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1. 06:40 AM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (C Smith)
2. 07:17 AM - Homemade Aviation Headset (Bill Bradburry)
3. 08:09 AM - Re: Homemade Aviation Headset (Ernest Christley)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (Henador Titzoff)
5. 09:05 AM - Re: Homemade Aviation Headset (Bob White)
6. 04:56 PM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 06:35 PM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (Carl Peters)
8. 08:36 PM - Re: Thermocouple wire connections (Deene Ogden)
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Subject: | GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. |
So This Pat guy writes a couple lines and we get this?
Talk about self obsessed. Dude, put the mirror down.
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
>Patrick Elliott
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
>
>After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts,
>and photos of the same in other 'virtual' locations, my
>interest was piqued.
Dear Pat:
You seem obsessed with me? Should I alert the authorities?
If any thing happens to me it's Patrick....
BTW, I saw the Tee-shirt and love it. Laughed my tail
off. The guy wore the t-shirt because people last year asked
if he was me. He must be hansom. lol. I get a cut of sales!
Dude, what would possess you to write this and waste every
one's time? What have I done to you? Relevance to aircraft
wiring is what? Are you just making trouble and instigating? I
not impressed. Shame on you. You are "piqued", really? You
are the curious one.
Bob and I had a riff in the past, but all has been well for
months since I learned my lesson; I may not be smart but its
obvious the solution is to not comment, reply or debate any
of Bob's post. I got it!
I realize now the debates where only about tearing people
down and discrediting them. I should have known better than
to get suckered into these endless urination matches. It
never was about clarifying or communication, it's baiting and
argument, ostensibly to ridicule or dis-credit. Just look at the
manifesto on Bob's web site. I suppose I could get my lawyer
since I did not give him permission, but why would any one
spend so much time twisting words around? Its just simple
DC wiring. I see the motive; its not about an honest debate.
Now I don't hold grudges. I could get mad at some of the
comments made towards me and others. One of my earlier
post on aeroelectric Bob let me know he has contempt for
engineers (or persons with engineering degrees)? "I would
never hire an engineer". It sounded like a personal problem.
That should have been a clue to bail.
Who knew going to college was a waste of time and made
you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the technical
edge. Other countries have more engineering grads and
they are beating us technically, but let live, forgive and
forget, right. People are dying in Iraq, bridge collapse....
This is suppose to be fun.
This is old news Patrick, you should move on. I like to learn,
share information and deal in facts and scientific data, not all
this baloney. You posted this, to just say to me, I don't like
you, is really immature baloney. Lets talk about airplanes for
gosh sakes.
>I found and read Bob's article on why "GMCjetpilot" was
>asked to leave and some other readings, which only caused
>me to dig deeper.
"Caused me to Dig deeper"? Stalker? Weird. You're referring
to "the manifesto"? That's also old news also.
Are you referring to the last blow up, when I said IR
alternators be turned on BEFORE engine start and the fur
ball round of posts that ensued, which was unpleasant? Yea
I said internally regulated alternators should be turned on
before start. What was I thinking?
After 5 calls to regulator manufactures and designers, plus
friends who damaged their alternator by turning them on/off
while spinning under load, I came to my conclusion. I should
have left my comments with out debate or defense. Go
ahead, flip the ALT on after start, off before shut-down under
load, its your alternator. (This applies to stock IR ND's, not
plane-power units, which are wired differently than stock.)
Again, in the future I'll not reply, respond or debate Bob. Its
not a contest.
If I make a comment or suggestion, they will stand alone.
People who understand or appreciate my post/input will
accept them it. Others that want to fight, argue, dismiss and
ridicule my comments. Feel free. You will tango alone.
One post per topic and given with out defense. If you want
the full meal deal explanation of my research, data and
supporting facts, write me. No mystery, ask, I don't bite.
I don't know why Bob and I can't talk? One of my first post,
Bob let me know he hates engineers. "I would never hire an
engineer." Who knew going to college was a waste of time
and makes you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the
technical edge. It sounded like a personal problem.
When Bob wrote the diatribe and posted it on his site, it
starts with a quote of mine (out of context). "No offense to
Bob, but OV relays are a step backwards." That comment is
true in my opinion. We have better options, Plane-Power,
either their internal or externally regulated alternators. If you
have a stock internally regulated alternator and if you feel
you must have extra OV protection....SELL IT and buy a
plane-power unit. It's common sense. If you really care about
the BEST, than buy the best, but don't BAND AID it.
However a good quality stock unit is very reliable and
unlikely to ever fail in a severe over voltage condition, but if
you need it because your panel is expensive/sensitive or
your operations are critical (IFR) than don't mess around
with OV relays.
BTW I just found out Plane-Power will have an external
voltage regulator soon. I currently suggest the Transpo
V1200, OV protected voltage regulator for external
regulation. I do not work for P-P, but I looked into getting into
the business of making alternators for homebuilts years ago.
I gave up when I say what plane-power was doing. The did it
right with proper rotation fans, high altitude brushes,
corrosion protection and in-house manufacture of critical
parts. (B&C is a fine company that Bob has had or has a
relationship with. I just think Plane-Power offers better value,
sorry only an opinion.)
Don't put a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches.
I take full responsibility for my words and have got mad at
Bob and gave him a few digs, but it takes two tango. I
stopped dancing long ago. I realize now the debates where
only about tearing people down and discrediting them. I
should have known better than to get suckered into these
endless urination matches. Nuff said.
Folks lighten up, this is fun stuff, learning and sharing. I
support & appreciate every ones effort 100%, except all the
waste of time arguing for argument sake.
>Patrick Elliott Not on GMCJetPilots friend list.
I'll have to go on without you on my friends list? Life will
go on but will miss you Patrick "piqued" Ellliottt. I'll get a
t-shirt so you can find me at the airshow and tell me off in
person. 27 years ago I started building my first kit plane,
folks where real nice than, helpful and supportive. It would
be nice to get back to those days.
Flame suit and asbestos underwear on.
Cheers
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Subject: | Homemade Aviation Headset |
I am considering trying to make a headset as is described in the link below:
http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story 070427102533266
I am confused by the fact that the transformer he suggests to use from Radio
Shack is 1000 ohm input/8 ohm output. The plane system is going to be
looking for a 600 ohm input???
What will this 1000 ohm transformer do to the plane system? Will it harm
it? Will the system output be louder or softer with the 1000 ohm than it
would have been with a 600 ohm transformer?
If I knew what I was doing here I would probably afraid to proceed. As it
is I am fearless....:>)
Thanks for your assistance.
Bill B
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Subject: | Re: Homemade Aviation Headset |
Bill Bradburry wrote:
>
> I am considering trying to make a headset as is described in the link below:
>
> http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story 070427102533266
>
> I am confused by the fact that the transformer he suggests to use from Radio
> Shack is 1000 ohm input/8 ohm output. The plane system is going to be
> looking for a 600 ohm input???
>
> What will this 1000 ohm transformer do to the plane system? Will it harm
> it? Will the system output be louder or softer with the 1000 ohm than it
> would have been with a 600 ohm transformer?
>
> If I knew what I was doing here I would probably afraid to proceed. As it
> is I am fearless....:>)
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
>
Bill, I just made a set and tested it in both my embryonic project and
it a fellow chapter member's Cherokee. I used Phillips ANR earplugs. I
used the 1/4" adapter supplied with the earbuds and got excellent audio
quality.
I used a $2.59 electret microphone from Radio Shack. In the Cherokee,
the voice quality was BETTER through the Radio Shack mic, wired directly
to a homemade 3/16" mic plug with no additional electronics, than
through my Telex Echelon headsets. I do not know what sort of
intercom he was using. I built one of RST-Engineering's intercoms for
my project. The Radio Shack mic was obviously loading down the input
circuit to the intercom (it draws amplifying power from the input
circuit). The voice input was fine with my homemade headset or the
Echelons if used individually, but dropped to a very low level if both
were plugged in simultaneously.
--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown
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Subject: | GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. |
Dear Mr. McQueen,
Apparently you make it a habit of getting suckered into these urination matches
you talk about below. Check out the YouTube rant to find out what kind of "debate"
you started there against the French and Canadians:
http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=p-9oZO7WJzA&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3Dp-9oZO7WJzA
They're talking about a nice song in French and Spanish, and you chime right in
with derrogatory, unrelated comment.
Cheers
Hen
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From:
owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50
PM
Subject: Re:
AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
I realize now the debates where only about tearing people
down and discrediting them. I should have known better than
to get
suckered into these endless urination matches. It
never was about
clarifying or communication, it's baiting and
argument, ostensibly to
ridicule or dis-credit.
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Subject: | Re: Homemade Aviation Headset |
On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:16:47 -0400
"Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I am considering trying to make a headset as is described in the link below:
>
> http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story 070427102533266
>
> I am confused by the fact that the transformer he suggests to use from Radio
> Shack is 1000 ohm input/8 ohm output. The plane system is going to be
> looking for a 600 ohm input???
>
> What will this 1000 ohm transformer do to the plane system? Will it harm
> it? Will the system output be louder or softer with the 1000 ohm than it
> would have been with a 600 ohm transformer?
>
> If I knew what I was doing here I would probably afraid to proceed. As it
> is I am fearless....:>)
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
> Bill B
Hi Bill,
The 1000 ohm transformer will not load a 600 ohm circuit quite as
much. In audio circuits, you need to match impedance to maximize power
transfer. If you don't need maximum power transfer, and you probably
don't, it should work just fine.
Bob W.
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Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
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Subject: | GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. |
At 09:41 AM 8/5/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>So This Pat guy writes a couple lines and we get this?
>Talk about self obsessed. Dude, put the mirror down.
>
>
>----------
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
>Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
>
> >Patrick Elliott
> >Subject: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
> >
> >After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts,
> >and photos of the same in other 'virtual' locations, my
> >interest was piqued.
>
>Dear Pat:
>
>You seem obsessed with me? Should I alert the authorities?
>If any thing happens to me it's Patrick....
<snip>
Gentlemen, this List should be for the posting, sifting
and assemblage of simple-ideas into repeatable experiments.
The IDEAS should be subject to intense scrutiny for the
purpose of gaining understanding and ultimately deciding
whether or not the idea is useful or even correct.
By carrying this thread beyond the simple notice
that someone was publicly advertising his/her
personal projections about another person does
not speak well of us. I'll suggest that we each
endeavor to evaluate things said of us under the
microscope of personal critical review. Nobody knows
you better than you. When evaluating something
said of you, it's either (1) true and worthy
of further consideration or (2) false and not
worthy of further consideration beyond a simple
defense. Hence, none of us needs to fall victim
to feelings of injury or insult.
When we make the conversations about people, there
is no value to be added anywhere, no repeatable
experiment to be identified except to demonstrate
what has already been shown: Some folks are
unwilling or incapable of entering into critical
thought without projecting their own vision
(usually negative) of others thus driving the
conversation out of the practical and into the personal.
Folks who speak the truth about you are teachers.
Those who do not have a dishonorable agenda or
a socio-pathological condition.
We should strive for accurate and factual in
defense against an conscious agenda for this is honorable
behavior. But to make fun of those who may not be able
to help themselves does not speak well of us.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. |
George,
Please don't get caught up in this drivel. Some of us appreciate your
long and thoughtful responses. After a year of reading these posts, I
notice you put a bit of time and effort into them. Beats the "check the
archives" that many write. It is up to the builder to read, further
research, learn, and decide on the matters brought forward. There will
always be differing opinions - just today read Greg Richter's booklet
and saw his lecture at Osh. There were some obvious differences in
aircraft electrical system design compared to the philosophies of Mr.
Nuckolls (what a wonderful teacher after spending a year perusing his
writings). It is up to ME as a newbie to decide which is best, more
accurate and will best fit my needs. Whether I end up agreeing with your
opinion on a topic matters not. But I do appreciate anyone who spends
the time and effort as you do. Thanks for your contributions and please
keep them up.
Carl
PS - My apologies to the group for furthering this thread, but things
were getting a little nasty. I know most of you share the fellowship
that usually pervades these posts and what I saw amongst RV'ers at Osh.
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Subject: | Re: Thermocouple wire connections |
Easy solution is to connect hat switch common to -+14v and each other hat
contact to each of the three relay board coil -+ connections respectively.
Then use the three way switch to select the desired relay common coil ground
connection to ground.
Deene Ogden
EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
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