---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/07/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:22 AM - Re: Dimmer for Transponder Display (Werner Schneider) 2. 02:08 AM - Re: Tail mounted digital video camera... (Bill Settle) 3. 02:24 AM - Re: Re: Using D-Sub extract tool (Bill Settle) 4. 07:02 AM - tail mounted camera (Frazier, Vincent A) 5. 07:02 AM - Re: Tail mounted digital video camera... () 6. 07:03 AM - Re: Tail mounted digital video camera... (Walter Fellows) 7. 07:10 AM - Re: Aviation Activism 2 (Gaye and Vaughn) 8. 07:29 AM - Re: Using D-Sub extract tool (Bob White) 9. 07:32 AM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (Bret Smith) 10. 07:42 AM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (Bill Denton) 11. 08:04 AM - Re: tail mounted camera (C Smith) 12. 08:45 AM - Re: Ground blocks for RV's (George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI) 13. 08:45 AM - Re: Aviation Activism 2 (Ernest Christley) 14. 09:38 AM - Re: tail mounted camera (Carlos Trigo) 15. 09:42 AM - Re: Aviation Activism 2 (Gaye and Vaughn) 16. 11:13 AM - Re: Aviation Activism 2 (Ernest Christley) 17. 11:42 AM - Re: tail mounted camera (Bill Boyd) 18. 01:05 PM - Re: tail mounted camera (Jim Streit) 19. 05:00 PM - Antenna in Wingtip (Dennis Johnson) 20. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Using D-Sub extract tool (Dan Reeves) 21. 05:56 PM - Re: Antenna in Wingtip (Dave N6030X) 22. 06:30 PM - Re: Antenna in Wingtip (Kevin Horton) 23. 08:32 PM - Re: Antenna in Wingtip (Dave N6030X) 24. 10:46 PM - Re: Re: Using D-Sub extract tool (Bruce Peters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:20 AM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dimmer for Transponder Display Bob, that is exactly what I had on my Glastar until I've changed to S-Transponder, did work flawless. br Werner r falstad wrote: > Folks, > > I'm installing a Garmin GTX-320 transponder. The installation > instructions call for a dimmer circuit to control display brightness. > I'm also installing a B&C Specialty DIM15-14 dimmer to control an > incandescent overhead light. > > I'd like to hook up the dimmer wire from the transponder to a vacant > pin on the DIM15-14. Will this present any problems (especially any > that damage the transponder)? > > I don't know how well balanced the dimming functions will be but I'd > like to try it and see rather than add a fourth dimmer circuit to the > panel. (The first two dimming circuits are for the Westach engine > instruments (incandescent) and flight instruments (UMA > electroluminescent rings)). > > Best regards, > > Bob > GlaStar > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:23 AM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... Greg, I don't know anything about cameras, but check out Larry Bowen's site. He also has video you can see. http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2004/10/tail_cam.html Bill Settle RV-8 Wings. > > From: "Greg Campbell" > Date: 2007/02/06 Tue PM 09:33:18 EST > To: AeroElectric-List@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... > > Can anybody recommend a digital video camera to mount at the top > of my vertical stabilizer facing forward? > > I've got a composite Lancair ES and I built in a phenolic hardpoint > at the top of the vertical stabilizer and routed a 1/2" conduit into the > fuselage. > > I'd like to find a digital video camera that could provide a real time video > feed > into the cockpit, plus save the video directly to a computer's hard drive. > Ideally the frame rate would be 30fps or faster. > > Most of the little USB & Firewire "computer camers" seem to be: > - not robust enough > - not sharp enough > - slow frame rates > - not weatherproof > > I'd like to find a "better" quality video camera that could be mounted out > there > and be easily disconnected & removed when not needed, or one that is > robust enough to sit out in the rain & breeze at 200 Knots. > > Being fairly small and streamlined would be a plus. > > Any recommendations? > > Greg > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:34 AM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool Snip- > Bob W. (Not a dumb question - although there are such things.) I probably shouldn't say this, but... Back when I was in A&P school, we had a great electrical instructor who ran a tight ship. One day I wasn't sure I was getting what he was trying to explain, so I said, "Let me ask you a stupid question..." His response was, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people. What's your question?" This drew huge laughter from the whole class and from then on it had a much lighter atmosphere... Great instructor. I'll never forget him. Bill Settle, RV-8 Wings. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:41 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: tail mounted camera From: "Frazier, Vincent A" My FLIR (forward looking information resource) camera is what you need. It's been in my left cowl inlet for over 100hours and hasn't missed a beat. You can get it online from various places. I got mine from www.circuitspecialists.com for $69. It's a Sony Super HAD ccd color camera, p/n vc-806b-audio. Here's the URL that shows the installation, purpose (duh, remember the TBM/RV-6 accident), and LCD screen. FWIW, you have to find your own LCD screen... I have no leads on those. http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm about 1/3 down the page. Vince Frazier Screaming Eagle Graphics and Accessories, LLC http://vincesrocket.com/products.htm ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:42 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... I've had great luck with this camera setup. http://www.berkut13.com/berkut56.htm Scroll down to the lower part of the page for camera specifics. It's the highest res cam of it's type, it's weather proof, and internally heated to combat moisture. James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX http://www.berkut13.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Campbell To: AeroElectric-List@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... Can anybody recommend a digital video camera to mount at the top of my vertical stabilizer facing forward? I've got a composite Lancair ES and I built in a phenolic hardpoint at the top of the vertical stabilizer and routed a 1/2" conduit into the fuselage. I'd like to find a digital video camera that could provide a real time video feed into the cockpit, plus save the video directly to a computer's hard drive. Ideally the frame rate would be 30fps or faster. Most of the little USB & Firewire "computer camers" seem to be: - not robust enough - not sharp enough - slow frame rates - not weatherproof I'd like to find a "better" quality video camera that could be mounted out there and be easily disconnected & removed when not needed, or one that is robust enough to sit out in the rain & breeze at 200 Knots. Being fairly small and streamlined would be a plus. Any recommendations? Greg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:13 AM PST US From: "Walter Fellows" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tail mounted digital video camera... You may want to check aerodynamic effects, including flutter, for your tail mounted camera. I believe Art Scholl died as a result of a similarly mounted camera. On 2/6/07, Dave N6030X wrote: > > N6030X@DaveMorris.com> > > Have you tried the Helmet Cams that skaters and skydivers are wearing? > > Dave Morris > > At 08:33 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: > >Can anybody recommend a digital video camera to mount at the top > >of my vertical stabilizer facing forward? > > > >I've got a composite Lancair ES and I built in a phenolic hardpoint > >at the top of the vertical stabilizer and routed a 1/2" conduit into > >the fuselage. > > > >I'd like to find a digital video camera that could provide a real > >time video feed > >into the cockpit, plus save the video directly to a computer's hard > drive. > >Ideally the frame rate would be 30fps or faster. > > > >Most of the little USB & Firewire "computer camers" seem to be: > >- not robust enough > >- not sharp enough > >- slow frame rates > >- not weatherproof > > > >I'd like to find a "better" quality video camera that could be > >mounted out there > >and be easily disconnected & removed when not needed, or one that is > >robust enough to sit out in the rain & breeze at 200 Knots. > > > >Being fairly small and streamlined would be a plus. > > > >Any recommendations? > > > >Greg > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:50 AM PST US From: "Gaye and Vaughn" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 Dean is entirely correct in what he says. As a long time shooter and motorcyclist, I can attest to the fact that your elected representatives have to be contacted often, or they will walk all over your rights. We, as aviators, are a small minority. By the use of letters, phone and email, we can appear to be a much larger group. Why? Because few of the larger majorities lack the passsion to expend the energy required to be heard effectively. Moral of story, step on them or they will step on you. Vaughn ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 > > > Yes I pointed out some Democrats in my email, but you also conveniently > missed the part where I said "It doesn't matter WHICH PARTY is in control > in > government, they will find excuses to take away our rights". I mean that > sincerely, please, no matter what party affiliation you are: > > We ALL need to be very diligent and very active in politics or that > $150,000 > RV-10 you just built will end up being a hangar queen that will only be > worth its weight in scrap metal! > > And for the record, yes there are many pro-aviation Democrats in the > congress. Hopefully they can keep the rest of the special interests from > regulating us out of existence (but we all need to understand that won't > happen unless we make at least as much noise as those other special > interests). > > Do not archive this > one. > > Dean > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:04 AM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 5:23:20 -0500 Bill Settle wrote: > > Snip- > > > Bob W. (Not a dumb question - although there are such things.) > > > I probably shouldn't say this, but... Back when I was in A&P school, we had a great electrical instructor who ran a tight ship. One day I wasn't sure I was getting what he was trying to explain, so I said, "Let me ask you a stupid question..." His response was, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people. What's your question?" This drew huge laughter from the whole class and from then on it had a much lighter atmosphere... Great instructor. I'll never forget him. > > Bill Settle, > RV-8 Wings. > Hi Bill, I've often heard similar comments, and maybe it takes a stupid person to ask a stupid question, but here's a stupid question: "But officer, wasn't I going faster than that?" ;-) Bob W. Do not archive -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com First Flight: 11/23/2006 7:50AM - 1.7 Hours Total Time Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:43 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's Why wouldn't a brass door kick plate work...Like this http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=60593-81227-C6634SR-PL-R&lpage=none Bret Smith RV-9A "Wings" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Smith" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > I have found sheet brass at the local Ace hardware. They may or may not > have > some at Lowes or Home depot over in the hardware dept. I have seen some > hobbyist type material there. But generally it comes in narrower sizes as > Terry pointed out. Micro-mart comes to mind as a mail order source as > well. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:44 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. > I > have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last > week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jdalton77 > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:28 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I used copper - no real problems. > > It was hard to solder the tabs - had to use a small torch. > > Jeff Dalton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brownrj" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:36 PM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > >> >> >> Is there any reason not to use copper as a ground plane or attachment >> point as opposed to the brass plate sold by B&C Specialties? >> Thanks >> Ron >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:31 AM PST US From: "Bill Denton" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's Don't know for sure, but I think those types of things are coated with something to help prevent tarnish. You might want to hit it a lick with a wire brush to assure good conductivity... -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's Why wouldn't a brass door kick plate work...Like this http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=60593-81227-C6 634SR-PL-R&lpage=none Bret Smith RV-9A "Wings" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Smith" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > I have found sheet brass at the local Ace hardware. They may or may not > have > some at Lowes or Home depot over in the hardware dept. I have seen some > hobbyist type material there. But generally it comes in narrower sizes as > Terry pointed out. Micro-mart comes to mind as a mail order source as > well. > Craig Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:44 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I couldn't find any brass either. I am at this point in the install too. > I > have some .06 copper bar 2" wide from a hobby store. I ordered it last > week. I plan on riveting and then sweating the tabs to the plate. > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jdalton77 > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:28 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > > > I used copper - no real problems. > > It was hard to solder the tabs - had to use a small torch. > > Jeff Dalton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brownrj" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:36 PM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's > > >> >> >> Is there any reason not to use copper as a ground plane or attachment >> point as opposed to the brass plate sold by B&C Specialties? >> Thanks >> Ron >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:07 AM PST US From: "C Smith" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: tail mounted camera There are a lot of cameras suitable, depending on the amount of control/resolution/color/light sensitivity. What field of view do you want, or zoom? How about adjustable iris? I could send you a Bookmark file of all of the camera suppliers I have looked into. It's quite a shopping task to sort through something to fit your specifics. Watch bargain electronic websites, and surplus electronics places to get a sale on a cheap personal DVR. The USB web cams will be all pretty poor in quality, and the ones that have better resolution will cost as much as a do it yourself camera/PDVR. I have a Mustek Pdvr that uses SD cards, so your capacity is whatever you slip in. the screen is pretty small, but the whole thing is little larger than a pack of smokes. The newer model is bigger and probably better in technology. The lip-stick style cameras generally need an external 12v PS. Let me know if you want the bookmarks. Craig Smith ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground blocks for RV's From: "George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI" Exactly what I used... Works great, lots of left-over stock for other projects. Neal RV-7 N8ZG (wiring - again) Do not archive Why wouldn't a brass door kick plate work...Like this http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=60593-8122 7-C6634SR-PL-R&lpage=none Bret Smith RV-9A "Wings" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:46 AM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 Gaye and Vaughn wrote: > > > Dean is entirely correct in what he says. As a long time shooter and > motorcyclist, I can attest to the fact that your elected > representatives have to be contacted often, or they will walk all over > your rights. We, as aviators, are a small minority. By the use of > letters, phone and email, we can appear to be a much larger group. > Why? Because few of the larger majorities lack the passsion to expend > the energy required to be heard effectively. > > Moral of story, step on them or they will step on you. > I think that is the saddest statement I've read. That moral, I believe, is the very heart of the problem. Everyone is running around trying to step on each other. No one cares about individual liberties. No one cares about personal responsibilities. And reasonable rules that enable us all to live peacefully together as informed citizens are ignored. Meanwhile, the politicos are busy trying to show that they're doing "the people's business" and protecting us all from the latest trumped up scare mainly so they can solidify their own power base. It's much easier to pander to base greed with "they're going to take your social security" or "they're going to raise your taxes" while . There are so many issues that should be ignored by the government, or simply require the publication of relevant information. Smoking -- Why must it be banned in restaurants (ie, the government decides if it will be allowed)? Personally, I can't stand to be near someone smoking while at try to eat or drink. But isn't it enough to require that it be posted on the restaurants exterior sign whether they allow smoking or no? Then *I* can decide if I want be a patron of that restaurant/bar or drive to the next one. Give the information and let the people decide. Steroids in sports -- Why is this a federal issue any more than actresses getting their chests pumped full of silicone? Wouldn't it be enough to have federal researchers print any studies they've done and be through with it? If a gazillion dollar a year baseball player wants to beef up in order to get two gazillion and it willing to accept shrunken private parts, a grouchy attitude, and "bitch tits" then what business it of mine. Panel mounted GPSs -- WE HAVE NTSB REPORTS!! If planes are falling out of the sky because someone had more information than they would have otherwise, then it would be reflected in accident reports. I have yet to find, or even hear of, one single pilot or student who is excited about spending $6000 and many hours of stress and trepidation to learn to fly so that they can go kill themselves. Most that I know of spend more time studying to be safer than they do flying. How does government 'cause-I-said-so-intervention improve anything? Wouldn't safety increase much faster by facilitating communication betwee the 500,000 pilots who are trying their best to improve safety. If the panel mounted GPSs pose a problem, they will VERY quickly disappear from the scene. If they increase safety, then what's the FAA's problem? Publish the information and shut-up. Moral of the story is that the politicos response to everything is that they need more control. The argument is always that someone will break the rules and cause damage unless they take draconian measures against everyone. They, after all, are smarter than the rest of us, aren't they? It is very seldom necessary to step on another group to maintain the liberty of all. I think the moral is that we need to take the governments boots away so that they can't step on any of us. Protecting the larger majorities rights to liberties is the shortest path to protecting our own. -- ,|"|"|, Ernest Christley | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta Builder | o| d |o http://ernest.isa-geek.org | ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:15 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: tail mounted camera tail mounted cameraCraig Please send me the Bookmark file. TIA Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: C Smith To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:54 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: tail mounted camera There are a lot of cameras suitable, depending on the amount of control/resolution/color/light sensitivity. What field of view do you want, or zoom? How about adjustable iris? I could send you a Bookmark file of all of the camera suppliers I have looked into. It's quite a shopping task to sort through something to fit your specifics. Watch bargain electronic websites, and surplus electronics places to get a sale on a cheap personal DVR. The USB web cams will be all pretty poor in quality, and the ones that have better resolution will cost as much as a do it yourself camera/PDVR. I have a Mustek Pdvr that uses SD cards, so your capacity is whatever you slip in. the screen is pretty small, but the whole thing is little larger than a pack of smokes. The newer model is bigger and probably better in technology. The lip-stick style cameras generally need an external 12v PS. Let me know if you want the bookmarks. Craig Smith ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:08 AM PST US From: "Gaye and Vaughn" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 The only group that I'm suggesting needs stepping on is the politicians. Vaughn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Christley" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 > > > Gaye and Vaughn wrote: > >> >> >> Dean is entirely correct in what he says. As a long time shooter and >> motorcyclist, I can attest to the fact that your elected representatives >> have to be contacted often, or they will walk all over your rights. We, >> as aviators, are a small minority. By the use of letters, phone and >> email, we can appear to be a much larger group. Why? Because few of the >> larger majorities lack the passsion to expend the energy required to be >> heard effectively. >> >> Moral of story, step on them or they will step on you. >> > > I think that is the saddest statement I've read. That moral, I believe, > is the very heart of the problem. Everyone is running around trying to > step on each other. No one cares about individual liberties. No one > cares about personal responsibilities. And reasonable rules that enable > us all to live peacefully together as informed citizens are ignored. > Meanwhile, the politicos are busy trying to show that they're doing "the > people's business" and protecting us all from the latest trumped up scare > mainly so they can solidify their own power base. It's much easier to > pander to base greed with "they're going to take your social security" or > "they're going to raise your taxes" while . There are so many issues that > should be ignored by the government, or simply require the publication of > relevant information. > > Smoking -- Why must it be banned in restaurants (ie, the government > decides if it will be allowed)? Personally, I can't stand to be near > someone smoking while at try to eat or drink. But isn't it enough to > require that it be posted on the restaurants exterior sign whether they > allow smoking or no? Then *I* can decide if I want be a patron of that > restaurant/bar or drive to the next one. Give the information and let the > people decide. > > Steroids in sports -- Why is this a federal issue any more than actresses > getting their chests pumped full of silicone? Wouldn't it be enough to > have federal researchers print any studies they've done and be through > with it? If a gazillion dollar a year baseball player wants to beef up in > order to get two gazillion and it willing to accept shrunken private > parts, a grouchy attitude, and "bitch tits" then what business it of mine. > > Panel mounted GPSs -- WE HAVE NTSB REPORTS!! If planes are falling out of > the sky because someone had more information than they would have > otherwise, then it would be reflected in accident reports. I have yet to > find, or even hear of, one single pilot or student who is excited about > spending $6000 and many hours of stress and trepidation to learn to fly so > that they can go kill themselves. Most that I know of spend more time > studying to be safer than they do flying. How does government > 'cause-I-said-so-intervention improve anything? Wouldn't safety increase > much faster by facilitating communication betwee the 500,000 pilots who > are trying their best to improve safety. If the panel mounted GPSs pose a > problem, they will VERY quickly disappear from the scene. If they > increase safety, then what's the FAA's problem? Publish the information > and shut-up. > > Moral of the story is that the politicos response to everything is that > they need more control. The argument is always that someone will break > the rules and cause damage unless they take draconian measures against > everyone. They, after all, are smarter than the rest of us, aren't they? > It is very seldom necessary to step on another group to maintain the > liberty of all. I think the moral is that we need to take the governments > boots away so that they can't step on any of us. Protecting the larger > majorities rights to liberties is the shortest path to protecting our own. > > -- > ,|"|"|, Ernest Christley | > ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta Builder | > o| d |o http://ernest.isa-geek.org | > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:01 AM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aviation Activism 2 Gaye and Vaughn wrote: > > > The only group that I'm suggesting needs stepping on is the politicians. > > Vaughn > Aah! Thank you for the clarification. That one is very, VERY true. Please also note that it's not just the President and Congress that needs to be reigned in. The homeowner association in my neighborhood has been running for 20yrs with no problems as a collective of mostly cooperative neighbors. The new busybody board decides to raise some dust by raising the issue that the association (ie, the board) should have the power to levy liens against whomsoever they will. The measure is pretty much defeated until a new neighbor moves in several months later and is convinced to vote for the measure. I thought the thing was over with, and didn't have a clue until it was over. There's a section in one of the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" books where it is explained that normal people can never win these fights. The problem is that we don't care. We're so busy living our lives and pursuing happiness that we don't have time to order the affairs of other people. The only way for us to win is to become the people we're trying to defeat. The only way to break the horns of the dilema is to toss the ring back into the volcano that created it (Read "Lord of the Rings". Hobbits are common people. The Ring is political power.) Our Constitution was supposed to reign in the power mongering, but that hasn't worked very well. -- ,|"|"|, Ernest Christley | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta Builder | o| d |o http://ernest.isa-geek.org | ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:12 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: tail mounted camera ditto on the bookmarks. -Bill B On 2/7/07, C Smith wrote: > > > There are a lot of cameras suitable, depending on the amount of > control/resolution/color/light sensitivity. What field of view do you want, > or zoom? How about adjustable iris? I could send you a Bookmark file of all > of the camera suppliers I have looked into. It's quite a shopping task to > sort through something to fit your specifics. Watch bargain electronic > websites, and surplus electronics places to get a sale on a cheap personal > DVR. The USB web cams will be all pretty poor in quality, and the ones that > have better resolution will cost as much as a do it yourself camera/PDVR. I > have a Mustek Pdvr that uses SD cards, so your capacity is whatever you slip > in. the screen is pretty small, but the whole thing is little larger than a > pack of smokes. The newer model is bigger and probably better in technology. > The lip-stick style cameras generally need an external 12v PS. > > Let me know if you want the bookmarks. > > Craig Smith > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:47 PM PST US From: Jim Streit Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: tail mounted camera I'd like a copy also Craig. Thanks, Jim Streit C Smith wrote: > > There are a lot of cameras suitable, depending on the amount of > control/resolution/color/light sensitivity. What field of view do you > want, or zoom? How about adjustable iris? I could send you a Bookmark > file of all of the camera suppliers I have looked into. It's quite a > shopping task to sort through something to fit your specifics. Watch > bargain electronic websites, and surplus electronics places to get a > sale on a cheap personal DVR. The USB web cams will be all pretty poor > in quality, and the ones that have better resolution will cost as much > as a do it yourself camera/PDVR. I have a Mustek Pdvr that uses SD > cards, so your capacity is whatever you slip in. the s > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:32 PM PST US From: "Dennis Johnson" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Antenna in Wingtip Greetings, I have what sounds like a similar antenna embedded in my fiberglass wingtip in an otherwise carbon fiber airplane (Lancair Legacy). The kit came with the antenna already installed. I have the same two threaded studs sticking up inside the wingtip. I believe the antenna is a "Bob Archer" style antenna that does not require a ground plane, sort of like these: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/archer_antennas.php I didn't think polarity mattered when I connected the coax to the studs, but I get a really loud "white noise" sound when I try to listen to a VOR identifier. I've just hooked up the audio panel and haven't had the time to troubleshoot it yet. Maybe I'll snake my hand back in there and swap the two connections and see if that helps. Best, Dennis Johnson First engine start yesterday! ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:19 PM PST US From: Dan Reeves Subject: Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool Isn't there some comedian out there known for his "You can't fix Stupid" act? Hillarious routine,,, but I only half agree... I can fix my own stupidity in any given area by learning, studying, asking questions, making mistakes, etc,,,but he's right, no one else can fix it for me. :-) do not archive Bill Settle wrote: Snip- > Bob W. (Not a dumb question - although there are such things.) I probably shouldn't say this, but... Back when I was in A&P school, we had a great electrical instructor who ran a tight ship. One day I wasn't sure I was getting what he was trying to explain, so I said, "Let me ask you a stupid question..." His response was, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people. What's your question?" This drew huge laughter from the whole class and from then on it had a much lighter atmosphere... Great instructor. I'll never forget him. Bill Settle, RV-8 Wings. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:31 PM PST US From: Dave N6030X Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna in Wingtip If it is a Bob Archer wingtip antenna, the center conductor and braid definitely have specific places to go. The center conductor feeds the longer piece, and the braid the shorter one. Check the installation diagram. Dave Morris At 06:56 PM 2/7/2007, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I have what sounds like a similar antenna embedded in my fiberglass >wingtip in an otherwise carbon fiber airplane (Lancair Legacy). The >kit came with the antenna already installed. I have the same two >threaded studs sticking up inside the wingtip. I believe the >antenna is a "Bob Archer" style antenna that does not require a >ground plane, sort of like these: > >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/archer_antennas.php > >I didn't think polarity mattered when I connected the coax to the >studs, but I get a really loud "white noise" sound when I try to >listen to a VOR identifier. I've just hooked up the audio panel and >haven't had the time to troubleshoot it yet. Maybe I'll snake my >hand back in there and swap the two connections and see if that helps. > >Best, >Dennis Johnson >First engine start yesterday! > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:27 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna in Wingtip On 7 Feb 2007, at 19:56, Dennis Johnson wrote: > Greetings, > > I have what sounds like a similar antenna embedded in my fiberglass > wingtip in an otherwise carbon fiber airplane (Lancair Legacy). > The kit came with the antenna already installed. I have the same > two threaded studs sticking up inside the wingtip. I believe the > antenna is a "Bob Archer" style antenna that does not require a > ground plane, sort of like these: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/archer_antennas.php > The ACS page says that the antennae are designed to be installed in "metal or other conductive material aircraft". I wonder if there is a copper strip ground plane embedded in the layups where the inboard end of the antenna is attached. Or, maybe, it is a different antenna. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Greely, ON http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:27 PM PST US From: Dave N6030X Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna in Wingtip It doesn't use a ground plane. It's more like a modified J-pole I think. Dave Morris At 08:29 PM 2/7/2007, you wrote: > >On 7 Feb 2007, at 19:56, Dennis Johnson wrote: > >>Greetings, >> >>I have what sounds like a similar antenna embedded in my fiberglass >>wingtip in an otherwise carbon fiber airplane (Lancair Legacy). >>The kit came with the antenna already installed. I have the same >>two threaded studs sticking up inside the wingtip. I believe the >>antenna is a "Bob Archer" style antenna that does not require a >>ground plane, sort of like these: >> >>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/archer_antennas.php > >The ACS page says that the antennae are designed to be installed in >"metal or other conductive material aircraft". I wonder if there is >a copper strip ground plane embedded in the layups where the inboard >end of the antenna is attached. Or, maybe, it is a different antenna. > >Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >Greely, ON >http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:17 PM PST US From: "Bruce Peters" Subject: RE: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool The comedian is Ron White as I recall. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Reeves Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using D-Sub extract tool Isn't there some comedian out there known for his "You can't fix Stupid" act? Hillarious routine,,, but I only half agree... I can fix my own stupidity in any given area by learning, studying, asking questions, making mistakes, etc,,,but he's right, no one else can fix it for me. :-) do not archive Bill Settle wrote: Snip- > Bob W. (Not a dumb question - although there are such things.) I probably shouldn't say this, but... Back when I was in A&P school, we had a great electrical instructor who ran a tight ship. 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