---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/14/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:17 AM - Re: D-Sub Pin Extraction (Eric Newton) 2. 06:12 AM - Speedy recovery to Bill Dube (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 3. 06:28 AM - Bill Dube Doing OK? (Sean Stephens) 4. 06:46 AM - Re: D-Sub Pin Extraction (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Bill Dube Doing OK? (George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI) 6. 07:14 AM - Re: Bill Dube Doing OK? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 11:28 AM - Re: D-Sub Pin Extraction (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 12:18 PM - Re: D-Sub Pin Extraction (Robert Feldtman) 9. 12:49 PM - XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Gilles Thesee) 10. 02:19 PM - Re: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Doug Gray) 11. 02:36 PM - Re: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Gilles Thesee) 12. 03:19 PM - Re: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Doug Gray) 13. 03:27 PM - Re: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Dick Fisher) 14. 03:49 PM - Re: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Gilles Thesee) 15. 04:01 PM - Re: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? (Gilles Thesee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:56 AM PST US From: "Eric Newton" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction The extraction tool that I have has a slot in it. See picture: The wire goes in the slot. Got it from B&C http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#DSE-1 Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS BH #682- Mississippi Mudbug BEARHAWK BUILDER'S MANUALS http://mybearhawk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction > > I need to reverse the direction of my autopilot roll servo. This involves > swapping two wires that go into the servo D-Sub connector. > > I have extractred pins from D-Sub connectors before, but I always had a > free end of the wire attached to the pin to thread through the groove in > the extraction tool. > > This may be a stupid question, but how do I get the extraction tool around > the wire when I don't have a free end to the wire? This would be easy if > I had a free end to thread into the extraction tool groove, but a free end > isn't available unless I cut the wire!? > > I sure don't want to cut the two wires, swap and then solder working in > the belly of my fuselage! > > Am I missing something here? > > HELP! > > Paul Siegel > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:34 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Speedy recovery to Bill Dube For those that didn't hear... http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33853/113/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:08 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: AeroElectric-List: Bill Dube Doing OK? I hope Bill is ok? -Sean ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." If you are using the plastic removal tool, it should have a slit in the side to wrap around the wire allowing you to push the tool into the back side of the connector, then a slight tug on the installed wire and the pin is free. I have the metal one and it is very easy to use and you do not have to worry about the plastic breaking as easy, also per another builders recommendation I got a wiring spoon, it is used for adding and taking out wires in a bundle, very good tool to have when changing any wire bundles. I purchased all of the colors of extraction, insertion tools, and the spoon from Stein and am very happy with how they work. http://www.steinair.com/tools.htm Dan N289DT RV10E -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of psiegel@fuse.net Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction I need to reverse the direction of my autopilot roll servo. This involves swapping two wires that go into the servo D-Sub connector. I have extractred pins from D-Sub connectors before, but I always had a free end of the wire attached to the pin to thread through the groove in the extraction tool. This may be a stupid question, but how do I get the extraction tool around the wire when I don't have a free end to the wire? This would be easy if I had a free end to thread into the extraction tool groove, but a free end isn't available unless I cut the wire!? I sure don't want to cut the two wires, swap and then solder working in the belly of my fuselage! Am I missing something here? HELP! Paul Siegel ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Bill Dube Doing OK? From: "George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI" Being stuck behind a completely irrational firewall, I can't see any of these reports. What's the story? neal ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:31 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Bill Dube Doing OK? Electric motorcycle inventor crashes at Wired NextFest Trendwatch By Humphrey Cheung Thursday, September 13, 2007 16:49 Los Angeles (CA) - The inventor of the "KillaCycle" electric motorcycle almost killed himself during a demonstration at the Wired NextFest conference. Bill Dube, a government scientist during the day and electric bike builder at night, did a "burn out" in front of the Los Angeles Convention Center, but accidentally accelerated too much and crashed into a Minivan. Luckily we were able to interview Dube before the crash. He was quite proud of his bike and told us that it was the quickest electric bike in existence. Using A123 Systems lithium-ion batteries, the KillaCycle can go zero to 60 miles-per-hour in a mind numbing .97 seconds. It also has a top speed of 158 MPH. Dube fatefully told us that the batteries are "more powerful than anything else" on the market. Well they were indeed the most powerful because they hurtled Dube and his bike into another vehicle. You can watch the demonstration and initial interview in the above video. The crash threw Dube into the air and he landed on his back onto the hot Los Angeles asphalt. Luckily he was conscious, breathing and had feeling in all his fingers and toes. Paramedics from the Los Angeles Fire Department arrived and took Dube to the hospital for x-rays. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Bill Dube Doing OK? Being stuck behind a completely irrational firewall, I can't see any of these reports. What's the story? neal ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:51 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction At 09:50 PM 9/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >I need to reverse the direction of my autopilot roll servo. This involves >swapping two wires that go into the servo D-Sub connector. > >I have extractred pins from D-Sub connectors before, but I always had a >free end of the wire attached to the pin to thread through the groove in >the extraction tool. > >This may be a stupid question, but how do I get the extraction tool around >the wire when I don't have a free end to the wire? This would be easy if >I had a free end to thread into the extraction tool groove, but a free end >isn't available unless I cut the wire!? > >I sure don't want to cut the two wires, swap and then solder working in >the belly of my fuselage! > >Am I missing something here? See http://aeroelectric.com/articles/D-Sub_Pin/Pin-Extraction.html Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:43 PM PST US From: "Robert Feldtman" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction Ditto to replies - I got one at Radio Shack! Also, check your autopilot software - some allow you to switch directions with the software and you don't have to do a wire change. At least my trio does bobf On 9/14/07, Eric Newton wrote: > > The extraction tool that I have has a slot in it. See picture: > > The wire goes in the slot. > > Got it from B&C > http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#DSE-1 > > Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS > BH #682- Mississippi Mudbug > BEARHAWK BUILDER'S MANUALS > http://mybearhawk.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:50 PM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: D-Sub Pin Extraction > > > > > > I need to reverse the direction of my autopilot roll servo. This > involves > > swapping two wires that go into the servo D-Sub connector. > > > > I have extractred pins from D-Sub connectors before, but I always had a > > free end of the wire attached to the pin to thread through the groove in > > the extraction tool. > > > > This may be a stupid question, but how do I get the extraction tool > around > > the wire when I don't have a free end to the wire? This would be easy > if > > I had a free end to thread into the extraction tool groove, but a free > end > > isn't available unless I cut the wire!? > > > > I sure don't want to cut the two wires, swap and then solder working in > > the belly of my fuselage! > > > > Am I missing something here? > > > > HELP! > > > > Paul Siegel > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:56 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? Hi Bob and all, Two buddies are reporting a recent XPDR trouble with their Microair T2000SFL transponder with an ACK A30 encoder, installed with the supplied harness and antenna. After 50 trouble-free hours, the controller reported not receiving all infos from their transponder, then shortly after she told them she got no response at all. I made a quick inspection of their coaxial connections, but did not find anything. The XPDR does not display any warning or error. I would appreciate any advice as to where to further investigate, and whether a XPDR fault is probable. Thanks in advance, Regards, -- Gilles Thesee http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? From: Doug Gray Bonjour Gilles, Firstly check the obvious (as you probably already have). That is test the co-ax lead for good continuity on core and shield, check power and connections at the connector, plus the connector security. If you still have a problem, get up early one morning and telephone Microair for their recommendation. I'd be surprised if you had a poor response. Do let the list know of the outcome. Doug Gray ..Sydney, Aust. do not archive On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 21:45 +0200, Gilles Thesee wrote: > > Hi Bob and all, > > Two buddies are reporting a recent XPDR trouble with their Microair > T2000SFL transponder with an ACK A30 encoder, installed with the > supplied harness and antenna. > > After 50 trouble-free hours, the controller reported not receiving all > infos from their transponder, then shortly after she told them she got > no response at all. > I made a quick inspection of their coaxial connections, but did not find > anything. The XPDR does not display any warning or error. > I would appreciate any advice as to where to further investigate, and > whether a XPDR fault is probable. > > Thanks in advance, > > Regards, ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:47 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? Doug, Thank you for responding. > test the co-ax lead for good continuity on core and shield, Did not do yet, we were on a distant airfield. > check power and > connections at the connector, plus the connector security. > Done. The transponder displays as usual. > If you still have a problem, get up early one morning and telephone > Microair for their recommendation. I'd be surprised if you had a poor > response. > Thank you for your input. BTW, are you the Doug Gray of "3 GPS legs" method fame ? Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? From: Doug Gray Gilles, Yes, I'm the culprit on the method. Regarding the transponders, if there a latent defect in the product the manufacturer should own the problem. Regards, Doug On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 23:36 +0200, Gilles Thesee wrote: > > Doug, > > Thank you for responding. > > > test the co-ax lead for good continuity on core and shield, > > Did not do yet, we were on a distant airfield. > > > check power and > > connections at the connector, plus the connector security. > > > > Done. The transponder displays as usual. > > > If you still have a problem, get up early one morning and telephone > > Microair for their recommendation. I'd be surprised if you had a poor > > response. > > > Thank you for your input. > BTW, are you the Doug Gray of "3 GPS legs" method fame ? > > Best regards, ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:53 PM PST US From: "Dick Fisher" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? You problems maybe Mode S related. Check out the Microair website. All of these transponders need to be updated to Revision 7 which is fairly pricey. I was quoted $445.00 US + shipping from Erie Aviation, an authorized repair shop. Dick Fisher sonex76@velocity.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles Thesee" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? > > > Hi Bob and all, > > Two buddies are reporting a recent XPDR trouble with their Microair > T2000SFL transponder with an ACK A30 encoder, installed with the supplied > harness and antenna. > > After 50 trouble-free hours, the controller reported not receiving all > infos from their transponder, then shortly after she told them she got no > response at all. > I made a quick inspection of their coaxial connections, but did not find > anything. The XPDR does not display any warning or error. > I would appreciate any advice as to where to further investigate, and > whether a XPDR fault is probable. > > Thanks in advance, > > Regards, > -- > Gilles Thesee > http://contrails.free.fr > > > -- > 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:59 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? Dick Fisher a crit : > > Check out the Microair website. > All of these transponders need to be updated to Revision 7 which is > fairly pricey. I was quoted $445.00 US + shipping from Erie Aviation, > an authorized repair shop. Dick, Doug and all, Of course I'll make the necessary coax verifications, then contact the dealer where they got their transponder. Just checked the Microair website. I'm a bit concerned for my buddies. I'm not aware of any Mode S ground installation in the Lyon area (France) where they have been having their problem, but who knows. What surprises me is that Microair talks about charging the client for a simple software update to correct a built-in defect. The software update should be free once you produce your XPDR S/N, or performed under warranty by the dealers. Will keep you posted, Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:53 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: XPDR trouble, what to look for ? Gilles Thesee a crit : > What surprises me is that Microair talks about charging the client for > a simple software update to correct a built-in defect. Well, reading more carefully, there is also a hardware mod. 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