---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/06/07: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 AM - Re: Protection For Auxillary Power Jacks (William Slaughter) 2. 05:35 AM - Antenna Polarity?? (Bill Bradburry) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 06:00 AM - Re: Antenna Polarity?? (Bill Boyd) 5. 06:45 AM - Re: Antenna Polarity?? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 06:47 AM - Re: Antenna Polarity?? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Circuit needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 07:40 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (Harold) 9. 08:37 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (Robert Sultzbach) 10. 08:40 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (John W. Cox) 11. 08:44 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 12. 08:45 AM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (Terry Miles) 13. 09:08 AM - Re: Snap Bushing Through Thick Material (6440 Auto Parts) 14. 09:34 AM - 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 15. 09:46 AM - How to connect to 2" aluminium tube? () 16. 10:14 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (jdalton77) 17. 10:14 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (jdalton77) 18. 10:14 AM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (jdalton77) 19. 10:20 AM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 20. 10:30 AM - Re: 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery (Bill Boyd) 21. 11:30 AM - Re: Snap Bushing Through Thick Material (LarryRosen@comcast.net) 22. 11:37 AM - Re: Aviation Activism (Dave N6030X) 23. 12:08 PM - Re: How to connect to 2" aluminium tube? (Matt Prather) 24. 12:23 PM - Re: 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery (Bill Dube) 25. 12:34 PM - Audio Iso Amp with Flightcom 403 (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 26. 12:52 PM - Re: Audio Iso Amp with Flightcom 403 (Bill Denton) 27. 01:06 PM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (C Smith) 28. 01:37 PM - Re: Aviation Activism (C Smith) 29. 01:40 PM - Just built - 3.7 lb battery 600 cranking amps, 11.5 a-hrs (Bill Dube) 30. 02:34 PM - Re: Aviation Activism () 31. 03:31 PM - Antenna Polarity?? (Bill Bradburry) 32. 03:50 PM - Re: Antenna Polarity?? (Dave N6030X) 33. 04:02 PM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (LarryRobertHelming) 34. 04:07 PM - Re: Aviation Activism (pilot4pay) 35. 04:15 PM - Re: Aviation Activism (Harold Kovac) 36. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Aviation Activism (Harold Kovac) 37. 04:28 PM - Re: Antenna Polarity?? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 38. 04:33 PM - Re: Aviation Activism (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 39. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Aviation Activism (LarryMcFarland) 40. 06:34 PM - Tail mounted digital video camera... (Greg Campbell) 41. 06:51 PM - Re: Tail mounted digital video camera... (Dave N6030X) 42. 08:04 PM - Re: Tail mounted digital video camera... (Richard Girard) 43. 08:17 PM - Dimmer for Transponder Display (r falstad) 44. 09:04 PM - Using D-Sub extract tool (J&C Piavis) 45. 09:38 PM - Re: Using D-Sub extract tool (Bob White) 46. 10:13 PM - Flap circuit (David Doucette) 47. 10:21 PM - Aviation Activism 2 (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:28 AM PST US From: "William Slaughter" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Protection For Auxillary Power Jacks Regardless of the protection scheme, take a look at these plugs and sockets. www.powerletproducts.com These come highly recommended by one of my motorcyle riding friends, and are what I'm planning to use. William Slaughter RV-8 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:27 AM PST US From: Bill Bradburry Subject: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? I have a wing-tip VOR antenna in my plane similar to the one illustrated in figure 13-12 on page 13-16 of "The Connection". I can not see up inside the wing well enough to determine which 4-40 screw is attached to the lower part and which screw is attached to the upper plate. I am using ring terminals to attach the coax as is shown in the illustration. My question: Does the antenna have polarity and does it matter which screw gets the center conductor and which gets the shield? If it matters, I will try and see up in there with a dental mirror. I would also welcome any ideas, techniques, etc., to make the determination. I have discovered that working through an access opening, with my arm over the top of nutplates, is not the best part of building an airplane..{:>) Thanks for all your assistance. Bill B ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:38 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism At 12:35 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >In addition to your message, which plainly points out all the mean and >evil Democrats by name, we still have way too many Republicans trying to >spend all your money (while claiming they're fiscal conservatives), create >more laws to restrict our flying (while claiming to preserve freedoms), >and engaging in all kinds illicit behaviors (while claiming to be for >ethics and the common man). > >Maybe Walter is right . . . we shouldn't talk politics on this board. Yup, politics gets some folks riled up, that's why I prefer to talk about responsible citizenship and honorable behavior. While there may be individuals who's dishonorable behavior is more obvious (due their celebrity status on popular media) I'll suggest there are a miniscule number of officials from the president down local dog- catcher who operates under the doctrine suggested by their oaths of office . . . An elected official's first act is participation in a swearing in ceremony. May I quote from Wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." "Oaths of office are usually a statement of loyalty to a constitution or other legal text, as well as an oath to the state or religion the office holder will be serving. It is often considered treason or a high crime to betray a sworn oath of office." I'll suggest that the first official act of the majority of our elected officials is to violate their oath by voting for new laws that attack the liberty of individual citizens. Yes, our friend Dean crossed the line by making his efforts to teach/inform personal . . . i.e. political. We should all encourage him to formulate his words such that they covey the meaning he seeks to share but without the appearance of tossing cabbages and tomatoes. How about this, "Just last night I witnessed individuals running for high public office who promised to raise our taxes to fund a public health care program." This is not a political statement but one of fact. A simple recitation of observed events. There is a fine . . . but exceedingly distinct line between teaching/informing and persuading/ propagandizing. The former is the way simple- ideas which support logical conclusions may be illuminated and examined. The latter is the mechanism by which popular mandates are extracted in support of the doctrine, "majority rule trumps principle every time". I'll encourage folks who acquire skills to dissect the components of their airplanes down to the level of simple-ideas use those same skills for every other important task in their life. I can think of few tasks more important than the process of selecting individuals who will exercise great power over us all. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:09 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? I forget whether the gamma match is DC grounded in that design, but if it isn't, a simple continuity check between coax center and ground, and coax shield and ground would tell you which way it's wired to the antenna. Does that make sense? -the other Bill B On 2/6/07, Bill Bradburry wrote: > > I have a wing-tip VOR antenna in my plane similar to the one illustrated > in figure 13-12 on page 13-16 of "The Connection". > I can not see up inside the wing well enough to determine which 4-40 > screw is attached to the lower part and which screw is attached to the > upper plate. > I am using ring terminals to attach the coax as is shown in the > illustration. > My question: Does the antenna have polarity and does it matter which > screw gets the center conductor and which gets the shield? > If it matters, I will try and see up in there with a dental mirror. I > would also welcome any ideas, techniques, etc., to make the determination. > I have discovered that working through an access opening, with my arm > over the top of nutplates, is not the best part of building an > airplane..{:>) > > Thanks for all your assistance. > > Bill B > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:08 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? At 08:37 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >I have a wing-tip VOR antenna in my plane similar to the one illustrated >in figure 13-12 on page 13-16 of "The Connection". >I can not see up inside the wing well enough to determine which 4-40 screw >is attached to the lower part and which screw is attached to the upper plate. >I am using ring terminals to attach the coax as is shown in the illustration. >My question: Does the antenna have polarity and does it matter which >screw gets the center conductor and which gets the shield? Yes. >If it matters, I will try and see up in there with a dental mirror. I >would also welcome any ideas, techniques, etc., to make the determination. >I have discovered that working through an access opening, with my arm over >the top of nutplates, is not the best part of building an airplane..{:>) You can put an antenna analyzer on the end of the coax and see what it's characteristics look like. If the coax terminations are reversed, the antenna's swr will be exceedingly poor . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:08 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? At 08:59 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >I forget whether the gamma match is DC grounded in that design, but if >it isn't, a simple continuity check between coax center and ground, >and coax shield and ground would tell you which way it's wired to the >antenna. Does that make sense? Hmmmm . . . good point! I blew that one. Do a continuity check between the coax center conductor and the AIRFRAME. If properly connected, the coax will show NO continuity from center conductor and airframe and good continuity between the coax shield and airframe. Thanks Bill. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:40 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Circuit needed At 10:18 AM 2/5/2007 -0800, you wrote: >EXACTLY! > > >John Okay, I can pop a uC chip with the code to nicely implement the idealized control scenario. The weakest link in the chain is pressure switch selection. Have you pressure tested the switch you have in hand? We can make a NC switch work in the software but it would be much better if you had an NO device. It would be even better if the switch were adjustable. Check out pages 4-5 of http://content.honeywell.com/sensing/hss/hobbscorp/pdf/cat_pav.pdf Bob . . . ---------------------------------------- ( IF one aspires to be "world class", ) ( what ever you do must be exercised ) ( EVERY day . . . ) ( R. L. Nuckolls III ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:20 AM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and squandered surplus without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. Kayce ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. While you desire to ignore the > important issues of our time, the politicians are hard at work trying to > take away what's left our precious freedoms and liberties that the > founding > fathers (Bob is referring to) worked so hard to establish and preserve > (and > there aint many left). Two shining examples of that in the last two days > have been presidential hopeful John Edwards saying he's going to raise > taxes > to pay for a huge new socialized medicine program that he'll enact if he's > president (this from an ambulance chaser lawyer who just moved into a > 26000, > yes twenty six thousand, square foot mansion built from money that he > obtained through private enterprise). The other example happened just a > few > hours ago on an interview with New York Senator Charles Schumer. This > little power hungry career politician lawyer was bragging about how he > would > be taking away all property rights from those evil folks that would > pollute > the land, air and water (great you may say but in the end it will be your > and my property rights that he'll be taking, because his party does not > believe that the average person is responsible enough or capable enough to > tend to his own affairs or take care of his own personal possessions). > > Everyone, whether you are 19 years old or 90 needs to check up on what the > people in Washington (and the politicians in your home state) are doing > EVERY WEEK. And, not be afraid to confront them by calling, emailing or > writing their offices and making your views known in their town hall > meetings. Remember these people are supposed to be elected > representatives > of the we the people, they are NOT gods or deities of any sort. Alas I'm > afraid that a good many of them are power hungry career politician lawyers > who go there for decades and never retire because they are having too much > fun spending tax money they don't have and writing ever more laws to > control > the populace. Remember the old adage, "the only way evil can prevail is > for > good people to do nothing". For those of you who think we are out of the > woods now that the Democrat party controls congress think again. The > reason > Democrats don't like User Fees is because it takes the power hungry lawyer > politicians out of control of the ATC system. Virginia Democrat > congressman > Jay Rockefeller only last week was grilling the TSA chief about why we > still > have this "big security loop hole" in general aviation!!! No matter who > is > in control in government, they will find excuses to take away our rights > (you notice I said rights not privileges). Bob is right, we aviators are > just a teensy weensy minority in the mass of special interests groups. We > ALL need to be very diligent and very active in politics or the airplane > building and flying that we so dearly love will be regulated and/or taxed > out of existence! > > Dean > RV-6A N197DM > Coming up on first flight > > >>From: "Walter Fellows" >>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION >>FOR PORTABLE GPS > >>I would request anyone who writes a message here about politics >>(Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal) to include the word SPAM >>in >>the message header so that my spam filter has a chance of catching it and >>if not, I know to delete it without reading it. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:46 AM PST US From: Robert Sultzbach Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism Hi Guys, "I am sure there is a good place for this discussion but I think we will lose a good electrical board if we allow topic drift here. Bob Sultzbach P.S. Maybe Bob could make a political discussion board Harold wrote: > > > Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and > squandered surplus > without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. > Kayce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:14 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > PSIROPOULOS" > > > > > > I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. While you > desire to ignore the > > important issues of our time, the politicians are > hard at work trying to > > take away what's left our precious freedoms and > liberties that the > > founding > > fathers (Bob is referring to) worked so hard to > establish and preserve > > (and > > there aint many left). Two shining examples of > that in the last two days > > have been presidential hopeful John Edwards saying > he's going to raise > > taxes > > to pay for a huge new socialized medicine program > that he'll enact if he's > > president (this from an ambulance chaser lawyer > who just moved into a > > 26000, > > yes twenty six thousand, square foot mansion built > from money that he > > obtained through private enterprise). The other > example happened just a > > few > > hours ago on an interview with New York Senator > Charles Schumer. This > > little power hungry career politician lawyer was > bragging about how he > > would > > be taking away all property rights from those evil > folks that would > > pollute > > the land, air and water (great you may say but in > the end it will be your > > and my property rights that he'll be taking, > because his party does not > > believe that the average person is responsible > enough or capable enough to > > tend to his own affairs or take care of his own > personal possessions). > > > > Everyone, whether you are 19 years old or 90 needs > to check up on what the > > people in Washington (and the politicians in your > home state) are doing > > EVERY WEEK. And, not be afraid to confront them > by calling, emailing or > > writing their offices and making your views known > in their town hall > > meetings. Remember these people are supposed to > be elected > > representatives > > of the we the people, they are NOT gods or deities > of any sort. Alas I'm > > afraid that a good many of them are power hungry > career politician lawyers > > who go there for decades and never retire because > they are having too much > > fun spending tax money they don't have and writing > ever more laws to > > control > > the populace. Remember the old adage, "the only > way evil can prevail is > > for > > good people to do nothing". For those of you who > think we are out of the > > woods now that the Democrat party controls > congress think again. The > > reason > > Democrats don't like User Fees is because it takes > the power hungry lawyer > > politicians out of control of the ATC system. > Virginia Democrat > > congressman > > Jay Rockefeller only last week was grilling the > TSA chief about why we > > still > > have this "big security loop hole" in general > aviation!!! No matter who > > is > > in control in government, they will find excuses > to take away our rights > > (you notice I said rights not privileges). Bob is > right, we aviators are > > just a teensy weensy minority in the mass of > special interests groups. We > > ALL need to be very diligent and very active in > politics or the airplane > > building and flying that we so dearly love will be > regulated and/or taxed > > out of existence! > > > > Dean > > RV-6A N197DM > > Coming up on first flight > > > > > >>From: "Walter Fellows" > >>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE > AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION > >>FOR PORTABLE GPS > > > >>I would request anyone who writes a message here > about politics > >>(Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal) to > include the word SPAM > >>in > >>the message header so that my spam filter has a > chance of catching it and > >>if not, I know to delete it without reading it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism From: "John W. Cox" Harold - Growth of the economy, low interest rates due to foreigners holding our debt, minimum sustainable unemployment (not everyone wants to work), higher wages=higher taxes, home ownership equity increases, growth of the stock market. I guess the Demos in a minority want to take credit and can (will always)blame Bush and Republicans for the FAA user fees about to cripple General Aviation. It was the cover story in the WSJ just yesterday. I feel someone trying to reach in my pocket. We probably need more loss of innocent lives and a full fledged stock market crash and ensuing national depression after the Clinton years to put Aviation electric issues back on the table. The Iraq issue has been there for years and will be there for decades regardless of which politic party squanders our earned income assessments. Less government is better for everyone... less republicans, less democrats, less decent... back to work everybody. Shall we talk sparks and P-static electrons due to all the friction? John Cox Do not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harold Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and squandered surplus without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. Kayce ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. While you desire to ignore the > important issues of our time, the politicians are hard at work trying to > take away what's left our precious freedoms and liberties that the > founding > fathers (Bob is referring to) worked so hard to establish and preserve > (and > there aint many left). Two shining examples of that in the last two days > have been presidential hopeful John Edwards saying he's going to raise > taxes > to pay for a huge new socialized medicine program that he'll enact if he's > president (this from an ambulance chaser lawyer who just moved into a > 26000, > yes twenty six thousand, square foot mansion built from money that he > obtained through private enterprise). The other example happened just a > few > hours ago on an interview with New York Senator Charles Schumer. This > little power hungry career politician lawyer was bragging about how he > would > be taking away all property rights from those evil folks that would > pollute > the land, air and water (great you may say but in the end it will be your > and my property rights that he'll be taking, because his party does not > believe that the average person is responsible enough or capable enough to > tend to his own affairs or take care of his own personal possessions). > > Everyone, whether you are 19 years old or 90 needs to check up on what the > people in Washington (and the politicians in your home state) are doing > EVERY WEEK. And, not be afraid to confront them by calling, emailing or > writing their offices and making your views known in their town hall > meetings. Remember these people are supposed to be elected > representatives > of the we the people, they are NOT gods or deities of any sort. Alas I'm > afraid that a good many of them are power hungry career politician lawyers > who go there for decades and never retire because they are having too much > fun spending tax money they don't have and writing ever more laws to > control > the populace. Remember the old adage, "the only way evil can prevail is > for > good people to do nothing". For those of you who think we are out of the > woods now that the Democrat party controls congress think again. The > reason > Democrats don't like User Fees is because it takes the power hungry lawyer > politicians out of control of the ATC system. Virginia Democrat > congressman > Jay Rockefeller only last week was grilling the TSA chief about why we > still > have this "big security loop hole" in general aviation!!! No matter who > is > in control in government, they will find excuses to take away our rights > (you notice I said rights not privileges). Bob is right, we aviators are > just a teensy weensy minority in the mass of special interests groups. We > ALL need to be very diligent and very active in politics or the airplane > building and flying that we so dearly love will be regulated and/or taxed > out of existence! > > Dean > RV-6A N197DM > Coming up on first flight > > >>From: "Walter Fellows" >>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION >>FOR PORTABLE GPS > >>I would request anyone who writes a message here about politics >>(Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal) to include the word SPAM >>in >>the message header so that my spam filter has a chance of catching it and >>if not, I know to delete it without reading it. > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:16 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism At 10:39 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and squandered surplus >without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. Your question is surely rhetorical but let us consider it. First, let us strip out the words for which there are a wide range of understandings that will only serve to generate a lot of debate. To reduce it to a consideration of the simple-idea, we'll need to edit it thusly . . . Q: "Who pays for a war?" Now the question may be addressed in equally simple, irrefutable terms. A: "Government participates in no value-added, merchantable activities from which income is realized. Therefore all revenues needed to conduct any governmental endeavor must come from individuals who DO have activities that generate income." Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:59 AM PST US From: "Terry Miles" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. I have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I used copper - no real problems. It was hard to solder the tabs - had to use a small torch. Jeff Dalton ----- Original Message ----- From: "brownrj" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > Is there any reason not to use copper as a ground plane or attachment > point as opposed to the brass plate sold by B&C Specialties? > Thanks > Ron > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93074#93074 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:05 AM PST US From: "6440 Auto Parts" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Snap Bushing Through Thick Material Thanks for the links. It looks like it will repair and bond just about anything. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Snap Bushing Through Thick Material > > > At 11:37 AM 2/5/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >> >> >>AKA "Shoe Goo" >> >>Ebay item number: 190024050461 > > This is a pretty amazing product for it's > shear and peel strengths. I tested it for functionality > as an adhesive to attach the 'bond studs' we used to > sell . . . > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Materials/Bond_Stud_B.jpg > > At the time, I was buying it as "Shoe Goo" but > later identified it as a re-branding of E-6000 > > http://www.eclecticproducts.com/e6000Industrial.htm > > Here are some more details for usage of E-6000 > and close cousins . . . > > http://www.eclecticproducts.com/E6000IndusDirections.htm > > The product is now widely distributed. I find it > in hardware and craft stores. The best prices lately > have been at Hobby Lobby and Walmart's crafts > section. > > Bob . . . > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:52 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Interesting battery. Message is from the RV-List. Thought this group might like to ponder it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dube Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: RV-List: 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube Well, I said I was going to do it and we finally got the prototype built. We just built a 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr, battery that weighs just 3.7 pounds. I've been testing it in my GMC van for the past week here in the Denver Winter. It snaps the van right over every morning without a problem. The van cranks faster than it did with the standard lead-acid battery. It is smaller than the Odyssey 680 so it fit in the same battery box with a couple of foam blocks for spacers. The battery has four status LEDs that tell you the cell balancing electronics are working OK. We are using A123 Systems M1 cells with our own custom battery management electronics. The A123 Systems cells are proven to be the safest Li-Ion cells on the market. No problems with fires (like laptop cells) because the chemistry they use is completely different. The battery can be damaged by running it completely flat (like leaving the master on) and holding the battery below 8 volts for a long time. It can also be damaged by charging it over 15.0 volts. It will likely still function after such abuse, but it won't be nearly as good as it was originally. If you don't abuse it, it should last you for many years. I think we will be in production in about a month, maybe two. Specs: 3.7 lbs 600 cranking amps 11.5 amp-hr Approximate maximum dimensions: 3" wide, 5" long, 7" tall (including terminals) Charging voltage = 13.8 to 15.0 volts (anywhere in this range is OK) Nominal voltage = 13.2 volts (Just a touch higher than your typical lead-acid, so it spins the starter a touch faster.) Cell cycle life rated at 2000 cycles (80% DOD, 90% capacity remaining) 10,000 cycles (80% DOD with 50% capacity remaining) @25 C Cell specs: http://www .a123systems.com/html/products/ANR26650M1specs.pdf Maintenance free No heavy metals (iron-phosphate type cells) At this time, we estimate the retail price will be $595. (Yeah, I know this is not cheap, but this is the state-of-the-art battery technology so the parts to make it are not cheap.) Here is a picture of the prototype. We have it in a clear Lexan case so we can keep an eye on it. The production battery will have a smaller opaque case with a clear top lid (terminal end.) http://www.killacycle.com/photos/aircraft-battery/Prototype1InVan.JPG We have been racing these cells in the KillaCycle for about a year, so we know _all_ about them. http://www.KillaCycle.com (Be sure to watch the movie clip.) Bill Dube' bike@KillaCycle.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:39 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: How to connect to 2" aluminium tube? From: I want to ground a 2" aluminium tube used below the fuel filler of a Europa (plastic). I suppose I could weld a tab on it, or was thinking could order a few Adel clamps (with aluminium straps), and discard the rubber and see if I could get proper size and connect the ground wire to mounting screw after I cleaned off any finish on areas I want to conduct. Any other ideas? There are hoses clamped on this elbow at both ends, I am looking for a way to dissipate static charge. Think by sneaking a flat thin piece of aluminium half under the clamp and attaching to this would be an OK resolution? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:19 AM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism We're going to pay for a lot of it with these new fuel taxes that are, in-fact, user fees for General Aviation. It's coming . . . . and the government has spent all of you/our money, so they'll need a lot. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > At 10:39 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and squandered surplus >>without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. > > Your question is surely rhetorical but let us consider > it. First, let us strip out the words for which there > are a wide range of understandings that will only > serve to generate a lot of debate. To reduce it to > a consideration of the simple-idea, we'll need to > edit it thusly . . . > > Q: "Who pays for a war?" > > Now the question may be addressed in equally simple, > irrefutable terms. > > A: "Government participates in no value-added, > merchantable activities from which income is > realized. Therefore all revenues needed to conduct any > governmental endeavor must come from individuals who > DO have activities that generate income." > > Bob . . . > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:19 AM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism Funny that when the economy is good under a Dem it's due to the Repub before him, because the economy "just doesn't turn over night" but when we have a good one under a Repub then .... oh never mind. Repubs will just spin it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Cox" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > Harold - > > Growth of the economy, low interest rates due to foreigners holding our > debt, minimum sustainable unemployment (not everyone wants to work), > higher wages=higher taxes, home ownership equity increases, growth of > the stock market. I guess the Demos in a minority want to take credit > and can (will always)blame Bush and Republicans for the FAA user fees > about to cripple General Aviation. It was the cover story in the WSJ > just yesterday. I feel someone trying to reach in my pocket. > > We probably need more loss of innocent lives and a full fledged stock > market crash and ensuing national depression after the Clinton years to > put Aviation electric issues back on the table. The Iraq issue has been > there for years and will be there for decades regardless of which > politic party squanders our earned income assessments. Less government > is better for everyone... less republicans, less democrats, less > decent... back to work everybody. > > Shall we talk sparks and P-static electrons due to all the friction? > > John Cox > > Do not Archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Harold > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:40 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > > Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and squandered surplus > without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. > Kayce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:14 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > >> >> >> I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. While you desire to ignore the >> important issues of our time, the politicians are hard at work trying > to >> take away what's left our precious freedoms and liberties that the >> founding >> fathers (Bob is referring to) worked so hard to establish and preserve > >> (and >> there aint many left). Two shining examples of that in the last two > days >> have been presidential hopeful John Edwards saying he's going to raise > >> taxes >> to pay for a huge new socialized medicine program that he'll enact if > he's >> president (this from an ambulance chaser lawyer who just moved into a >> 26000, >> yes twenty six thousand, square foot mansion built from money that he >> obtained through private enterprise). The other example happened just > a >> few >> hours ago on an interview with New York Senator Charles Schumer. This >> little power hungry career politician lawyer was bragging about how he > >> would >> be taking away all property rights from those evil folks that would >> pollute >> the land, air and water (great you may say but in the end it will be > your >> and my property rights that he'll be taking, because his party does > not >> believe that the average person is responsible enough or capable > enough to >> tend to his own affairs or take care of his own personal possessions). >> >> Everyone, whether you are 19 years old or 90 needs to check up on what > the >> people in Washington (and the politicians in your home state) are > doing >> EVERY WEEK. And, not be afraid to confront them by calling, emailing > or >> writing their offices and making your views known in their town hall >> meetings. Remember these people are supposed to be elected >> representatives >> of the we the people, they are NOT gods or deities of any sort. Alas > I'm >> afraid that a good many of them are power hungry career politician > lawyers >> who go there for decades and never retire because they are having too > much >> fun spending tax money they don't have and writing ever more laws to >> control >> the populace. Remember the old adage, "the only way evil can prevail > is >> for >> good people to do nothing". For those of you who think we are out of > the >> woods now that the Democrat party controls congress think again. The >> reason >> Democrats don't like User Fees is because it takes the power hungry > lawyer >> politicians out of control of the ATC system. Virginia Democrat >> congressman >> Jay Rockefeller only last week was grilling the TSA chief about why we > >> still >> have this "big security loop hole" in general aviation!!! No matter > who >> is >> in control in government, they will find excuses to take away our > rights >> (you notice I said rights not privileges). Bob is right, we aviators > are >> just a teensy weensy minority in the mass of special interests groups. > We >> ALL need to be very diligent and very active in politics or the > airplane >> building and flying that we so dearly love will be regulated and/or > taxed >> out of existence! >> >> Dean >> RV-6A N197DM >> Coming up on first flight >> >> >>>From: "Walter Fellows" >>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT > OPTION >>>FOR PORTABLE GPS >> >>>I would request anyone who writes a message here about politics >>>(Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal) to include the word > SPAM >>>in >>>the message header so that my spam filter has a chance of catching it > and >>>if not, I know to delete it without reading it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:42 AM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I bought some great copper bars from McMaster-Carr. 2" high and 18" wide. I riveted and the sweated the tabs on. Looks like hell, but works great. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Miles" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. > I > have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last > week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jdalton77 > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:28 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I used copper - no real problems. > > It was hard to solder the tabs - had to use a small torch. > > Jeff Dalton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brownrj" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:36 PM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > >> >> >> Is there any reason not to use copper as a ground plane or attachment >> point as opposed to the brass plate sold by B&C Specialties? >> Thanks >> Ron >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93074#93074 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:08 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's At 11:43 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. I >have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last >week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. Go to any hobby shop or hardware store and look for this display . . . http://www.ksmetals.com/HobbyMerchandisers/default.asp One of the products commonly found in these displays is a hunk of brass about 4 x 6 inches. Anything .032" or thicker is fine. Any time you need heavier and larger pieces of brass, check out the kick plates for doors at lumber yards. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery What's that work out to- about $50/pound for weight savings over a PC-625? I'd pay that to lighten an airframe, but for an item that was permanent, not one that needed periodic replacement... how long will this battery hold up in the aircraft environment? -Bill B On 2/6/07, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > > Interesting battery. Message is from the RV-List. > Thought this group might like to ponder it. > Mike > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:51 AM PST US From: LarryRosen@comcast.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Snap Bushing Through Thick Material I got my E-6000 at Wal-Mart Larry -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "6440 Auto Parts" > > > Thanks for the links. It looks like it will repair and bond just > about anything. > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Snap Bushing Through Thick Material > > > > > > > > At 11:37 AM 2/5/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>AKA "Shoe Goo" > >> > >>Ebay item number: 190024050461 > > > > This is a pretty amazing product for it's > > shear and peel strengths. I tested it for functionality > > as an adhesive to attach the 'bond studs' we used to > > sell . . . > > > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Materials/Bond_Stud_B.jpg > > > > At the time, I was buying it as "Shoe Goo" but > > later identified it as a re-branding of E-6000 > > > > http://www.eclecticproducts.com/e6000Industrial.htm > > > > Here are some more details for usage of E-6000 > > and close cousins . . . > > > > http://www.eclecticproducts.com/E6000IndusDirections.htm > > > > The product is now widely distributed. I find it > > in hardware and craft stores. The best prices lately > > have been at Hobby Lobby and Walmart's crafts > > section. > > > > Bob . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:13 AM PST US From: Dave N6030X Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism Tsk tsk tsk. I really don't think any of you people on the extremes (Republicans or Democrats) want the vast majority of us "in the middle" to start slinging mud, because then everybody will get dirty. There's plenty of blame to go around. The main thing we've got to do is to make sure that, no matter who is in power, they don't step all over us any more than they have already done and are planning to do shortly. We've already lost so many of our industries. The internal combustion engine will be under attack shortly, the FAA doesn't know the difference between engineering for safety and legislating for safety, and the politicians think they've found another easy target. Time to suit up. Dave Morris At 12:11 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: > >Funny that when the economy is good under a Dem it's due to the >Repub before him, because the economy "just doesn't turn over night" >but when we have a good one under a Repub then .... oh never >mind. Repubs will just spin it. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Cox" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:40 AM >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > >> >> >>Harold - >> >>Growth of the economy, low interest rates due to foreigners holding our >>debt, minimum sustainable unemployment (not everyone wants to work), >>higher wages=higher taxes, home ownership equity increases, growth of >>the stock market. I guess the Demos in a minority want to take credit >>and can (will always)blame Bush and Republicans for the FAA user fees >>about to cripple General Aviation. It was the cover story in the WSJ >>just yesterday. I feel someone trying to reach in my pocket. >> >>We probably need more loss of innocent lives and a full fledged stock >>market crash and ensuing national depression after the Clinton years to >>put Aviation electric issues back on the table. The Iraq issue has been >>there for years and will be there for decades regardless of which >>politic party squanders our earned income assessments. Less government >>is better for everyone... less republicans, less democrats, less >>decent... back to work everybody. >> >>Shall we talk sparks and P-static electrons due to all the friction? >> >>John Cox >> >>Do not Archive >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>Harold >>Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:40 AM >>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism >> >> >> >>Just curious, who pays for an ill considered war and squandered surplus >>without raising taxes...from an independent thinker. >>Kayce >>----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >> >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:14 AM >>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism >> >> >>> >>> >>>I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. While you desire to ignore the >>>important issues of our time, the politicians are hard at work trying >>to >>>take away what's left our precious freedoms and liberties that the >>>founding >>>fathers (Bob is referring to) worked so hard to establish and preserve >> >>>(and >>>there aint many left). Two shining examples of that in the last two >>days >>>have been presidential hopeful John Edwards saying he's going to raise >> >>>taxes >>>to pay for a huge new socialized medicine program that he'll enact if >>he's >>>president (this from an ambulance chaser lawyer who just moved into a >>>26000, >>>yes twenty six thousand, square foot mansion built from money that he >>>obtained through private enterprise). The other example happened just >>a >>>few >>>hours ago on an interview with New York Senator Charles Schumer. This >>>little power hungry career politician lawyer was bragging about how he >> >>>would >>>be taking away all property rights from those evil folks that would >>>pollute >>>the land, air and water (great you may say but in the end it will be >>your >>>and my property rights that he'll be taking, because his party does >>not >>>believe that the average person is responsible enough or capable >>enough to >>>tend to his own affairs or take care of his own personal possessions). >>> >>>Everyone, whether you are 19 years old or 90 needs to check up on what >>the >>>people in Washington (and the politicians in your home state) are >>doing >>>EVERY WEEK. And, not be afraid to confront them by calling, emailing >>or >>>writing their offices and making your views known in their town hall >>>meetings. Remember these people are supposed to be elected >>>representatives >>>of the we the people, they are NOT gods or deities of any sort. Alas >>I'm >>>afraid that a good many of them are power hungry career politician >>lawyers >>>who go there for decades and never retire because they are having too >>much >>>fun spending tax money they don't have and writing ever more laws to >>>control >>>the populace. Remember the old adage, "the only way evil can prevail >>is >>>for >>>good people to do nothing". For those of you who think we are out of >>the >>>woods now that the Democrat party controls congress think again. The >>>reason >>>Democrats don't like User Fees is because it takes the power hungry >>lawyer >>>politicians out of control of the ATC system. Virginia Democrat >>>congressman >>>Jay Rockefeller only last week was grilling the TSA chief about why we >> >>>still >>>have this "big security loop hole" in general aviation!!! No matter >>who >>>is >>>in control in government, they will find excuses to take away our >>rights >>>(you notice I said rights not privileges). Bob is right, we aviators >>are >>>just a teensy weensy minority in the mass of special interests groups. >>We >>>ALL need to be very diligent and very active in politics or the >>airplane >>>building and flying that we so dearly love will be regulated and/or >>taxed >>>out of existence! >>> >>>Dean >>>RV-6A N197DM >>>Coming up on first flight >>> >>> >>>>From: "Walter Fellows" >>>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT >>OPTION >>>>FOR PORTABLE GPS >>> >>>>I would request anyone who writes a message here about politics >>>>(Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal) to include the word >>SPAM >>>>in >>>>the message header so that my spam filter has a chance of catching it >>and >>>>if not, I know to delete it without reading it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: How to connect to 2" aluminium tube? From: "Matt Prather" I assume you want to connect a wire to the filler? Or a chain? Seems like just about anything you mentioned would work. The rate at which charge is transfered while in the fueling process is low, and the total amount of charge that can be stored prior to the start of the fueling operation is also low, so there's just not that much charge to dissipate. You could drill into the filler and rivet a PIDG or similar connecter. Or use a machine screw instead of a rivet. But... the topic of grounding the fuel system properly in a plastic airplane is one that has generated lots of debate in the past. Almost as much as political discussions on aviation fora.. So, to where do you intend to run the wire that is connected to the filler neck? If I were designing a grounding scheme for a plastic airplane, I'd be tempted to run a bare wire or chain such that fuel being dispensed into the tank would flow along its length until reaching the fuel already in the tank. That wire or chain might also be connected to whatever location I decided that I want the fuel dispenser's ground cable attached. That connection should be made somewhere that the concentration of fuel vapor is low - away from the filler neck. One other concern I have heard mentioned is how the system behaves if the airplane were struck by lightning... A small conductor from the filler neck connected to an airframe ground buss might act as an ignition source if it passes through the fuel tank. Lightning may strike the fuel cap/filler assembly directly on a plastic plane. Some people might say that if lightning strikes a plastic airplane all is lost anyway. I'd rather consider possible effects of the grounding scheme to give me the best odds.. Plastic airplanes have sustained lightning strikes and flown away with little damage. I want to be one of those guys. Maybe a reasonable approach would be to use a section of chain attached to the bung in the bottom of the tank (on the dry side of the bung, another wire connects to the ground buss). To the end of the piece of chain is a length of fuel proof non-conductive chord. Finally, the chord is tied to the fuel cap. The chain should be long enough that it can reach from the bung in the bottom of the tank to the filler neck. The chord is long enough so that when the filler cap is in place the chain can sink to the bottom of the tank. This system serves two purposes - it dissipates any charge buildup during the fueling process, and it retains the fuel cap should it be left ajar/unlatched. The remaing connection I would consider making is adding a ground wire tab (which was your question) to the filler neck. This would eliminate any chance that you would get a spark when the chain stretches from the bottom of the tank up to the filler. I think for best safety, whatever you connect to this tab shouldn't pass through the fuel in the tank (lightning), but along the outside of the tank, possibly in a fibrefrax or other non-flamable tube. Okay, shoot holes in this plan... I've been pondering it for a while and would like to hear some thoughts (if that's possible). Matt- > > I want to ground a 2" aluminium tube used below the fuel filler of a Europa (plastic). > > I suppose I could weld a tab on it, or was thinking could order a few Adel > clamps (with aluminium straps), and discard the rubber and see if I could > get proper size and connect the ground wire to mounting screw after I cleaned off any finish on areas I want to conduct. > > Any other ideas? There are hoses clamped on this elbow at both ends, I am > looking for a way to dissipate static charge. Think by sneaking a flat thin piece of aluminium half under the clamp and attaching to this would be an OK resolution? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:20 PM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 3.7 lb, 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr battery The cells have a rated cycle life (to 50% capacity) of 10,000 cycles. If you just have 10% capacity loss to 90% capacity, the cycle life is 2000 cycles. If you start your airplane once per day (with a _really_ long cranking period) this would work out to something between 5 and 20 years. The 50% capacity would roughly be 50% loss in cranking amps, so this would be probably the longest you would likely keep the battery. Of course, if you leave the master on for a couple of days and flatten the battery, you would likely have to replace it, just like a typical lead-acid sealed battery. Bill Dube' Bill Boyd wrote: > > > What's that work out to- about $50/pound for weight savings over a > PC-625? I'd pay that to lighten an airframe, but for an item that was > permanent, not one that needed periodic replacement... how long will > this battery hold up in the aircraft environment? > > -Bill B > > On 2/6/07, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) > wrote: > >> Atlanta)" >> >> Interesting battery. Message is from the RV-List. >> Thought this group might like to ponder it. >> Mike >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:11 PM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Audio Iso Amp with Flightcom 403 Bob, I have an Apollo SL30 Nav/Comm and a Flightcom 403 Intercom, that I want to combine with your audio isolation amplifier. The headphone output of the SL30 (pin 14) is directly connected with the Recv Audio pin (21) of the 403. The audio iso amp unit is used to bring together several mono warning tones and to channel them into the 403 intercom. The 403 has a music input (pins 18 and 19) that is automatically muted when the SL30 is active. As I don't want the warning tones to be muted (and shut off when the isolate switch of the intercom is activated), I don't want to hook up the audio iso amp to the music input. My question: Can I connect the headphone output of the SL30 AND the output of the audio iso amp (pin 3) BOTH to the Recv Audio pin (21) of the 403? Or is there another, better solution? Thanks for your advice! Alfred Buess CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:39 PM PST US From: "Bill Denton" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Audio Iso Amp with Flightcom 403 Why not just run the SL30 through the isolation amp? -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Europa (Alfred Buess) Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Audio Iso Amp with Flightcom 403 Bob, I have an Apollo SL30 Nav/Comm and a Flightcom 403 Intercom, that I want to combine with your audio isolation amplifier. The headphone output of the SL30 (pin 14) is directly connected with the Recv Audio pin (21) of the 403. The audio iso amp unit is used to bring together several mono warning tones and to channel them into the 403 intercom. The 403 has a music input (pins 18 and 19) that is automatically muted when the SL30 is active. As I don't want the warning tones to be muted (and shut off when the isolate switch of the intercom is activated), I don't want to hook up the audio iso amp to the music input. My question: Can I connect the headphone output of the SL30 AND the output of the audio iso amp (pin 3) BOTH to the Recv Audio pin (21) of the 403? Or is there another, better solution? Thanks for your advice! Alfred Buess CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:36 PM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I have found sheet brass at the local Ace hardware. They may or may not have some at Lowes or Home depot over in the hardware dept. I have seen some hobbyist type material there. But generally it comes in narrower sizes as Terry pointed out. Micro-mart comes to mind as a mail order source as well. Craig Smith -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Miles Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. I have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I used copper - no real problems. It was hard to solder the tabs - had to use a small torch. Jeff Dalton ----- Original Message ----- From: "brownrj" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > Is there any reason not to use copper as a ground plane or attachment > point as opposed to the brass plate sold by B&C Specialties? > Thanks > Ron > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:09 PM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism I have to say that I'm just fed up with the whole mess. Neither party does what it says it is going to do, neither party lives up to the ideals they claim to support. And I'm afraid neither party actually gives a S**T what happens to "little people". Rest assured they will find a way into your pocket one way or another. Purported economic growth is benefiting only the uber-rich while middle class and below are seeing their adjusted incomes stagnate or go backwards. Job creation is nothing but the smoke and mirrors of replacing good paying manufacturing jobs with low-paying service jobs, further complicated with the ever present influx of L-1 visa holders undercutting the middle class income at the request of greedy uber-rich industrialists, and illegal unskilled immigrants kicking the feet out from under the unskilled working class. A situation being pushed from both parties. Alternative party politicians range from the fringe to the center, but generally unelectable for various reasons. The bottom line is try to hold on to whatever you have. Write the b******s in Washington and express your views, don't vote for the same clowns over and over. Don't expect much to change. Much like a poorly run company grown too large, the good ol boys preserve their fiefdoms, and guard the halls of power jealously. Hope you die before they come for your stuff. All is lost. Craig Smith -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave N6030X Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism Tsk tsk tsk. I really don't think any of you people on the extremes (Republicans or Democrats) want the vast majority of us "in the middle" to start slinging mud, because then everybody will get dirty. There's plenty of blame to go around. The main thing we've got to do is to make sure that, no matter who is in power, they don't step all over us any more than they have already done and are planning to do shortly. We've already lost so many of our industries. The internal combustion engine will be under attack shortly, the FAA doesn't know the difference between engineering for safety and legislating for safety, and the politicians think they've found another easy target. Time to suit up. Dave Morris ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:49 PM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: AeroElectric-List: Just built - 3.7 lb battery 600 cranking amps, 11.5 a-hrs Well, I said I was going to do it and we finally got the prototype built. We just built a 600 cranking amp, 11.5 A-hr, battery that weighs just 3.7 pounds. I've been testing it in my GMC van for the past week here in the Denver Winter. It snaps the van right over every morning without a problem. The van cranks faster than it did with the standard lead-acid battery. It is smaller than the Odyssey 680 so it fit in the same battery box with a couple of foam blocks for spacers. The battery has four status LEDs that tell you the cell balancing electronics are working OK. We are using A123 Systems M1 cells with our own custom battery management electronics. The A123 Systems cells are proven to be the safest Li-Ion cells on the market. No problems with fires (like laptop cells) because the chemistry they use is completely different. The battery can be damaged by running it completely flat (like leaving the master on) and holding the battery below 8 volts for a long time. It can also be damaged by charging it over 15.0 volts. It will likely still function after such abuse, but it won't be nearly as good as it was originally. If you don't abuse it, it should last you for many years. I think we will be in production in about a month, maybe two. Specs: 3.7 lbs 600 cranking amps 11.5 amp-hr Approximate maximum dimensions: 3" wide, 5" long, 7" tall (including terminals) Charging voltage = 13.8 to 15.0 volts (anywhere in this range is OK) Nominal voltage = 13.2 volts (Just a touch higher than your typical lead-acid, so it spins the starter a touch faster.) Cell cycle life rated at 2000 cycles (80% DOD, 90% capacity remaining) 10,000 cycles (80% DOD with 50% capacity remaining) @25 C Cell specs: http://www.a123systems.com/html/products/ANR26650M1specs.pdf Maintenance free No heavy metals (iron-phosphate type cells) At this time, we estimate the retail price will be $595. (Yeah, I know this is not cheap, but this is the state-of-the-art battery technology so the parts to make it are not cheap.) Here is a picture of the prototype. We have it in a clear Lexan case so we can keep an eye on it. The production battery will have a smaller opaque case with a clear top lid (terminal end.) http://www.killacycle.com/photos/aircraft-battery/Prototype1InVan.JPG We have been racing these cells in the KillaCycle for about a year, so we know _all_ about them. http://www.KillaCycle.com (Be sure to watch the movie clip.) Bill Dube' bike@KillaCycle.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:12 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism You sound like a crybaby that didn't get his way. I thought this was the AeroElectric List. It seems I've stumbled into "I hate America because its just a bunch of liberals (consrvatives)" list by mistake. ---- C Smith wrote: > > I have to say that I'm just fed up with the whole mess. Neither party does > what it says it is going to do, neither party lives up to the ideals they > claim to support. And I'm afraid neither party actually gives a S**T what > happens to "little people". Rest assured they will find a way into your > pocket one way or another. > Purported economic growth is benefiting only the uber-rich while middle > class and below are seeing their adjusted incomes stagnate or go backwards. > Job creation is nothing but the smoke and mirrors of replacing good paying > manufacturing jobs with low-paying service jobs, further complicated with > the ever present influx of L-1 visa holders undercutting the middle class > income at the request of greedy uber-rich industrialists, and illegal > unskilled immigrants kicking the feet out from under the unskilled working > class. A situation being pushed from both parties. > Alternative party politicians range from the fringe to the center, but > generally unelectable for various reasons. > The bottom line is try to hold on to whatever you have. Write the b******s > in Washington and express your views, don't vote for the same clowns over > and over. Don't expect much to change. Much like a poorly run company grown > too large, the good ol boys preserve their fiefdoms, and guard the halls of > power jealously. > Hope you die before they come for your stuff. > All is lost. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave > N6030X > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:34 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > Tsk tsk tsk. I really don't think any of you people on the extremes > (Republicans or Democrats) want the vast majority of us "in the > middle" to start slinging mud, because then everybody will get > dirty. There's plenty of blame to go around. The main thing we've > got to do is to make sure that, no matter who is in power, they don't > step all over us any more than they have already done and are > planning to do shortly. > > We've already lost so many of our industries. The internal > combustion engine will be under attack shortly, the FAA doesn't know > the difference between engineering for safety and legislating for > safety, and the politicians think they've found another easy > target. Time to suit up. > > Dave Morris > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:31 PM PST US From: Bill Bradburry Subject: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? Hmmm...I don't think that I made myself clear. This antenna is glassed in the end of the fiberglas wing. It is not connected to anything. From the antenna's perspective, it is floating in space. I am attempting to attach the coax to the antenna. All I have available are the two screws sticking up to attach the coax. Is there any way that I can determine which of the two screws should have the center conductor and which should have the shield? I can barely get my hand up in there to attach the coax and can not see what I am touching. Is there any way to test the antenna short of an SWR meter? Boll B Subject: Re: Antenna Polarity?? From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III (nuckollsr@cox.net) Date: Tue Feb 06 - 6:47 AM At 08:59 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >I forget whether the gamma match is DC grounded in that design, but if >it isn't, a simple continuity check between coax center and ground, >and coax shield and ground would tell you which way it's wired to the >antenna. Does that make sense? Hmmmm . . . good point! I blew that one. Do a continuity check between the coax center conductor and the AIRFRAME. If properly connected, the coax will show NO continuity from center conductor and airframe and good continuity between the coax shield and airframe. Thanks Bill. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:45 PM PST US From: Dave N6030X Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? Is this a dipole antenna, or what? Does it have a balun? Copper tape buried in epoxy? Dave Morris At 05:33 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: > > >Hmmm...I don't think that I made myself clear. This antenna is >glassed in the end of the fiberglas wing. It is not connected to >anything. From the antenna's perspective, it is floating in >space. I am attempting to attach the coax to the antenna. All I >have available are the two screws sticking up to attach the >coax. Is there any way that I can determine which of the two screws >should have the center conductor and which should have the shield? > >I can barely get my hand up in there to attach the coax and can not >see what I am touching. Is there any way to test the antenna short >of an SWR meter? > >Boll B > >Subject: Re: Antenna Polarity?? >From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III (nuckollsr@cox.net) >Date: Tue Feb 06 - 6:47 AM > > At 08:59 AM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >I forget whether the gamma match is DC grounded in that design, but if > >it isn't, a simple continuity check between coax center and ground, > >and coax shield and ground would tell you which way it's wired to the > >antenna. Does that make sense? > > Hmmmm . . . good point! I blew that one. Do a continuity > check between the coax center conductor and the AIRFRAME. > If properly connected, the coax will show NO continuity > from center conductor and airframe and good continuity > between the coax shield and airframe. > > Thanks Bill. > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:42 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's I used the 48 tab ground block by B and C specialtyproducts. It is easy to work with and I recommend it. I found I actually needed to double up on a few due to needing more than 48 grounds on my VFR RV7 plane. It seems a bit pricey, but it is rock solid and quick and easy to use. Indiana Larry http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?26X358218 ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Smith" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > I have found sheet brass at the local Ace hardware. They may or may not > have > some at Lowes or Home depot over in the hardware dept. I have seen some > hobbyist type material there. But generally it comes in narrower sizes as > Terry pointed out. Micro-mart comes to mind as a mail order source as > well. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:44 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. > I > have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last > week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jdalton77 > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:28 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I used copper - no real problems. > > It was hard to solder the tabs - had to use a small torch. > > Jeff Dalton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brownrj" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:36 PM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > >> >> >> Is there any reason not to use copper as a ground plane or attachment >> point as opposed to the brass plate sold by B&C Specialties? >> Thanks >> Ron >> > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:18 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Aviation Activism From: "pilot4pay" [quote="michael.phil(at)ca.rr.com"]You sound like a crybaby that didn't get his way. I thought this was the AeroElectric List. It seems I've stumbled into "I hate America because its just a bunch of liberals (consrvatives)" list by mistake. > > Now there's a real gem of intellectual discourse! Name calling and personal attack. > Where did I say I "hate" America? I spent 4 yrs of my life serving my country. What planet did you come from? Some one started a thread open for comment on political activism. What's your problem? > Don't want to read opinions on political activism? Don't read post relating to activism. > Grow up. "GEORGE" > Craig Smith > Do not Archinve -------- Craig Smith Future CH640 builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93333#93333 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:42 PM PST US From: "Harold Kovac" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism AMEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Smith" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > I have to say that I'm just fed up with the whole mess. Neither party does > what it says it is going to do, neither party lives up to the ideals they > claim to support. And I'm afraid neither party actually gives a S**T what > happens to "little people". Rest assured they will find a way into your > pocket one way or another. > Purported economic growth is benefiting only the uber-rich while middle > class and below are seeing their adjusted incomes stagnate or go > backwards. > Job creation is nothing but the smoke and mirrors of replacing good paying > manufacturing jobs with low-paying service jobs, further complicated with > the ever present influx of L-1 visa holders undercutting the middle class > income at the request of greedy uber-rich industrialists, and illegal > unskilled immigrants kicking the feet out from under the unskilled working > class. A situation being pushed from both parties. > Alternative party politicians range from the fringe to the center, but > generally unelectable for various reasons. > The bottom line is try to hold on to whatever you have. Write the b******s > in Washington and express your views, don't vote for the same clowns over > and over. Don't expect much to change. Much like a poorly run company > grown > too large, the good ol boys preserve their fiefdoms, and guard the halls > of > power jealously. > Hope you die before they come for your stuff. > All is lost. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave > N6030X > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:34 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism > > > > Tsk tsk tsk. I really don't think any of you people on the extremes > (Republicans or Democrats) want the vast majority of us "in the > middle" to start slinging mud, because then everybody will get > dirty. There's plenty of blame to go around. The main thing we've > got to do is to make sure that, no matter who is in power, they don't > step all over us any more than they have already done and are > planning to do shortly. > > We've already lost so many of our industries. The internal > combustion engine will be under attack shortly, the FAA doesn't know > the difference between engineering for safety and legislating for > safety, and the politicians think they've found another easy > target. Time to suit up. > > Dave Morris > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:56 PM PST US From: "Harold Kovac" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Aviation Activism I too spent 4 years in the military...korean era...that's what Amedrica's about ....FREE Speech ----- Original Message ----- From: "pilot4pay" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Aviation Activism > > > [quote="michael.phil(at)ca.rr.com"]You sound like a crybaby that didn't > get his way. > I thought this was the AeroElectric List. It seems I've stumbled into "I > hate America because its just a bunch of liberals (consrvatives)" list by > mistake. > >> >> Now there's a real gem of intellectual discourse! Name calling and >> personal attack. >> Where did I say I "hate" America? I spent 4 yrs of my life serving my >> country. What planet did you come from? Some one started a thread open >> for comment on political activism. What's your problem? >> Don't want to read opinions on political activism? Don't read post >> relating to activism. >> Grow up. "GEORGE" >> Craig Smith >> Do not Archinve > > > -------- > Craig Smith > Future CH640 builder > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93333#93333 > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:27 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Polarity?? At 06:33 PM 2/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hmmm...I don't think that I made myself clear. This antenna is glassed in >the end of the fiberglas wing. It is not connected to anything. From the >antenna's perspective, it is floating in space. I am attempting to attach >the coax to the antenna. All I have available are the two screws sticking >up to attach the coax. Is there any way that I can determine which of the >two screws should have the center conductor and which should have the shield? Hmmmm . . . that antenna was designed to work against metalic structure of a metal wing for "ground". Is there even a metal sheet over the tip closeout rib? If there's no metal used to provide the other "half" of the antenna, then you're going to realize only a small fraction of the antenna's already compromised performance by tucking it under a tip fairing? How did this particular antenna find its way onto the airplane? It was originally designed for RVs and could probably be adapted to other metal wing aircraft with plastic tip fairings. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:02 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism At 02:32 PM 2/6/2007 -0800, you wrote: > >You sound like a crybaby that didn't get his way. >I thought this was the AeroElectric List. It seems I've stumbled into "I >hate America because its just a bunch of liberals (consrvatives)" list by >mistake. . . . and your hyperbole is and more restrained? It's a sure bet that everyone in Washington wants us to use our political investment of $time$ in such no-value- added discussions. It distracts us from the real issues. This thread has strayed from Aviation Activism. Let's bring it back to that topic or let it go. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:50 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Aviation Activism PLEASE NOTE: I REALLY DON'T LIKE READING POLITICAL GARBAGE, BUT PLEASE PLACE A "DO NOT ARCHIVE" ONTO THE END OF THESE PERSONAL WEEPINGS....This is a place where technical discourse is preferred. Out of context subjects don't blend to this forum, so please take it someplace where someone cares. Lots of blogs out there........... THANKS LARRY MCFARLAND do not archive pilot4pay wrote: > > [quote="michael.phil(at)ca.rr.com"]You sound like a crybaby that didn't get his way. > I thought this was the AeroElectric List. It seems I've stumbled into "I hate America because its just a bunch of liberals (consrvatives)" list by mistake. > > >> Now there's a real gem of intellectual discourse! Name calling and personal attack. >> Where did I say I "hate" America? I spent 4 yrs of my life serving my country. What planet did you come from? Some one started a thread open for comment on political activism. What's your problem? >> Don't want to read opinions on political activism? Don't read post relating to activism. >> Grow up. "GEORGE" >> Craig Smith >> Do not Archinve >> > > > -------- > Craig Smith > Future CH640 builder > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93333#93333 > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:15 PM PST US From: "Greg Campbell" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... Can anybody recommend a digital video camera to mount at the top of my vertical stabilizer facing forward? I've got a composite Lancair ES and I built in a phenolic hardpoint at the top of the vertical stabilizer and routed a 1/2" conduit into the fuselage. I'd like to find a digital video camera that could provide a real time video feed into the cockpit, plus save the video directly to a computer's hard drive. Ideally the frame rate would be 30fps or faster. Most of the little USB & Firewire "computer camers" seem to be: - not robust enough - not sharp enough - slow frame rates - not weatherproof I'd like to find a "better" quality video camera that could be mounted out there and be easily disconnected & removed when not needed, or one that is robust enough to sit out in the rain & breeze at 200 Knots. Being fairly small and streamlined would be a plus. Any recommendations? Greg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:00 PM PST US From: Dave N6030X Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... Have you tried the Helmet Cams that skaters and skydivers are wearing? Dave Morris At 08:33 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a digital video camera to mount at the top >of my vertical stabilizer facing forward? > >I've got a composite Lancair ES and I built in a phenolic hardpoint >at the top of the vertical stabilizer and routed a 1/2" conduit into >the fuselage. > >I'd like to find a digital video camera that could provide a real >time video feed >into the cockpit, plus save the video directly to a computer's hard drive. >Ideally the frame rate would be 30fps or faster. > >Most of the little USB & Firewire "computer camers" seem to be: >- not robust enough >- not sharp enough >- slow frame rates >- not weatherproof > >I'd like to find a "better" quality video camera that could be >mounted out there >and be easily disconnected & removed when not needed, or one that is >robust enough to sit out in the rain & breeze at 200 Knots. > >Being fairly small and streamlined would be a plus. > >Any recommendations? > >Greg > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:33 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... Greg, Oregon Scientific has a camera that might fill the bill. It's weatherproof, carries up to 2GB of SD memory (or whatever amount you want to buy for it). At 640 X 480 and 30 fps it'll give you 61 minutes of video. It can also do 15 fps and smaller window size for more time. Comes with a variety of straps and mounting hardware. They're $105 from Guy Graphics. Rick On 2/6/07, Dave N6030X wrote: > > N6030X@DaveMorris.com> > > Have you tried the Helmet Cams that skaters and skydivers are wearing? > > Dave Morris > > At 08:33 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: > >Can anybody recommend a digital video camera to mount at the top > >of my vertical stabilizer facing forward? > > > >I've got a composite Lancair ES and I built in a phenolic hardpoint > >at the top of the vertical stabilizer and routed a 1/2" conduit into > >the fuselage. > > > >I'd like to find a digital video camera that could provide a real > >time video feed > >into the cockpit, plus save the video directly to a computer's hard > drive. > >Ideally the frame rate would be 30fps or faster. > > > >Most of the little USB & Firewire "computer camers" seem to be: > >- not robust enough > >- not sharp enough > >- slow frame rates > >- not weatherproof > > > >I'd like to find a "better" quality video camera that could be > >mounted out there > >and be easily disconnected & removed when not needed, or one that is > >robust enough to sit out in the rain & breeze at 200 Knots. > > > >Being fairly small and streamlined would be a plus. > > > >Any recommendations? > > > >Greg > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:20 PM PST US From: "r falstad" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dimmer for Transponder Display Folks, I'm installing a Garmin GTX-320 transponder. The installation instructions call for a dimmer circuit to control display brightness. I'm also installing a B&C Specialty DIM15-14 dimmer to control an incandescent overhead light. I'd like to hook up the dimmer wire from the transponder to a vacant pin on the DIM15-14. Will this present any problems (especially any that damage the transponder)? I don't know how well balanced the dimming functions will be but I'd like to try it and see rather than add a fourth dimmer circuit to the panel. (The first two dimming circuits are for the Westach engine instruments (incandescent) and flight instruments (UMA electroluminescent rings)). Best regards, Bob GlaStar ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:17 PM PST US From: "J&C Piavis" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool Maybe a dumb question, but how do you use the d-sub extract tool to extract a pin from the shell? Since I've pulled one wire out of the crimped pin already, I'm assuming I'm not doing something right. Jim ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:14 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool Hi Jim, The extractor tool goes around the wire and slips around the pin. The pin has little tabs that lock it in the housing. The extractor pushes the tabs back so that the pin will slip out. It seems to take a little time to get the "feel" for using the tool. Also there are several tools that look similar but aren't the correct size. I used to use a cheap extractor that I bough at the local electronics supply house. It worked pretty good most of the time. The last time I ordered pins from Mouser, I got the "recommended" tool and it seems to work better. I think the metal was a little thinner making it easier to slip into the proper place. The best thing to do is push the tool in and gently pull on the wire. If it doesn't come out pretty easily, pull the tool out part way and try again. Try rotating it a little before pushing it back in. On occasion I've done that a dozen times before the pin finally came out easily. Then for some reason the next pin works right away! It's just a matter of getting the "feel" I guess. Bob W. (Not a dumb question - although there are such things.) On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:59:40 -0800 "J&C Piavis" wrote: > Maybe a dumb question, but how do you use the d-sub extract tool to extract > a pin from the shell? Since I've pulled one wire out of the crimped pin > already, I'm assuming I'm not doing something right. > > > > Jim > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com First Flight: 11/23/2006 7:50AM - 1.7 Hours Total Time Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:19 PM PST US From: "David Doucette" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Flap circuit Hi: I am looking for a schematic for a 24 volt flap control. My desire is to utilize 5 positions on a rotary switch mounted sideways with a flap shaped handle. The five positions would correspond to 0, 10, 20, 30, and 40 degrees of flaps. I would like to have an indicator to confirm flap position. The flaps are electric motor actuated. Can you provide schematic and part numbers for components to do it myself? Dave ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:05 PM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 Yes I pointed out some Democrats in my email, but you also conveniently missed the part where I said "It doesn't matter WHICH PARTY is in control in government, they will find excuses to take away our rights". I mean that sincerely, please, no matter what party affiliation you are: We ALL need to be very diligent and very active in politics or that $150,000 RV-10 you just built will end up being a hangar queen that will only be worth its weight in scrap metal! And for the record, yes there are many pro-aviation Democrats in the congress. Hopefully they can keep the rest of the special interests from regulating us out of existence (but we all need to understand that won't happen unless we make at least as much noise as those other special interests). Do not archive this one. Dean ------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- >From: "jdalton77" >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism >In addition to your message, which plainly points out all the mean and >evil Democrats by name, we still have way too many Republicans trying to > >spend all your money (while claiming they're fiscal conservatives), create >more laws to restrict our flying (while claiming to preserve freedoms), and >engaging in all kinds illicit behaviors (while claiming to be for ethics >and the common man). >Maybe Walter is right . . . we shouldn't talk politics on this board. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.