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1. 05:59 AM - Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd (rd2@evenlink.com)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd (rd2@evenlink.com)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd (Matt Prather)
5. 10:22 AM - Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd (Kevin Horton)
6. 10:49 AM - Alterations to Z-12 (tx_jayhawk)
7. 12:23 PM - SoS Vibrator Recomendation ()
8. 12:37 PM - Re: Alterations to Z-12 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: SoS Vibrator Recomendation (Dave Saylor)
10. 07:25 PM - Re: SoS Vibrator Recomendation (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 07:56 PM - Re: SoS Vibrator Recomendation (Michel Creek)
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Subject: | Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd |
Thanks, Bob.
I used the same address (and brianl@lloyd.com, and brian-av@lloyd.com) -
all came back as "user unknown". Hm....
Rumen
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_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 09:37 PM
6/27/2007 -0600)
________________________________________________________________
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:08 PM 6/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone happen to have a current email address for Brian Lloyd?
>My message keeps coming back as undeliverable.
The last address I have for Brian is
brian-yak@lloyd.com
His last post to the List was September 2006.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd |
At 08:56 AM 6/28/2007 -0400, you wrote:
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>Thanks, Bob.
>I used the same address (and brianl@lloyd.com, and brian-av@lloyd.com) -
>all came back as "user unknown". Hm....
I had not noticed how long it has been since
we heard from Brian. Let us hope that this
apparent transition was not the result of unhappy
circumstances.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd |
The sudden and long silence was/is somewhat untypical. Hope everything is
alright.
Rumen
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_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 09:27 AM
6/28/2007 -0600)
________________________________________________________________
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 08:56 AM 6/28/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Thanks, Bob.
>I used the same address (and brianl@lloyd.com, and brian-av@lloyd.com) -
>all came back as "user unknown". Hm....
I had not noticed how long it has been since
we heard from Brian. Let us hope that this
apparent transition was not the result of unhappy
circumstances.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd |
I went here:
http://lloyd.com/~brianl/
And found brian-net@lloyd.com . Don't know if it will work any better..
Matt-
>
> The sudden and long silence was/is somewhat untypical. Hope everything is
> alright.
> Rumen
> do not archive
>
> _____________________Original message __________________________
> (received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 09:27 AM
> 6/28/2007 -0600)
> ________________________________________________________________
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:56 AM 6/28/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Thanks, Bob.
>>I used the same address (and brianl@lloyd.com, and brian-av@lloyd.com) -
>>all came back as "user unknown". Hm....
>
>
> I had not noticed how long it has been since
> we heard from Brian. Let us hope that this
> apparent transition was not the result of unhappy
> circumstances.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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Subject: | Re: OT- email for Brian Lloyd |
His absence was noted on the Yak List as well. Someone queried about him in mid-Feb
2007, and someone else responded: " He's fine. Newly married and building
a new home at an airpark near Sacramento. He is missed."
Kevin Horton
do not archive
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:41:53 -0400
rd2@evenlink.com wrote:
>
> The sudden and long silence was/is somewhat untypical. Hope everything is
> alright.
> Rumen
> do not archive
>
> _____________________Original message __________________________
> (received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 09:27 AM
> 6/28/2007 -0600)
> ________________________________________________________________
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:56 AM 6/28/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Thanks, Bob.
> >I used the same address (and brianl@lloyd.com, and brian-av@lloyd.com) -
> >all came back as "user unknown". Hm....
>
>
> I had not noticed how long it has been since
> we heard from Brian. Let us hope that this
> apparent transition was not the result of unhappy
> circumstances.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
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Subject: | Alterations to Z-12 |
I have essentially a Z-12 type setup with primary alternator, 20 A B&C standby
alt, and PC 680 battery.
Question is this...why would you not have the standby alternator powering the essential
bus directly as opposed to the main bus? I know the "juice"gets there
eventually, but it seems like a couple of extra hops that you may not want.
If you lose the main alt and can't power everything on the main anyway, why not
route the standby alt power direct to where you want it (essential bus)? Alternatively,
I suppose you could have some sort of switch/relay to change from
main to essential (from the standby).
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Scott
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121091#121091
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Subject: | SoS Vibrator Recomendation |
6/28/2007
Hello Mike, I suggest that joining the 21st century with a solid state
electronic starting vibrator --Unison SlickSTART SS1002 -- is the way to go.
http://www.unisonindustries.com/ourproducts/slickmagnetosandharnesses.html
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
Time: 11:11:00 AM PST US
From: "Michel Creek" <mwcreek@frontiernet.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: SoS Vibrator Recomendation
Are there any recommendations for purchase of a starting vibrator for Bendix
200 series mags? AC Spruce lists one for $258, but I'm wondering if there
are other options.
Thanks,
Mike Creek
Bearhawk
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Subject: | Re: Alterations to Z-12 |
At 10:48 AM 6/28/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I have essentially a Z-12 type setup with primary alternator, 20 A B&C
>standby alt, and PC 680 battery.
>
>Question is this...why would you not have the standby alternator powering
>the essential bus directly as opposed to the main bus? I know the
>"juice"gets there eventually, but it seems like a couple of extra hops
>that you may not want. If you lose the main alt and can't power
>everything on the main anyway, why not route the standby alt power direct
>to where you want it (essential bus)? Alternatively, I suppose you could
>have some sort of switch/relay to change from main to essential (from the
>standby).
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
Check the notes for Figure Z-12 in both the text of Appendix
Z and the chapter on system reliability. Z-12 is NOT INTENDED
for NEW DESIGN. It's an example of how the SD-20 can be ADDED
to an existing "spam can like" architecture.
If you're airplane is already flying with an an a-la C-172 system
installed and you're wanting to convert to an all electric
configuration with a minimum of chop-and-hack to the existing
system, then Z-12 should be considered. This is what's happening
to hundreds of TC aircraft that are receiving the benefits
of a vacuum pump driven, second alternator.
What makes you think you NEED 20A worth of backup power?
In what ways does Z-13/8 fall short of facilitating a comfortable
termination of flight should you happen (unlikely) to loose the
main alternator? Under what anticipated flight conditions would
you find that 8+ amps of continuous engine driven power + battery
reserves would not fill the bill for getting on the ground
comfortably? Before you jump to an answer, let us suppose that
there were NO practical solutions for a vacuum pump driven alternator.
If that component were not in our bag of tricks, how would it
alter the way you plan to use your airplane? The point of the
thought problem is to deduce whether 20A vs. 8A of backup
really drives safety issues . . . or is it just a cool, $1000,
8 pound solution to a problem that doesn't need to be solved
when $400 worth of hardware weighing 4 pounds will do just fine.
I'd judge that a VERY small fraction of the OBAM aircraft
community can really justify so large a second alternator.
Let's start with Z-13/8 and then figure out the lowest cost
of ownership, minimum parts count approach to meeting your
mission goals.
Bob . . .
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( "Physics is like sex: sure, it may )
( give some practical results, but )
( that's not why we do it." )
( )
( Richard P. Feynman )
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Subject: | SoS Vibrator Recomendation |
SlickStart works great. But, any suggestions for suppliers? Unison says
there are redesigning the 1001, discontiuing the 1002. The only source I
know of has a single 1002 in stock for $500. Sources say at least a year
before any more are available. ACS and Vans are hopelessly backordered with
no help in sight. Anyone know differently?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
bakerocb@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: SoS Vibrator Recomendation
6/28/2007
Hello Mike, I suggest that joining the 21st century with a solid state
electronic starting vibrator --Unison SlickSTART SS1002 -- is the way to go.
http://www.unisonindustries.com/ourproducts/slickmagnetosandharnesses.html
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
Time: 11:11:00 AM PST US
From: "Michel Creek" <mwcreek@frontiernet.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: SoS Vibrator Recomendation
Are there any recommendations for purchase of a starting vibrator for Bendix
200 series mags? AC Spruce lists one for $258, but I'm wondering if there
are other options.
Thanks,
Mike Creek
Bearhawk
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Subject: | Re: SoS Vibrator Recomendation |
At 11:07 AM 6/26/2007 -0700, you wrote:
><mwcreek@frontiernet.net>
>
>Are there any recommendations for purchase of a starting vibrator for Bendix
>200 series mags? AC Spruce lists one for $258, but I'm wondering if there
>are other options.
Mike, do you have an old non-working vibrator? I've always
wanted to get my hands on one of these for dissection.
It would be an interesting task to craft an experimental
clone of the electro-mechanical vibrator . . . or even
the solid state replacement. It would be helpful to do
some analysis of the energies and delivery philosophies.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | SoS Vibrator Recomendation |
Hi Bob,
I don't have one at this time as mine is a new (to this airplane)
installation. There is a 24 volt version for sale on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/bendix-starting-vibrator-pn-10-357487-242d_W0
QQitemZ300124485320QQihZ020QQcategoryZ26442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView
Item
with a starting bid of $24.95 and that is the least expensive one I could
find. If I run across a dead or really cheap one I'll pick it up and send
it to you.
Thanks to all who replied to the initial post. A group member contacted me
directly and I was able to buy a SlickStart that he wasn't using.
Regards,
Mike Creek
Bearhawk QB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: SoS Vibrator Recomendation
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 11:07 AM 6/26/2007 -0700, you wrote:
><mwcreek@frontiernet.net>
>
>Are there any recommendations for purchase of a starting vibrator for
Bendix
>200 series mags? AC Spruce lists one for $258, but I'm wondering if there
>are other options.
Mike, do you have an old non-working vibrator? I've always
wanted to get my hands on one of these for dissection.
It would be an interesting task to craft an experimental
clone of the electro-mechanical vibrator . . . or even
the solid state replacement. It would be helpful to do
some analysis of the energies and delivery philosophies.
Bob . . .
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