
>Using what I say, or what someone else says is useless if it isn't how
>you are going to use the system.
>
>I would offer one other perspective. If you are going to do IFR with a
>system. Make sure you don't fall victim of the "light IFR" concept.
>There is no such thing. It's sorta like being a "little pregnant". If
>you are going to use it in the crud, then make sure you think thru how
>the system can fail, how it's been testing, and what the value of your
>cargo is and factor that into your equation.
>
>Good luck, and happy hunting.
>Alan
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>Deems Davis
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:01 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>--> <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>You should look @ Op Technologies
>
>http://www.optechnologies.com/products.html
>
>They are more pricey than GRT but they have all of the functionality of
>a Chelton at lower cost with bigger screens + a certified EIS included
>you can also load & display your charts.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Dan Beadle wrote:
>
>
>
>>If I were going to fly VFR only, I certainly would go with this
>>system. (Maybe couple with a G496 to get weather and moving map) It is
>>cheap and should be far more reliable, over the long run, than vacuum.
>>They have huge market share due to price, giving them plenty of
>>resources to offer a solid product.
>>
>>The trouble I am having is I want solid IFR with moving map and XM -
>>not Dynon features.
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--
>>
>>*From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>*Reginald E. DeLoach
>>*Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2006 6:57 AM
>>*To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>*Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>
>>What about Dynon? Going to do simple mostly VFR day stuff. Seems like
>>they have pretty good bang for the bucks. Looking toward the D100. Any
>>personal experiences either pro or con?
>>red :}
>>
>>Peter Pengilly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>PS Have you considered Advanced Flight Systems? They also seem to
>>>have a very well engineered product.
>>>http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/
>>>
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>*From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>*Dan Beadle
>>>*Sent:* 05 August 2006 00:14
>>>*To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>*Subject:* AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
>>>
>>>Does anyone have recommendations on GRT vs BMA-Lite? I am looking for
>>>a reliable IFR unit. I will go with Dual AHRS, separate avionics
>>>buss/battery, etc. The real decision is which vendor - prices turn
>>>out to be pretty similar.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GRT Wx Impressions |
Mike,
I got a reply from the guys at GRT regarding screen resolution:
"High resolution screen is in development at this time. As with all of
our
products if you wish to upgrade in the future your EFIS One would be
worth
full purchase price toward the high res screen. Our software engineer is
aware of draw speed for weather and working on this and other
enhancements.
I should mention that the data XM provides is sometimes the source of
the
slow speed, this is something that we can not control."
I've been thinking about Dynon because of bang for the buck issues, but
based on features for the buck, I'm leaning towards GRT now.
By the way, how is the GRT display in direct sunlight?
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GRT Wx Impressions
>snip<
The display slows down significantly with the radar info turned on.
Zooming in and out as well as slewing around was painful at times. Add
the radar loop feature and the system is pretty taxed to get you what
you need. Average radar age was 5 minutes. Page redraw times can exceed
10 seconds in map mode. Thankfully I have another EFIS giving me
attitude info while messing with radar on the moving map page. WOrking
the radar inages and decisioning with a single EFIS would not be doable.
You really need full map mode to view the radar and when you do that,
your efis attitude is gone.
The GRT display interms of clarity is fair. I have never been that
impressed with the resolution and putting wx on definatley exaserbates
the issue. Having an MX20 right below it really shows you the difference
between a good screen and a fair one. But it is workable and I can live
with the clarity and slow refresh speeds.
End of update.
Mike
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
As the guy who derailed Tim Olson's pursuit of GRT towards Chelton
months ago (Jim Hergert's panel in N6XE)... I need to pipe in that my
meeting with Schrameck's guys at Epic LT gave the following support.
They are 68 units back-ordered in production over in Bend, OR. They
have decided to standardize on the OpTech panel for all production. No
GRT, No Dynon, No BMA, and no Chelton. They are in pursuit of a twin jet
version and bringing the company into Certification (Part 23) just like
Lancair/Columbia.
That is no small commitment for a multi-million dollar aircraft
manufacturer.
I want to thank Deems for his insight, his post and his confidence in
their equipment, cause all of this discussion is invaluable to the
learning process. Data comes quick in a turbojet and they are not
usually VFR only. No horse in the race.
John Cox
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
One thing you will find about OP Tech is that they are less than quick
about letting you know about what is up and coming. Not really great
for building user excitement. However they are very much alive and
well. As a matter of fact they are seeking certification which is part
of the reason they have been quiet and nothing much is changing. As far
as the X-bow you can upgrade to the certified 500 series if you really
are concerned but as Deems said the problems were with the Chelton
specific version of the 400 series. Also there is no way to view the
charts on the Chelton at this time let alone flying the chart as the OP
does.
I am seriously looking at the OP stuff. Previously I was planning on
the Chelton but the PR fiasco with the changing price a while back and
the x-bow stuff has me a little chilled. Also keep in mind that they
haven't really developed anything new in a long time either. The 10"
screen for Chelton is news to me but I probably don't want to see how
much more that will cost either.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sorry, one last thing. The 10" Chelton screen is only available in the
certified model. If you need to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
Uh, don't think that's true.... Maybe I got my inches wrong, but D2AV had a
handout of the "large display" (could it have been 8.4", I don't
remember")... Coming soon to an Avionics Shop near your. Not just for the
Certified guys, but also for the EX guys...plus new digital radios.
Alan
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sorry, one last thing. The 10" Chelton screen is only available in the
certified model. If you need to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Just talked to Josh and you are correct. They look very nice! About
the same price as a G900. Just like the OP though, I don't see the
point of an integrated radios. Lot more money for not much added
functionality. Personal preference I guess. One thing I thought was
funny was the number of digits on the radio display at OSH. Only one
digit past the decimal point. Hmmmm.
Michael Sausen
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
K. Adamson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
Uh, don't think that's true.... Maybe I got my inches wrong, but D2AV
had a handout of the "large display" (could it have been 8.4", I don't
remember")... Coming soon to an Avionics Shop near your. Not just for
the Certified guys, but also for the EX guys...plus new digital radios.
Alan
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sorry, one last thing. The 10" Chelton screen is only available in the
certified model. If you need to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Craig Berland" <cberland@systems3.net>
Alan, you are correct. The large display is approx. 10.25 total height
with approx. 8.25 screen height. I have two on order for experimental.
Craig Berland
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
Uh, don't think that's true.... Maybe I got my inches wrong, but D2AV
had a handout of the "large display" (could it have been 8.4", I don't
remember")... Coming soon to an Avionics Shop near your. Not just for
the Certified guys, but also for the EX guys...plus new digital radios.
Alan
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sorry, one last thing. The 10" Chelton screen is only available in the
certified model. If you need to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
Um, who said anything about "integrated" as OP does. I'll rephrase that to
"faceless". The Cheltons are standalone radios/Transponder that can be
integrated into the FMS. I have no idea of price but I understand they will
be available in standalone with the funky screws and standalone with regular
mounting (for us normal folks). They may also come with a removable face
that would let you mount the bulk of the hardware elsewhere.
Also, not sure what you are talking about on the radios. The card that I
saw looked normal, and here is the webpage, the displays are 2 digits past
the decimal, just like everyone else. The unit on top is a transponder.
http://www.d2av.com/Radios/
Alan
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Just talked to Josh and you are correct. They look very nice! About
the same price as a G900. Just like the OP though, I don't see the
point of an integrated radios. Lot more money for not much added
functionality. Personal preference I guess. One thing I thought was funny
was the number of digits on the radio display at OSH. Only one digit past
the decimal point. Hmmmm.
Michael Sausen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan K.
Adamson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
Uh, don't think that's true.... Maybe I got my inches wrong, but D2AV had a
handout of the "large display" (could it have been 8.4", I don't
remember")... Coming soon to an Avionics Shop near your. Not just for the
Certified guys, but also for the EX guys...plus new digital radios.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sorry, one last thing. The 10" Chelton screen is only available in the
certified model. If you need to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" <aadamson@highrf.com>
Also for those following the bouncing ball.
The chelton large display price comparison to the G900 that Micheal is
making is for a combo system with radios and in the Chelton Pro line (not
the certified line, but the Pro experimental line). All the conversation
that I've had to date has been around the pricing of the "sport" line...
Ok, I'm done with this topic...and have wasted enough bandwidth. If you are
looking and you are going to spend these kinds of dollars, for heavens sake,
go fly behind any of them before you buy!
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Just talked to Josh and you are correct. They look very nice! About
the same price as a G900. Just like the OP though, I don't see the
point of an integrated radios. Lot more money for not much added
functionality. Personal preference I guess. One thing I thought was funny
was the number of digits on the radio display at OSH. Only one digit past
the decimal point. Hmmmm.
Michael Sausen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan K.
Adamson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson"
--> <aadamson@highrf.com>
Uh, don't think that's true.... Maybe I got my inches wrong, but D2AV had a
handout of the "large display" (could it have been 8.4", I don't
remember")... Coming soon to an Avionics Shop near your. Not just for the
Certified guys, but also for the EX guys...plus new digital radios.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? Op Tech
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sorry, one last thing. The 10" Chelton screen is only available in the
certified model. If you need to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Buildus Interuptus due to moving
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| Subject: | Re which encoder to buy |
I need the rs232 output for the gps, any comments on ACK or Transcal, or
other recommendation? Thank you, Skip Simpson
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| Subject: | Tablet/Laptop use in Aircraft |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
I can get your drive to 14,500 - about:
Time: 07:30:00 AM PST US
From: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT?
Here is a note for you tablet PC guys=85. If you plain to fly above
10,000 ft msl then you are going to need a solid state =91hard drive=92.
I
have experienced many hard drive failures before we figured out what the
problem was. Come to find out when the air gets thin you don=92t have
enough air cushion to keep the hard drive head off the memory platters.
When the head hits the platter the drive fails. We had to convert all
of our on board pc=92s to solid state drives. This was very expensive
and
you only get limited amount of space, so say goodbye to all those music
files.
Mike Larkin
Lancair Legacy
TS-11
Kitfox IV
A-320
Say, there,
I can get your drive to 14,500ft - about:
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_ee25.pdf
around 200CAD, or US$1.50/1 EURO/.75UKP
Good to 40,000ft if you don't turn it on.
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
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| Subject: | Re which encoder to buy |
If it were me, I would get the Sandia. They have a better reputation.
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CardinalNSB@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:56 PM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re which encoder to buy
I need the rs232 output for the gps, any comments on ACK or Transcal, or
other recommendation? Thank you, Skip Simpson
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| Subject: | Re which encoder to buy |
I sorta like the RMI microencoder. You also get a full air data computer.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonVS
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:18 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re which encoder to buy
If it were me, I would get the Sandia. They have a better reputation.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CardinalNSB@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re which encoder to buy
I need the rs232 output for the gps, any comments on ACK or Transcal, or
other recommendation? Thank you, Skip Simpson
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| Subject: | Re: Re which encoder to buy |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mitchell Faatz <mitch@skybound.com>
CardinalNSB@aol.com wrote:
> I need the rs232 output for the gps, any comments on ACK or Transcal,
> or other recommendation? Thank you, Skip Simpson
Our local avionics guru HIGHLY recommended the Transcal so I got one
(feeds the Garmin 330 with temp probe to show density altitude to 10 ft
resolution).
Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA
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