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1. 06:45 AM - Re: Van's Ammeter (Richard Dudley)
2. 06:55 AM - Garmin 430W Install Manual (Bill Denton)
3. 07:55 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch transponder (LarryMcFarland)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 08:24 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch transponder (Gilles Thesee)
6. 08:26 AM - Re: 2 Grounds (Doug Windhorn)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Van's Ammeter (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: 2 Grounds (Sam Marlow)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: Van's Ammeter (Richard Dudley)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
11. 09:46 AM - Re: 2 Grounds (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual (6440 Auto Parts)
13. 10:09 AM - Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual (6440 Auto Parts)
14. 10:16 AM - Re: 2 Grounds (Glaeser, Dennis A)
15. 10:34 AM - 18 AH Battery Test Data (Richard Dudley)
16. 10:53 AM - Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
17. 11:52 AM - Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual (rd2@evenlink.com)
18. 01:59 PM - Switch drilling template (Gilles Thesee)
19. 03:27 PM - Re: 2 Grounds (Larry Rosen)
20. 04:33 PM - Re: 2 Grounds (Eric Newton)
21. 04:45 PM - Re: Switch drilling template (Bill Steer)
22. 08:12 PM - GPS Antenna? ()
23. 08:32 PM - Re: GPS Antenna? (Earl_Schroeder)
24. 08:53 PM - Re: 2 Grounds (Doug Windhorn)
25. 11:31 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
26. 11:36 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Van's Ammeter |
Bob,
Thanks for the reply.
I would prefer trying the external experiment before considering opening
the meter.
So, I'd like to take you up on your offer of the loan your capacitors to
do the experiment. If it works, I'll replace your caps.
Earlier, I tried to surpress RF which pinned the meter when I
transmitted. A ferrite clamp on one lead did reduce the reaction.
My address is
RH Dudley
8425 Littleleaf Ct.
Orlando, FL 32835
Thanks.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:30 PM 2/28/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Listers,
>> I have a Van's - 0 + ammeter. It is very sensitive to rapidly
>> changing loads, especially to the strobe load. The needle is in
>> constant vibration while the strobes are on and/or the landing/taxi
>> light wig-wag is wig-wagging . Is there a reasonable means
>> (preferably connected externally) for increasing its response time.
>> Its external connections are gnd, power, and two terminals to the
>> shunt.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for suggestions.
>>
>> Richard Dudley
>> RV-6A flying
>
>
> This instrument is a very low-impedance device (40mv full
> scale as I recall) in terms of adding damping. The really
> slick way to damp these devices is to put a drop of hi-viscosity
> silicone oil in the pivot bearings. We experimented with this
> at Cessna about 1965 . . . it worked really well. I think
> we had Stewart-Warner do that mod on future units but I
> don't recall now. There's a 50,000 cts "differential lock"
> oil that's popular with the electric race car crowd that costs
> about $5.00 for a 1 oz bottle. One drop on each bearing
> would damp it very nicely.
>
> The problem with doing the job electrically is that the
> source impedance for the driving signal is VERY low . . .
> like a few milliohms. It takes a whopping capacitor to
> add much time-constant at this low level. Try putting say
> a 10 ohm resistor in series with one of the shunt leads
> and the parallel the instrument with the biggest capacitor
> you can find. I've got some 330uf/6v tantalums you could
> try. About three of those in parallel would get 1000uF.
> This MIGHT be useful to try.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
> ( what ever you do must be exercised )
> ( EVERY day . . . )
> ( R. L. Nuckolls III )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Garmin 430W Install Manual |
Hi, Group...
There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced because
the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda big.
Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I don't
want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't want to
jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me with
stuff.
Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups benefit...
Thank you!
Bill Denton
bdenton@bdenton.com
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Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch transponder |
Hi Bevan,
I've been using a Becker Transponder 2 1/4 inch for about 2 years now
and really like the product. It's well built, very easy to use and install.
There's been no problems with it. I looked at Microair before deciding
that the Becker was a superior piece of workmanship.
The manual was very well done.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
B Tomm wrote:
>
> I'm considering on using a 2 1/4 inch transponder such as Becker or
> Microair to free up space in my vertical stack. Does anyone have any
> experience, cautions or other advice regarding these "round"
> transponders? They are not as common as the Garmin but any good?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bevan
> RV7A finishing kit
>
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Subject: | Garmin 430W Install Manual |
Well Im trying to get it and Ill post it for all.
I cant even spell Garmen.
Send it to me.
Mike
mstewartga@yahoo.com or mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Denton
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
<bdenton@bdenton.com>
Hi, Group...
There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced
because
the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda big.
Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I
don't
want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't want
to
jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me with
stuff.
Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups benefit...
Thank you!
Bill Denton
bdenton@bdenton.com
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Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch transponder |
LarryMcFarland a crit :
>
> I've been using a Becker Transponder 2 1/4 inch for about 2 years now
> and really like the product. It's well built, very easy to use and
> install.
> There's been no problems with it. I looked at Microair before
> deciding that the Becker was a superior piece of workmanship.
> The manual was very well done.
Bevan, Larry and all,
I'll second that. A breeze to install, more than two years flying now,
and no problem.
Becker products have an outstanding reputation in Europe.
Regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Larry,
I'll take a stab at attempting to clarify this. It makes sense to run all
ground wires to a single ground point, including the avionics. What I
believe Bob is saying is that common ground point for the avionics may be
established near the avionics, then a single wire connects the avionics
ground point to the "forest of tabs" on the firewall.
In effect, this method uses the same ground point and the circuitry is
virtually identical from a current flow standpoint. It precludes the
possibility of alternate feed paths for the ground current, and may, to some
miniscule degree, reduce the possibility of electromagnetic crosstalk. The
avionics to firewall ground wire needs to be large enough to handle the
combined current demand of all of the avionics.
I see plusses and minuses with the remote avionics ground point. On the
plus side is that the amount of wires from the panel to the firewall is
reduced making, possibly, for a cleaner wiring job, lower weight
(minimally), and so on. On the minus side is that failure of the connection
between the avionics ground and the firewall ground wipes out all of the
avionics (but a good installation should preclude this from being a
significant concern). It is a wash in my view, and therefore, neither
arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the other. Weigh your concerns and
use the system you feel most comfortable with.
Hope this helps.
Doug Windhorn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 18:01
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> To quote you, chapter 18 page 11 of the connection (hope I am not
> violating your copy write)
> "The forest-of-ground-tabs technique described in Chapter 5 is entirely
> suitable and convenient for most equipment in the electrical system.
> However, while it is electrically correct to wire all the panel mounted
> equipment to the same ground block the total number of wires can be
> significant.
>
> Further, given that there are a number of small signal systems vulnerable
> to noise concentrated on the panel, it makes sense to create separate and
> co-located ground system for these potential victims. ..."
>
> Are you saying that the separate and co-located avionics ground system is
> acceptable because the potential for noise from this design is minimal,
> and the advantage of not running many separate grounds from all the
> avionics to the ground bus outweighs the minimal noise potential.
>
> Can I then make the conclusion, that if the ground bus were near the
> avionics, running the wires a single bus would be minimally superior?
>
> Larry Rosen
>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>>
>> At 11:32 AM 2/26/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Do I need a separate ground for the Avionics, including the phones. Or
>>> will the ganged firewall (cool side) ground block be satisfactory for
>>> all my grounds? I think the audio panel (GMA 340) has a ground block.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam Marlow
>>
>> See chapter on Grounds in the 'Connection and in
>> particular the suggested architectures illustrated
>> in Figure Z-15 in . . .
>>
>> http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11J.pdf
>>
>> The term "need" is not quantifiable. There are tens
>> of thousands of vehicles including airplanes where
>> various systems in power distribution and signal
>> handling are "grounded" willy-nilly without consideration
>> for the physics
>>
>> For every builder that touts a "need" there will be
>> a half dozen who cite observations based on their
>> own experiences that contradict the notion of "need".
>>
>> Bottom line is that there are reasons based in physics
>> that show now potential for noise and/or degraded operation
>> can be elevated by inattention to grounding. It's easy
>> to do but if you don't wish to do it, probability of
>> a PERCEIVED degradation of performance is low. HOWEVER
>> when a build comes on the list citing some anomalous or
>> noisy behavior, the first question that enters my mind
>> is, "How are your grounds architectured?".
>>
>> If things are stuck down to the airframe without regard
>> to practices and principles KNOWN to reduce risk, then
>> identifying and fixing the problem can be much harder.
>>
>> None of us can tell you that you NEED to do anything
>> but plenty of us who will sympathize with you should
>> some noise problem present itself at some time in the
>> future.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> ( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
>> ( what ever you do must be exercised )
>> ( EVERY day . . . )
>> ( R. L. Nuckolls III )
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Van's Ammeter |
At 09:44 AM 3/1/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
>
>Bob,
>Thanks for the reply.
>I would prefer trying the external experiment before considering opening
>the meter.
>So, I'd like to take you up on your offer of the loan your capacitors to
>do the experiment. If it works, I'll replace your caps.
>Earlier, I tried to surpress RF which pinned the meter when I transmitted.
>A ferrite clamp on one lead did reduce the reaction.
????? an RF sensitive ammeter ????
This doesn't sound like the instrument I looked at
several years ago that came from Vans. Is this a powered
device? More than two wires that only come from a shunt?
>My address is
>RH Dudley
>8425 Littleleaf Ct.
>Orlando, FL 32835
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Richard Dudley
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Thanks Doug for clarification!
Sam Marlow
Doug Windhorn wrote:
> <N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
>
> Larry,
>
> I'll take a stab at attempting to clarify this. It makes sense to run
> all ground wires to a single ground point, including the avionics.
> What I believe Bob is saying is that common ground point for the
> avionics may be established near the avionics, then a single wire
> connects the avionics ground point to the "forest of tabs" on the
> firewall.
>
> In effect, this method uses the same ground point and the circuitry is
> virtually identical from a current flow standpoint. It precludes the
> possibility of alternate feed paths for the ground current, and may,
> to some miniscule degree, reduce the possibility of electromagnetic
> crosstalk. The avionics to firewall ground wire needs to be large
> enough to handle the combined current demand of all of the avionics.
>
> I see plusses and minuses with the remote avionics ground point. On
> the plus side is that the amount of wires from the panel to the
> firewall is reduced making, possibly, for a cleaner wiring job, lower
> weight (minimally), and so on. On the minus side is that failure of
> the connection between the avionics ground and the firewall ground
> wipes out all of the avionics (but a good installation should preclude
> this from being a significant concern). It is a wash in my view, and
> therefore, neither arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the
> other. Weigh your concerns and use the system you feel most
> comfortable with.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Doug Windhorn
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 18:01
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
>
>
>> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> To quote you, chapter 18 page 11 of the connection (hope I am not
>> violating your copy write)
>> "The forest-of-ground-tabs technique described in Chapter 5 is
>> entirely suitable and convenient for most equipment in the electrical
>> system. However, while it is electrically correct to wire all the
>> panel mounted equipment to the same ground block the total number of
>> wires can be significant.
>>
>> Further, given that there are a number of small signal systems
>> vulnerable to noise concentrated on the panel, it makes sense to
>> create separate and co-located ground system for these potential
>> victims. ..."
>>
>> Are you saying that the separate and co-located avionics ground
>> system is acceptable because the potential for noise from this design
>> is minimal, and the advantage of not running many separate grounds
>> from all the avionics to the ground bus outweighs the minimal noise
>> potential.
>>
>> Can I then make the conclusion, that if the ground bus were near the
>> avionics, running the wires a single bus would be minimally superior?
>>
>> Larry Rosen
>>
>>
>> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>>> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>>>
>>> At 11:32 AM 2/26/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do I need a separate ground for the Avionics, including the phones.
>>>> Or will the ganged firewall (cool side) ground block be
>>>> satisfactory for all my grounds? I think the audio panel (GMA 340)
>>>> has a ground block.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sam Marlow
>>>
>>> See chapter on Grounds in the 'Connection and in
>>> particular the suggested architectures illustrated
>>> in Figure Z-15 in . . .
>>>
>>> http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11J.pdf
>>>
>>> The term "need" is not quantifiable. There are tens
>>> of thousands of vehicles including airplanes where
>>> various systems in power distribution and signal
>>> handling are "grounded" willy-nilly without consideration
>>> for the physics
>>>
>>> For every builder that touts a "need" there will be
>>> a half dozen who cite observations based on their
>>> own experiences that contradict the notion of "need".
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that there are reasons based in physics
>>> that show now potential for noise and/or degraded operation
>>> can be elevated by inattention to grounding. It's easy
>>> to do but if you don't wish to do it, probability of
>>> a PERCEIVED degradation of performance is low. HOWEVER
>>> when a build comes on the list citing some anomalous or
>>> noisy behavior, the first question that enters my mind
>>> is, "How are your grounds architectured?".
>>>
>>> If things are stuck down to the airframe without regard
>>> to practices and principles KNOWN to reduce risk, then
>>> identifying and fixing the problem can be much harder.
>>>
>>> None of us can tell you that you NEED to do anything
>>> but plenty of us who will sympathize with you should
>>> some noise problem present itself at some time in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>> Bob . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>> ( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
>>> ( what ever you do must be exercised )
>>> ( EVERY day . . . )
>>> ( R. L. Nuckolls III )
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Van's Ammeter |
Bob,
Yes, as I mentioned in my first e-mail, there are four connections, two
in addition to the shunt for power and ground.
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:44 AM 3/1/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Bob,
>> Thanks for the reply.
>> I would prefer trying the external experiment before considering
>> opening the meter.
>> So, I'd like to take you up on your offer of the loan your capacitors
>> to do the experiment. If it works, I'll replace your caps.
>> Earlier, I tried to surpress RF which pinned the meter when I
>> transmitted. A ferrite clamp on one lead did reduce the reaction.
>
>
> ????? an RF sensitive ammeter ????
>
> This doesn't sound like the instrument I looked at
> several years ago that came from Vans. Is this a powered
> device? More than two wires that only come from a shunt?
>
>
>> My address is
>> RH Dudley
>> 8425 Littleleaf Ct.
>> Orlando, FL 32835
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard Dudley
>
>
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Subject: | Garmin 430W Install Manual |
Enjoy,
http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/downloads.htm
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
Well Im trying to get it and Ill post it for all.
I cant even spell Garmen.
Send it to me.
Mike
mstewartga@yahoo.com or mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Denton
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
<bdenton@bdenton.com>
Hi, Group...
There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced
because
the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda big.
Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I
don't
want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't want
to
jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me with
stuff.
Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups benefit...
Thank you!
Bill Denton
bdenton@bdenton.com
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At 12:08 PM 3/1/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Thanks Doug for clarification!
>Sam Marlow
>
>Doug Windhorn wrote:
>><N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
>>
>>Larry,
>>
>>I'll take a stab at attempting to clarify this. It makes sense to run
>>all ground wires to a single ground point, including the avionics.
>>What I believe Bob is saying is that common ground point for the avionics
>>may be established near the avionics, then a single wire connects the
>>avionics ground point to the "forest of tabs" on the firewall.
>>
>>In effect, this method uses the same ground point and the circuitry is
>>virtually identical from a current flow standpoint. It precludes the
>>possibility of alternate feed paths for the ground current, and may, to
>>some miniscule degree, reduce the possibility of electromagnetic
>>crosstalk. The avionics to firewall ground wire needs to be large enough
>>to handle the combined current demand of all of the avionics.
>>
>>I see plusses and minuses with the remote avionics ground point. On the
>>plus side is that the amount of wires from the panel to the firewall is
>>reduced making, possibly, for a cleaner wiring job, lower weight
>>(minimally), and so on. On the minus side is that failure of the
>>connection between the avionics ground and the firewall ground wipes out
>>all of the avionics (but a good installation should preclude this from
>>being a significant concern). It is a wash in my view, and therefore,
>>neither arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the other. Weigh your
>>concerns and use the system you feel most comfortable with.
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>Doug Windhorn
Right on Doug. Thanks. The single-point failure issue
is addressed by the notation you'll find on Figure Z-15
illustrations for the panel ground bus where I show
five separate, 20AWG wires to run from the panel ground
bus down to the firewall ground.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual |
Not sure if this will help but you may give it a try.
http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/howtogetagarminmanual.htm
The accual link to the 430 I think is
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/143_InstallationManual.pdf
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> Hi, Group...
>
> There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
>
> I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced
> because
> the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda big.
>
> Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
>
> I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I
> don't
> want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't want to
> jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me with
> stuff.
>
> Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups benefit...
>
> Thank you!
>
> Bill Denton
> bdenton@bdenton.com
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Garmin 430W Install Manual |
Mike thanks for your efforts of putting these on your website. As
far as I can tell you are the only one that offers this service for free.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
> <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
>
> Enjoy,
> http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/downloads.htm
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:04 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
>
> Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
>
> Well Im trying to get it and Ill post it for all.
> I cant even spell Garmen.
> Send it to me.
> Mike
> mstewartga@yahoo.com or mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Denton
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:55 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
>
> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> Hi, Group...
>
> There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
>
> I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced
> because
> the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda big.
>
> Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
>
> I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I
> don't
> want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't want
> to
> jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me with
> stuff.
>
> Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups benefit...
>
> Thank you!
>
> Bill Denton
> bdenton@bdenton.com
>
>
>
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I ran Power grounds for each radio to the forest of tabs, and used the
'remote ground' for all of the signal connection 'lows' and shields.
With this setup, I believe that the connection from the remote ground to
the forest of tabs is non-critical (although I agree it's failure
potential rivals my chances of winning the lottery :-)
Dennis Glaeser
----------------------------------------------------
From: Doug Windhorn
--- <-snip-> ---
On the minus side is that failure of the connection
between the avionics ground and the firewall ground wipes out all of the
avionics (but a good installation should preclude this from being a
significant concern). It is a wash in my view, and therefore, neither
arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the other. Weigh your concerns
and
use the system you feel most comfortable with.
Hope this helps.
Doug Windhorn
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Subject: | 18 AH Battery Test Data |
Listers,
FWIW I have been following the procedure of replacing my 18/17.X AH RG
battery annually for the last two years. This year, I decided to do an
endurance test on the "old" battery. Using an automotive two filament
headlamp with the filaments in parallel, I was able to start at a
current of 6.7 amps drain to simulate an endurance buss demand with a
failed alternator. The battery has been used for one year including
about 40 flight hours and 50 engine starts.
The battery is a 17-18 AH sold by Batteries Plus sometimes with the
name Xtreme Plus.
My engine is an O-320 with 110 plus hours on it. These batteries turn
the engine over very "smartly" only observed at temperatures above 60F.
At the beginning of the test, the current was 6.7 A and at the end at
5.6 A . This decline is partly explained by the voltage decline as well
as filament resistance decrease with temperature in the lamp.
These results are consistent with the specification sheet provided for
the Xtreme Plus batteries which predicts a two hour endurance at 6A.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
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Subject: | Garmin 430W Install Manual |
The service I get from this free list pales in comparison.
Im humbled by all the great efforts by folks on this list.
Glad to help and thanks for the kind words.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 6440
Auto Parts
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
<sales@6440autoparts.com>
Mike thanks for your efforts of putting these on your website.
As
far as I can tell you are the only one that offers this service for
free.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
Atlanta)"
> <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
>
> Enjoy,
> http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/downloads.htm
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:04 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
>
> Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
>
> Well Im trying to get it and Ill post it for all.
> I cant even spell Garmen.
> Send it to me.
> Mike
> mstewartga@yahoo.com or mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Bill
> Denton
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:55 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
>
> <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> Hi, Group...
>
> There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
>
> I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced
> because
> the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda
big.
>
> Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
>
> I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I
> don't
> want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't
want
> to
> jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me
with
> stuff.
>
> Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups
benefit...
>
> Thank you!
>
> Bill Denton
> bdenton@bdenton.com
>
>
>
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Subject: | Garmin 430W Install Manual |
Bill, Mike, thank you.
Rumen
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_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta); Date:
11:03 AM 3/1/2007 -0500)
________________________________________________________________
<mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
Well Im trying to get it and Ill post it for all.
I cant even spell Garmen.
Send it to me.
Mike
mstewartga@yahoo.com or mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Denton
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430W Install Manual
<bdenton@bdenton.com>
Hi, Group...
There seems to be a lot of interest in the 430W Install Manual.
I emailed it to everyone who asked, but a lot of the emails bounced
because
the manual exceeded the recipients mailbox size limits. It is kinda big.
Unfortunately, I have neither the software nor the time to "split" it.
I considered putting it up somewhere so it could be downloaded, but I
don't
want Garmin coming after me for a copyright violation, and I don't want
to
jeopardize my relationship with my "guy" at Garmin who supplies me with
stuff.
Of course, if someone else posted it somewhere for the groups benefit...
Thank you!
Bill Denton
bdenton@bdenton.com
--
3:16 PM
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Subject: | Switch drilling template |
Hi all,
Anyone can direct me to a drilling drawing or template I could print for
a buddy to install his Otto T7 15/32 switches ?
I remember seeing such a drawing, but can't remember where.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Thanks you all for the clarification
Larry
Do not archive
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 12:08 PM 3/1/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Doug for clarification!
>> Sam Marlow
>>
>> Doug Windhorn wrote:
>>> <N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>> I'll take a stab at attempting to clarify this. It makes sense to
>>> run all ground wires to a single ground point, including the avionics.
>>> What I believe Bob is saying is that common ground point for the
>>> avionics may be established near the avionics, then a single wire
>>> connects the avionics ground point to the "forest of tabs" on the
>>> firewall.
>>>
>>> In effect, this method uses the same ground point and the circuitry
>>> is virtually identical from a current flow standpoint. It precludes
>>> the possibility of alternate feed paths for the ground current, and
>>> may, to some miniscule degree, reduce the possibility of
>>> electromagnetic crosstalk. The avionics to firewall ground wire
>>> needs to be large enough to handle the combined current demand of
>>> all of the avionics.
>>>
>>> I see plusses and minuses with the remote avionics ground point. On
>>> the plus side is that the amount of wires from the panel to the
>>> firewall is reduced making, possibly, for a cleaner wiring job,
>>> lower weight (minimally), and so on. On the minus side is that
>>> failure of the connection between the avionics ground and the
>>> firewall ground wipes out all of the avionics (but a good
>>> installation should preclude this from being a significant
>>> concern). It is a wash in my view, and therefore, neither
>>> arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the other. Weigh your
>>> concerns and use the system you feel most comfortable with.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Doug Windhorn
>
> Right on Doug. Thanks. The single-point failure issue
> is addressed by the notation you'll find on Figure Z-15
> illustrations for the panel ground bus where I show
> five separate, 20AWG wires to run from the panel ground
> bus down to the firewall ground.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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I have a decidedly small and low tech avionics system. A single radio
(ICOM A200) a single transponder (Colllins) and a single intercom (PS
1000). So with that simple of a system, I'll probably just run the
ground wire from each component to the forest of tabs on the firewall.
If I'm reading your post right, that's perfectly acceptable, right?
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
BH #682
http://mybearhawk.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Windhorn
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
<N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
Larry,
I'll take a stab at attempting to clarify this. It makes sense to run
all
ground wires to a single ground point, including the avionics. What I
believe Bob is saying is that common ground point for the avionics may
be
established near the avionics, then a single wire connects the
avionics
ground point to the "forest of tabs" on the firewall.
In effect, this method uses the same ground point and the circuitry is
virtually identical from a current flow standpoint. It precludes the
possibility of alternate feed paths for the ground current, and may,
to some
miniscule degree, reduce the possibility of electromagnetic crosstalk.
The
avionics to firewall ground wire needs to be large enough to handle
the
combined current demand of all of the avionics.
I see plusses and minuses with the remote avionics ground point. On
the
plus side is that the amount of wires from the panel to the firewall
is
reduced making, possibly, for a cleaner wiring job, lower weight
(minimally), and so on. On the minus side is that failure of the
connection
between the avionics ground and the firewall ground wipes out all of
the
avionics (but a good installation should preclude this from being a
significant concern). It is a wash in my view, and therefore, neither
arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the other. Weigh your
concerns and
use the system you feel most comfortable with.
Hope this helps.
Doug Windhorn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 18:01
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> To quote you, chapter 18 page 11 of the connection (hope I am not
> violating your copy write)
> "The forest-of-ground-tabs technique described in Chapter 5 is
entirely
> suitable and convenient for most equipment in the electrical system.
> However, while it is electrically correct to wire all the panel
mounted
> equipment to the same ground block the total number of wires can be
> significant.
>
> Further, given that there are a number of small signal systems
vulnerable
> to noise concentrated on the panel, it makes sense to create
separate and
> co-located ground system for these potential victims. ..."
>
> Are you saying that the separate and co-located avionics ground
system is
> acceptable because the potential for noise from this design is
minimal,
> and the advantage of not running many separate grounds from all the
> avionics to the ground bus outweighs the minimal noise potential.
>
> Can I then make the conclusion, that if the ground bus were near the
> avionics, running the wires a single bus would be minimally
superior?
>
> Larry Rosen
>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>>
>> At 11:32 AM 2/26/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>>
<sam@fr8dog.net>
>>>
>>> Do I need a separate ground for the Avionics, including the
phones. Or
>>> will the ganged firewall (cool side) ground block be satisfactory
for
>>> all my grounds? I think the audio panel (GMA 340) has a ground
block.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam Marlow
>>
>> See chapter on Grounds in the 'Connection and in
>> particular the suggested architectures illustrated
>> in Figure Z-15 in . . .
>>
>> http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11J.pdf
>>
>> The term "need" is not quantifiable. There are tens
>> of thousands of vehicles including airplanes where
>> various systems in power distribution and signal
>> handling are "grounded" willy-nilly without consideration
>> for the physics
>>
>> For every builder that touts a "need" there will be
>> a half dozen who cite observations based on their
>> own experiences that contradict the notion of "need".
>>
>> Bottom line is that there are reasons based in physics
>> that show now potential for noise and/or degraded operation
>> can be elevated by inattention to grounding. It's easy
>> to do but if you don't wish to do it, probability of
>> a PERCEIVED degradation of performance is low. HOWEVER
>> when a build comes on the list citing some anomalous or
>> noisy behavior, the first question that enters my mind
>> is, "How are your grounds architectured?".
>>
>> If things are stuck down to the airframe without regard
>> to practices and principles KNOWN to reduce risk, then
>> identifying and fixing the problem can be much harder.
>>
>> None of us can tell you that you NEED to do anything
>> but plenty of us who will sympathize with you should
>> some noise problem present itself at some time in the
>> future.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> ( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
>> ( what ever you do must be exercised )
>> ( EVERY day . . . )
>> ( R. L. Nuckolls III )
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Switch drilling template |
There's one on page 11-16 of Bob's book. It's Figure 11-12. That's
assuming the switches you mention are the same as the Carling switches
described in the book. The 15/32 diameter is the same.
Bill
> Anyone can direct me to a drilling drawing or template I could print for a
> buddy to install his Otto T7 15/32 switches ?
> I remember seeing such a drawing, but can't remember where.
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3/1/2006
Hello Fellow Listers, I am trying to identify an object on the bottom of the
fuselage of a Beech Sierra airplane. It is black plastic about the size of a
cigar box. Embossed on the bottom of the box is an arrow pointing forward
and the letters 3M.
It was described at one time as a GPS antenna, but that does not make much
sense to me. Why would a GPS antenna be on the bottom of the fuselage? I
also am not able to locate any antenna created by 3M.
Any good ideas? Many thanks.
OC -- The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand
knowledge.
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Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna? |
I have a similar looking box on my C-150. Mine is a 'loop' antenna for
an old ADF. Earl
bakerocb@cox.net wrote:
>
>
> Hello Fellow Listers, I am trying to identify an object on the bottom
> of the fuselage of a Beech Sierra airplane. It is black plastic about
> the size of a cigar box. Embossed on the bottom of the box is an arrow
> pointing forward and the letters 3M.
>
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Eric,
Certainly a way that I could feel comfortable with (and the way I did
mine).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Newton
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, 01 March, 2007 16:31
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
I have a decidedly small and low tech avionics system. A single radio
(ICOM A200) a single transponder (Colllins) and a single intercom (PS
1000). So with that simple of a system, I'll probably just run the
ground wire from each component to the forest of tabs on the firewall.
If I'm reading your post right, that's perfectly acceptable, right?
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
BH #682
http://mybearhawk.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Windhorn
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
<N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
Larry,
I'll take a stab at attempting to clarify this. It makes sense to
run all
ground wires to a single ground point, including the avionics. What
I
believe Bob is saying is that common ground point for the avionics
may be
established near the avionics, then a single wire connects the
avionics
ground point to the "forest of tabs" on the firewall.
In effect, this method uses the same ground point and the circuitry
is
virtually identical from a current flow standpoint. It precludes the
possibility of alternate feed paths for the ground current, and may,
to some
miniscule degree, reduce the possibility of electromagnetic
crosstalk. The
avionics to firewall ground wire needs to be large enough to handle
the
combined current demand of all of the avionics.
I see plusses and minuses with the remote avionics ground point. On
the
plus side is that the amount of wires from the panel to the firewall
is
reduced making, possibly, for a cleaner wiring job, lower weight
(minimally), and so on. On the minus side is that failure of the
connection
between the avionics ground and the firewall ground wipes out all of
the
avionics (but a good installation should preclude this from being a
significant concern). It is a wash in my view, and therefore,
neither
arrangement is necessarily "superior" to the other. Weigh your
concerns and
use the system you feel most comfortable with.
Hope this helps.
Doug Windhorn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 18:01
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 2 Grounds
> <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> To quote you, chapter 18 page 11 of the connection (hope I am not
> violating your copy write)
> "The forest-of-ground-tabs technique described in Chapter 5 is
entirely
> suitable and convenient for most equipment in the electrical
system.
> However, while it is electrically correct to wire all the panel
mounted
> equipment to the same ground block the total number of wires can
be
> significant.
>
> Further, given that there are a number of small signal systems
vulnerable
> to noise concentrated on the panel, it makes sense to create
separate and
> co-located ground system for these potential victims. ..."
>
> Are you saying that the separate and co-located avionics ground
system is
> acceptable because the potential for noise from this design is
minimal,
> and the advantage of not running many separate grounds from all
the
> avionics to the ground bus outweighs the minimal noise potential.
>
> Can I then make the conclusion, that if the ground bus were near
the
> avionics, running the wires a single bus would be minimally
superior?
>
> Larry Rosen
>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
III"
>> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>>
>> At 11:32 AM 2/26/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>>
<sam@fr8dog.net>
>>>
>>> Do I need a separate ground for the Avionics, including the
phones. Or
>>> will the ganged firewall (cool side) ground block be
satisfactory for
>>> all my grounds? I think the audio panel (GMA 340) has a ground
block.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam Marlow
>>
>> See chapter on Grounds in the 'Connection and in
>> particular the suggested architectures illustrated
>> in Figure Z-15 in . . .
>>
>> http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11J.pdf
>>
>> The term "need" is not quantifiable. There are tens
>> of thousands of vehicles including airplanes where
>> various systems in power distribution and signal
>> handling are "grounded" willy-nilly without consideration
>> for the physics
>>
>> For every builder that touts a "need" there will be
>> a half dozen who cite observations based on their
>> own experiences that contradict the notion of "need".
>>
>> Bottom line is that there are reasons based in physics
>> that show now potential for noise and/or degraded operation
>> can be elevated by inattention to grounding. It's easy
>> to do but if you don't wish to do it, probability of
>> a PERCEIVED degradation of performance is low. HOWEVER
>> when a build comes on the list citing some anomalous or
>> noisy behavior, the first question that enters my mind
>> is, "How are your grounds architectured?".
>>
>> If things are stuck down to the airframe without regard
>> to practices and principles KNOWN to reduce risk, then
>> identifying and fixing the problem can be much harder.
>>
>> None of us can tell you that you NEED to do anything
>> but plenty of us who will sympathize with you should
>> some noise problem present itself at some time in the
>> future.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> ( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
>> ( what ever you do must be exercised )
>> ( EVERY day . . . )
>> ( R. L. Nuckolls III )
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
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could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
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to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* AeroElectric-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
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Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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