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Sun 08/05/07


Total Messages Posted: 8



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:40 AM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (C Smith)
     2. 07:17 AM - Homemade Aviation Headset (Bill Bradburry)
     3. 08:09 AM - Re: Homemade Aviation Headset (Ernest Christley)
     4. 08:14 AM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (Henador Titzoff)
     5. 09:05 AM - Re: Homemade Aviation Headset (Bob White)
     6. 04:56 PM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     7. 06:35 PM - Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. (Carl Peters)
     8. 08:36 PM - Re: Thermocouple wire connections (Deene Ogden)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:40:49 AM PST US
    From: "C Smith" <pilot4profit@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
    So This Pat guy writes a couple lines and we get this? Talk about self obsessed. Dude, put the mirror down. _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. >Patrick Elliott >Subject: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. > >After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts, >and photos of the same in other 'virtual' locations, my >interest was piqued. Dear Pat: You seem obsessed with me? Should I alert the authorities? If any thing happens to me it's Patrick.... BTW, I saw the Tee-shirt and love it. Laughed my tail off. The guy wore the t-shirt because people last year asked if he was me. He must be hansom. lol. I get a cut of sales! Dude, what would possess you to write this and waste every one's time? What have I done to you? Relevance to aircraft wiring is what? Are you just making trouble and instigating? I not impressed. Shame on you. You are "piqued", really? You are the curious one. Bob and I had a riff in the past, but all has been well for months since I learned my lesson; I may not be smart but its obvious the solution is to not comment, reply or debate any of Bob's post. I got it! I realize now the debates where only about tearing people down and discrediting them. I should have known better than to get suckered into these endless urination matches. It never was about clarifying or communication, it's baiting and argument, ostensibly to ridicule or dis-credit. Just look at the manifesto on Bob's web site. I suppose I could get my lawyer since I did not give him permission, but why would any one spend so much time twisting words around? Its just simple DC wiring. I see the motive; its not about an honest debate. Now I don't hold grudges. I could get mad at some of the comments made towards me and others. One of my earlier post on aeroelectric Bob let me know he has contempt for engineers (or persons with engineering degrees)? "I would never hire an engineer". It sounded like a personal problem. That should have been a clue to bail. Who knew going to college was a waste of time and made you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the technical edge. Other countries have more engineering grads and they are beating us technically, but let live, forgive and forget, right. People are dying in Iraq, bridge collapse.... This is suppose to be fun. This is old news Patrick, you should move on. I like to learn, share information and deal in facts and scientific data, not all this baloney. You posted this, to just say to me, I don't like you, is really immature baloney. Lets talk about airplanes for gosh sakes. >I found and read Bob's article on why "GMCjetpilot" was >asked to leave and some other readings, which only caused >me to dig deeper. "Caused me to Dig deeper"? Stalker? Weird. You're referring to "the manifesto"? That's also old news also. Are you referring to the last blow up, when I said IR alternators be turned on BEFORE engine start and the fur ball round of posts that ensued, which was unpleasant? Yea I said internally regulated alternators should be turned on before start. What was I thinking? After 5 calls to regulator manufactures and designers, plus friends who damaged their alternator by turning them on/off while spinning under load, I came to my conclusion. I should have left my comments with out debate or defense. Go ahead, flip the ALT on after start, off before shut-down under load, its your alternator. (This applies to stock IR ND's, not plane-power units, which are wired differently than stock.) Again, in the future I'll not reply, respond or debate Bob. Its not a contest. If I make a comment or suggestion, they will stand alone. People who understand or appreciate my post/input will accept them it. Others that want to fight, argue, dismiss and ridicule my comments. Feel free. You will tango alone. One post per topic and given with out defense. If you want the full meal deal explanation of my research, data and supporting facts, write me. No mystery, ask, I don't bite. I don't know why Bob and I can't talk? One of my first post, Bob let me know he hates engineers. "I would never hire an engineer." Who knew going to college was a waste of time and makes you retarded. This is why the USA is losing the technical edge. It sounded like a personal problem. When Bob wrote the diatribe and posted it on his site, it starts with a quote of mine (out of context). "No offense to Bob, but OV relays are a step backwards." That comment is true in my opinion. We have better options, Plane-Power, either their internal or externally regulated alternators. If you have a stock internally regulated alternator and if you feel you must have extra OV protection....SELL IT and buy a plane-power unit. It's common sense. If you really care about the BEST, than buy the best, but don't BAND AID it. However a good quality stock unit is very reliable and unlikely to ever fail in a severe over voltage condition, but if you need it because your panel is expensive/sensitive or your operations are critical (IFR) than don't mess around with OV relays. BTW I just found out Plane-Power will have an external voltage regulator soon. I currently suggest the Transpo V1200, OV protected voltage regulator for external regulation. I do not work for P-P, but I looked into getting into the business of making alternators for homebuilts years ago. I gave up when I say what plane-power was doing. The did it right with proper rotation fans, high altitude brushes, corrosion protection and in-house manufacture of critical parts. (B&C is a fine company that Bob has had or has a relationship with. I just think Plane-Power offers better value, sorry only an opinion.) Don't put a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches. I take full responsibility for my words and have got mad at Bob and gave him a few digs, but it takes two tango. I stopped dancing long ago. I realize now the debates where only about tearing people down and discrediting them. I should have known better than to get suckered into these endless urination matches. Nuff said. Folks lighten up, this is fun stuff, learning and sharing. I support & appreciate every ones effort 100%, except all the waste of time arguing for argument sake. >Patrick Elliott Not on GMCJetPilots friend list. I'll have to go on without you on my friends list? Life will go on but will miss you Patrick "piqued" Ellliottt. I'll get a t-shirt so you can find me at the airshow and tell me off in person. 27 years ago I started building my first kit plane, folks where real nice than, helpful and supportive. It would be nice to get back to those days. Flame suit and asbestos underwear on. Cheers


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    Time: 07:17:15 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Homemade Aviation Headset
    I am considering trying to make a headset as is described in the link below: http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story 070427102533266 I am confused by the fact that the transformer he suggests to use from Radio Shack is 1000 ohm input/8 ohm output. The plane system is going to be looking for a 600 ohm input??? What will this 1000 ohm transformer do to the plane system? Will it harm it? Will the system output be louder or softer with the 1000 ohm than it would have been with a 600 ohm transformer? If I knew what I was doing here I would probably afraid to proceed. As it is I am fearless....:>) Thanks for your assistance. Bill B


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    Time: 08:09:12 AM PST US
    From: Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Homemade Aviation Headset
    Bill Bradburry wrote: > > I am considering trying to make a headset as is described in the link below: > > http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story 070427102533266 > > I am confused by the fact that the transformer he suggests to use from Radio > Shack is 1000 ohm input/8 ohm output. The plane system is going to be > looking for a 600 ohm input??? > > What will this 1000 ohm transformer do to the plane system? Will it harm > it? Will the system output be louder or softer with the 1000 ohm than it > would have been with a 600 ohm transformer? > > If I knew what I was doing here I would probably afraid to proceed. As it > is I am fearless....:>) > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Bill, I just made a set and tested it in both my embryonic project and it a fellow chapter member's Cherokee. I used Phillips ANR earplugs. I used the 1/4" adapter supplied with the earbuds and got excellent audio quality. I used a $2.59 electret microphone from Radio Shack. In the Cherokee, the voice quality was BETTER through the Radio Shack mic, wired directly to a homemade 3/16" mic plug with no additional electronics, than through my Telex Echelon headsets. I do not know what sort of intercom he was using. I built one of RST-Engineering's intercoms for my project. The Radio Shack mic was obviously loading down the input circuit to the intercom (it draws amplifying power from the input circuit). The voice input was fine with my homemade headset or the Echelons if used individually, but dropped to a very low level if both were plugged in simultaneously. -- "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'" --Unknown


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    Time: 08:14:24 AM PST US
    From: Henador Titzoff <henador_titzoff@yahoo.com>
    Subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
    Dear Mr. McQueen, Apparently you make it a habit of getting suckered into these urination matches you talk about below. Check out the YouTube rant to find out what kind of "debate" you started there against the French and Canadians: http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=p-9oZO7WJzA&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3Dp-9oZO7WJzA They're talking about a nice song in French and Spanish, and you chime right in with derrogatory, unrelated comment. Cheers Hen DO NOT ARCHIVE From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. I realize now the debates where only about tearing people down and discrediting them. I should have known better than to get suckered into these endless urination matches. It never was about clarifying or communication, it's baiting and argument, ostensibly to ridicule or dis-credit.


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    Time: 09:05:37 AM PST US
    From: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
    Subject: Re: Homemade Aviation Headset
    On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:16:47 -0400 "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I am considering trying to make a headset as is described in the link below: > > http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story 070427102533266 > > I am confused by the fact that the transformer he suggests to use from Radio > Shack is 1000 ohm input/8 ohm output. The plane system is going to be > looking for a 600 ohm input??? > > What will this 1000 ohm transformer do to the plane system? Will it harm > it? Will the system output be louder or softer with the 1000 ohm than it > would have been with a 600 ohm transformer? > > If I knew what I was doing here I would probably afraid to proceed. As it > is I am fearless....:>) > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Bill B Hi Bill, The 1000 ohm transformer will not load a 600 ohm circuit quite as much. In audio circuits, you need to match impedance to maximize power transfer. If you don't need maximum power transfer, and you probably don't, it should work just fine. Bob W. -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/


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    Time: 04:56:04 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
    Subject: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
    At 09:41 AM 8/5/2007 -0400, you wrote: >So This Pat guy writes a couple lines and we get this? >Talk about self obsessed. Dude, put the mirror down. > > >---------- >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:50 PM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. > > >Patrick Elliott > >Subject: AeroElectric-List: GMCjetpilot T-shirts.. > > > >After seeing multiple comments about these T shirts, > >and photos of the same in other 'virtual' locations, my > >interest was piqued. > >Dear Pat: > >You seem obsessed with me? Should I alert the authorities? >If any thing happens to me it's Patrick.... <snip> Gentlemen, this List should be for the posting, sifting and assemblage of simple-ideas into repeatable experiments. The IDEAS should be subject to intense scrutiny for the purpose of gaining understanding and ultimately deciding whether or not the idea is useful or even correct. By carrying this thread beyond the simple notice that someone was publicly advertising his/her personal projections about another person does not speak well of us. I'll suggest that we each endeavor to evaluate things said of us under the microscope of personal critical review. Nobody knows you better than you. When evaluating something said of you, it's either (1) true and worthy of further consideration or (2) false and not worthy of further consideration beyond a simple defense. Hence, none of us needs to fall victim to feelings of injury or insult. When we make the conversations about people, there is no value to be added anywhere, no repeatable experiment to be identified except to demonstrate what has already been shown: Some folks are unwilling or incapable of entering into critical thought without projecting their own vision (usually negative) of others thus driving the conversation out of the practical and into the personal. Folks who speak the truth about you are teachers. Those who do not have a dishonorable agenda or a socio-pathological condition. We should strive for accurate and factual in defense against an conscious agenda for this is honorable behavior. But to make fun of those who may not be able to help themselves does not speak well of us. Bob . . .


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    Time: 06:35:39 PM PST US
    From: Carl Peters <say.ahh1@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: GMCjetpilot T-shirts..
    George, Please don't get caught up in this drivel. Some of us appreciate your long and thoughtful responses. After a year of reading these posts, I notice you put a bit of time and effort into them. Beats the "check the archives" that many write. It is up to the builder to read, further research, learn, and decide on the matters brought forward. There will always be differing opinions - just today read Greg Richter's booklet and saw his lecture at Osh. There were some obvious differences in aircraft electrical system design compared to the philosophies of Mr. Nuckolls (what a wonderful teacher after spending a year perusing his writings). It is up to ME as a newbie to decide which is best, more accurate and will best fit my needs. Whether I end up agreeing with your opinion on a topic matters not. But I do appreciate anyone who spends the time and effort as you do. Thanks for your contributions and please keep them up. Carl PS - My apologies to the group for furthering this thread, but things were getting a little nasty. I know most of you share the fellowship that usually pervades these posts and what I saw amongst RV'ers at Osh.


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    Time: 08:36:03 PM PST US
    From: "Deene Ogden " <deene@austin.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple wire connections
    Easy solution is to connect hat switch common to -+14v and each other hat contact to each of the three relay board coil -+ connections respectively. Then use the three way switch to select the desired relay common coil ground connection to ground. Deene Ogden EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor




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