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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Need low cost schematic program (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 05:42 AM - Radio interference when receiving (Geoff Leedham)
3. 08:41 AM - stud sizes on Sky tec starter (Bill Boyd)
4. 12:05 PM - Marker Beacon Antenna (Roger E. Bentlage)
5. 12:59 PM - Re: Serial input transponders? (Doug Windhorn)
6. 01:23 PM - Re: Marker Beacon Antenna (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 02:51 PM - SuperBob was Re: Need low cost schematic program (Doug Windhorn)
8. 04:30 PM - Re: SuperBob was Re: Need low cost schematic program (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 04:42 PM - So you can't wait for window's Vista? (Harley)
10. 06:30 PM - Re: SuperBob was Re: Need low cost schematic program (Bret Smith)
11. 06:30 PM - Re: So you can't wait for window's Vista? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 07:14 PM - Re: So you can't wait for window's Vista? (Dave N6030X)
13. 07:32 PM - Re: 8AWG Wire to Fast-On Connection (Larry Rosen)
14. 10:06 PM - Re: So you can't wait for window's Vista? (Steve Thomas)
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| Subject: | Re: Need low cost schematic program |
At 10:10 PM 1/15/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>Here is a site that offers 5 boards for as low as $13 per board, 5 day
>turnaround. I have not yet used them (as I have not yet mastered Eagle
>PCB software to the point of producing a board), but I will certainly give
>them a try in the future.
>
>http://ecommerce.pcbfabexpress.com/index.jsp
>
>Ed
Interesting! Thanks for the heads-up.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Radio interference when receiving |
I have a new Jabiru 2200 (85hp) installed in a Murphy Maverick with an
Icom IC-A200 panel mount VHFand an external antenna mounted throughthe
fuselage skin midway between the cabin and fin using the fuselage for a
groundplane.
I am picking up ignition interference when receiving which increases
with engine speed.
I have tried running the radio from an independant power supply to
eliminate installation wiring and still get the same problem, which
seems to indicate that the antenna is picking up the radiated noise.
The engine has suppressed ht leads to the plugs but I am not sure about
the leads to the coils.I checked the rotor arms for security and they
seem fine.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to cure the problem?
Geoff Leedham
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| Subject: | stud sizes on Sky tec starter |
I'm planning a PIDG terminal order and can't find this nugget on the
skytec website: anybody know the stud sizes for the various terminals
on the SkyTec Lycoming PM starter? Want to be sure I order the
correct thing.
TIA,
Bill B.
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| Subject: | Marker Beacon Antenna |
An old topic but I could not find the information.
I plan to install the marker beacon antenna on the lower cowl of a RV-7 and
have a couple of questions:
1. Is the 40" length mandatory or will 32 to 36" work?
2. Can the antenna be made from coax with the outer braid and insulation
stripped leaving only the center wire and insulation as the antenna?
3. Can the antenna be installed along the upper edge of the lower cowl or
will the vertically oriented fiberglass (side of cowl) mask the signal?
4. Does the antenna have to be straight for its entire length or is a 90*
turn for the last 6" acceptable?
A lot of concern for a system that will be gone in a few years but it's
there so I might as well use it.
Thanks in advance,
Roger,
RV-7 Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Serial input transponders? |
The Apollo SL70 does, if it is still available.
Doug Windhorn
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 15 January, 2007 19:06
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Serial input transponders?
Gang:
I am planning a minimalist glass cockpit, and find that my EFIS will
output serial altitude data directly. Anyone have a list of which
transponders will accept serial input?
I know that the Garmin GTX-327 does. What about the -320A? What
about any of the new NARCO boxes? Becker? Microair? Others? (Keep in
the in range of $2000=B1 GA units. I know that the fancier $datalink$
units all do.) The serial-Gillman converter is about $250, which gives
me some lattitude in selecting a slightly pricier serial-compatible
unit.)
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Marker Beacon Antenna |
I made mine 40" and curled the end round over the last 6"...It works
great. I stuck mine in the bottom....Unless you intend to fly
approaches inverted I would do the same again..:)
Like you I stripped a length of Coax.
One piece of advice, make the connection where you can reach it thru the
oil door. I put mine on the other side, amazing how many times I've had
to remove the top cowl again after forgetting to hook up the antenna.
Frank 7a...Doing my IFR training
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
E. Bentlage
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marker Beacon Antenna
--> <bentlage@sbcglobal.net>
An old topic but I could not find the information.
I plan to install the marker beacon antenna on the lower cowl of a RV-7
and have a couple of questions:
1. Is the 40" length mandatory or will 32 to 36" work?
2. Can the antenna be made from coax with the outer braid and insulation
stripped leaving only the center wire and insulation as the antenna?
3. Can the antenna be installed along the upper edge of the lower cowl
or will the vertically oriented fiberglass (side of cowl) mask the
signal?
4. Does the antenna have to be straight for its entire length or is a
90* turn for the last 6" acceptable?
A lot of concern for a system that will be gone in a few years but it's
there so I might as well use it.
Thanks in advance,
Roger,
RV-7 Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Need low cost schematic program |
Bob has a new superpower - development of new words!-}
Just for laughs, I punched "ambiformexerous" into several search engines and
dictionaries - all drew a blank. Webster couldn't even suggest anything
close.
Where DO you come up with these?
Doug Windhorn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, 14 January, 2007 19:20
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Need low cost schematic program
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:35 PM 1/14/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>><echristley@nc.rr.com>
>>
>>Vern Little wrote:
>>><rv-9a-online@telus.net>
>>>
>>>Greg: Here is exactly what you need... it's free and very easy to use:
>>>
>>>http://www.expresspcb.com/
>>>
>>>Here is a schematic for my RV-9A, and a library of custom components:
>>>
>>>http://vx-aviation.com/page_3.html
>>>
>>>Have fun.
>>>
>>>Vern Little
>>Vern, just a word of warning.
>>
>>The difference between 'free' and 'open source' is that the program can
>>disappear, leaving a library of custom components worthless. Make sure
>>you make backups of your work in a format that is not proprietary.
>>
>>I spent about a year learning to do 3D CAD with Pro/Desktop while the tech
>>industry was in the recent slump. I was nearly finished with a complete
>>rendition of a virtual Dyke Delta, when the makers of the program decided
>>that they were no longer interested in having people learn to use their
>>software for free. They were kind enough to give out keys that enabled
>>the software for 5yrs, but I quickly lost mine in a harddrive crash. I
>>still have the files, but they are useless without a program to interpret
>>them. I did convert a few of the parts to STEP files, so they are usable
>>in other programs, but most of the work has to be written off as an
>>'educational' exercise. If I had taken an hour or so to save each of the
>>components in a more universal format I wouldn't get a sick feeling
>>whenever I look at those files.
>
> Most serious CAD programs are ambiformexerous . . . they'll input
> and output a variety of popular formats. For example, my AutoCAD
> .dwg files can be opened directly by a variety of competitive programs.
> Further, I can save in .dxf and IGES formats that will transport the
> drawings to other applications. It's good to research these capabilties
> before you infest much $time$ in a CAD based documentation project.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need low cost schematic program |
At 02:48 PM 1/16/2007 -0800, you wrote:
><N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
>
>Bob has a new superpower - development of new words!-}
>
>Just for laughs, I punched "ambiformexerous" into several search engines
>and dictionaries - all drew a blank. Webster couldn't even suggest
>anything close.
>
>Where DO you come up with these?
uuuhhh . . . wud u believe where the sun don't shine?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be released this week? Saw a
review of the final version on PC Magazine online, today...Here's some
of the results of the testing and review that PC Magazine did on it.
They tested the SAME versions that you'll get in the store, and on all
types of new machines, laptops, low end, high end, minimum memory and
speed, maximum, etc...
I only included some more general cons, but you'll hear about all the
claimed pluses from Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of
course, they probably won't mention these...
Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
Harley
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vista won't let you install over an OS that has a C:\Users
multiple-users folder. I didn't realize this until after I'd started the
installation and typed in my Vista product key. When it came time to
choose between a clean install and an overlay, the overlay wasn't an
option. So I moved my Users folder. But now the install wouldn't take:
Vista thought I'd already completed installation. It took me days to
straighten things out
Vista's real competitor, though, is Windows XP. For many users, XP is
still good enough. And for all the advances in Vista, it's hard to avoid
seeing the things that aren't as good as they could have been.
Nor is Vista bug-free. As I assessed final code, I ran into a variety of
small but annoying glitches and found plenty of features that didn't
work as seamlessly as I would have liked. I can't shake the feeling that
Vista's release was rushed.
Hefty hardware requirements. Minor bugs and rough edges in UI. Lack of a
killer app to compel adoption. Many features also available for Windows
XP users.
Vista offers improvements over Windows XP, but most of them are
conveniences rather than essentials.
Incompatibility issues with latest graphics card drivers from ATI
Some games were more sluggish than in Windows XP Pro.
Had to uninstall Norton Internet Security
Had to remove McAfee security applications
You can't back up your entire system if running a FAT32 file system.
Drive Encryption did not recognize the Trusted Platform Module; you'll
need an NTFS file system, TPM, and a BIOS update to run BitLocker.
Vista did not recognize the integrated Sierra Wireless EV-DO card.
Screen orientation, arrow, and escape buttons on the tablet screen do
not work.
Had to convert the file system of the C: partition to NTFS before
proceeding.
Installing Vista is a lot slower on a budget PC, taking over 3 hours
You might do better with Vista Home Basic. But if that's what you
choose, you'll need to install it fresh and reinstall all your
applications, because you can't upgrade to Home Basic, only to Premium
or Ultimate.
Office 2003 works just as well and as fast as it does in XP, so you
don't have to upgrade to Office 2007.
Integrated graphics and 512MB of system memory just aren't enough
Slow when installing programs, playing games, and encoding video. Media
Center works, but loading video is slow.
Bugs appeared in older games
Vista did not support ATI's CrossFire
Installer did not autodetect all components,
32-bit programs are installed in a Program Files (x86) folder, which can
cause problems for older installers that don't like parentheses in
their folder names.
Video became garbled after 15 minutes of viewing live and recorded TV.
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| Subject: | Re: Need low cost schematic program |
>uuuhhh . . . wud u believe where the sun don't shine?
Bob . . .<
THIS is why I subscribe to this list...
Do not archive
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: SuperBob was Re: AeroElectric-List: Need low cost schematic
program
--> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 02:48 PM 1/16/2007 -0800, you wrote:
><N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
>
>Bob has a new superpower - development of new words!-}
>
>Just for laughs, I punched "ambiformexerous" into several search
>engines and dictionaries - all drew a blank. Webster couldn't even
>suggest anything close.
>
>Where DO you come up with these?
uuuhhh . . . wud u believe where the sun don't shine?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
Umm, what does this have to do with aviation electrics?
Not to mention it's scary that a PC rag writes a review on a product
when they obviously can't do it objectively. Half of the gripes below
are because of vendor drivers, not Vista and the other half are RTFM
items. He's also running the 64 bit version which is not the norm for
the average consumer (you can tell by his x86 comment). Lots of things
should keep the average Joe from switching to Vista as XP is just fine
and there is always OSX or other UNIX variants for those inclined or
adventurous, unfortunately this so called review missed the mark.
(been running Vista on a "NOT ready for Vista" laptop for 3 months just
fine)
Do not archive this unrelated garbage
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Harley
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: So you can't wait for window's Vista?
So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be released this week? Saw a
review of the final version on PC Magazine online, today...Here's some
of the results of the testing and review that PC Magazine did on it.
They tested the SAME versions that you'll get in the store, and on all
types of new machines, laptops, low end, high end, minimum memory and
speed, maximum, etc...
I only included some more general cons, but you'll hear about all the
claimed pluses from Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of
course, they probably won't mention these...
Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
Harley
________________________________
Vista won't let you install over an OS that has a C:\Users
multiple-users folder. I didn't realize this until after I'd started the
installation and typed in my Vista product key. When it came time to
choose between a clean install and an overlay, the overlay wasn't an
option. So I moved my Users folder. But now the install wouldn't take:
Vista thought I'd already completed installation. It took me days to
straighten things out
Vista's real competitor, though, is Windows XP. For many users, XP is
still good enough. And for all the advances in Vista, it's hard to avoid
seeing the things that aren't as good as they could have been.
Nor is Vista bug-free. As I assessed final code, I ran into a variety of
small but annoying glitches and found plenty of features that didn't
work as seamlessly as I would have liked. I can't shake the feeling that
Vista's release was rushed.
Hefty hardware requirements. Minor bugs and rough edges in UI. Lack of a
killer app to compel adoption. Many features also available for Windows
XP users.
Vista offers improvements over Win-dows XP, but most of them are
conveniences rather than essentials.
Incompatibility issues with latest graphics card drivers from ATI
Some games were more sluggish than in Windows XP Pro.
Had to uninstall Norton Internet Security
Had to remove McAfee security applications
You can't back up your entire system if running a FAT32 file system.
Drive Encryption did not recognize the Trusted Platform Module; you'll
need an NTFS file system, TPM, and a BIOS update to run BitLocker.
Vista did not recognize the integrated Sierra Wireless EV-DO card.
Screen orientation, arrow, and escape buttons on the tablet screen do
not work.
Had to convert the file system of the C: partition to NTFS before
proceeding.
Installing Vista is a lot slower on a budget PC, taking over 3 hours
You might do better with Vista Home Basic. But if that's what you
choose, you'll need to install it fresh and reinstall all your
applications, because you can't upgrade to Home Basic, only to Premium
or Ultimate.
Office 2003 works just as well and as fast as it does in XP, so you
don't have to upgrade to Office 2007.
Integrated graphics and 512MB of system memory just aren't enough
Slow when installing programs, playing games, and encoding video. Media
Center works, but loading video is slow.
Bugs appeared in older games
Vista did not support ATI's CrossFire
Installer did not autodetect all components,
32-bit programs are installed in a Program Files (x86) folder, which can
cause problems for older installers that don't like -parentheses in
their folder names.
Video became garbled after 15 minutes of viewing live and recorded TV.
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| Subject: | Re: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They said most of that when
Windows 95 came out too. Just suck it up and buy
a new computer with Vista
pre-installed. Progress can't be
stopped. Wintel marches on. Drink the Koolaid.
Dave Morris
At 05:40 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
>So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be
>released this week? Saw a review of the final
>version on PC Magazine online, today...Here's
>some of the results of the testing and review
>that PC Magazine did on it. They tested the
>SAME versions that you'll get in the store, and
>on all types of new machines, laptops, low end,
>high end, minimum memory and speed, maximum, etc...
>
>I only included some more general cons, but
>you'll hear about all the claimed pluses from
>Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of
>course, they probably won't mention these...
>
>Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
>
>Harley
>
>
>----------
>Vista won't let you install over an OS that has
>a C:\Users multiple-users folder. I didn't
>realize this until after I'd started the
>installation and typed in my Vista product key.
>When it came time to choose between a clean
>install and an overlay, the overlay wasn't an
>option. So I moved my Users folder. But now the
>install wouldn't take: Vista thought I'd already
>completed installation. It took me days to straighten things out
>
>Vista's real competitor, though, is Windows XP.
>For many users, XP is still good enough. And for
>all the advances in Vista, it's hard to avoid
>seeing the things that aren't as good as they could have been.
>
>Nor is Vista bug-free. As I assessed final code,
>I ran into a variety of small but annoying
>glitches and found plenty of features that
>didn't work as seamlessly as I would have liked.
>I can't shake the feeling that Vista's release was rushed.
>
>Hefty hardware requirements. Minor bugs and
>rough edges in UI. Lack of a killer app to
>compel adoption. Many features also available for Windows XP users.
>
>Vista offers improvements over Windows XP, but
>most of them are conveniences rather than essentials.
>
>Incompatibility issues with latest graphics card drivers from ATI
>
>Some games were more sluggish than in Windows XP Pro.
>
>Had to uninstall Norton Internet Security
>
>Had to remove McAfee security applications
>
>You can't back up your entire system if running a FAT32 file system.
>
>Drive Encryption did not recognize the Trusted
>Platform Module; you'll need an NTFS file
>system, TPM, and a BIOS update to run BitLocker.
>
>Vista did not recognize the integrated Sierra Wireless EV-DO card.
>
>Screen orientation, arrow, and escape buttons on
>the tablet screen do not work.
>
>Had to convert the file system of the C: partition to NTFS before proceeding.
>
>Installing Vista is a lot slower on a budget PC, taking over 3 hours
>
>You might do better with Vista Home Basic. But
>if that's what you choose, you'll need to
>install it fresh and reinstall all your
>applications, because you can't upgrade to Home
>Basic, only to Premium or Ultimate.
>
>Office 2003 works just as well and as fast as it
>does in XP, so you don't have to upgrade to Office 2007.
>
>Integrated graphics and 512MB of system memory just aren't enough
>
>Slow when installing programs, playing games,
>and encoding video. Media Center works, but loading video is slow.
>
>Bugs appeared in older games
>
>Vista did not support ATI's CrossFire
>
>Installer did not autodetect all components,
>
>32-bit programs are installed in a Program Files
>(x86) folder, which can cause problems for older
>installers that don't like parentheses in their folder names.
>
>Video became garbled after 15 minutes of viewing live and recorded TV.
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>
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| Subject: | Re: 8AWG Wire to Fast-On Connection |
Bob,
The Fast-On connection is to a mosfet switch solid state relay sold by
perihelion design <http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerlinkjr.htm>
rated for 35 amps continuous. But your statement "30A is pushing a
Fast-On pretty hard" got me thinking, which generated more questions, so
now I need some guidance.
I am using the a Z-13/20 architecture that is modified for a battery in
the tail cone (RV-10) The solid state relay is for the endurance bus
feed. The circuit goes from the battery to a 30 amp ANL limiter to the
relay and then to the endurance bus, the run is 17 feet. The continuous
e-bus load is just under 10 amps, but the maximum possible load is 30
amps (no diversity at all, everything running at once, flaps, auto pilot
servos, com transmit, etc). The drivers for the high load are pitot
heat and landing light. [I know it could be debated whether or not these
deserve to be on the e-bus, but IMHO this design is to allow me to fly
safely in IMC and land]
So, if my calculations are correct for a 14 volt system:
a] 10 amps @ 17 feet 10AWG has a voltage drop of 0.17 volts
b] 10 amps @ 17 feet 8 AWG has a voltage drop of 0.11 volts
c] 30 amps @ 17 feet 10 AWG has a voltage drop of 0.51 volts
d] 30 amps @ 17 feet 8 AWG has a voltage drop of 0.32 volts
This is only the voltage drop to the e-bus fuse block and does not
account for the voltage drop to the final device.
So, I believe I am justified in using a 30 amp fuse, but am I being way
to conservative in using 8 AWG wire to account for a very unlikely full
max load?
Larry
RV-10 N205EN (reserved)
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:28 PM 1/14/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> In order to keep the voltage drop down on a long 14 volt 30 amp run I
>> want to use 8 AWG wire. The final device has a male Fast-On terminal.
>> The only terminals I can find for 8 AWG wire are ring terminals, how
>> do I transition to a Fast-On?
>
> Splice a 6" 10AWG stub on the end of the 8AWG wire
> so that you can crimp a standard yellow (10-12AWG)
> PIDG on the end.
>
> 30A is pushing a Fast-On pretty hard. What's your
> application?
>
> Bob . . .
>
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| Subject: | Re: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
You're right, Harley. Buy a Mac.
Best Regards,
Steve
____________________________________________________________________
On Jan 16, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Harley wrote:
> So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be released this week?
> Saw a review of the final version on PC Magazine online,
> today...Here's some of the results of the testing and review that
> PC Magazine did on it. They tested the SAME versions that you'll
> get in the store, and on all types of new machines, laptops, low
> end, high end, minimum memory and speed, maximum, etc...
>
> I only included some more general cons, but you'll hear about all
> the claimed pluses from Windows ads that you will be seeing
> shortly. Of course, they probably won't mention these...
>
> Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
>
> Harley
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