---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/20/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:00 AM - Definitions: Certified, certificated (Eric M. Jones) 2. 08:31 AM - Re: Definitions: Certified, certificated (Dave N6030X) 3. 09:59 AM - Re: Bob's Dimmner and Electroluminescent strips (Ken) 4. 02:47 PM - Re: Definitions: Certified, certificated (Brian Lloyd) 5. 02:47 PM - Re: Definitions: Certified, certificated (Brian Lloyd) 6. 02:59 PM - Re: Tablet/Laptop use in Aircraft (MLAS) 7. 05:55 PM - MOV's (Alan K. Adamson) 8. 06:53 PM - Supplier question for 2-10 switch (rlnelson5) 9. 08:00 PM - Re: Supplier question for 2-10 switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 10. 08:01 PM - Re: MOV's (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:45 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Definitions: Certified, certificated From: "Eric M. Jones" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" There has been some confusion over using the terms "Certified" and Certificated" I hope I can clarify this. Certified: Endorsed by authorities as having met specific requirements or possessing certain qualities; e.g. " Certified Public Accountant", i.e., skilled at altering or destroying documents, ignoring or failing to investigate shell companies created by insiders who grotesquely enriched themselves while hiding mounting corporate debt in "off-balance-sheet companies."; Ignoring knowledgeable whistleblowers and accounting "red flags" that indicate massive fraud is taking place; misleading investors who continued pouring their money into failing companies. Certifiable: Determined to be insane or non compos mentis; e.g. I know who I am. No one else knows who I am. If I was a giraffe, and someone said I was a snake, I'd think, no, actually I'm a giraffe. - Richard Gere Certificated: A person or object that has been judged to meet certain standards, e.g. airworthiness or as in certificated flight instructor. The term signifies that a printed official-looking paper (a ticket, slang for certificate) is likely somewhere to be found. Discussion--The FAA is reasonably careful to avoid the word certify except in the sense of swear or confirm. For example: you only have to certify that you have no medical defect You must certify the application form by reading, answering, signing, and dating. to certify the record is true and complete. Just thought this would help. -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones@charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55887#55887 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:31 AM PST US From: Dave N6030X Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Definitions: Certified, certificated --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X But Master Eric, does that mean I'm "certifiable" if I pay $8,600 for a JPI EDM-900-4 for a "certified" aircraft, when that same JPI EDM-900-4 part number is listed at $3,200 if I install it in an "amateur-built" aircraft? And if not, does it mean the people who install it in an "amateur-built" aircraft are getting an inferior product? Or is this just another case of "certificated" lawyers and accountants and other paper-pushers cashing in on $5,400 of free money? (snicker) Dave Morris At 09:59 AM 8/20/2006, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" > >There has been some confusion over using the >terms "Certified" and Certificated" I hope I can clarify this. > >Certified: Endorsed by authorities as having met >specific requirements or possessing certain >qualities; e.g. " Certified Public Accountant", >i.e., skilled at altering or destroying >documents, ignoring or failing to investigate >shell companies created by insiders who >grotesquely enriched themselves while hiding >mounting corporate debt in "off-balance-sheet >companies."; Ignoring knowledgeable >whistleblowers and accounting "red flags" that >indicate massive fraud is taking place; >misleading investors who continued pouring their money into failing companies. > >Certifiable: Determined to be insane or non >compos mentis; e.g. I know who I am. No one >else knows who I am. If I was a giraffe, and >someone said I was a snake, I'd think, no, >actually I'm a giraffe. - Richard Gere > >Certificated: A person or object that has been >judged to meet certain standards, e.g. >airworthiness or as in certificated >flight instructor. The term signifies that a >printed official-looking paper (a ticket, >slang for certificate) is likely somewhere to be found. > >Discussion--The FAA is reasonably careful to >avoid the word certify except in the sense >of swear or confirm. For example: > >you only have to certify that you have no medical defect >You must certify the application form by >reading, answering, signing, and dating. >to certify the record is true and complete. > >Just thought this would help. > >-------- >Eric M. Jones >www.PerihelionDesign.com >113 Brentwood Drive >Southbridge, MA 01550 >(508) 764-2072 >emjones@charter.net > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55887#55887 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:37 AM PST US From: Ken Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bob's Dimmner and Electroluminescent strips --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken Bill My homebuilt aeroelectric dimmer works well. The dimmer has a 4 volt minimum brightness setting for incandescant bulbs. With the small cube inverter that came with my strips I found that the 4 volt minimum setting was a bit high so I swapped out the 910 ohm resisistor for a 150 ohm resistor so that the minimum voltage is now about 1.7 volts. You may find that is not necessary on your installation but I like to dim the strips quite a bit on dark nights. Ken N941WR wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "N941WR" > >I bought an AeroElectric multi light dimmer from a builder who never used it in his aircraft. > >The dimmer will work great for the few lights, radio, and transponder I am installing in my RV-9. > >One question though, I have an electroluminescent strip above my switch and fuse panel. Can this be controlled through 'lectric Bob's dimmer? > >-------- >Bill >RV-9 (Working on the finishing kit) > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:37 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Definitions: Certified, certificated --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Aug 20, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Dave N6030X wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave N6030X > > > But Master Eric, does that mean I'm "certifiable" if I pay $8,600 > for a JPI EDM-900-4 for a "certified" aircraft, when that same JPI > EDM-900-4 part number is listed at $3,200 if I install it in an > "amateur-built" aircraft? And if not, does it mean the people who > install it in an "amateur-built" aircraft are getting an inferior > product? Or is this just another case of "certificated" lawyers > and accountants and other paper-pushers cashing in on $5,400 of > free money? Yes. Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:39 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Definitions: Certified, certificated --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Aug 20, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Eric M. Jones wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" > > > There has been some confusion over using the terms "Certified" and > Certificated" I hope I can clarify this. I officially induct you into the International Order of Pedants. Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:27 PM PST US From: "MLAS" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tablet/Laptop use in Aircraft --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "MLAS" Good find for those who fly at 14,500 and lower... Still to low for me... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tablet/Laptop use in Aircraft > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > I can get your drive to 14,500 - about: > Time: 07:30:00 AM PST US > From: "Mike" > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EFIS - BMA or GRT? > > Here is a note for you tablet PC guys=85. If you plain to fly above > 10,000 ft msl then you are going to need a solid state =91hard drive=92. > I > have experienced many hard drive failures before we figured out what the > problem was. Come to find out when the air gets thin you don=92t have > enough air cushion to keep the hard drive head off the memory platters. > When the head hits the platter the drive fails. We had to convert all > of our on board pc=92s to solid state drives. This was very expensive > and > you only get limited amount of space, so say goodbye to all those music > files. > > Mike Larkin > > Lancair Legacy > TS-11 > Kitfox IV > A-320 > > Say, there, > I can get your drive to 14,500ft - about: > http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_ee25.pdf > around 200CAD, or US$1.50/1 EURO/.75UKP > Good to 40,000ft if you don't turn it on. > > Ferg Kyle > Europa A064 914 Classic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:01 PM PST US From: "Alan K. Adamson" Subject: AeroElectric-List: MOV's --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" Bob, Just curious if a design element changed, or if they were there due to the composite structure and some other phenomena. In your "WireBook" for the Lancair IVP, you use MOV's across lots of contactors, switches, etc. And yet, your book doesn't show, nor discuss them at least not as far as I've found. Did something change since you did that wirebook, or do you recommend them on composites? Thanks in advanced, Alan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:27 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Supplier question for 2-10 switch From: "rlnelson5" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rlnelson5" Hello, I am in the middle of rewiring my plane and would like to use the 2-10 switches for my mstr/alt and head/taxi lights. I have most other swiches I needed and just needed those 2 switches. I checked B+C and saw that they are 19.50 each For 2 39 +9 shipping . ouch . I was wondering if that is the best price for that type of switch or is there other alternative suppliers./part numbers. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55989#55989 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:13 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Supplier question for 2-10 switch --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 06:51 PM 8/20/2006 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rlnelson5" > >Hello, I am in the middle of rewiring my plane and would like to use the >2-10 switches for my mstr/alt and head/taxi lights. I have most other >swiches I needed and just needed those 2 switches. I checked B+C and saw >that they are 19.50 each For 2 39 +9 shipping . ouch . I was wondering >if that is the best price for that type of switch or is there other >alternative suppliers./part numbers. Thanks Those are the low price versions. They go up from there. See: http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=642-2185&SEARCH=2tl1%2D10&n=&MPN=2TL1%2D10&DESC=2TL1%2D10 Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:42 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: MOV's --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 08:53 PM 8/20/2006 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Alan K. Adamson" > > >Bob, > >Just curious if a design element changed, or if they were there due to the >composite structure and some other phenomena. > >In your "WireBook" for the Lancair IVP, you use MOV's across lots of >contactors, switches, etc. And yet, your book doesn't show, nor discuss >them at least not as far as I've found. Did something change since you did >that wirebook, or do you recommend them on composites? Low voltage MOV's are hard to find and more expensive than diodes. Neat idea but not practical in low voltage DC systems. Hence the switch to diodes in later documents. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > ---------------------------------------------------------