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1. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Rodney Dunham)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: RF noise from EFIS (N395V)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Chuck Jensen)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: wiring diagram benefits (Ernest Christley)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: RF noise from EFIS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Frank Stringham)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 08:22 AM - Re: Popped CB ()
11. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Mike)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: Popped CB (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (B Tomm)
14. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Brett Ferrell)
15. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Frank Stringham)
16. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (B Tomm)
17. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Brett Ferrell)
18. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Brett Ferrell)
19. 11:10 AM - Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (James H Nelson)
20. 12:38 PM - Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Frank Stringham)
21. 01:04 PM - Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (N395V)
22. 01:47 PM - Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Brett Ferrell)
23. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Mitchell Faatz)
24. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Matt Prather)
25. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Michel Creek)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: RF noise from EFIS (RURUNY@aol.com)
27. 07:58 PM - Re: Popped CB ()
28. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/ (Matt Reeves)
29. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: RF noise from EFIS (Mike)
30. 09:02 PM - Re: wiring diagram benefits? (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
31. 09:37 PM - Re: Batteries (TSaccio@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
Milt,
I see no mention by Bob of any particular personality! Your comments reflect
your own personal prejudice and have nothing to do with the comments of our
mentor and friend.
Let the "so many others" speak for themselves. Nobody elected you
spokesperson. If you have such a negative opinion of our moderator why not
just go away and play somewhere else where you DO like the moderator?
Grow up. Get a life. Get some discipline. That hot temper may get you killed
in that Rocket some day!
Rodney in Tennessee
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RF noise from EFIS
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:06:25 -0700
>
>
>
> > Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge as
> > to how noises should be kept inside the product
>
>
>You just can't resist a dig at Greg can you?
>
>Now I know why so many others think you are an asshole.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>--------
>Milt
>N395V
>F1 Rocket
>www.excaliburaviation.com
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>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100393#100393
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
Rodney,
You are correct, Bob did not name any particular personality in his comment..
> Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge
However, in context it can be presumed to be aimed at either me or Blue Mountain
(aka Greg). Given history I presumed it was aimed at Greg.
In either case the words "suggests a profound lack of knowledge" are an eloquent
way of saying you are stupid.
This I take as an insult. There are many ways in which Bob could have structured
his response to make his point, such as, "my experience suggests that a better
way to approach this problem would be to....." but he chose terms that I find
insulting no matter who they are aimed at.
You and others may find my language offensive but if you are going to insult someone
I see no need to hidei t with eloquence.
As far as my going away Bob can take care of that ith the push of a button. Short
of that you will have to suffer my occassional presence as there are many others
on this list whose valuable contributions I find useful.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
Eloquence coutns. Even when slapped in the face, I much prefer it with
a velvet glove!!
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:08 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RF noise from EFIS
Rodney,
You are correct, Bob did not name any particular personality in his
comment..
> Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge
However, in context it can be presumed to be aimed at either me or Blue
Mountain (aka Greg). Given history I presumed it was aimed at Greg.
In either case the words "suggests a profound lack of knowledge" are an
eloquent way of saying you are stupid.
This I take as an insult. There are many ways in which Bob could have
structured his response to make his point, such as, "my experience
suggests that a better way to approach this problem would be to....."
but he chose terms that I find insulting no matter who they are aimed
at.
You and others may find my language offensive but if you are going to
insult someone I see no need to hidei t with eloquence.
As far as my going away Bob can take care of that ith the push of a
button. Short of that you will have to suffer my occassional presence as
there are many others on this list whose valuable contributions I find
useful.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100438#100438
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
At 07:06 PM 3/13/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> > Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge as
> > to how noises should be kept inside the product
>
>
>You just can't resist a dig at Greg can you?
I can't resist a dig at poor science and equally
poor teaching. Read my most earnest attempts to
engage Greg in lucid, useful dialog at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/richter/richter.html
This exchange took place AFTER he took a whack at
the AeroElectric Connection when he said, "I've
seen so much truly atrocious work, much of it per
Bob's book". But when asked to point out any
writing in the 'Connection so poorly written as
to induce one to do atrocious work, he was silent.
>Now I know why so many others think you are an asshole.
This isn't about me and Greg, it's about doing the
best we know how to do for a price that a customer
is happy to have paid. Products offered from the
BMA website fall demonstrably short of those goals.
I kept my assessments to myself for years but Greg
chose to open the door with no prompting from me.
He then demonstrated a lack of ability and/or
willingness to engage in good critical review.
I can't help what people think when they're offering
opinions based upon a lack of knowledge and understanding.
I'll invite you to hang around the list for awhile
and gather enough data about me and what the List is
about toward the goal of formulating your own, informed
opinion.
Bob . . .
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( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
( what ever you do must be exercised )
( EVERY day . . . )
( R. L. Nuckolls III )
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| Subject: | Re: re: wiring diagram benefits |
Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com wrote:
> I am not terribly persuaded by arguments of some perceived future
> value to future buyers of my plane. First, Im not sure I buy the
> argument that my plane will be worth less. The phrase "Comprehensive
> wiring diagrams available" doesnt seem to show up much in adds for
> experimentals. And for those buyers that have the desire/need to know
> my electrical system, I still think the schematic and good labelling
> practices I have adhered to, along with manufacturers' documentation
> provide a solid basis for diagnosing and resolving problems.
>
> Okay, I can already see the aero-electric masses collectively shaking
> their heads back and forth at me. Nomex flame suit donned. Fire away.
> Concrete examples of how your wiring diagrams saved the day, and
> conversely, how my annotated Z-13/8 schematic and comprehensive
> component and wire labeling are woefully inadequate will be
> enthusiastically received.
>
No need for flamesuits, Erich. If your documentation does it for you,
more power to you. I seriously doubt most buyers would want to see a
wiring diagram any more than they'd want to see the plans the plane was
built from. The diagram is just a tool, not a holy document. But just
as I can drive a screw with a hammer, it 'nice' to have a screwdriver
for the job.
--
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----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta Builder |
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
Went back a few postings and found this . . .
>Trying to figure out a problem I'm running into where an EFIS screen seems
>to be putting RF noise into my radio.
>The noise seems "small" -- as in it can't be heard if there's a strong
>signal being received, but can be heard if there's no transmission or as
>background while receiving poor signal. It never breaks the squelch on
>the radio at all, so it can only be heard if I pull the squelch button on
>my SL-40.
When you say "small" . . . do you think it likely that you'll
notice it in flight with wind and engine noises? I know this
is a VERY subjective assessment. But I've worked with dozens of
builders and airplane owners who struggled with noises heard
in the quiet of the shop that would have been unnoticed in the air.
I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't endeavor to know how
the noise is happening and perhaps develop an approach to making
it go away . . . but noise management is a give/take proposition
and you MIGHT be spending a lot of $time$ on something that doesn't
need fixing.
>noise goes away if antenna is disconnected, in which case all I can hear
>is normal radio static.
Good data . . . it's radiated noise coming in through the antenna.
>noise can be heard if rubber ducky antenna is connected instead of the
>Comant antenna (so I'm not sure it's my real antenna installation at issue
>here, but could be?) Due to the setup I have, I can hook this antenna
>right behind the radio, or at the end of the coax run.. didn't notice any
>difference between the two.
Do you have a hand-held? Hand held radios with a rubber-duck
or even short "probe" antennas of a couple inches long are helpful
"sniffers". In the lab, I have access to a spectrum analyzer. It's
a receiver that plots an amplitude vs. frequency display on a 'scope
screen. I can attach a small probe to the end of a coax and poke
around the noisy electro-whizzy to find where the noise is coming
out.
>Tried Radio Shack ferrite choke at various locations and it didn't seem to
>do anything.
The snap-on ferrites are never useful for conducted noise
and only effective starting at about 100 MHz and going up.
I've never seed a problem at comm frequencies fixed with
a snap-on ferrite. I have seen useful applications of ferrites
at UHF frequencies . . . but in every case, these situations
would have been better addressed INSIDE the electro-whizzy
as part of the original design.
>Tried some RS in-line choke (in-line with radio +, as well as EFIS + and
>ground) which also didn't do anything either.
>coax doesn't run close to the EFIS screen, and for the most part, it's not
>close to other wires.
>I have a 2-screen setup and both (and either) produce this noise...
Okay, you need to "sniff". Take a coax from the back of
your comm radio (or a handheld) and terminate the loose
end with one of these:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Sniffer_Probes.jpg
Poke around the openings and cables of the offending
device to see if you can deduce the exit point for the
noise. If you can't hear the noise with the suggested
probes try larger ones.
>Re AeroElectric-List RF noise.ems
>have not tried transmitting, so no idea what kind of impact it'd have (if
>any) on outgoing transmissions.. focused on reception at this point.
It's exceedingly remote that radiated noises get into
transmitted signals.
>again, since it doesn't break the squelch, it's not a big big issue, but
>it's annoying and would love to see it go away :)
Sure . . . let's do the sniffing and see if you can identify
the egress point. But let's not ignore the possibility that
this noise may not be worth running to ground.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
>
>This I take as an insult. There are many ways in which Bob could have
>structured his response to make his point, such as, "my experience
>suggests that a better way to approach this problem would be to....."
>but he chose terms that I find insulting no matter who they are aimed
>at.
Being insulted is a choice. When assessing words about me,
they can be sorted into two pots: (1) the words illustrate
facts which call for considered integration into my future
actions or (2) they're meaningless. In neither case are they
worthy of an emotional investment. I can be insulted only if
I allow it.
In the instance before us, there were no words about you
only about poor science, lack of understanding and poor
teaching based on those shortcomings. We all suffer from
lack of understanding to some degree on every topic. It's
incumbent upon good teachers to remedy the former before
attempting to do the later.
Bob . . .
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Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first glance it
looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in the panel.
Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work with? Is
the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
At 09:33 AM 3/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Rodney,
>
>You are correct, Bob did not name any particular personality in his
>comment..
>
>
> > Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge
>
>
>However, in context it can be presumed to be aimed at either me or Blue
>Mountain (aka Greg). Given history I presumed it was aimed at Greg.
>
>In either case the words "suggests a profound lack of knowledge" are an
>eloquent way of saying you are stupid.
No, ignorant. Ignorance can be remedied by the civilized
discourse between capable teachers and willing students.
In this instance, Greg has yet to demonstrate a membership
in either group.
>As far as my going away Bob can take care of that with the push of a
>button. Short of that you will have to suffer my occassional presence as
>there are many others on this list whose valuable contributions I find
>useful.
I'm sorry that you don't find value in my offerings.
This IS disheartening for a teacher to hear. If you
perceive shortcomings in either the science or practice
I have to offer, I'd be pleased to address those concerns.
Nobody wants you to go away. Everybody wants our $time$
spent here on the List to yield a good return on the
investment.
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------
( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
( what ever you do must be exercised )
( EVERY day . . . )
( R. L. Nuckolls III )
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Bob,
The CB popped when I released the starter contactor (switch with key).
Master was on BAT & ALT. I tried starting with just BAT & it did not
pop. It did not pop when I switched to Alt after starting with Bat
only.
I noticed this time I'm not getting a charge from Alt (verified master
switch on Alt) at 2400RPM.
I overlooked the diode on the starter contactor so, no, I do not have
one. Maybe that's the problem???
Thanks
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Popped CB
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:45 AM 3/12/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I started my 912ULS for the first time. Ran like a charm. However, at
>both starts the alt cb popped. I used the Z16 diagram. Obviously I
>have "crossed wires" some place--any ideas?
When did the breaker pop? As soon as you pushed the starter button?
When you released the starter button? Do you have a diode across the
coil of your starter contactor? Did you have the alternator
turned ON while cranking or did you turn it on after the engine was
running?
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------
( IF one aspires to be "world class", )
( what ever you do must be exercised )
( EVERY day . . . )
( R. L. Nuckolls III )
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
I totally agree with Bob. My experience with BMA and the folks there
have been the worst for me as compared to ALL of the other companies I
deal with (to many to list). Let's summarize, BMA produces products
that at face value looks cool and if it worked as advertised would be a
good product. But when you dig into the finer points of BMA products
such as: stability, installation, customer service, ergonomics, builder
philosophy, function, and price they all fall short as compared to
almost ALL the others.
I work in the field with builders of experimental homebuilt airplanes.
I spent seven years in an avionics shop, three years on a military R&D
project, and 30 years total aircraft maintenance. I am not very
polished in my delivery of words when it comes to basic avionics. I
express my experience and you take it for what its worth.
Here in Arizona we have a large group of builders who are actively
building. We do not have any real profession support for avionics
available here, so we get by with the local knowledge and experience of
all the engineers and techs. here and of course Lectric Bob. So far
we've had many successes and few failures.
Of the 35+ airplanes under construction (not flying yet) that I have
worked on in the past 365 days (this past year). I have seen my share
of BMA products (including my own). After dealing with BMA too many
times with problems I don't even call them any more. I can say that I
have over 12 saves this past year regarding folks purchasing BMA stuff.
Those of you who have purchased BMA and managed to get it to work to an
acceptable level that's great. I would just like to say there are a
whole host of products out there that perform much better.
Mike Larkin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: RF noise from EFIS
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:06 PM 3/13/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> > Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge as
> > to how noises should be kept inside the product
>
>
>You just can't resist a dig at Greg can you?
I can't resist a dig at poor science and equally
poor teaching. Read my most earnest attempts to
engage Greg in lucid, useful dialog at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/richter/richter.html
This exchange took place AFTER he took a whack at
the AeroElectric Connection when he said, "I've
seen so much truly atrocious work, much of it per
Bob's book". But when asked to point out any
writing in the 'Connection so poorly written as
to induce one to do atrocious work, he was silent.
>Now I know why so many others think you are an asshole.
This isn't about me and Greg, it's about doing the
best we know how to do for a price that a customer
is happy to have paid. Products offered from the
BMA website fall demonstrably short of those goals.
I kept my assessments to myself for years but Greg
chose to open the door with no prompting from me.
He then demonstrated a lack of ability and/or
willingness to engage in good critical review.
I can't help what people think when they're offering
opinions based upon a lack of knowledge and understanding.
I'll invite you to hang around the list for awhile
and gather enough data about me and what the List is
about toward the goal of formulating your own, informed
opinion.
Bob . . .
--
2/8/2007
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At 11:20 AM 3/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Bob,
>The CB popped when I released the starter contactor (switch with key).
>Master was on BAT & ALT. I tried starting with just BAT & it did not
>pop. It did not pop when I switched to Alt after starting with Bat
>only.
>
>I noticed this time I'm not getting a charge from Alt (verified master
>switch on Alt) at 2400RPM.
Hmmm . . . this needs troubleshooting. Has it worked
in the past?
>I overlooked the diode on the starter contactor so, no, I do not have
>one. Maybe that's the problem???
I'll bet on it. But in any case, starting with the alternator
off is a reasonable procedure too. However, your starter
switch will appreciate having the diode added.
Bob . . .
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I looked at this too, and talked to a local avionics shop. I liked the idea
of pre-made cables (not just harnesses) just plug them in and easy to
upgrade in the future (assuming they stay in business) but the down side is,
more weight, more cost and more connections to fail. I have come to
conclude that wiring harnesses are not too difficult to install (I may even
make my own) cost less, weigh less and just not going to save me enough time
on the electrical install. There is still a lot of wiring to do and one will
have to get competent at it and have the tools anyway.
Bevan
RV7A
Finish kit
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Stringham
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
http://www.approachfaststack.com/
--> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first glance it
looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in the panel.
Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work with? Is
the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
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I've installed the Pro G, and I love it. The company was great to work with,
and the documentation was good, and it has performed as expected in my
pre-flight testing. I should get in the air this spring, but so far I've got
no complaints, and I'm happy that I didn't have to make my harnesses (the
standard stuff plus transponder to EFIS, GPS to ELT, EFIS to Radios, etc.)
Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> Stringham
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> http://www.approachfaststack.com/
>
> --> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>
> Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
> Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first glance it
> looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in the panel.
>
> Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work with? Is
> the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
>
> Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Brett
What are the various instruments in your panel.....and why did you choose
them? Plus as I contemplate my decision to go with the fast satck are their
any install gotchas' I should be aware of?
TIA
Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>From: Brett Ferrell <bferrell@123mail.net>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> http://www.approachfaststack.com/
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:53:35 -0700
>
><bferrell@123mail.net>
>
>I've installed the Pro G, and I love it. The company was great to work
>with,
>and the documentation was good, and it has performed as expected in my
>pre-flight testing. I should get in the air this spring, but so far I've
>got
>no complaints, and I'm happy that I didn't have to make my harnesses (the
>standard stuff plus transponder to EFIS, GPS to ELT, EFIS to Radios, etc.)
>
>Brett
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> > Stringham
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> > http://www.approachfaststack.com/
> >
> > --> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
> > Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first glance
>it
> > looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in the
>panel.
> >
> > Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
>with? Is
> > the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
> >
> > Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
>month.
> > Intro*Terms
> >
>https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search
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Brett,
Did you get documentation with the HUB so that cables could be made from
scratch in the future, or do you always have to use their cables?
Bevan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Ferrell
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
http://www.approachfaststack.com/
--> <bferrell@123mail.net>
I've installed the Pro G, and I love it. The company was great to work
with, and the documentation was good, and it has performed as expected in my
pre-flight testing. I should get in the air this spring, but so far I've
got no complaints, and I'm happy that I didn't have to make my harnesses
(the standard stuff plus transponder to EFIS, GPS to ELT, EFIS to Radios,
etc.)
Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Frank Stringham
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> http://www.approachfaststack.com/
>
> --> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>
> Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
> Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first
> glance it looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in
the panel.
>
> Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
> with? Is the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
>
> Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
month.
> Intro*Terms
> https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&
> search
> =mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117
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Frank
My equipment list is below. THe only gotcha I had was that I intended to
install a cell phone interface, and that is really a third comm to the Pro G
Hub, so I had to return the unit for a minor retrofit. They were the only ones
I knew of doing this kind of work when I got mine, and I'd decided that I'd had
enough fun running my power wiring and EFIS engine probe leads, that I didn't
need the experience of hooking up all of the avionics. Plus, they're so
expensive, I didn't want to risk damaging them. It's nice because I can
display the SL30 and 430 guidance data on the EFIS, my EFIS encoder goes to my
transponder, my cell and entertainment inputs go to my intercomm, my GPS feeds
my ELT, etc.
1) Blue Mountain EFIS/One - SL30 sends VOR CDI/GS info to E/1 for display
2) Blue Mountain EFIS/Sport (planned) - same SL30 interconnect
3) Garmin GTX-327 - Transonder gets gray code altitude data from E/1
4) Artex G406 - 3 mode ELT with GPS position broadcast, accepts data from
Garmin, GPS nav interface board not yet purchased
5) Garmin 430 - GPS nav/comm
6) SL30 - Nav/comm
7) Blue Mountain 2-axis autopilot
8) Sirius radio into to intercomm
9) PMA7000B - w/record function & playback
10) DVD/CD entertainment for back seats, w/intercomm interconnect and isolate
11) Aux entertainment (MP3/iPod) input
Brett
Quoting Frank Stringham <fstringham@hotmail.com>:
> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>
> Brett
>
> What are the various instruments in your panel.....and why did you choose
> them? Plus as I contemplate my decision to go with the fast satck are their
> any install gotchas' I should be aware of?
>
> TIA
>
> Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>
>
> >From: Brett Ferrell <bferrell@123mail.net>
> >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> > http://www.approachfaststack.com/
> >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:53:35 -0700
> >
> ><bferrell@123mail.net>
> >
> >I've installed the Pro G, and I love it. The company was great to work
> >with,
> >and the documentation was good, and it has performed as expected in my
> >pre-flight testing. I should get in the air this spring, but so far I've
> >got
> >no complaints, and I'm happy that I didn't have to make my harnesses (the
> >standard stuff plus transponder to EFIS, GPS to ELT, EFIS to Radios, etc.)
> >
> >Brett
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> > > Stringham
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
> > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> > > http://www.approachfaststack.com/
> > >
> > > --> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
> > > Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first glance
> >it
> > > looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in the
> >panel.
> > >
> > > Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
> >with? Is
> > > the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
> > >
> > > Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
> >month.
> > > Intro*Terms
> > >
> >https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search
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Bevan,
Well, I have the documentation from the component manufacturers, so I could
always make the cables myself in the future. But the misconception is that
their supplied Hub system is "just a harness". It's not, the hub's board
handles cross-connecting multiple components to the same device, and there's a
great deal of flexibility there. However, I found the docs from Fast STack to
be quite complete and direct, and I found them easy to work with on the phone.
Brett
Quoting B Tomm <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>:
>
> Brett,
>
> Did you get documentation with the HUB so that cables could be made from
> scratch in the future, or do you always have to use their cables?
>
> Bevan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett
> Ferrell
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> http://www.approachfaststack.com/
>
> --> <bferrell@123mail.net>
>
> I've installed the Pro G, and I love it. The company was great to work
> with, and the documentation was good, and it has performed as expected in my
> pre-flight testing. I should get in the air this spring, but so far I've
> got no complaints, and I'm happy that I didn't have to make my harnesses
> (the standard stuff plus transponder to EFIS, GPS to ELT, EFIS to Radios,
> etc.)
>
> Brett
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Frank Stringham
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Pro G Hub by
> > http://www.approachfaststack.com/
> >
> > --> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
> > Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first
> > glance it looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the insturments in
> the panel.
> >
> > Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
> > with? Is the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
> >
> > Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
> month.
> > Intro*Terms
> > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&
> > search
> > =mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Frank,
I have the Approach Pro G Hub in my "9". There is one thing you
need to do if considering using them for wiring. It simplifies the wires
but you must give them exactly what you are using and the options you
will be using. Brand name of wing levelers, EFIS (if you are using them
and what extras you will use from them) comm radios, Intercom and model
and if its stereo / monoral, transponders and any interfacing required
(such as mode "S", and if the altitude encoding is to be serial input or
gray code.) All these things are necessary to get a good cable interface
with their system. I'm not flying yet but I will be doing soon. So far
the checks seem to be ok.
Place you hub is a position behind your panel so you can get to
it and remove the plug in 's You have to be able to twist the locking
screws on the "D" sub B ends. It gets real busy so plan for the
transition of the cables thru the bulkheads and around to the units
desired. I cut several 2" holes to get the wiring where it needed to go.
Jim Nelson
www.websites.expercraft.com/jimn
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Jim, Brett and the rest of you good folks
I am running with this thread on the Vansairforce forum and some over there
seem to think that if the panel is simple VFR the hub is fine, but the more
complex the panel the less capable the hub would be. At first blush I
believe these are well meaning opinoins not based on facts. So are they
talking fact or opinion.
TIA
Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:08:10 -0400
>
>
>Hi Frank,
> I have the Approach Pro G Hub in my "9". There is one thing you
>need to do if considering using them for wiring. It simplifies the wires
>but you must give them exactly what you are using and the options you
>will be using. Brand name of wing levelers, EFIS (if you are using them
>and what extras you will use from them) comm radios, Intercom and model
>and if its stereo / monoral, transponders and any interfacing required
>(such as mode "S", and if the altitude encoding is to be serial input or
>gray code.) All these things are necessary to get a good cable interface
>with their system. I'm not flying yet but I will be doing soon. So far
>the checks seem to be ok.
> Place you hub is a position behind your panel so you can get to
>it and remove the plug in 's You have to be able to twist the locking
>screws on the "D" sub B ends. It gets real busy so plan for the
>transition of the cables thru the bulkheads and around to the units
>desired. I cut several 2" holes to get the wiring where it needed to go.
>
>
>Jim Nelson
>www.websites.expercraft.com/jimn
>
>
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Frank,
I considered faststack when I wired my panel but I enjoy doing the wiring myself
so I did not go that route and have no first hand knowledge relative to the
product. Below however are links to some discussions by others who have.
Fast Stack 1 (http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/talk/showthread.php?t=1121&highlight=Fast+Stack+Hub)
Fast Stach 2 (http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/talk/showthread.php?t=1252&highlight=Fast+Stack+Hub)
Fast Stack 3 (http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/talk/showthread.php?t=1261&highlight=Fast+Stack+Hub)
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100542#100542
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Frank,
Well, I consider my panel a fairly complex IFR system, so I would disagree, even
though I'm not flying. I haven't found something I wanted or needed that it
couldn't do, so I'm not sure where that opinion would come from to be honest.
Brett
Quoting Frank Stringham <fstringham@hotmail.com>:
> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>
> Jim, Brett and the rest of you good folks
>
> I am running with this thread on the Vansairforce forum and some over there
> seem to think that if the panel is simple VFR the hub is fine, but the more
> complex the panel the less capable the hub would be. At first blush I
> believe these are well meaning opinoins not based on facts. So are they
> talking fact or opinion.
>
> TIA
>
> Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>
>
> >From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
> >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pro G Hub by http://www.approachfaststack.com/
> >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:08:10 -0400
> >
> >
> >Hi Frank,
> > I have the Approach Pro G Hub in my "9". There is one thing you
> >need to do if considering using them for wiring. It simplifies the wires
> >but you must give them exactly what you are using and the options you
> >will be using. Brand name of wing levelers, EFIS (if you are using them
> >and what extras you will use from them) comm radios, Intercom and model
> >and if its stereo / monoral, transponders and any interfacing required
> >(such as mode "S", and if the altitude encoding is to be serial input or
> >gray code.) All these things are necessary to get a good cable interface
> >with their system. I'm not flying yet but I will be doing soon. So far
> >the checks seem to be ok.
> > Place you hub is a position behind your panel so you can get to
> >it and remove the plug in 's You have to be able to twist the locking
> >screws on the "D" sub B ends. It gets real busy so plan for the
> >transition of the cables thru the bulkheads and around to the units
> >desired. I cut several 2" holes to get the wiring where it needed to go.
> >
> >
> >Jim Nelson
> >www.websites.expercraft.com/jimn
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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I purchased the Pro-G Hub, and I must say the company has been EXCELLENT
to work with. I've emailed them quite a few times with questions about
wiring and interconnections and they have almost always returned my
email by the next day. I have a fairly complex panel (430, 330, STEC-30
autopilot, GPSS, Serial blind encoder, custom moving map, etc) and
having them as a resource for wiring questions was worth the additional
price I believe.
Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA
Frank Stringham wrote:
> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>
> Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
> Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first
> glance it looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the
> insturments in the panel.
>
> Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
> with? Is the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
>
> Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
> month. Intro*Terms
> https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117
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Has anyone actually gone through the process of changing/upgrading radios
that are installed with one of these systems? The website says they
support that, but I didn't see any details on how it's done, and how much
it costs to do so..
Regards,
Matt-
> <mitch@skybound.com>
>
> I purchased the Pro-G Hub, and I must say the company has been EXCELLENT
> to work with. I've emailed them quite a few times with questions about
> wiring and interconnections and they have almost always returned my
> email by the next day. I have a fairly complex panel (430, 330, STEC-30
> autopilot, GPSS, Serial blind encoder, custom moving map, etc) and
> having them as a resource for wiring questions was worth the additional
> price I believe.
>
> Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA
>
>
> Frank Stringham wrote:
>> <fstringham@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
>> Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first
>> glance it looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the
>> insturments in the panel.
>>
>> Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
>> with? Is the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
>>
>> Frank @ SGU RV7A "NDY"
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a
>> month. Intro*Terms
>> https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
Mike,
Thanks, that is good info. Would you be willing to comment on Advanced
Flight Systems, Dynon, and Grand Rapids? I'll be making panel decisions in
May so your experience could help me out a lot and I suspect I'm not alone.
I'll be mostly day and night VFR but want the option to do light IFR in the
future.
Thanks,
Mike Creek
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: RF noise from EFIS
I totally agree with Bob. My experience with BMA and the folks there
have been the worst for me as compared to ALL of the other companies I
deal with (to many to list). Let's summarize, BMA produces products
that at face value looks cool and if it worked as advertised would be a
good product. But when you dig into the finer points of BMA products
such as: stability, installation, customer service, ergonomics, builder
philosophy, function, and price they all fall short as compared to
almost ALL the others.
I work in the field with builders of experimental homebuilt airplanes.
I spent seven years in an avionics shop, three years on a military R&D
project, and 30 years total aircraft maintenance. I am not very
polished in my delivery of words when it comes to basic avionics. I
express my experience and you take it for what its worth.
Here in Arizona we have a large group of builders who are actively
building. We do not have any real profession support for avionics
available here, so we get by with the local knowledge and experience of
all the engineers and techs. here and of course Lectric Bob. So far
we've had many successes and few failures.
Of the 35+ airplanes under construction (not flying yet) that I have
worked on in the past 365 days (this past year). I have seen my share
of BMA products (including my own). After dealing with BMA too many
times with problems I don't even call them any more. I can say that I
have over 12 saves this past year regarding folks purchasing BMA stuff.
Those of you who have purchased BMA and managed to get it to work to an
acceptable level that's great. I would just like to say there are a
whole host of products out there that perform much better.
Mike Larkin
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: RF noise from EFIS
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 07:06 PM 3/13/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> > Which suggests a profound lack of knowledge as
> > to how noises should be kept inside the product
>
>
>You just can't resist a dig at Greg can you?
I can't resist a dig at poor science and equally
poor teaching. Read my most earnest attempts to
engage Greg in lucid, useful dialog at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/richter/richter.html
This exchange took place AFTER he took a whack at
the AeroElectric Connection when he said, "I've
seen so much truly atrocious work, much of it per
Bob's book". But when asked to point out any
writing in the 'Connection so poorly written as
to induce one to do atrocious work, he was silent.
>Now I know why so many others think you are an asshole.
This isn't about me and Greg, it's about doing the
best we know how to do for a price that a customer
is happy to have paid. Products offered from the
BMA website fall demonstrably short of those goals.
I kept my assessments to myself for years but Greg
chose to open the door with no prompting from me.
He then demonstrated a lack of ability and/or
willingness to engage in good critical review.
I can't help what people think when they're offering
opinions based upon a lack of knowledge and understanding.
I'll invite you to hang around the list for awhile
and gather enough data about me and what the List is
about toward the goal of formulating your own, informed
opinion.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
I've got a similar problem on my Zenith 701.
I wired the loudspeaker to the ICOM A200 as per its drawings mounted on the
front
of the passenger seat. With my Dynon D10A on full bright I hear no buzzing
noise...but when I dim
the Dynon using its built in dimming feature in the menu system, the buzz
gets louder and at a different
frequency. The more I dim the worse it is. I'm using single point ground.
No buzzing in headsets though, maybe the noise is going directly into the
A200 to speaker and not into the
403MC intercom to headsets. Whatever is used to dim your EFIS might be
making the noise. Something to play with...
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I'll add the diode.
Re the alternator not charging. This is a new engine with first starts
so there's no history--hasn't worked from the beginning.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Popped CB
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At 11:20 AM 3/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Bob,
>The CB popped when I released the starter contactor (switch with key).
>Master was on BAT & ALT. I tried starting with just BAT & it did not
>pop. It did not pop when I switched to Alt after starting with Bat
>only.
>
>I noticed this time I'm not getting a charge from Alt (verified master
>switch on Alt) at 2400RPM.
Hmmm . . . this needs troubleshooting. Has it worked
in the past?
>I overlooked the diode on the starter contactor so, no, I do not have
>one. Maybe that's the problem???
I'll bet on it. But in any case, starting with the alternator
off is a reasonable procedure too. However, your starter
switch will appreciate having the diode added.
Bob . . .
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I have the Pro G hub in my Lancair and have changed out radios a couple of times
and now have a nice Garmin stack with indicators, etc. My brother has the same
set up. The company has been sold a couple of years ago and the new company
has been just as awesome as the old company. The cables are top notch and
well labelled and easy to install - only taking a few seconds. You will have
some stragglers for power, etc, but they are well marked. No power goes through
the hub so you don't have to worry about FAA paperwork, etc.
I swear by it. My avionics guy inspected the cables and set up and said they
use the best quality connectors, wire, labels, etc. He was very impressed.
THE main reason I bought it is so I can change avionics whenever I want and not
have to rewire a whole panel.
My vote - LOVE it.
Matt Reeves
Rochester, NY
Matt Prather <mprather@spro.net> wrote:
Has anyone actually gone through the process of changing/upgrading radios
that are installed with one of these systems? The website says they
support that, but I didn't see any details on how it's done, and how much
it costs to do so..
Regards,
Matt-
>
>
> I purchased the Pro-G Hub, and I must say the company has been EXCELLENT
> to work with. I've emailed them quite a few times with questions about
> wiring and interconnections and they have almost always returned my
> email by the next day. I have a fairly complex panel (430, 330, STEC-30
> autopilot, GPSS, Serial blind encoder, custom moving map, etc) and
> having them as a resource for wiring questions was worth the additional
> price I believe.
>
> Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA
>
>
> Frank Stringham wrote:
>>
>>
>> Any experience in the group with the products (Pro G Hub) supplied by
>> Approach Fast Stack http://www.approachfaststack.com . At first
>> glance it looks like a real elegant way to interconnect the
>> insturments in the panel.
>>
>> Some of the questions I have include: 1. How is the company to work
>> with? Is the install as easy as they say! Any maintence issues?
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RF noise from EFIS |
Mike,
I have worked with all of the companies you have listed. I will try and
keep this brief. A quick note, I find that the best way to figure out
what you need it to start with the systems that have the functions you
want and then start sorting out the weaker ones. Do a pro / con list.
Advanced Flight Systems, they make very good products. I have only
worked with their AF-2002/AF-2500 engine monitor. It's a great product,
very stable, and most importantly the people are great to work with.
For example, one system we were installing had a power problem and the
AFS folks worked with us until we figured it out. They were ready to
send a new unit if that's what it took. Every time I speak with them
it's a great experience. I have seen their EFIS unit and chatted with
them about it but have not installed or flown behind one yet. If it is
like their other products it should be great.
Dynon, I was one of their first customers back in the D-10 days. The
company was small and the product very new. I had some minor problems
and they were very quick to fix address them. Since that time I have
worked on some installations with the newer units and find the product
much improved from version one. The people there are easy to work with
and know their product well. I have only experienced one failure and
that was a new unit that would not boot properly and Dynon repaired it
in record time.
Grand Rapids Technology, I have two GRT EIS systems myself and have
installed many of their ADC units on the crossbow Chelton EFIS systems.
Their stuff isn't the most glamorous, but it works very well and I have
not seen one fail yet. I have chatted with them many time at various
shows and for tech support and they are always very knowledgeable and
helpful. As far as the EFIS system goes, I have only flown behind one.
I have not personal installed one.
If you have more questions, email me at mlas@cox.net. I will be away
until March 18th.
Mike Larkin
-----Original Message-----
Mike,
Thanks, that is good info. Would you be willing to comment on Advanced
Flight Systems, Dynon, and Grand Rapids? I'll be making panel decisions
in
May so your experience could help me out a lot and I suspect I'm not
alone.
I'll be mostly day and night VFR but want the option to do light IFR in
the
future.
Thanks,
Mike Creek
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2/8/2007
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| Subject: | Re: wiring diagram benefits? |
Just do it, you'll be happy you did, and may hate yourself if not I will do
my first flight next week, and so far there have been 3 issues regarding
electrical stuff which were a piece of cake to track down and fix because I took
the trouble to do a 6 page diagram with Z11 as a base.
Here's the deal... I wired it last year, and if you think you'll remember all
those pathways about 2 years after first flight, you have a lot better memory
than myself.It was a mystery to me until I pulled out my handy-dandy
wirebook... Voila!!! No problema!!!
HTH,
Jerry Cochran
Time: 09:33:56 AM PST US
Subject: AeroElectric-List: wiring diagram benefits?
From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
I may be asking for a beating here, but exactly why should I create
detailed wiring diagrams? I wired my RV-7A myself following the Z-13/8
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List:Batteries |
Hi Bob, It's Tom Saccio here. I need some advice. I'm at the point where I
need to by some Batteries for the Seawind. I was thinking of two Odyssey
batteries. As you know I have an all electric System. Two alternators two
regulators. My panel has the Chelton sport system the MX200 and the Garmin 480.
If
you could give me some suggestions as to the type and size of the batteries I
would need, it would be greatly appreciated. There are two separate busses so
that if one alternator goes out, I can switch over to the other.
At some point if you could give me your travel itinerary we could make
arrangements to meet up.
Thanks,
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