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1. 02:42 AM - Strobe lights temperature (Merlin)
2. 04:54 AM - multi detent 10k potentiometer? ()
3. 07:01 AM - Antenna Ground Plane (Charles Brame)
4. 10:10 AM - Re: Antenna Ground Plane (Robert Feldtman)
5. 10:21 AM - Automatic upper cowl flap (Carlos Trigo)
6. 10:22 AM - Automatic upper cowl flap (Carlos Trigo)
7. 10:50 AM - Re: Antenna Ground Plane (sarg314)
8. 11:01 AM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap ()
9. 11:06 AM - Re: Antenna Ground Plane (William Gill)
10. 01:01 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Doug Windhorn)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (B Tomm)
12. 02:26 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (LarryMcFarland)
13. 04:05 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Carlos Trigo)
14. 04:10 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Carlos Trigo)
15. 04:14 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Carlos Trigo)
16. 05:36 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (LarryMcFarland)
17. 05:37 PM - Re: Antenna Ground Plane (Ralph E. Capen)
18. 06:22 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Charlie England)
19. 06:41 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (John Coloccia)
20. 10:52 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Doug Windhorn)
21. 10:54 PM - Re: Automatic upper cowl flap (Doug Windhorn)
22. 11:31 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:39 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Strobe lights temperature |
Hello,
I have tested my Whelen strobe lights on the bench before installing
them,
and one of them (the tail one) is overheating (95=B0C !! after a couple
of
minutes), although working fine. But it smells like a hot electric
device. I
cannot get from Whelen whether it is normal or not...
I'd like to have the opinion of other users to compare with...
Thanks in advance,
Philippe
Brussels - Belgium
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Subject: | multi detent 10k potentiometer? |
7/1/2007
Hello cj, I recently drove a Chevrolet Malibu rental car that had a click
knob rheostat to control the fan speed on the air flow to the car interior.
The knob itself was probably too large for your use, but you might check
with the parts section of a local dealer to find out what the insides are.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
Time: 02:53:23 PM PST US
Subject: AeroElectric-List: multi detent 10k potentiometer?
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Ok smart guys...get ready for a dumb guy question!
What do you call a regular old 10k pot that has multiple detents on it?
I'm trying to find a single turn 10k pot that has a click feel, maybe 20
detents or so, to use with a PWM dimming system for an lcd inverter.
But I have no idea what to call it! so I can't look for it! I tried
and tried, but all I find is pots with center detents, or pots with a
switch at the end, but that's the only detent. I'm very frustrated, and
feeling very stupid. Can someone smarter than me help me out?
Btw, I do know what it's called when you cross a hippopotamus, an
elephant and a rhino. Hellifiknow!
Sorry. and thanks.
cj
#40410
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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Subject: | Antenna Ground Plane |
Should the antenna shield be connected to the ground plane or
isolated from it?
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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Subject: | Re: Antenna Ground Plane |
connected to it - I suggest the antenna handbook from ARRL as a reference.
bobf
Glastar
Amateur W5RF
On 7/1/07, Charles Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Should the antenna shield be connected to the ground plane or
> isolated from it?
>
> Charlie Brame
> RV-6A N11CB
> San Antonio
>
>
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Subject: | Automatic upper cowl flap |
Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of ventilation
exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine shutdown. Most
builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put side louvers that
look like shark guills.
I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them always
open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also because they can
have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside the cowling.
Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which covers
the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of this
list:
The ideal solution to manouver this flap would be to automatically open it
when the engine is turned off. How can it be done?
Carlos
RV-9A
P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
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Subject: | Automatic upper cowl flap |
Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of ventilation
exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine shutdown. Most
builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put side louvers that
look like shark guilds.
I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them always
open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also because they can
have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside the cowling.
Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which covers
the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of this
list:
The ideal solution to maneuver this flap would be to automatically open it
when the engine is turned off, which in this engine's case is to turn Off an
electrical switch.
How can it be done?
Carlos
RV-9A
P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
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Subject: | Re: Antenna Ground Plane |
Looking at my Comant CI-122 antenna, it looks as though they intend the
mounting screws to contact the fuselage electrically. I can find no
instructions in this regard on the Comant website (if any one knows of
any, please tell me). The gasket thay give you pretty much rules out
contact of the antenna's base with the skin of the plane, at least in
any reliable way. The screws seem to it.
I've mounted platenuts on my doubler plate and I'll see that it has
contact with the (bare) fuselage skin underneath, but I'd like to see
some more positive connection.
Does any one have any Comant documents that addresses mounting details
like this?
--
Tom S. , RV-6A
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Carlos,
Perhaps just making the oil cooler door to open in a manner that YOU can leave
it open for awhile after shutdown would be the simplest solution.
Ron Burnett--
For a relaxing vacation at the Gulf, rent our condo directly from us and
save!
See http://vrbo.com/126328
Do not archive
---- Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of ventilation
> exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine shutdown. Most
> builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put side louvers that
> look like shark guills.
> I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them always
> open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also because they can
> have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside the cowling.
> Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which covers
> the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
>
> Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of this
> list:
> The ideal solution to manouver this flap would be to automatically open it
> when the engine is turned off. How can it be done?
>
> Carlos
> RV-9A
>
> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Antenna Ground Plane |
Tom,
The screws are the only paths necessary. Also, 'Lectric Bob advises
discarding the Comant cork gasket and use RTV sealant.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sarg314
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Ground Plane
Looking at my Comant CI-122 antenna, it looks as though they intend the
mounting screws to contact the fuselage electrically. I can find no
instructions in this regard on the Comant website (if any one knows of
any, please tell me). The gasket thay give you pretty much rules out
contact of the antenna's base with the skin of the plane, at least in
any reliable way. The screws seem to it.
I've mounted platenuts on my doubler plate and I'll see that it has
contact with the (bare) fuselage skin underneath, but I'd like to see
some more positive connection.
Does any one have any Comant documents that addresses mounting details
like this?
--
Tom S. , RV-6A
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Ron,
Without knowing what you plan to use to open/close the flap, the electrical
seems like putting the cart before the horse.
The simplest system might have a device that incorporates a coil to
contract/extend a control rod. Arrange it is such a manner that the
unpowered position maintains the flap open, the energized position closes
the flap.
You also need to consider pressures inside/outside the cowling with the
design to determine whether the device would operate as expected under the
anticipated pressures if not using center pivoting on the flap.
I use a Sube and my solution will be the oil fill hatch, at least in the
near term.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <ronburnett@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, 01 July, 2007 11:00
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
>
> Carlos,
> Perhaps just making the oil cooler door to open in a manner that YOU can
> leave it open for awhile after shutdown would be the simplest solution.
> Ron Burnett--
> For a relaxing vacation at the Gulf, rent our condo directly from us and
> save!
> See http://vrbo.com/126328
> Do not archive
>
> ---- Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>>
>> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of ventilation
>> exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine shutdown. Most
>> builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put side louvers that
>> look like shark guills.
>> I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them
>> always
>> open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also because they
>> can
>> have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside the cowling.
>> Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which
>> covers
>> the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
>>
>> Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of this
>> list:
>> The ideal solution to manouver this flap would be to automatically open
>> it
>> when the engine is turned off. How can it be done?
>>
>> Carlos
>> RV-9A
>>
>> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Automatic upper cowl flap |
Why not just open the oil dip-stick door.
Bevan
RV7A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ronburnett@charter.net
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
Carlos,
Perhaps just making the oil cooler door to open in a manner that YOU can
leave it open for awhile after shutdown would be the simplest solution.
Ron Burnett--
For a relaxing vacation at the Gulf, rent our condo directly from us and
save!
See http://vrbo.com/126328
Do not archive
---- Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
> --> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>
> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of
> ventilation exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine
> shutdown. Most builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put
> side louvers that look like shark guills.
> I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them
> always open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also
> because they can have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside the
cowling.
> Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which
> covers the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
>
> Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of
> this
> list:
> The ideal solution to manouver this flap would be to automatically
> open it when the engine is turned off. How can it be done?
>
> Carlos
> RV-9A
>
> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Hi Carlos,
I'd not recommend you add ventilation for a Subaru engine. The heat
from this water-cooled engine never approaches
temps seen in an air cooled engine. I read 210 degrees on a very hot
day and by the time I've taxied back to the hangar, the temps settle
back to 180 degrees F.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Carlos Trigo wrote:
> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>
> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of
> ventilation exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine
> shutdown.
> Carlos
> RV-9A
>
> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Windhorn" <N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
>
> I use a Sube and my solution will be the oil fill hatch, at least in the
> near term.
>
> Doug
>
Doug
That was exactly my first thought.
How are you going to open and close the oil fill door from the cockpit?
Carlos
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
----- Original Message -----
From: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
>
> Why not just open the oil dip-stick door.
>
> Bevan
> RV7A
Bevan
That was exactly my first idea when I approached this subject, and I could
go that way.
However, what I'm looking for in this list is an automatic system to open
it, connected to the electrical switch that shuts down the engine.
Carlos
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Hi Larry
But that is still what the Eggenfellner factory recommends, especially when
you shut down the engine shortly after landing. They say every car has that
ventilation exit
Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Hi Carlos,
> I'd not recommend you add ventilation for a Subaru engine. The heat from
> this water-cooled engine never approaches
> temps seen in an air cooled engine. I read 210 degrees on a very hot day
> and by the time I've taxied back to the hangar, the temps settle back to
> 180 degrees F.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Carlos,
It may be that a car needs this for idling around town at stoplights and
for lugging up a hill in the summer, but with a good cooling
system in the plane, Subaru temps drop off from 180 to ambient rather
quickly. The heat from an air cooled engine and its exhaust pipes would
be much higher, but I'd get a recorded temperature reading in the upper
rear cowl before putting any work into a vent.
Realizing Eggenfellner is a purest and has good product, exceeding the
requirements is what they do best. Hard to argue that. I'd
still put a temp sensor there for run up and get a reading on peak temps
after shut down. We'd really be interested in what you find.
Larry McFarland
Carlos Trigo wrote:
> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>
> Hi Larry
>
> But that is still what the Eggenfellner factory recommends, especially
> when you shut down the engine shortly after landing. They say every
> car has that ventilation exit
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Subject: | Re: Antenna Ground Plane |
I just finished the double and installation of my CI 122.
Per responses from Bob Kuckolls and a few others....I cleaned the primer
away from where the screws contact each other (providing continuity from the
antenna base through to the airframe) and ran a drill through all of the
rivet holes prior to riveting. I'm gonna pitch the cork gasket and use some
non-acidic RTV as a sealant.
I've had numerous requests for the photos of my installation - zap me
direct....
Ralph Capen
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Ground Plane
>
> Looking at my Comant CI-122 antenna, it looks as though they intend the
> mounting screws to contact the fuselage electrically. I can find no
> instructions in this regard on the Comant website (if any one knows of
> any, please tell me). The gasket thay give you pretty much rules out
> contact of the antenna's base with the skin of the plane, at least in any
> reliable way. The screws seem to it.
>
> I've mounted platenuts on my doubler plate and I'll see that it has
> contact with the (bare) fuselage skin underneath, but I'd like to see some
> more positive connection.
>
> Does any one have any Comant documents that addresses mounting details
> like this?
>
> --
> Tom S. , RV-6A
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Carlos Trigo wrote:
> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>
> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of ventilation
> exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine shutdown. Most
> builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put side louvers that
> look like shark guills.
> I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them
> always open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also because
> they can have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside the cowling.
> Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which
> covers the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
>
> Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of this
> list:
> The ideal solution to manouver this flap would be to automatically open
> it when the engine is turned off. How can it be done?
>
> Carlos
> RV-9A
>
> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>
I didn't see what airframe the Sube is powering, but if the cowl is
typical you can just add holes in a flat area & add a hinged door under
them. If you limit the door's travel to less than 90 degrees, air
pressure during flight will push it closed. When you shut down, it will
drop open. It's been done by others to achieve what you're after. (KIS?)
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
EXACTLY my thoughts on the matter.
-John
www.ballofshame.com
Charlie England wrote:
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>>
>> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of
>> ventilation exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine
>> shutdown. Most builders just make a row of 3/4" holes, and others put
>> side louvers that look like shark guills.
>> I intend to make the upper row of holes, but don't want to let them
>> always open, due to the possibility of rain penetration and also
>> because they can have a bad influence in the cooling air flow inside
>> the cowling.
>> Therefore I thought of a small (some 15" x 1 1/2") moving flap, which
>> covers the holes, and is normally closed in flight.
>>
>> Now the electrical challenge, that I put here to the smart guys of
>> this list:
>> The ideal solution to manouver this flap would be to automatically
>> open it when the engine is turned off. How can it be done?
>>
>> Carlos
>> RV-9A
>>
>> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>>
> I didn't see what airframe the Sube is powering, but if the cowl is
> typical you can just add holes in a flat area & add a hinged door
> under them. If you limit the door's travel to less than 90 degrees,
> air pressure during flight will push it closed. When you shut down, it
> will drop open. It's been done by others to achieve what you're after.
> (KIS?)
>
> Charlie
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Carlos,
Not sure why one would be concerned about doing that from the cockpit. If I
wanted something to open right away when the engine was shut down, and
before I could exit the cockpit, a gravity flap would be my preference - it
should close once the cowling is pressurized (but that begs the question of
why it would be pressurized - doesn't that mean there is more airflow into
the cowling than wants to escape, i.e., drag?). If that didn't work, I
would next consider a simple push-pull mechanical lever that would push the
flap closed when pushed full forward, back to open. Last option would be an
electrical one.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Sent: Sunday, 01 July, 2007 15:58
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Windhorn" <N1DeltaWhiskey@comcast.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
>
>
>>
>> I use a Sube and my solution will be the oil fill hatch, at least in the
>> near term.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>
> Doug
>
> That was exactly my first thought. How are you going to open and close the
> oil fill door from the cockpit?
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Automatic upper cowl flap |
Larry,
Would generally agree with you, but in my case, there is a header tank in
the engine compartment and getting the heat out helps to keep from heat
soaking the fuel which could cause vapor lock problems. Eggenfelner's
reasoning may be similar even if there is no such tank. Carlos did not
mention that he had one, so assume it would be to limit heating of the fuel
in the fuel lines.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Sunday, 01 July, 2007 14:24
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automatic upper cowl flap
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Hi Carlos,
> I'd not recommend you add ventilation for a Subaru engine. The heat from
> this water-cooled engine never approaches
> temps seen in an air cooled engine. I read 210 degrees on a very hot day
> and by the time I've taxied back to the hangar, the temps settle back to
> 180 degrees F.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
>>
>> Since I'm using a Subaru engine, I need to have some kind of ventilation
>> exit on the upper cowling, to dissipate heat after engine shutdown.
>> Carlos
>> RV-9A
>>
>> P.S. - I know this is not a KIS solution...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.
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AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
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will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
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List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
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