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1. 02:22 AM - Re: intercom & headset kits (Larry Mac Donald)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: Elegant solutions for storage of junque? (bob noffs)
3. 04:58 AM - Re: AUDIO ISOLATION AMP (Jan de Jong)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 08:17 AM - FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Giffen Marr)
6. 08:52 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Dave N6030X)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (BobsV35B@aol.com)
8. 09:18 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
9. 09:31 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
11. 09:47 AM - RS232 converter (wgill10@comcast.net)
12. 09:55 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 09:55 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (john@ballofshame.com)
14. 09:56 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 10:14 AM - Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held (John Burnaby)
16. 10:17 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Richard Girard)
17. 10:18 AM - Re: RS232 converter (Dave N6030X)
18. 10:30 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
19. 10:38 AM - Re: RS232 converter (wgill10@comcast.net)
20. 10:43 AM - Circuit needed (John Burnaby)
21. 10:55 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
22. 10:57 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
23. 10:59 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (B Tomm)
24. 11:10 AM - Re: Circuit needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
25. 11:13 AM - Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
26. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (john@ballofshame.com)
27. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (B Tomm)
28. 11:29 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (B Tomm)
29. 11:31 AM - Re: Circuit needed (B Tomm)
30. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Bill Denton)
31. 11:35 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (6440 Auto Parts)
32. 11:50 AM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Ernest Christley)
33. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (6440 Auto Parts)
34. 11:57 AM - Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held (additional insight) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
35. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE ... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
36. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Chuck Jensen)
37. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (6440 Auto Parts)
38. 12:25 PM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Dave N6030X)
39. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Bill Denton)
40. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held (additional insight) (Dave N6030X)
41. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE ... (6440 Auto Parts)
42. 01:18 PM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (6440 Auto Parts)
43. 01:40 PM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Dave N6030X)
44. 01:41 PM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Chuck Jensen)
45. 01:52 PM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (pilot4pay)
46. 01:53 PM - headset - bad mike test proc needed (eedetail)
47. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (6440 Auto Parts)
48. 02:48 PM - Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (6440 Auto Parts)
49. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Dave N6030X)
50. 03:03 PM - Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed (C Smith)
51. 03:18 PM - Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed (eedetail)
52. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Matt Prather)
53. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABL... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
54. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed (C Smith)
55. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS (Matt Prather)
56. 04:53 PM - Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed (LarryRobertHelming)
57. 04:53 PM - Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed (eedetail)
58. 07:12 PM - (bob noffs)
59. 10:12 PM - Re: Circuit needed (John Burnaby)
60. 11:43 PM - PS6000/UPS AT Audio Panel wiring (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
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| Subject: | Re: intercom & headset kits |
Well,
Now there's an interesting question. You don't need a
audio panel to use navigational facilities so ...
does an audio panel have to be T.S.O.ed ?
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
Do not archive
Do you know if his audio panel and the remote marker beacon receiver
>
> can be used in a certified aircraft? I assumed since he built his
> first one for his Cessna 170 that it was OK to have a non-TSO'ed
> audio panel, but I've been wondering because he doesn't mention
> anything either way on the web site.
>
> Dave Morris
>
> At 08:39 PM 1/31/2007, you wrote:
> <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
> >
> >I am building the RST Engineering audio panel/intercom now. The kit
> is
> >well organized and perhaps more important, the documentation is
> super.
> >
> >Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Elegant solutions for storage of junque? |
hi bob s.
the plywood could be waferboard, i would go 5/8''. the end braces are
2x4. the ''rungs'' i screwed in place for strength. the uprights need
only be 2x2 and take up so little room just put them as often as needed
to prevent sag. always start on the floor and keep each 2x2 above the
one below it. i make shelves 8 foot long. put the 2x2's in as often as
needed, depending on the load. anchoring one or both ladders is the key
to the shelfs stability.
maybe i can take a few pics in the next few days. your address?
bob noffs
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Elegant solutions for storage of
junque?
In a message dated 2/1/2007 1:37:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
icubob@newnorth.net writes:
start on the floor and slip the pieces of 2x4 between the
shelves going up and keeping each piece over the one below it. as
many as
needed to keep your shelves stiff. this is by far the most
brainlessly easy
way to make strong shelves. I have rows of them in the storage end
of my
basement. bob noffs
Good Evening Bob,
Any dimensions on the thickness of the plywood, quality used and
placement of the braces?
Any photos available?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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| Subject: | Re: AUDIO ISOLATION AMP |
Carlos,
Google "summing amplifier". A summing amplifier allows weighted addition
of signals with the signal sources not affected by the addition - they
each see a constant load resistance.
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held |
At 10:36 PM 2/1/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><retasker@optonline.net>
>
>Bob, Now you are confusing us! In one email you say that this method of
>switching from the internal radio to the handheld is not so good and you
>are going to take it off your web site and the next email you are saying
>that the one ICOM has their name on seems a viable option and offer to
>sell it to anyone who wants one. What gives??? This product does exactly
>what the one on your web site does!
>
>Confused...
>
>Dick Tasker
They have the same end function and even perhaps identical
implementation. The design I proposed depended on a miniature,
closed-circuit headset jack acquired from local parts sources.
The "closed circuit" switch in the jack is always in series
with the antenna lead from the panel mounted radio. It represents
a risk to operability of the panel mounted radio whether or not
one ever uses the jack to connect the hand held.
Because this is an ICOM product, I'm presuming/hoping/wishing
that they've acquired a source for a more robust connector
than what most of us can buy locally. About a dozen folks have
requested this product and I've only ordered 5! But before I
ship any of them, I'll take one apart and look it over. Photos
and a tear down report will be published on my website.
We could consider a DIY project perhaps based on a jack
from Switchcraft . . . if a "robust" version of that device
exists, probability is high that Switchcraft makes it.
Alternatively, I'm mulling over a design that makes use
of a miniature, sealed relay who's normally closed contacts
do not pose so high a risk to functionality of the panel
mounted radio as the design I proposed originally.
The article I published wasn't the best-we-know-how-
to-do and needed to be replaced or refined.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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AOPA TELLS REPORTERS WHAT TO WATCH FOR IN USER FEES
<http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070202pressConf.jpg> The Bush
administration won't have a chance to obscure the issue of aviation user
fees in the president's upcoming budget submission to Congress. That's
because AOPA took a preemptive strike, briefing key reporters in the
nation's capital about how to find the secrets in the budget when it is made
public on February 5. "The administration is manufacturing an FAA 'funding
crisis' in a smoke-and-mirrors attempt to divert attention away from the
real issue-the need to address the problems that constrain capacity,
efficiency, and new technology adoption," said AOPA President Phil Boyer.
"They are attempting an end-around of Congress to put the world's safest,
most efficient, and largest air traffic control system into the hands of
airline barons who've flown their own businesses into bankruptcy," Boyer
said at the National Press Club on Thursday. And taking Congress out of the
mix would be a very bad idea, according to Ken Mead, the former Department
of Transportation inspector general who joined Boyer at the podium. "You
need the checks and balances of the U.S. Congress," said Mead. See AOPA
<http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070201briefing.html> Online.
NRC LEAVES AVIATION REGULATION UP TO FAA
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission this week announced new security
requirements for nuclear power plants, but it did not overstep its
jurisdiction by trying to regulate aviation. In fact, it specifically said
the FAA and military were charged with addressing the possibility of
airborne attacks. "We continue to work with Congress, the FAA, Department of
Defense, and other government agencies to show that general aviation does
not pose a threat to nuclear power plants," said Andy Cebula, AOPA executive
vice president of government affairs. A 2002
<http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2002/02-2-159_report.pdf> report
commissioned by AOPA revealed that GA aircraft couldn't penetrate the
concrete containment area around nuclear power plants or cause the release
of radiation. In 2004, the Government Accountability Office released its own
report, pointing out that nuclear power plants were designed to withstand an
accident involving an airliner. See AOPA
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FAA PROPOSES TO CHANGE AGE-60 RULE
FAA Administrator Marion Blakey announced January 30 that the agency would
soon be writing rules to move the mandatory retirement age for airline
pilots from 60 to 65. The proposed rule change would parallel international
standards, requiring one crewmember to be younger than 60 with an
older-than-60 pilot in the cockpit. "While this rule doesn't directly affect
pilots flying general aviation aircraft, we've always followed the issue
closely because of our concern about any age discrimination against pilots,"
said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "We all recognize that older pilots-airline
or GA-can have skills that surpass younger pilots because of their flight
hours and experience. We hope that this will also be recognized by the
insurance community and others who place penalties on older GA pilots." And
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FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna 172's
instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to mount it. The
parts-panel dock and connective wiring-needed to mount your portable GPS
would either no longer be available or be too expensive to buy. The FAA's
proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to produce a replacement or
modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up
installed in a certified aircraft-that is unless they obtain production
approval from the agency. But that costs tens of thousands of dollars,
something many companies can't afford. While AOPA agrees production approval
is necessary for critical parts like connecting rods and cylinders, it isn't
needed for non-critical parts like a portable GPS panel dock or traffic
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BRS EYES BIGGER AIRPLANES FOR AIRFRAME PARACHUTES
Ballistic Recovery Systems (BRS) says it has conducted a series of
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feature, including very light jets. The tests were conducted in the
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LIBERTY GOES AFTER TIGER, SYMPHONY CUSTOMERS
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says it will honor up to $10,000 toward the purchase of an XL2, provided the
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according to a Liberty news release.
WHEN THE AIRLINE FLIGHT DECK CALLS, PRIVATE PILOT ANSWERS
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the flight deck of a Boeing 757 airliner during an actual in-flight
emergency. But that's exactly what happened to pilot Stephen W. Brown of
Albuquerque, New Mexico. He was traveling on a commercial flight from
Houston to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, on January 24 when the captain became
incapacitated and later died. In
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seminars on the following topics: VLJ 101, insurance, legal issues, taxes,
and financing. The event is presented by Jetpool, an aviation management
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MIKE GOULIAN WINS PRESTIGIOUS AIRSHOW AWARD
Airshow performer and aerobatic competitor Mike Goulian has won the
prestigious 2006 Art Scholl Showmanship Award. It is presented each year by
the International Council of Airshows to performers who go beyond high-G
maneuvers. Goulian is known for his passion for aviation and giving back to
the industry through flight training and other endeavors. The award is given
in honor of Art Scholl, the consummate airshow performer and motion picture
stunt pilot.
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AOPA WORKS TO ENSURE FAIRNESS IN TV SECURITY STORY
When AOPA's media relations department learned that KHOU-TV, the CBS
affiliate in Houston, Texas, was preparing a story on assumed gaps in
security at local general aviation airports, staff members contacted the 11
News Investigates team. The story was scheduled to air February 1. "We can't
control the outcome, but we can be sure the reporter has all the relevant
facts in hand," said AOPA Media Relations Director Chris Dancy. "In this
case, we made sure the reporter knew about AOPA's
<http://www.aopa.org/airportwatch/> Airport Watch and all the other GA
security enhancements that have been put in place since the September 11,
2001, terrorist attacks." See AOPA <http://www.aopa.org/airportwatch/>
Online.
JOY OF FLIGHT: LITTLE FIELD BRINGS FATHER, SON TOGETHER
R. Rollie Rankin didn't get to see his son very often, and when he did,
those visits tended to be awkward. But a happenstance stop at a tiny
mountaintop airfield changed that. Find out how an ordinary gentlemen with a
yellow taildragger gave the two what they needed to get their relationship
on the right track in "Little
<http://www.aopa.org/epilot/redir.cfm?adid=10539> field brings father, son
together," the latest installment of the Joy of Flight. Who knows, you could
be that ordinary pilot who sparks an extraordinary change in someone else's
life...just by doing what you love-flying. To submit a story about GA
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e-mail. Past articles are available
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Expert Advice
TAX TIME: CAN YOU GET A DEDUCTION FOR FLYING?
The W-2s have been mailed, and we are in the midst of tax season. While
you're looking for deductions, consider your aircraft. Have you used it for
business purposes? AOPA's "Pilot's
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serves as a starting point for aircraft owners looking for deductions and as
a guide to working with a tax advisor.
FIND OUT IF YOUR FLYING CLUB CAN BECOME TAX EXEMPT
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qualifications for tax exempt status. An exemption may be granted when a
club is "organized and operated exclusively for pleasure, recreation, and
other nonprofit purposes." Just having nonprofit status does not
automatically exempt your club from submitting a federal income tax return.
Check out the Application
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of Exemption section of the Internal Revenue Service Web site for
information on how to get started. AOPA recommends walking through this
process with your tax advisor.
AOPA Air Safety Foundation News
ARE YOU CONNECTED? LEARN ABOUT DATALINK
Datalink is the latest technology bringing digital weather and traffic
information to general aviation cockpits. Learn how this new technology
works-and how you can use it safely in the cockpit-with the AOPA Air Safety
Foundation's 30-minute online minicourse, Datalink
<http://www.asf.org/datalink> . Simply stated, datalink uses satellites and
ground stations to send wireless signals to a receiver on properly equipped
aircraft; the information from those signals can be displayed on a GPS
screen, multifunction display, or personal digital assistant. Datalink
weather information includes radar, satellite, text, severe weather
warnings, and more. Traffic and airspace information, like temporary flight
restrictions, also help increase pilots' situational awareness in the
cockpit.
GIVE BRAKING ACTION REPORTS A SQUEEZE
Ever tuned in the ATIS at the airport only to hear "...braking action fair"
and wondered exactly what it meant? The AOPA Air Safety Foundation's Safety
Brief <http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2007/SB03.pdf> Braking Action
Reports highlights one of the hazards of winter flying-taxiways and runways
covered in snow, ice, and slush. In this Safety Brief, learn about braking
action and listen to actual recorded examples of ATIS braking action
reports.
COLD HARD FACTS ON WING CONTAMINATION
If you're learning to fly in colder parts of the country, you've probably
learned that an essential part of preflight is to clean the wings of snow,
frost, or ice. During the last 10 years, there have been more than 30
accidents that occurred on takeoff because the airplane's wings were
contaminated. As a result of these accidents, the NTSB mailed all pilots an
alert letter urging them to look at and feel the aircraft's wings during
preflight to ensure no ice is present. The AOPA Air Safety Foundation's
<http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2007/SB02.pdf> Cold Facts: Wing
Contamination Safety Brief offers suggestions for simple preflight steps
that can easily prevent these kinds of accidents.
Quiz Me
Here's a question asked by an AOPA member who contacted our aviation
services staff through the AOPA Pilot Information Center. Test your
knowledge.
Question: I recently had to deviate from an ATC clearance to handle an
in-flight emergency involving an electrical short circuit. Must I notify the
FAA?
Answer: The only time you are required
<http://www.aopa.org/members/files/fars/far-91.html#14:2.0.1.3.10.2.4.12> to
notify the FAA of an in-flight deviation is when it specifically requests
it. Additionally, FAR 91.3 states the following: "In an in-flight emergency
requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule
of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency. The pilot in
command may still be investigated by the FAA for any infraction contrary to
the regulations, but the emergency will be a mitigating circumstance. For
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GPS
The government is always so helpful when it comes
to halting advances in safety dead in their
tracks. What ever happened to government "of, by, and for the people"?
Dave Morris
At 10:14 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
>
>
>----------
>
>----------
>FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
>Think your portable GPS would work great mounted
>to your old Cessna 172's instrument panel? If
>the FAA has its way, you won't be able to mount
>it. The partspanel dock and connective
>wiringneeded to mount your portable GPS would
>either no longer be available or be too
>expensive to buy. The FAA's proposal would make
>it illegal for manufacturers to produce a
>replacement or modification part if they know
>(or should know) the part would end up installed
>in a certified aircraftthat is unless they
>obtain production approval from the agency. But
>that costs tens of thousands of dollars,
>something many companies can't afford. While
>AOPA agrees production approval is necessary for
>critical parts like connecting rods and
>cylinders, it isn't needed for non-critical
>parts like a portable GPS panel dock or traffic
>detector that enhance pilot safety. See
><http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070201parts.html>AOPA Online.
>
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GPS
In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:04:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,
N6030X@DaveMorris.com writes:
The government is always so helpful when it comes
to halting advances in safety dead in their
tracks. What ever happened to government "of, by, and for the people"?
Dave Morris
Good Morning Dave,
I hope the list won't mind if I submit something I sent to the Bonanza group.
Good Morning All,
This has a parallel in the way the FAA handled LORAN.
When small LORAN C sets for boats first became readily available, it didn't
take long for many aircraft owners to mount such units in their airplanes.
At first, the FAA fought it strongly.
Finally, they were overwhelmed by the deluge and decided that if the
pilots
were going to insist on mounting those LORANs, their best chance of getting
involved was to embrace the LORAN use, but to require that it be an FAA
approved installation. That doubled or tripled the cost of the units and it
slowed
the rate of improvements drastically, but we did finally get the anointed
sets legally into our flying machines.
If we allow the FAA to get in on this act, you can say goodbye to having
the
latest and best technology available for your enroute weather evaluations.
And you may make a wild guess as to the relative increase in cost that will
apply.
The worst thing that can happen to any technology is to have standards
applied to it's dissemination.
I have said it before, but I think it bears repeating.
Standardization is the mortal enemy of innovation.
Unfortunately, we in aviation regularly insist on standardization in the
hope it will lead to greater safety and ease of use.
We are our own worst enemy!
The FAA is merely doing what we want done.
Shame on us for asking that they do so and shame on us for letting it
happen.
For those of you who are angry about Phil's use of a jet, swallow your
pride, rejoin AOPA and insist that they fight to keep the FAA from attacking
the
installation of aids that we want in the manner we want them to be
available.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 2/2/2007 9:34:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
beechparts@sbcglobal.net writes:
FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna 172's
instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to mount it.
The
parts-panel dock and connective wiring-needed to mount your portable GPS
would
either no longer be available or be too expensive to buy. The FAA's
proposal
would make it illegal for manufacturers to produce a replacement or
modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up
installed in a
certified aircraft-that is unless they obtain production approval from the
agency. But that costs tens of thousands of dollars, something many
companies
can't afford. While AOPA agrees production approval is necessary for
critical
parts like connecting rods and cylinders, it isn't needed for non-critical
parts like a portable GPS panel dock or traffic detector that enhance pilot
safety. See AOPA Online.
Do Not Archive
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GPS
In that case please designate us as "Reble Underground Manufacturers" and
we'll fabricate the parts, we will designate them "For Lawn Tractor Use Only"
...Chrissi
CG Products
_CGParts@aol.com_ (mailto:CGParts@aol.com)
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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GPS
At an airshow we talked to several military pilots, due to the slow grind at
getting quality upgrades it had become common for them to home brew their
own. The industry innovates and outpaces the approval and implimentation process
so much that it should be standard to just have blank panel area available
with a robust power supply (read that as bloody fool proof) and let them have
at it. As long as it does not interfere with anything and cannot bring the
system power down whats the difference between an MP3 player and a GPS?.. its
non of anybody else's business.
...Chrissi
CG Products
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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GPS
Opps, spell that "Rebel" , not enough caffeen yet
CG Products
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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I have a Bendix/King GPS that has an RS232 General Format communication designed
to interface with a Shadin Fuel Computer. However, I want the GPS to communicate
with an AF-2500 engine monitor that requires NMEA 0183 format. Does anyone
know of a converter for this purpose? Thanks.
Bill
RV-7 FWF
Lees Summit, MO
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GPS
From:
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
Gotta justify the new upcoming user fees somehow!
I can hardly wait!...:(
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
N6030X
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
--> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
The government is always so helpful when it comes to halting advances in
safety dead in their tracks. What ever happened to government "of, by,
and for the people"?
Dave Morris
At 10:14 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
>
>
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PORTABLE GPS
#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
Assinine.
#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
anything else.
my $.02
-John
www.ballofshame.com
> Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
>
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> FAA PROPOSES TO CHANGE AGE-60 RULE
> FAA Administrator Marion Blakey announced January 30 that the agency would
> soon be writing rules to move the mandatory retirement age for airline
> pilots from 60 to 65. The proposed rule change would parallel
> international
> standards, requiring one crewmember to be younger than 60 with an
> older-than-60 pilot in the cockpit. "While this rule doesn't directly
> affect
> pilots flying general aviation aircraft, we've always followed the issue
> closely because of our concern about any age discrimination against
> pilots,"
> said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "We all recognize that older
> pilots-airline
> or GA-can have skills that surpass younger pilots because of their flight
> hours and experience. We hope that this will also be recognized by the
> insurance community and others who place penalties on older GA pilots."
> And
> to help establish-once and for all-that age is not a pathology, the AOPA
> Air
> Safety Foundation is about to start a yearlong study-with the help of a
> major recognized research institution-to determine exactly how age affects
> airmanship and safety. See AOPA
> <http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070130age60.html> Online.
>
> FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
> Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna 172's
> instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to mount it.
> The
> parts-panel dock and connective wiring-needed to mount your portable GPS
> would either no longer be available or be too expensive to buy. The FAA's
> proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to produce a replacement
> or
> modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up
> installed in a certified aircraft-that is unless they obtain production
> approval from the agency. But that costs tens of thousands of dollars,
> something many companies can't afford. While AOPA agrees production
> approval
> is necessary for critical parts like connecting rods and cylinders, it
> isn't
> needed for non-critical parts like a portable GPS panel dock or traffic
> detector that enhance pilot safety. See AOPA
> <http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070201parts.html> Online.
>
> BRS EYES BIGGER AIRPLANES FOR AIRFRAME PARACHUTES
> Ballistic Recovery Systems (BRS) says it has conducted a series of
> successful development tests for airframe parachutes designed to handle
> heavier loads and higher speeds. BRS has long talked about expanding its
> product line to increase the number of aircraft that can utilize the
> safety
> feature, including very light jets. The tests were conducted in the
> Southwest using a former military aircraft to perform drop tests. The
> company's new sewing facility in Tijuana, Mexico, produced the test
> canopies. Final assembly and engineering takes place in St. Paul,
> Minnesota.
> BRS has delivered more than 25,000 parachutes since beginning operations
> in
> 1981. More than 3,000 of the company's systems are flying on certified
> aircraft.
>
> LIBERTY GOES AFTER TIGER, SYMPHONY CUSTOMERS
> <http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070202liberty.jpg> With the
> demise
> of Tiger and Symphony aircraft companies, Liberty
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> honoring customer deposits from the two aforementioned companies. Liberty
> says it will honor up to $10,000 toward the purchase of an XL2, provided
> the
> customer can provide proof of the previous deposit. "This opportunity is
> being offered for a limited time and is dependent on market response,"
> according to a Liberty news release.
>
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> It's a safe bet that most private pilots will never be asked to help out
> on
> the flight deck of a Boeing 757 airliner during an actual in-flight
> emergency. But that's exactly what happened to pilot Stephen W. Brown of
> Albuquerque, New Mexico. He was traveling on a commercial flight from
> Houston to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, on January 24 when the captain became
> incapacitated and later died. In
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> other
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> If you'd like to experience the entire very light jet (VLJ) segment of the
> industry in one day, check out the Future
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> Show on March 2 in Charlotte, North Carolina. Cessna, Eclipse, Spectrum,
> Embraer, Adam, Honda, and Diamond will all be exhibiting. Also, there will
> seminars on the following topics: VLJ 101, insurance, legal issues, taxes,
> and financing. The event is presented by Jetpool, an aviation management
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> MIKE GOULIAN WINS PRESTIGIOUS AIRSHOW AWARD
> Airshow performer and aerobatic competitor Mike Goulian has won the
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> maneuvers. Goulian is known for his passion for aviation and giving back
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> JOY OF FLIGHT: LITTLE FIELD BRINGS FATHER, SON TOGETHER
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> TAX TIME: CAN YOU GET A DEDUCTION FOR FLYING?
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> screen, multifunction display, or personal digital assistant. Datalink
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> If you're learning to fly in colder parts of the country, you've probably
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> accidents that occurred on takeoff because the airplane's wings were
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> preflight to ensure no ice is present. The AOPA Air Safety Foundation's
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> it. Additionally, FAR 91.3 states the following: "In an in-flight
> emergency
> requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule
> of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency. The pilot in
> command may still be investigated by the FAA for any infraction contrary
> to
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> begin on Friday over the OK and TX panhandles. During the afternoon and
> into
> the evening, this area is expected to expand to the east-south and ride
> along the Red River Valley and eastward into AR and northern LA. By Friday
> evening, high pressure will wedge back over the area, drawing much of the
> precipitation to a close. Much of the region should be VFR for the start
> of
> Saturday, aside from a few light MVFR snow showers dropping south out of
> NE
> and into KS and MO. Throughout the evening and into the start of Sunday,
> periods of MVFR snows will be found draping west out of the Tennessee
> Valley
> and over the southern tier of MO and into northern AR. A few lingering
> snow
> showers are expected to remain over KS and MO into the later hours of
> Sunday, but much of the accumulations should remain in the trace to inch
> category.
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> UPCOMING FLYING DESTINATIONS:
> Novi, MI. The Great Lakes Aviation Conference takes place February 2 and 3
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> the
> most comprehensive aviation event of its kind. With more than 100 breakout
> sessions and exhibits, the GLIAC has something for everyone. Contact Todd
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> and 11. Clinics are also scheduled in Melbourne, FL, Baton Rouge, LA, and
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> Tampa,
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> Oklahoma City, and Nashville, TN, February 7; and Lake Worth, FL, Wichita,
> KS, and Germantown, TN, February 8. The topic is "Say It Right! Radio
> Communications in Today's Airspace." For details and a complete schedule,
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| Subject: | Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE |
GPS
At 10:51 AM 2/2/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>
>The government is always so helpful when it comes to halting advances in
>safety dead in their tracks. What ever happened to government "of, by,
>and for the people"?
This is pretty consistent with past policies. You
don't need to make log entries for things that
are not physically attached . . . i.e., portable
personal accessories and piloting aids.
This is why my dual gps installation wedges between
the of the glare shield and windshield held in place
with small dollops of windshield sealant. No connections
to the aircraft's wiring. All goes back into the flight
bag when I park the airplane and leaves no tracks for
having been there.
This isn't going to get better folks. Look at it this
way:
Everyone has notions that what they do for a living
will produce an ever increasing flow of revenue and
greater stature amongst their peers. Suppose your
job right out of college was: "Here's the books
son. Read. Memorize. Go forth and make aviation
safer."
Given that the only tools of your craft are
crafting of rules, publishing of rules, policing
compliance with the rules and punishment of transgressors.
What are your options for working up the ladder in
the career of your choice?
Microsoft, Sony, Chrysler, and McDonalds MUST
drive up returns by judicious investments in activities
designed to increase CUSTOMER perceptions of value.
Their fortunes are driven by increasing gross sales
by offering more attractive product or increasing
numbers of customers for the current products.
The FAA has no customers. I.e, no consumer/supplier
relationship and therefore no accountability
or perception of value-received for their efforts.
Further, the only way a bureaucrat can move up in
the world is to either (1) be party to expansion of
the activity's operating horizons (more rules) or
(2) take over command of greater numbers of bureaucrats.
There are no other metrics by which an organization
chartered with "enhancement of public safety" can
grow professionally . . . public risks from the
presence of aviation are so small that ANY endeavor
to reduce them is exceedingly expensive, restrictive
of personal liberties and still more difficult to
demonstrate that any one effort has produced a useful
outcome.
When challenged on this perception by those who
like to believe in the value of this activity
I will ask, "How many lives did you save last year? Or
if your function ceased to be performed, how many
folks would die as a result next year? If you ceased
to do your job, how many individuals would go elsewhere
to find an alternate source for your services?" I've
yet to receive a cogent answer . . .
I've had a working relationship with this organization
for over 30 years. If I plot observed and demonstrated
present trends out to the future, our industry in its
present form is doomed.
20 years? 30 years? Impossible to predict with accuracy
but the TREND is relentlessly trudging on in the wrong
direction. Without a fundamental change in direction,
the outcome is as inevitable as the sun coming up
tomorrow morning.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held |
Echoing Dick Tasker's comments.
Casting about on the web, came across remarks that the IC-ANT-SB device
would significantly degrade performance of COM-1 when the Handheld was
not in use, and that the 3.5 mm jack was "crude".
Listers?
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| Subject: | Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE |
GPS
Given that there are folks out there who shouldn't be trusted to plug a
toaster into a wall socket, why in God's name do you want them futzing about
with the electrical system of a TC aircraft.
Like it or not there's a trail of dead bodies going back to 1909 of people
who just knew better and no one could tell them different. Take a look at
what happened in ultralights. I still remember Dennis telling all within
earshot that he didn't think there was a way to break his aircraft, then
proceeded to go up and prove how wrong he was. His reward for his innovation
was a 1500 foot vertical ride, followed a few days later by a much slower 6
foot descent.
The FAA owns TC aircraft, and they're within their rights to make this
ruling.
What happens to the guy or gal who buys that aircraft somewhere down the
road? Who will step up and look out for them, the fine innovative
manufacturer who sold the product in the first place? Don't be so dense.
The FAA does a pretty good job of managing an extremely complex activity.
All this argument does is prove the adage that, "nothing is impossible to
the man who doesn't have to."
Rick
On 2/2/07, CozyGirrrl@aol.com <CozyGirrrl@aol.com> wrote:
>
> At an airshow we talked to several military pilots, due to the slow grind
> at getting quality upgrades it had become common for them to home brew their
> own. The industry innovates and outpaces the approval and implimentation
> process so much that it should be standard to just have blank panel area
> available with a robust power supply (read that as bloody fool proof) and
> let them have at it. As long as it does not interfere with anything and
> cannot bring the system power down whats the difference between an MP3
> player and a GPS?.. its non of anybody else's business.
> ...Chrissi
>
> CG Products
> www.CozyGirrrl.com
> Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
> Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
>
> *
>
>
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>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: RS232 converter |
RS-232 is an electrical specification, whereas NMEA 0183 is the
specification for the data that is transmitted over RS-232. So what
you're looking for is a "Bendix/King format to NMEA0183 format
converter". That would be a small computer, not an interface box. I
don't think one exists.
But doesn't your Bendix/King GPS have an option to transmit
NMEA0183? That spec has been around for a very long time. Which GPS is it?
Dave Morris
At 11:44 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>I have a Bendix/King GPS that has an RS232 "General Format"
>communication designed to interface with a Shadin Fuel Computer.
>However, I want the GPS to communicate with an AF-2500 engine
>monitor that requires NMEA 0183 format. Does anyone know of a
>converter for this purpose? Thanks.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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>
>
>Bill
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE |
GPS
At 09:52 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
>absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
>are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
>Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
>Assinine.
You're correct. Further, they have no jurisdiction over what
you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
>if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
>anything else.
Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the modern
light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
bureaucrats to hire".
Don't forget, a small fraction of registered voters in this
country even vote. When they do vote, it's more likely
to be an expressing of appreciation for promises over which the
candidate has no control. A few hundred folks in Washington
have absolute control over our future and their ears are
NOT attuned to voices teaching the principles of simple-ideas,
liberty and honorable behavior in a democratic republic.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: RS232 converter |
The KLN 89B and KLN 94 do not have an option to change the RS232 format. Honeywell
did tell me that a company makes a converter for said purpose, but they could
not recall the vendor's name.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Dave N6030X <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
> RS-232 is an electrical specification, whereas NMEA 0183 is the
> specification for the data that is transmitted over RS-232. So what
> you're looking for is a "Bendix/King format to NMEA0183 format
> converter". That would be a small computer, not an interface box. I
> don't think one exists.
>
> But doesn't your Bendix/King GPS have an option to transmit
> NMEA0183? That spec has been around for a very long time. Which GPS is it?
>
> Dave Morris
>
> At 11:44 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>
> >I have a Bendix/King GPS that has an RS232 "General Format"
> >communication designed to interface with a Shadin Fuel Computer.
> >However, I want the GPS to communicate with an AF-2500 engine
> >monitor that requires NMEA 0183 format. Does anyone know of a
> >converter for this purpose? Thanks.> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
/>
> >
> >
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >RV-7 FWF
> >
> >> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Lee's Summit, MO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.matronics.com/
> Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> >
>
>
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<DIV>The KLN 89B and KLN 94 do not have an option to change the RS232 format. Honeywell
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specification, whereas NMEA 0183 is the <BR>> specification for the
data that is transmitted over RS-232. So what <BR>> you're looking for is
a "Bendix/King format to NMEA0183 format <BR>> converter". That would be a
small computer, not an interface box. I <BR>> don't think one exists. <BR>>
<BR>> But doesn't your Bendix/King GPS have an option to transmit <BR>>
NMEA0183? That spec has been around for a very long time. Which GPS is it?
<BR>> <BR>> Dave Morris <BR>> <BR>> At 11:44 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> >I have a Bendix/King GPS that has an RS232 "General
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I have auxillary fuel tanks that are pumped to a header tank for use. I
plan to use an OFF-ON-(ON) switch coupled with a pressure switch (NC,
and already in my parts bin) to activate a blinking LED when there's no
pressure and to activate the pump. When the pump pressurizes the line
and opens the p-switch, the LED goes to steady on.
Does one use a capacitor to get the LED to blink? and is there a "null"
between the ON-(ON) positions?
Obviously I need help on the circuit design.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
John
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GPS
Rick,
I for one am not going to just roll over and give my freedoms up just
because there is a line of people que'd up for Darwin awards. By legislating to
protect fools from themselves we all suffer.
In your example someone failed to point out that statistically ultralights
are not tolerant to carelessness, daredevils or the incompetant. Nobody is
"entitled" to fly any kind of craft, it takes dedication, training and
retraining. It is certainly not for everybody. No amount of regulation is going
to
make it safe from the intentions of some people, meanwhile we give up more and
more freedom in the process.
Kids ride bicycles, they fall off and they get hurt. Some mommy sues the
bicycle company and now its law kids wear helmets, next it will be airbags and
padded suits, seat belts. I strongly prefer kids just learn what their
limitations are, what a bandaid is for and to think twice before they do something
stupid again.
It comes down to personal responsibility and good judgement.
Regards, Chrissi
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GPS
At 12:17 PM 2/2/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>Given that there are folks out there who shouldn't be trusted to plug a
>toaster into a wall socket, why in God's name do you want them futzing
>about with the electrical system of a TC aircraft.
Why is a TC aircraft sacrosanct? There are folks with knowledge,
skills and resources to accomplish non-hazardous and useful things
to what ever machines they own . . . and there are folks who are
not. An all-terrain vehicle can be (and probably is) far more
dangerous than an airplane . . . but is it because aircraft are
tucked under the benevolent wing of the FAA? The similarity of
accident rates between TC and OBAM aircraft would argue against
this premise.
>Like it or not there's a trail of dead bodies going back to 1909 of people
>who just knew better and no one could tell them different. Take a look at
>what happened in ultralights. I still remember Dennis telling all within
>earshot that he didn't think there was a way to break his aircraft, then
>proceeded to go up and prove how wrong he was. His reward for his
>innovation was a 1500 foot vertical ride, followed a few days later by a
>much slower 6 foot descent.
So he did a stupid thing with his ultralight, would he have
been any more responsible in a TC or OBAM aircraft . . . or
snowmobile?
>The FAA owns TC aircraft, and they're within their rights to make this ruling.
I'll suggest not "rights" but "legislative charter". There
is a clear and distinct difference between rights and charters.
>What happens to the guy or gal who buys that aircraft somewhere down the
>road? Who will step up and look out for them, the fine innovative
>manufacturer who sold the product in the first place? Don't be so dense.
>The FAA does a pretty good job of managing an extremely complex activity.
>All this argument does is prove the adage that, "nothing is impossible to
>the man who doesn't have to."
The FAA manages nothing. They're policemen. They have
a set of rulebooks under their arms and can only react
to perceptions of having violated a rule. And like
FARS, TQM, ISO9000, and gigatons of policies, rules and
procedures, none of these institutions offset
the effects of dishonorable/irresponsible behavior
of individuals . . . ordinary accident.
Nonetheless, under legislative charter and financing from
the public purse, the FAA (and others) soldier on with
zero responsibility or even regard for the unintended
consequences of their charter. Those unintended consequences
include but are not limited to prohibiting the responsible,
capable citizen from making perfectly safe and useful
modifications to their airplane.
Bob . . .
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GPS
Another reason to stay away from "certified" aircraft.
Bevan
RV7A
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
N6030X
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
--> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
The government is always so helpful when it comes to halting advances in
safety dead in their tracks. What ever happened to government "of, by, and
for the people"?
Dave Morris
At 10:14 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
>
>
>----------
>
>----------
>FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS Think your
>portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna 172's
>instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to mount
>it. The parts-panel dock and connective wiring-needed to mount your
>portable GPS would either no longer be available or be too expensive to
>buy. The FAA's proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to
>produce a replacement or modification part if they know (or should
>know) the part would end up installed in a certified aircraft-that is
>unless they obtain production approval from the agency. But that costs
>tens of thousands of dollars, something many companies can't afford.
>While AOPA agrees production approval is necessary for critical parts
>like connecting rods and cylinders, it isn't needed for non-critical
>parts like a portable GPS panel dock or traffic detector that enhance
>pilot safety. See
><http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070201parts.html>AOPA Online.
>
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At 10:17 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>I have auxillary fuel tanks that are pumped to a header tank for use. I
>plan to use an OFF-ON-(ON) switch coupled with a pressure switch (NC, and
>already in my parts bin) to activate a blinking LED when there's no
>pressure and to activate the pump. When the pump pressurizes the line and
>opens the p-switch, the LED goes to steady on.
>
>Does one use a capacitor to get the LED to blink?
You can buy leds that flash . . . but it
looks like you need the same led to light
steady too. This will take some electronics.
How does the pump develop and magnitude
of pressure? Fuel transfer pumps generally
operate into an open line to another tank
with a very low order of pressure.
You say you have a pressure switch. What
pressure level causes it to change states?
> and is there a "null" between the ON-(ON) positions?
No . . . not if it's a really good good switch . . .
>
>Obviously I need help on the circuit design.
Need more 'input' . . .
Bob . . .
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( what ever you do must be exercised )
( EVERY day . . . )
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At 10:02 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>Echoing Dick Tasker's comments.
>
>Casting about on the web, came across remarks that the IC-ANT-SB device
>would significantly degrade performance of COM-1 when the Handheld was not
>in use, and that the 3.5 mm jack was "crude".
>
>Listers?
Good feedback sir. We'll see what they look like when
I get them in hand. I may very well need to return them.
Can you cite the location where this comment was found?
Bob . . .
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( what ever you do must be exercised )
( EVERY day . . . )
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FOR PORTABLE GPS
You're spot on, as usual, Bob. What gets me is that there are already
regulations that cover installation of unapproved components (as you
pointed out)...something to the effect of it can't be "permanently wired"
into the aircraft, or something like that. The move to make illegal the
manufacture of devices that could potentially be used to install something
in an aircraft is bizarre.
re: user fees
What's the old saying about the government taxing air if it could figure
out a way to do it?
-John
www.ballofshame.com
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:52 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>
>>#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
>>absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
>>are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
>>Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
>>Assinine.
>
> You're correct. Further, they have no jurisdiction over what
> you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
> approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
> under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
> down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
>
>
>>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
>>if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
>>anything else.
>
> Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the modern
> light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
> majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
> within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
> governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
> all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
> guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
> levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
> bureaucrats to hire".
>
> Don't forget, a small fraction of registered voters in this
> country even vote. When they do vote, it's more likely
> to be an expressing of appreciation for promises over which the
> candidate has no control. A few hundred folks in Washington
> have absolute control over our future and their ears are
> NOT attuned to voices teaching the principles of simple-ideas,
> liberty and honorable behavior in a democratic republic.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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GPS
I agree, but what to do? Do we as a group embark on mass disobedience with
solidarity? Fly our aircraft by the thousands in massive formations over
the state Capitol? Or do we continue what we've been doing by just building
and flying and gathering at Oshkosh, Sun-n-fun, and so many other shows as a
public showing of the size of our numbers. I think so. But surely as we
enjoy ourselves, we must be aware of the ground-bound bureaucrats and those
they wish to influence below us as they look up with some degree of
jealousy. Get out there, build, fly, vote and "talk-up" aviation with all
who will listen. Having fun and having the sense of freedom that flying
brings is very contagious. Spread it and support those who are spreading it.
Bevan
RV7A
Egg H6 on order
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
--> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 10:51 AM 2/2/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>--> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
>The government is always so helpful when it comes to halting advances
>in safety dead in their tracks. What ever happened to government "of,
>by, and for the people"?
This is pretty consistent with past policies. You
don't need to make log entries for things that
are not physically attached . . . i.e., portable
personal accessories and piloting aids.
This is why my dual gps installation wedges between
the of the glare shield and windshield held in place
with small dollops of windshield sealant. No connections
to the aircraft's wiring. All goes back into the flight
bag when I park the airplane and leaves no tracks for
having been there.
This isn't going to get better folks. Look at it this
way:
Everyone has notions that what they do for a living
will produce an ever increasing flow of revenue and
greater stature amongst their peers. Suppose your
job right out of college was: "Here's the books
son. Read. Memorize. Go forth and make aviation
safer."
Given that the only tools of your craft are
crafting of rules, publishing of rules, policing
compliance with the rules and punishment of transgressors.
What are your options for working up the ladder in
the career of your choice?
Microsoft, Sony, Chrysler, and McDonalds MUST
drive up returns by judicious investments in activities
designed to increase CUSTOMER perceptions of value.
Their fortunes are driven by increasing gross sales
by offering more attractive product or increasing
numbers of customers for the current products.
The FAA has no customers. I.e, no consumer/supplier
relationship and therefore no accountability
or perception of value-received for their efforts.
Further, the only way a bureaucrat can move up in
the world is to either (1) be party to expansion of
the activity's operating horizons (more rules) or
(2) take over command of greater numbers of bureaucrats.
There are no other metrics by which an organization
chartered with "enhancement of public safety" can
grow professionally . . . public risks from the
presence of aviation are so small that ANY endeavor
to reduce them is exceedingly expensive, restrictive
of personal liberties and still more difficult to
demonstrate that any one effort has produced a useful
outcome.
When challenged on this perception by those who
like to believe in the value of this activity
I will ask, "How many lives did you save last year? Or
if your function ceased to be performed, how many
folks would die as a result next year? If you ceased
to do your job, how many individuals would go elsewhere
to find an alternate source for your services?" I've
yet to receive a cogent answer . . .
I've had a working relationship with this organization
for over 30 years. If I plot observed and demonstrated
present trends out to the future, our industry in its
present form is doomed.
20 years? 30 years? Impossible to predict with accuracy
but the TREND is relentlessly trudging on in the wrong
direction. Without a fundamental change in direction,
the outcome is as inevitable as the sun coming up
tomorrow morning.
Bob . . .
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GPS
Amen!!
Bicycles and personal aircraft are optional.
Bevan
RV7A
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CozyGirrrl@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
Rick,
I for one am not going to just roll over and give my freedoms up just
because there is a line of people que'd up for Darwin awards. By legislating
to protect fools from themselves we all suffer.
In your example someone failed to point out that statistically ultralights
are not tolerant to carelessness, daredevils or the incompetant. Nobody is
"entitled" to fly any kind of craft, it takes dedication, training and
retraining. It is certainly not for everybody. No amount of regulation is
going to make it safe from the intentions of some people, meanwhile we give
up more and more freedom in the process.
Kids ride bicycles, they fall off and they get hurt. Some mommy sues the
bicycle company and now its law kids wear helmets, next it will be airbags
and padded suits, seat belts. I strongly prefer kids just learn what their
limitations are, what a bandaid is for and to think twice before they do
something stupid again.
It comes down to personal responsibility and good judgement.
Regards, Chrissi
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There are 12V LED's that come ready made to blink. Check digikey.
Bevan
RV7A
Egg H6 on order
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Burnaby
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Circuit needed
I have auxillary fuel tanks that are pumped to a header tank for use. I
plan to use an OFF-ON-(ON) switch coupled with a pressure switch (NC, and
already in my parts bin) to activate a blinking LED when there's no pressure
and to activate the pump. When the pump pressurizes the line and opens the
p-switch, the LED goes to steady on.
Does one use a capacitor to get the LED to blink? and is there a "null"
between the ON-(ON) positions?
Obviously I need help on the circuit design.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
John
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GPS
Course, there is another issue involved...
To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of "suggestions"
about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy" flight
for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
hand-held GPS unit.
So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule benders"
are screwing things up for everybody else?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 09:52 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
>absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
>are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
>Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
>Assinine.
You're correct. Further, they have no jurisdiction over what
you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
>if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
>anything else.
Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the modern
light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
bureaucrats to hire".
Don't forget, a small fraction of registered voters in this
country even vote. When they do vote, it's more likely
to be an expressing of appreciation for promises over which the
candidate has no control. A few hundred folks in Washington
have absolute control over our future and their ears are
NOT attuned to voices teaching the principles of simple-ideas,
liberty and honorable behavior in a democratic republic.
Bob . . .
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PORTABLE GPS
Absolutely, I've been working on the blender thing for those smoothies
in the hot summertime. Anybody know where to get a 12v model I can build in
?
But seriously I agree with you and I am looking forward to getting my
plane built just for those reason's. But those stuck in a spam can will not
be so lucky. Personally I don't think the FAA will ever be able to mandate
an order that will make all of the portable gps's to be tso'ed as there are
too many of them out there already, can you picture 1/2 to 3/4 of all pilots
out there jumpin up and down and screaming at the same time. I bet it'll
knock a brick or two loose in congress building. Besides I also think the
issue is having a permanent docking station for the device installed. If I'm
understanding it correctly. If it is yoke mounted or similar then probably
not a problem. If I'm wrong I am sure AOPA members will scream loud enough
to negate the proposed regulation.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: <john@ballofshame.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
>
> #1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
> absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
> are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
> Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
> Assinine.
>
> #2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
> if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
> anything else.
>
> my $.02
>
> -John
> www.ballofshame.com
>
>> Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
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GPS
Dave N6030X wrote:
> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
> The government is always so helpful when it comes to halting advances
> in safety dead in their tracks. What ever happened to government "of,
> by, and for the people"?
>
Oh, it's still there. You just have to define "the people" correctly.
I wonder how upset the purveyors of $5000 panel mounted GPSs are over
people getting the same functionality from a sub $500 unit.
Note: I'm absolutely positive that the $5000 unit HAS more
functionality, but that doesn't mean that the average GA pilot would get
any FUNCTIONALITY from it. Features that I'd never use aren't useful.
> Dave Morris
>
> At 10:14 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
>>
>>
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GPS
Yep from what I gather there is a certain individual that has made
his own auto pilot for his spam can which is easily removable with no trace.
I'm sure that is the first thing he removes before exiting the airplane if
any ramp check is suspected. But while daylight is under his wings he is
free.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > You're correct. Further, they have no
jurisdiction over what
> you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
> approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
> under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
> down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
>
>
>>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
>>if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
>>anything else.
>
> Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the modern
> light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
> majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
> within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
> governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
> all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
> guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
> levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
> bureaucrats to hire".
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| Subject: | Re: Sharing ship's COMM antenna with the hand-held |
(additional insight)
I've been getting some direct e-mails that suggest a need
for further explanation.
Take a peek at this photo . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/3p5_mm_Jack.jpg
I've pointed to the little hunk of exposed brass that is supposed
to maintain connection between the antenna and the panel mounted
comm when the hand held is unplugged.
This contact is exposed to the environment and not plated
for longevity. Further, the wire connection terminals are
relatively flimsy . . . if you recall - the Shop Notes
I published recommended splicing short, flexible pigtails
to the stub ends of coax center conductors so as to isolate
the switch terminals from potential forcing by the stiffer
coax.
Alternatives? Maybe. See . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/3p5_mm_Jack_2.jpg
These are ECB mounted, closed circuit jacks. No stresses
will be input to the switch structure due to coax . . .
See also . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/3p5_mm_jack_schematic.pdf
Specs for these switches speak to silver plating of some parts.
I need to explore this further. What I'm considering is a small
ECB assembly that mounts one of these jacks and two right angle
BNC jacks to take antenna and transceiver coaxes off the board
and into ships wiring.
I think this could be a quantum jump up from the Shop Notes design
and perhaps more robust and compact than the ICOM product. We'll
see . . .
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------
( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
( what ever you do must be exercised )
( EVERY day . . . )
( R. L. Nuckolls III )
----------------------------------------
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...
In a message dated 2/2/2007 1:55:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
sales@6440autoparts.com writes:
Yep from what I gather there is a certain individual that has made
his own auto pilot for his spam can which is easily removable with no trace.
I'm sure that is the first thing he removes before exiting the airplane if
any ramp check is suspected. But while daylight is under his wings he is
free.
Randy
True --- And he showed it to me once upon a time. Looked very nice....
And, -- very simple.
He told me that he generally removes it and places it on the back seat
before landing.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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FOR PORTABLE GPS
How many people will die because they decide the hassle and expense of
installation a GPS and docket isn't worth the bother---and then suffer
extreme termination because weather radar, terrain, metars, situational
awareness and other information that a GPS puts at our finger tips is
not available. When FAA conjures up rules like this, they aren't always
just obstructionists, sometimes they end up adding to the NTSB stats in
a murderous way.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
john@ballofshame.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
FOR PORTABLE GPS
You're spot on, as usual, Bob. What gets me is that there are already
regulations that cover installation of unapproved components (as you
pointed out)...something to the effect of it can't be "permanently
wired" into the aircraft, or something like that. The move to make
illegal the manufacture of devices that could potentially be used to
install something in an aircraft is bizarre.
re: user fees
What's the old saying about the government taxing air if it could figure
out a way to do it?
-John
www.ballofshame.com
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:52 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>
>>#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
>>absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce.
>>How are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors
>>and Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for
>>example. Assinine.
>
> You're correct. Further, they have no jurisdiction over what
> you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
> approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
> under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
> down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
>
>
>>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument
>>panel if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd,
>>or anything else.
>
> Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the
modern
> light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
> majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
> within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
> governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
> all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
> guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
> levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
> bureaucrats to hire".
>
> Don't forget, a small fraction of registered voters in this
> country even vote. When they do vote, it's more likely
> to be an expressing of appreciation for promises over which the
> candidate has no control. A few hundred folks in Washington
> have absolute control over our future and their ears are
> NOT attuned to voices teaching the principles of simple-ideas,
> liberty and honorable behavior in a democratic republic.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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GPS
One would think that if such rule benders exist they would be
mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there any
such reports ?
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> Course, there is another issue involved...
>
> To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
>
> But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of "suggestions"
> about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy" flight
> for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
> hand-held GPS unit.
>
> So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule
> benders"
> are screwing things up for everybody else?
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PORTABLE GPS
The problem is that 1/2 to 3/4 of the pilots are too intimidated by
the FAA to do any jumping up and down or screaming. If they weren't,
we would not have ever allowed the situation to become this out of
control to begin with. These are little flying machines, for god's
sake, not weapons of mass destruction!
For instance, did you know that the ranking member of the US senate
subcommittee on aviation has just asked the head of the TSA to become
more focused on security IN GENERAL AVIATION? That would mean not
just spam cans, but ALL of your airplanes. Can you imagine metal
detectors at your airport? Confiscating your swiss army
knives? Background checks for everybody who goes on a joy ride in your RV-10?
How much worse is an accident in a Cessna 172 than in a Ford
Taurus? How many more people can a Cherokee kill in one flight
accident than a school bus? Are the electrical systems on school
buses regulated as intensely as those on a Cessna 152?
I suggest the reason the FAA keeps getting away with taking away more
and more of our freedoms is that pilots in general are such patriots
that we've always felt the government was benevolent, and so we've
cut them more slack. It's time to start looking at these
infringements on our liberties with a bit more suspicion. PMA for a
piece of plastic to mount my GPS in the panel? Give me a frigging
break. I'm writing ALL my congresspeople on this one.
Dave Morris
At 01:34 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>
> Absolutely, I've been working on the blender thing for those
> smoothies in the hot summertime. Anybody know where to get a 12v
> model I can build in ?
> But seriously I agree with you and I am looking forward to
> getting my plane built just for those reason's. But those stuck in
> a spam can will not be so lucky. Personally I don't think the FAA
> will ever be able to mandate an order that will make all of the
> portable gps's to be tso'ed as there are too many of them out there
> already, can you picture 1/2 to 3/4 of all pilots out there jumpin
> up and down and screaming at the same time. I bet it'll knock a
> brick or two loose in congress building. Besides I also think the
> issue is having a permanent docking station for the device
> installed. If I'm understanding it correctly. If it is yoke mounted
> or similar then probably not a problem. If I'm wrong I am sure AOPA
> members will scream loud enough to negate the proposed regulation.
>
>Randy
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: <john@ballofshame.com>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:52 AM
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
>FOR PORTABLE GPS
>
>
>>
>>#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
>>absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
>>are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
>>Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
>>Assinine.
>>
>>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
>>if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
>>anything else.
>>
>>my $.02
>>
>>-John
>>www.ballofshame.com
>>
>>>Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
>
>
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GPS
Not everyone who drives an automobile faster than the speed limit dies.
But they are breaking rules, nonetheless...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 6440
Auto Parts
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
FOR PORTABLE GPS
<sales@6440autoparts.com>
One would think that if such rule benders exist they would be
mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there any
such reports ?
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> Course, there is another issue involved...
>
> To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
>
> But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of "suggestions"
> about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy" flight
> for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
> hand-held GPS unit.
>
> So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule
> benders"
> are screwing things up for everybody else?
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(additional insight)
I think you're on the right track here, Bob. Anything that prevents
that connection from being exceedingly clean will cause a diode
effect, and rectification in an RF circuit can cause really nasty
intermittent problems.. The kind of problem you take to your avionics
guy and say "this squealing only happens when it is raining outside",
and he laughs at you.
Also the insertion of things into RF transmission lines is not
something to be taken lightly. You are changing the impedance at
that point, and that will cause some amount of loss. Jim Weir says
the amount of loss is insignificant in the case of the IC-ANT-SB, but
a poorly constructed switchbox might introduce just enough loss to
interfere with one's ability to contact ATC at a distance when it's
needed most.
Dave Morris
At 01:55 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
><nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
>I've been getting some direct e-mails that suggest a need
>for further explanation.
>
>Take a peek at this photo . . .
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/3p5_mm_Jack.jpg
>
>I've pointed to the little hunk of exposed brass that is supposed
>to maintain connection between the antenna and the panel mounted
>comm when the hand held is unplugged.
>
>This contact is exposed to the environment and not plated
>for longevity. Further, the wire connection terminals are
>relatively flimsy . . . if you recall - the Shop Notes
>I published recommended splicing short, flexible pigtails
>to the stub ends of coax center conductors so as to isolate
>the switch terminals from potential forcing by the stiffer
>coax.
>
>Alternatives? Maybe. See . . .
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/3p5_mm_Jack_2.jpg
>
>These are ECB mounted, closed circuit jacks. No stresses
>will be input to the switch structure due to coax . . .
>
>See also . . .
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/3p5_mm_jack_schematic.pdf
>
>Specs for these switches speak to silver plating of some parts.
>I need to explore this further. What I'm considering is a small
>ECB assembly that mounts one of these jacks and two right angle
>BNC jacks to take antenna and transceiver coaxes off the board
>and into ships wiring.
>
>I think this could be a quantum jump up from the Shop Notes design
>and perhaps more robust and compact than the ICOM product. We'll
>see . . .
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
> ( what ever you do must be exercised )
> ( EVERY day . . . )
> ( R. L. Nuckolls III )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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...
Would'nt that be nice to have one of those ? I suppose I
will just suffer through steering manually in my old cherokee untill I
finish my obam, which will have a very nice Trutrak in it.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT
OPTION FOR PORTABLE ...
In a message dated 2/2/2007 1:55:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
sales@6440autoparts.com writes:
Yep from what I gather there is a certain individual that
has made
his own auto pilot for his spam can which is easily removable with
no trace.
I'm sure that is the first thing he removes before exiting the
airplane if
any ramp check is suspected. But while daylight is under his wings
he is
free.
Randy
True --- And he showed it to me once upon a time. Looked very nice....
And, -- very simple.
He told me that he generally removes it and places it on the back seat
before landing.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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PORTABLE GPS
Dave I think you may be preaching to the choir, but the the choir
needs it too. I think most of us send in our AOPA dues in hopes that they
will solve all of our woes. And they do a good job. Since this was started
by the AOPA article I'll bet they will fight it very well. Much better than
we as individuals could ever think of doing. So those that are not a member
should become one. And those that are can send an email supporting them on
this issue.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave N6030X" <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
> The problem is that 1/2 to 3/4 of the pilots are too intimidated by the
> FAA to do any jumping up and down or screaming. If they weren't, we would
> not have ever allowed the situation to become this out of control to begin
> with. These are little flying machines, for god's sake, not weapons of
> mass destruction!
>
> For instance, did you know that the ranking member of the US senate
> subcommittee on aviation has just asked the head of the TSA to become more
> focused on security IN GENERAL AVIATION? That would mean not just spam
> cans, but ALL of your airplanes. Can you imagine metal detectors at your
> airport? Confiscating your swiss army knives? Background checks for
> everybody who goes on a joy ride in your RV-10?
>
> How much worse is an accident in a Cessna 172 than in a Ford Taurus? How
> many more people can a Cherokee kill in one flight accident than a school
> bus? Are the electrical systems on school buses regulated as intensely as
> those on a Cessna 152?
>
> I suggest the reason the FAA keeps getting away with taking away more and
> more of our freedoms is that pilots in general are such patriots that
> we've always felt the government was benevolent, and so we've cut them
> more slack. It's time to start looking at these infringements on our
> liberties with a bit more suspicion. PMA for a piece of plastic to mount
> my GPS in the panel? Give me a frigging break. I'm writing ALL my
> congresspeople on this one.
>
> Dave Morris
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PORTABLE GPS
Yes indeed. And then spend a few minutes at www.Senate.gov and
www.House.gov and let your elected officials know you are
unhappy. If all they ever hear is bland, politically correct
official statements from AOPA, they won't know how pissed we are.
:)
Dave Morris
Rebel with a vote
At 03:15 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>
> Dave I think you may be preaching to the choir, but the the
> choir needs it too. I think most of us send in our AOPA dues in
> hopes that they will solve all of our woes. And they do a good job.
> Since this was started by the AOPA article I'll bet they will fight
> it very well. Much better than we as individuals could ever think
> of doing. So those that are not a member should become one. And
> those that are can send an email supporting them on this issue.
>
>Randy
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave N6030X" <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:22 PM
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
>FOR PORTABLE GPS
>
>
>>
>>The problem is that 1/2 to 3/4 of the pilots are too intimidated by
>>the FAA to do any jumping up and down or screaming. If they
>>weren't, we would not have ever allowed the situation to become
>>this out of control to begin with. These are little flying
>>machines, for god's sake, not weapons of mass destruction!
>>
>>For instance, did you know that the ranking member of the US senate
>>subcommittee on aviation has just asked the head of the TSA to
>>become more focused on security IN GENERAL AVIATION? That would
>>mean not just spam cans, but ALL of your airplanes. Can you
>>imagine metal detectors at your airport? Confiscating your swiss
>>army knives? Background checks for everybody who goes on a joy
>>ride in your RV-10?
>>
>>How much worse is an accident in a Cessna 172 than in a Ford
>>Taurus? How many more people can a Cherokee kill in one flight
>>accident than a school bus? Are the electrical systems on school
>>buses regulated as intensely as those on a Cessna 152?
>>
>>I suggest the reason the FAA keeps getting away with taking away
>>more and more of our freedoms is that pilots in general are such
>>patriots that we've always felt the government was benevolent, and
>>so we've cut them more slack. It's time to start looking at these
>>infringements on our liberties with a bit more suspicion. PMA for
>>a piece of plastic to mount my GPS in the panel? Give me a
>>frigging break. I'm writing ALL my congresspeople on this one.
>>
>>Dave Morris
>
>
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PORTABLE GPS
A while back, there was a link to the site where messages could be
posted to the FAA related to the ill-conceived idea of widening and
permanentizing Washington DC's exclusion zone. If someone has that old
link, a few dozen, or hundred, emails would lend support to the AOPA
efforts.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 6440
Auto Parts
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
--> <sales@6440autoparts.com>
Dave I think you may be preaching to the choir, but the the
choir
needs it too. I think most of us send in our AOPA dues in hopes that
they
will solve all of our woes. And they do a good job. Since this was
started
by the AOPA article I'll bet they will fight it very well. Much better
than
we as individuals could ever think of doing. So those that are not a
member
should become one. And those that are can send an email supporting them
on
this issue.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave N6030X" <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
> The problem is that 1/2 to 3/4 of the pilots are too intimidated by
> the
> FAA to do any jumping up and down or screaming. If they weren't, we
would
> not have ever allowed the situation to become this out of control to
begin
> with. These are little flying machines, for god's sake, not weapons
of
> mass destruction!
>
> For instance, did you know that the ranking member of the US senate
> subcommittee on aviation has just asked the head of the TSA to become
more
> focused on security IN GENERAL AVIATION? That would mean not just
spam
> cans, but ALL of your airplanes. Can you imagine metal detectors at
your
> airport? Confiscating your swiss army knives? Background checks for
> everybody who goes on a joy ride in your RV-10?
>
> How much worse is an accident in a Cessna 172 than in a Ford Taurus?
> How
> many more people can a Cherokee kill in one flight accident than a
school
> bus? Are the electrical systems on school buses regulated as
intensely as
> those on a Cessna 152?
>
> I suggest the reason the FAA keeps getting away with taking away more
> and
> more of our freedoms is that pilots in general are such patriots that
> we've always felt the government was benevolent, and so we've cut them
> more slack. It's time to start looking at these infringements on our
> liberties with a bit more suspicion. PMA for a piece of plastic to
mount
> my GPS in the panel? Give me a frigging break. I'm writing ALL my
> congresspeople on this one.
>
> Dave Morris
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GPS
Folks, there is an alternative, sort of. I recently attempt a business start-up
based on a tablet computer and running aviations specific software. I had designed
installation hardware and materials that allowed the equipment to be easily
removeable, and useable in a variety of platforms. take it from the plane
to your car or boat, etc. and simply run the application specific to the activity.
The advantages were: not a single use appliance, such as a dedicated gps device
(hey, you can send e-mail when you get to your hotel/destination)
works with any vehicle or computing situation
not permanently attached
simple to remove /install for renters or multi-platform-users.
I spent a great deal of my money developing some mounting hardware, and during
the process learned that other business will steal your ideas as fast as you can
come up with them. Including the vendors you contract with to supply the hardware.
I currently have 12 of these mounts (cast aluminum, not plastic) and associated
hardware for the Itronix tablet. They are smaller and more rugged than anything
currently on the market. It took minutes to install or remove. I run RMS flight
soft and Vista as primary flight planning and gps mapping and they have XM
weather data link support. Vista incorporates a form of synthetic vision in
it's display. The Itronix computer is the most expensive part of the system, but
it is built to mil-spec, and the hard drive will not crash. It has the option
of both touch screen or pen interface. The table will run on it's own power
for 6 hrs with extended battery. the GPS and xm weather reciever share a mount
(ripped off by propellor head after I tried to buy the bases at whole sale,
and he refused to give me a price break, switched to RAM for supplier) This system
has the capability of everything you see in any modern glass panel with the
exception of TIS, engine monitor and the Mercury flight portable ahrs, but
that's another story altogether.
The only thing is I ran out of money long before I could finish a better solution
to some of RAMs other components, to support the tablet in a wider variety
of aircraft. The size and weight of the mil-spec Itronix made a yoke mount possible
but marginally pratical.
If any of you folks wish to find out more, or help with the last hurdle of mechanicals,
we can bring a huge advance to this community by getting the versatility
of open computing to GA.
The great thing about the computer is you are not limited to one application. With
some simple software additons, I'm sure we can get more features together
(like engine monitor, and more, no limitations).
If anyone would like to participate in exploring this topic further, feel free
to contact me. Worst case is I can give you a deal on components for less than
I paid wholesale, just to recoup some of my expenditures. I have 2 complete packaged
sets of the RMS software and 1 copy of mountain scope I will sell for
half retail price. I also have some bluetooth Delome LT-20s in the box. If I'm
not mistaken the delorme supports WAAS.
Hope I haven't violated any list rules with this, but is seemed somewhat relevent.
Craig Smith Aviator Solutions LLC
--------
Craig Smith
Future CH640 builder
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| Subject: | headset - bad mike test proc needed |
Folks,
the tower's been telling me that I am barely readable - and I was blaming my radio.
However, I've been flying another plane lately, and today my mike quit working.
I now think that my radio is not bad, but the headset is.
Anyone here have a quick and dirty ground test for a mike?
I'll be trying a different brand in my plane tonite, but kinda want to double check
before springing for a new headset.
TimE
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GPS
There are cops checking for speeders and know who they are. How
does the FAA know who is using non certified equipment for flying vor
radials ? And are they flying these radials with the gps just for
situational awareness while using they're nav for primary, just as all the
company's that sell these non cerified units reccomend ? If they are flying
the non cert gps as primary how would these rule breakers be sought out ?
The only way I can think of is by ntsb reports stating that as a cause. If
there are no reports stating this how would the FAA get thier info ? Bill
I'm not trying to raise an argument, but I don't see how these dreaded rebel
"rule breakers", whoever they are, can be blamed for the FAA coming up with
new rules against portable gps's. Please explain I am at a loss.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> Not everyone who drives an automobile faster than the speed limit dies.
>
> But they are breaking rules, nonetheless...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 6440
> Auto Parts
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
> FOR PORTABLE GPS
>
>
> <sales@6440autoparts.com>
>
> One would think that if such rule benders exist they would be
> mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there any
> such reports ?
>
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 PM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
> FOR
> PORTABLE GPS
>
>
>> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>
>> Course, there is another issue involved...
>>
>> To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
>>
>> But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of "suggestions"
>> about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy"
>> flight
>> for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
>> hand-held GPS unit.
>>
>> So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule
>> benders"
>> are screwing things up for everybody else?
>
>
>
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PORTABLE GPS
Thanks Dave I will send my congressman an email on the matter
too. Even though I suspect it will go to their "deleted items" folder. Or I
may even send a letter but also suspect it will be filed by one of their
aids under "T" for trash can. Sad but probably true.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave N6030X" <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
PORTABLE GPS
> <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>
> Yes indeed. And then spend a few minutes at www.Senate.gov and
> www.House.gov and let your elected officials know you are unhappy. If all
> they ever hear is bland, politically correct official statements from
> AOPA, they won't know how pissed we are.
> :)
>
> Dave Morris
> Rebel with a vote
>
>
> At 03:15 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
>><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>
>> Dave I think you may be preaching to the choir, but the the choir
>> needs it too. I think most of us send in our AOPA dues in hopes that they
>> will solve all of our woes. And they do a good job. Since this was
>> started by the AOPA article I'll bet they will fight it very well. Much
>> better than we as individuals could ever think of doing. So those that
>> are not a member should become one. And those that are can send an email
>> supporting them on this issue.
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave N6030X" <N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:22 PM
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
>>PORTABLE GPS
>>
>>
>>><N6030X@DaveMorris.com>
>>>
>>>The problem is that 1/2 to 3/4 of the pilots are too intimidated by the
>>>FAA to do any jumping up and down or screaming. If they weren't, we
>>>would not have ever allowed the situation to become this out of control
>>>to begin with. These are little flying machines, for god's sake, not
>>>weapons of mass destruction!
>>>
>>>For instance, did you know that the ranking member of the US senate
>>>subcommittee on aviation has just asked the head of the TSA to become
>>>more focused on security IN GENERAL AVIATION? That would mean not just
>>>spam cans, but ALL of your airplanes. Can you imagine metal detectors at
>>>your airport? Confiscating your swiss army knives? Background checks
>>>for everybody who goes on a joy ride in your RV-10?
>>>
>>>How much worse is an accident in a Cessna 172 than in a Ford Taurus? How
>>>many more people can a Cherokee kill in one flight accident than a school
>>>bus? Are the electrical systems on school buses regulated as intensely
>>>as those on a Cessna 152?
>>>
>>>I suggest the reason the FAA keeps getting away with taking away more and
>>>more of our freedoms is that pilots in general are such patriots that
>>>we've always felt the government was benevolent, and so we've cut them
>>>more slack. It's time to start looking at these infringements on our
>>>liberties with a bit more suspicion. PMA for a piece of plastic to mount
>>>my GPS in the panel? Give me a frigging break. I'm writing ALL my
>>>congresspeople on this one.
>>>
>>>Dave Morris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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PORTABLE GPS
I think the way you get caught is to fly an IFR GPS approach and then
get ramp checked where the enforcement official finds only VFR GPS
onboard. According to my CFI, that happened at least once at an
airport he knows where the FAA basically camped out during bad
weather and checked every aircraft as it exited the active runway.
Enroute, on the other hand, if you file direct you can fly it any way
you want to, including pilotage, and who's to know whether you used
your Nav radios or your dangerously unapproved GPS. Throw in a VOR
in each ARTCC sector for good measure, and I think there's no way to know.
Dave Morris
At 04:36 PM 2/2/2007, you wrote:
><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>
> There are cops checking for speeders and know who they
> are. How does the FAA know who is using non certified equipment for
> flying vor radials ? And are they flying these radials with the gps
> just for situational awareness while using they're nav for primary,
> just as all the company's that sell these non cerified units
> reccomend ? If they are flying the non cert gps as primary how
> would these rule breakers be sought out ? The only way I can think
> of is by ntsb reports stating that as a cause. If there are no
> reports stating this how would the FAA get thier info ? Bill I'm
> not trying to raise an argument, but I don't see how these dreaded
> rebel "rule breakers", whoever they are, can be blamed for the FAA
> coming up with new rules against portable gps's. Please explain I am at a loss.
>
>Randy
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:28 PM
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT
>OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
>
>
>>
>>Not everyone who drives an automobile faster than the speed limit dies.
>>
>>But they are breaking rules, nonetheless...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 6440
>>Auto Parts
>>Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 2:13 PM
>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
>>FOR PORTABLE GPS
>>
>>
>><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>
>> One would think that if such rule benders exist they would be
>>mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there any
>>such reports ?
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 PM
>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR
>>PORTABLE GPS
>>
>>
>>><bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>>
>>>Course, there is another issue involved...
>>>
>>>To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
>>>
>>>But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of "suggestions"
>>>about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy" flight
>>>for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
>>>hand-held GPS unit.
>>>
>>>So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule
>>>benders"
>>>are screwing things up for everybody else?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | headset - bad mike test proc needed |
The mike needs a bias voltage, have you tried a headset adapter cord to a
handheld?
I once had a problem with some headset mikes, and solved the problem by
flicking them with my finger like you'd flick a fly. Apparently having them
sitting unused for a time allowed the carbon granules to kinda stick
together, the little shock from the snap shook them up enough to get it
working again. Worth a try...
Craig Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eedetail
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: headset - bad mike test proc needed
Folks,
the tower's been telling me that I am barely readable - and I was blaming my
radio. However, I've been flying another plane lately, and today my mike
quit working. I now think that my radio is not bad, but the headset is.
Anyone here have a quick and dirty ground test for a mike?
I'll be trying a different brand in my plane tonite, but kinda want to
double check before springing for a new headset.
TimE
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Havent tried that and I'll have to ask around for an adaptor.
I should mention it was cold -10C outside. But, I was flying an Arrow and it warmed
up pretty quickly. I am gonna try a borrowed headset in the zodiac this evening.
TimE
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FOR PORTABLE GPS
I agree Randy.. In fact I recently read an NTSB report about a (I think)
172 that crashed in IFR conditions while executing an approach in (I
think) North Carolina. If I recall, the airplane actually did have the
required equipment on board but interviews with people not involved with
the crash indicated that the pilot was using some kind of PDA based
navigator.
Another possibility is that it would be obvious to assume that since the
average handheld GPS _usually_ works better* than the average ADF or NAV
receiver, people might start using handheld GPS's to navigate and shoot
approaches while in actual conditions and just forgoe the $pendy
equipment.
I suppose that the FAA might figure out what you were doing if you landed
out of the soup and an inspector ramp checked you and found that you
didn't have any legal nav equipment. "Hey, so, how did you just execute
that flight, sir?" I suspect this has happened at least once.
So, the FAA can read the NTSB reports, see what people are getting dinged
for on RAMP checks and guess what people might be doing based on what
capabilities certain devices have..
It sounds like your position is that something shouldn't be illegal unless
they can show that people are actually exhibiting a certain undesirable
behavior. I think I agree. In this case, I think the FAA can probably
show instances of the rule breakers.
Regards,
Matt-
* better in some ways and not others...
> <sales@6440autoparts.com>
>
> There are cops checking for speeders and know who they are.
> How
> does the FAA know who is using non certified equipment for flying vor
> radials ? And are they flying these radials with the gps just for
> situational awareness while using they're nav for primary, just as all the
> company's that sell these non cerified units reccomend ? If they are
> flying
> the non cert gps as primary how would these rule breakers be sought out ?
> The only way I can think of is by ntsb reports stating that as a cause. If
> there are no reports stating this how would the FAA get thier info ? Bill
> I'm not trying to raise an argument, but I don't see how these dreaded
> rebel
> "rule breakers", whoever they are, can be blamed for the FAA coming up
> with
> new rules against portable gps's. Please explain I am at a loss.
>
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:28 PM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
> FOR
> PORTABLE GPS
>
>
>> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>
>> Not everyone who drives an automobile faster than the speed limit dies.
>>
>> But they are breaking rules, nonetheless...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 6440
>> Auto Parts
>> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 2:13 PM
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
>> FOR PORTABLE GPS
>>
>>
>> <sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>
>> One would think that if such rule benders exist they would be
>> mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there
>> any
>> such reports ?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
>> FOR
>> PORTABLE GPS
>>
>>
>>> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>>
>>> Course, there is another issue involved...
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
>>>
>>> But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of
>>> "suggestions"
>>> about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy"
>>> flight
>>> for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
>>> hand-held GPS unit.
>>>
>>> So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule
>>> benders"
>>> are screwing things up for everybody else?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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PORTABL...
Good Evening Dave,
I am in your camp on this one, but I do want to point out that there is a
way to use a "VFR only" GPS during IFR navigation legally.
It is not a "cheater" use at all.
The idea is that you request a direct routing from the controller.
He/she has the authority to issue such a clearance, but there is no way
specified as to how you are going to stay on course. You could use Deductive
Reasoning if that were your desire. As long as you stay on course, you are legal
and so is the controller. Since you are operating on his/her authority rather
than your own, no cheating is taking place.
In general, a controller will not issue such a clearance unless you are
going to be in a radar coverage area.
If your use of ded reckoning results in a deviation from course, he or she
will tell you about it. You may stay on course by looking at a mountain range,
following a river or noting displacement via VOR or DME, you can make
corrections on the ded reckoning course as better information becomes available
to
you. If you use a VFR GPS to stay on course, you should also be able to make
appropriate checks of the VOR and DME positions to verify the adequacy of the
navigation method chosen.
We as pilots are NOT authorized to navigate by using a VFR GPS, but we can
use it as an aid to situational awareness as long as we stay within the
navigational airspace for which the controller has issued us a clearance.
IFR navigation is a cooperative venture. It is up to both we aviators and
the controller to be sure that whatever we do is legal as well as an efficient
use of the airspace.
Using a handheld to execute a GPS approach is illegal and ill advised. Using
it to provide situational awareness as a back up to navigation via Deductive
Reasoning is not.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 2/2/2007 5:01:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
N6030X@DaveMorris.com writes:
Enroute, on the other hand, if you file direct you can fly it any way
you want to, including pilotage, and who's to know whether you used
your Nav radios or your dangerously unapproved GPS. Throw in a VOR
in each ARTCC sector for good measure, and I think there's no way to know.
Dave Morris
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| Subject: | Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed |
Those are exactly the conditions that caused the mike on my "guest' headset
to solidify. It sat in the cold hangar all winter. I was miffed when it
wouldn't work on the first time it was used. After giving it a good snap
they stared working again. I'm guessing a bit of condensation, and cold gets
the carbon stuck together. It's the vibrations of the carbon that generates
the signal.
Craig Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eedetail
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:17 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed
Havent tried that and I'll have to ask around for an adaptor.
I should mention it was cold -10C outside. But, I was flying an Arrow and it
warmed up pretty quickly. I am gonna try a borrowed headset in the zodiac
this evening.
TimE
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FOR PORTABLE GPS
Here's the report I mentioned below:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 021023X05372&ntsbno=IAD03FA005&akey=1
This is an interesting one to me. If the pilot hadn't been described as
"very competent," I would have guessed that it was just sloppy flying that
caused the accident. In this case, however, I have to wonder whether the
pilot was getting bad information from his handheld, and whether a
certified install would have kept the airplane out of the rocks. He was
admittadly low for that section of the approach, and somewhat off course
when he hit a tower..
Link to a copy of the approach plate:
http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0701/06224G21.PDF
Regards,
Matt-
> <mprather@spro.net>
>
> I agree Randy.. In fact I recently read an NTSB report about a (I think)
> 172 that crashed in IFR conditions while executing an approach in (I
> think) North Carolina. If I recall, the airplane actually did have the
> required equipment on board but interviews with people not involved with
> the crash indicated that the pilot was using some kind of PDA based
> navigator.
>
> Another possibility is that it would be obvious to assume that since the
> average handheld GPS _usually_ works better* than the average ADF or NAV
> receiver, people might start using handheld GPS's to navigate and shoot
> approaches while in actual conditions and just forgoe the $pendy
> equipment.
>
> I suppose that the FAA might figure out what you were doing if you landed
> out of the soup and an inspector ramp checked you and found that you
> didn't have any legal nav equipment. "Hey, so, how did you just execute
> that flight, sir?" I suspect this has happened at least once.
>
> So, the FAA can read the NTSB reports, see what people are getting dinged
> for on RAMP checks and guess what people might be doing based on what
> capabilities certain devices have..
>
> It sounds like your position is that something shouldn't be illegal unless
> they can show that people are actually exhibiting a certain undesirable
> behavior. I think I agree. In this case, I think the FAA can probably
> show instances of the rule breakers.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt-
>
> * better in some ways and not others...
>
>
>> <sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>
>> There are cops checking for speeders and know who they are.
>> How
>> does the FAA know who is using non certified equipment for flying vor
>> radials ? And are they flying these radials with the gps just for
>> situational awareness while using they're nav for primary, just as all
>> the
>> company's that sell these non cerified units reccomend ? If they are
>> flying
>> the non cert gps as primary how would these rule breakers be sought out
>> ?
>> The only way I can think of is by ntsb reports stating that as a cause.
>> If
>> there are no reports stating this how would the FAA get thier info ?
>> Bill
>> I'm not trying to raise an argument, but I don't see how these dreaded
>> rebel
>> "rule breakers", whoever they are, can be blamed for the FAA coming up
>> with
>> new rules against portable gps's. Please explain I am at a loss.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION
>> FOR
>> PORTABLE GPS
>>
>>
>>> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>>
>>> Not everyone who drives an automobile faster than the speed limit dies.
>>>
>>> But they are breaking rules, nonetheless...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of 6440
>>> Auto Parts
>>> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 2:13 PM
>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT
>>> OPTION
>>> FOR PORTABLE GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> <sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>>
>>> One would think that if such rule benders exist they would
>>> be
>>> mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there
>>> any
>>> such reports ?
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:34 PM
>>> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT
>>> OPTION
>>> FOR
>>> PORTABLE GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>>>>
>>>> Course, there is another issue involved...
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>>>> To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
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>>>> But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of
>>>> "suggestions"
>>>> about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy"
>>>> flight
>>>> for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
>>>> hand-held GPS unit.
>>>>
>>>> So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule
>>>> benders"
>>>> are screwing things up for everybody else?
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| Subject: | Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed |
Try your headset in another plane that has a perfectly working radio. I bet
someone around your area would try that for you. Larry n Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: "eedetail" <eedetail@qwest.net>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: headset - bad mike test proc needed
>
> Folks,
> the tower's been telling me that I am barely readable - and I was blaming
> my radio. However, I've been flying another plane lately, and today my
> mike quit working. I now think that my radio is not bad, but the headset
> is.
>
> Anyone here have a quick and dirty ground test for a mike?
> I'll be trying a different brand in my plane tonite, but kinda want to
> double check before springing for a new headset.
> TimE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92437#92437
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: headset - bad mike test proc needed |
Craig,
Thanks for the info. This set hadnt sat in the cold all night, but it did sit for
a little while. I believe it's an electret type mike, is the other type of
mike any better or worse?
I see your' a future 640 builder - Currently flying a 601HD.
Thanks,
TimE
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hi bob n.
thanks for the reply on the wire needed inside the control stick for
the ptt switch.
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit needed |
Bob,The aux pump pushes fuel into an EFI return line, open to the header
tank, via a check valve. The pressure switch that I have isa one psi oil
pressure switch, hence NC. It seems to me that it's necessary to not
have a null betweenOn and (On) so that pressure is maintained to keep
the P-switch open as that open switch is what should keep the pump
energized. So what does a "good, good" switch cost? or who makes one? If
having the NC switch is causing grief, I could buy a NO switch. Upon
first search, I was so happy with finding a one psi switch that I didn't
think about it being an Oil Press. switch which would be normally closed
to light the idiot light. The idiot light went on when I realized what I
had done.At 10:17 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>I have auxillary fuel tanks that are pumped to a header tank for use.
I
>plan to use an OFF-ON-(ON) switch coupled with a pressure switch (NC,
and
>already in my parts bin) to activate a blinking LED when there's no
>pressure and to activate the pump. When the pump pressurizes the line
and
>opens the p-switch, the LED goes to steady on.
>
>Does one use a capacitor to get the LED to blink?
You can buy leds that flash . . . but it
looks like you need the same led to light
steady too. This will take some electronics.
How does the pump develop and magnitude
of pressure? Fuel transfer pumps generally
operate into an open line to another tank
with a very low order of pressure. You say you have a pressure
switch. What
pressure level causes it to change states?
> and is there a "null" between the ON-(ON) positions?
No . . . not if it's a really good good switch . . .
>
>Obviously I need help on the circuit design.
Need more 'input' . . .
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| Subject: | PS6000/UPS AT Audio Panel wiring |
Having bought a slow build airplane kit and wanting to do EVERYTHING on the
airplane myself, I'm afraid has brought much frustration. I just spent the
last 2-3 weeks of my spare time (20-30 hours) wiring the bottom connector of
my UPS AT SL-15 audio panel (a PS6000 with UPS AT name plate). Words cannot
describe what frustration that has been. I had to do shield "daisy
chaining" for my VM1000 connectors and that worked out pretty well but this
thing was a real PIA. Not only does one have to daisy chain the shields but
you also have to daisy chain all the low (ground) sides of the
inputs/outputs and crimp them to a single contact.
I'm sorry but if the engineer who had designed this set up would have been
sitting across the table from me these last couple weeks, I would have
choked the life out of him. I used solder sleeves on the shields but that
didn't really help keep me from creating a real mess out of the whole thing.
Then I had to make another rats nest out of the other ground wires so I
could connect them to the common pin. The pins were stamped sheet metal
double crimp contacts and I have an IDEAL crimper with the correct dies but
it still seemed a little week so I ended up soldering them as well. It will
probably work ok but most cables have only 1 wire that actually has a
contact crimped on it and stuffed into the connector block (the unit uses
spring contacts that touch against traces on the circuit board when the box
is pushed into the tray, unlike the rest of the UPS AT stuff that uses easy
to work Dsub connectors and pins that I just had to strip and crimp using
the B&C Dynon install kit). I'm a little worried about mechanical
integrity. There is no way to secure the wires on the back of the unit, the
connector blocks just bolt to the back of the tray and the wires hang off
the end (actually they will lay on top of the GPS/COM tray for a couple
inches before hanging off the end but I'm still worried about the wires
breaking off at the contacts due to vibration, any thoughts here?).
Anyone else had the "pleasure" of wiring one of these pigs? If so, any words
of wisdom or did you end up with a "rats nest" on the connector also?
Interestingly, there is also a top connector to this audio panel which has
NO daisy chaining on those wires whatsoever, each wire has its own contact
that goes into the block (and shields are crimped in together with each
ground wire contact, a really inconsistent design). PS Engineering, if
you're listening I suggest you fire the engineer who did this one, its
pathetic! Ok, enough rant for tonight, but anyone who is electrically
challenged may want to pass on wiring one of these. I'm pretty good at
wiring and really enjoy it but this was a real downer.
Dean
RV-6A, N197DM
Ending wiring, starting electrical checkout
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