---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/05/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:45 AM - Stop the Nuckolls bashing (Bob Verwey) 2. 07:53 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 10/04/06 (William Morgan) 3. 08:01 AM - Cessna Tray... () 4. 08:01 AM - Re: Knurl driver.... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Teaching (raymondj) 6. 03:56 PM - Knurled nut driver (Jim S) 7. 04:35 PM - Panel Serviceability (Dennis Johnson) 8. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Coax Crimp tools (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) 9. 06:22 PM - Re: Knurled nut driver (Jim Baker) 10. 06:28 PM - Re: Knurl driver.... (Tim & Diane Shankland) 11. 08:17 PM - Re: Radio Rack Screws (B Tomm) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:36 AM PST US From: "Bob Verwey " Subject: AeroElectric-List: Stop the Nuckolls bashing Please guys, I fear the alienation of 'the' Bob is drawing inexorably nearer. Take it off list if you have an ongoing issue. Bob Verwey A35 Bonanza ZU-DLW ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:19 AM PST US From: William Morgan Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 10/04/06 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: William Morgan I got mine from lane pilot store on ebay stores scott At 01:55 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote: >Time: 06:44:29 AM PST US >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pin extraction tool KMA 24 or PMA 7000 >From: "N395V" > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "N395V" > >Anyone have any idea of the name or number for the honeywell pin >extraction and >insertion tool for the connectors on KMA 24 or PS eng PMA7000 audio panels and >where I can get them?? > >-------- >Milt >N395V >F1 Rocket -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:06 AM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Cessna Tray... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: I'm looking for other things to check before I dis-assemble the radio rack. I have a older narco cessna replacement radio with a bad display. Discussed with the radio shop and bought a new Michel TKM MX300 to replace the radio. The new MX300 doesn't want to slide in the last 1/8 or 1/16 of an inch. All the contacts seem to be making up except the com antenna. - Vor works fine - both Nav and HIWAS. - I can get some hiss with the Squelch test button but no AWOS. MX300 Radio works fine in another airplane. Different MX300 has the same problem in this airplane. Checked antenna connections. old Narco works fine, as well as an old RT328. Unless you all have a suggestion, me and A&P are going to pull the tray and try to find why the radio doesn't make up the Com antenna connection. Nothing obviuos in tray or back of radio. Mitch Williams Chickasha Wings Inc. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:11 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Knurl driver.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 09:53 PM 10/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > >Does anyone have a source for a knurled nut (ring) driver as >were used on older switches/breakers? Tessco (?) used to have >one..these things are rare. I haven't seen those listed in the catalogs for years. I used to have one but don't even recall the last time used or even saw it. I'll ask around. Bob . . . --------------------------------------------------------- < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that > < the authority which determines whether there can be > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests > < with experiment. > < --Lawrence M. Krauss > --------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:01 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Thoughts on Teaching --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "raymondj" Mr. Nuckolls, Reasonable people may disagree. Thank you again for your thoughtful replies. I don't believe the cause of herding electrons will be further served by any additional input from me on this topic. Cordially, Raymond Julian -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Thoughts on Teaching --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 01:43 AM 10/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "raymondj" > >Mr. Nuckolls, > >It is my opinion that your particular style of teaching is appropriate for >students that are only marginally interested in the question and in seeking >the solutions. I disagree. Permit me to elaborate: I was exceedingly fortunate in my formative years to have enjoyed the attention of an engineer at Boeing who was also an amateur radio operator. I knew ALL the hams within about 20 blocks of my house. Ed was particularly influential in that he never directly answered a question. He began to ask me questions . . . laying foundations which supported the answer I was looking for. More often than not, I would end up answering my own question. The process of mental imaging and logical assemblage of simple-ideas were powerful teaching tools. I used those tools only years later when he got me my first teaching job at Wichita U in an adult education course where a number of my students were former foremen of mine at Boeing. A few years later, those tools served me (and my students) well at Great Lakes. I'll respectfully suggest that the marginally interested student is ONLY seeking answers. Charles Kettering once noted: "Knowledge is not understanding. One may know a great deal and yet understand nothing." It's the INTENTLY interested individual that ENJOYS and will take the time to ponder the underlying support for a concept so that understanding is achieved. >I make the assumption that those who subscribe to the list and take the time >to read and reply to the list have a high level of motivation. One may be motivated to do many things and on many levels. The hallmark of achievement at anything is never a turn-key process. Tiger Woods probably hits balls every day. Yehudi Menuhin picked up his violin every day. Thomas Edison's thinking was probably NEVER silent on the task of pondering some new problem. If there are other ways to achieve understanding, I don't know what they are. However, if I can make it fun too, THEN there is hope for gathering the marginally interested student into the conversation as well. Therefore I (and those who would take time to participate here on the List) are stuck with the best I know how to do today. It's never easy but if it isn't fun too, then folks are free to take their business elsewhere. >I would be served better by the presentation of as much of the available >data as practical at the beginning of the solution process. >Thank you for taking the time to respond. I understand but as I wrote earlier I am disappointed that you are disappointed. Please understand that if my motivation were to simply be a disseminator of esoteric knowledge, then I am in danger of being replaced by Ask.com and Google. If I am to honor those to took the time to share with me in years past, then it's my duty to understand the value of what they gave me and to pass my inheritance forward. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:43 PM PST US From: Jim S Subject: AeroElectric-List: Knurled nut driver >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > >Does anyone have a source for a knurled nut (ring) driver as >were used on older switches/breakers? Tessco (?) used to have >one..these things are rare. Hey Rev - is this what you're looking for? http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Tools:_Toggle_switch_wrench.html Jim Sinke N93634 KLZU --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:24 PM PST US From: "Dennis Johnson" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panel Serviceability Hi Bob, Thanks for your suggestion for wiring the panel with adequate wire for service loops. That's what I'll do! Thanks, Dennis Johnson do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:01 PM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Coax Crimp tools --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 10/4/06 1:46:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nuckollsr@cox.net writes: > I think the 'low cost' coax tool at RS is for television > "F" connectors. They also list a tool with hex dies and > a "small" hole for about $18.00 > > See http://tinyurl.com/jbn46 > > For MOST of the RG-58/RG-400 connectors out there you > need a reasonably accurate .213" hex die (shield sleeve) > and a .068" square or hex die (center pin). I've > encountered tools that were properly marked but in > fact were slightly over or under-sized and didn't > produce the desired crimp. > > You can take a pair of calipers with you to the store > http://tinyurl.com/8b18 and check the tool before you > buy it. Go for .213" minus .000" plus .001" and > .068" plus/minus .001" > > These tools are made and offered by dozens of folks > from all walks of technology and while most are pretty > good, you don't want to find one that's not so good > AFTER you've bought the tool and are needing to FINISH > the job. > > Bob . . . ==================== Listen to what Bob says! Or you can simply use the soldering pencil you already have. And the wrench already in your tool box. And not have to worry or bring a caliper to the store. And not have to drive to the store. And save the gas for the plane. AND learn the simple task of how to make a moisture protected wrench and solder BNC. Guad, I love being old school. I don't have to learn new ways to do old thing and reinvent the wheel. Kisses Bob Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:29 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Knurled nut driver X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > >Does anyone have a source for a knurled nut (ring) driver as > >were used on older switches/breakers? Tessco (?) used to have > >one..these things are rare. > > Hey Rev - is this what you're looking for? > > http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Tools:_Toggle_switch_wrench.html I'd seen this one listed and thought it might be a candidate. Thanks for the heads-up. The one I'd seen before looked like a split, tapered tube with a threaded ferrule to squeeze the tube around the nut. I may end up having to get busy on the lathe and make one. I'd have to figure out how to knurl the ID of the end, tho....hmmmmm. Take apart a steel knurling tool wheel and use a hyd. press? Maybe. Thanks, all. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:17 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Knurl driver.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Jim, Not to be an additional bearer of bad tidings but several years ago I needed several of those knurled rings that go on the circuit breakers. I checked the internet and went to the nut and local nut and bolt companies in town. Nobody could match it. I finally contacted the company that made the breaker and talked to someone who had a few lying around that he could give me. Hope you have better luck Tim Shankland Jim Baker wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > >Does anyone have a source for a knurled nut (ring) driver as >were used on older switches/breakers? Tessco (?) used to have >one..these things are rare. > >Jim Baker >580.788.2779 >Elmore City, OK > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:12 PM PST US From: "B Tomm" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Radio Rack Screws Where does one buy stainless nutplates? Bevan _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Rack Screws Chris Most Stainless Steel alloys are not magnetic either, so that could also be used. Take a magnet with you to the vendor. Check a sample of a SS screw to make sure it's not magnetic, before you buy it. I also used Stainless Steel nutplates on my panel for that reason. Charlie Kuss --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Byrne" I am assembling my radio stack. The supports to holding the radio trays together are AL angle. Do the screws holding the whole assy together have to be brass? I only have metal. Regards Chris AeroElectric-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://forums.matronics.com - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - http://wiki.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution