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1. 05:59 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Z-19 and considerations of SYSTEM reliability (Gary Casey)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Patrick ONeill)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Walter Fellows)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Rob Turk)
6. 07:30 AM - Re: Strange breaker issues (Emrath)
7. 07:45 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Gaye and Vaughn)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Matt Prather)
9. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Z-19 and considerations of SYSTEM reliability (paul wilson)
10. 09:35 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Richard Dudley)
11. 09:53 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Steve Thomas)
12. 10:50 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Bruce Gray)
13. 11:18 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: Engine sensor ground (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 11:54 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Rob Turk)
16. 12:38 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Dj Merrill)
17. 01:14 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Kevin Horton)
18. 01:35 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
19. 03:03 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
20. 06:41 PM - CD REV 11.1 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 07:21 PM - Low cost batteries (earl_schroeder@juno.com)
22. 07:52 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Randy)
23. 07:52 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Randy)
24. 09:06 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Walter Fellows)
25. 09:43 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Patrick ONeill)
26. 09:44 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Patrick ONeill)
27. 11:54 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Doug Gray)
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time
was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and
if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout
the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between
8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later and I've barely
transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.
So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local
comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
>
> I've just uploaded the latest copy of the 'Connection's
> data CD. Version 11.1 zip file may be accessed at:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/CD/AEC_11p1.zip
>
> This is about a 400M file. It can take awhile on even
> some "high speed" systems.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ( "Problems are the price of progress. )
> ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )
> ( Good news weakens me." )
> ( -Charles F. Kettering- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total
time was?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back
and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An
hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.
So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Looking forward to do some number comparisons.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>thx,</DIV>
<DIV>luck</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Z-19 and considerations of SYSTEM reliability |
I missed the start of this thread so pardon me if my post misses the
mark. Regarding an automatic way to turn on the backup pump, as I
understand it either or both Columbia and Cirrus have this feature.
I put it in my Lancair, but it has a Lycoming engine in which fuel
pressure does not affect fuel flow - it doesn't matter whether it has
one or both pumps working. Some engines (Continental fuel injection
systems) are affected by inlet fuel pressure and there have been
problems with over-fueling these engines, according to what I have
read. Both Cirrus and Columbia use Continental engines, so that is
contradictory. My system consists of a pressure switch (normally
on), a latching relay and a warning light. The manual switch has
Off, Auto and On positions. I turn it to Auto to prime the engine,
after which I turn it Off and then back to Auto to verify there are
no fuel leaks (the pump should stay off with the mixture pulled and
the engine not running). Before takeoff I verify the pump is in the
Auto position. The problem is that I have the pressure switch set at
the minimum operating pressure of about 11 psi the pump will
occasionally turn on. Maybe I should set the switch at a pressure
significantly below operating pressure. If I run a tank dry the pump
will come on BEFORE the engine quits, although it doesn't prevent it
from surging for a few seconds until all the air is purged.
Botttom line - I think this feature is a good thing for engines that
aren't affected by having the backup pump come on even though the
primary pump is working well. In my mind, an "active" safety system
in an airplane that has the pilot in the loop is not a good thing.
Sometime unavoidable, but still not a good thing. I like the idea
that the backup pump will turn on instantly when needed without me
having to do it.
Gary Casey
>
> Time: 05:49:23 AM PST US
> From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Z-19 and considerations of SYSTEM
> reliability
>
>
> 10/13/2007
>
> Hello Bob, You wrote: " . . . and the pump is already ON for
> takeoff and
> landing."
>
> Just a reminder that in some aircraft the electrically driven fuel
> boost
> pump is not turned on for takeoff or landing.
>
> The problem in those aircraft is that with the engine driven fuel
> pump and
> the electrically driven fuel boost pump both operating the engine
> can be
> drowned in fuel and not operate properly or at all.
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch the time
precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers. I would
imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's announcement and the site
had significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy download was likely not
due to your Internet connection but the server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this information
available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of information
on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and
forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later and
I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I am getting about 8kb/sec on the fastest residential line available in
Seattle through the phone company on a direct line to the modem (no
wireless). I usually get 130-200 kb/sec from a free site for approximately
15 mb files.
On 10/14/07, lucky <luckymacy@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
> rate/total time was?
>
> I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week)
> and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per
> second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and
> forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later
> and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
>
> Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
> downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was
> vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
>
> Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
>
> thx,
> luck
>
> =====
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I'm seeing 9.4KB/s in Europe. Still 10+ hours to go according to
Internet Explorer. My first attempt aborted after 130MB. This type of
file is the perfect candidate for P2P sharing, maybe a thought for the
next release?
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: lucky
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com ; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to
16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were
bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or
two. An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393
MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
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| Subject: | Re: Strange breaker issues |
Brett:
On page 18 of this document, it shows 2amps at 14V. That is just for the one
position light. On page 24 it says up ot 4amps TOTAL, which I would take to
include both the colored and the white position lights. So as Bob says,
using this model the Nav lights draw 4amps each side, two bulbs per side or
8amps total. Thus it depends upon which model position/strobe light you use
how the wire will be sized and fused. Hope this helps
Marty in Brentwood TN
RV-6A wiring (man there's a lot of wire).
I've got the stobes switched and 'breakered' separately with a 7A
Klixon. The
wingtip position/nav (A600 PG/PR) lights, which are clearly shown as 4
amps at
14V on page 24 of thier documentation, but here I see the wattage (26
and 24,
respectively) for the first time, and so it does appear that is the
"total
power consumption" for one Lamp Assembly (forward and aft) but not the
pair....
Oops.
http://www.whelen.com/pb/Aviation/Anti-Collision_Light_Systems_Installation_
and_Service_Manual.pdf
Brett
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I tried the download after reading your email and was getting a 9 to 10
KB/sec download speed. I am assuming that there are a lot of Bob's
followers that are downloading now and slow speeds usually are the
result of a very heavily used website, so I will wait until the stampede
is over and try again next week. I also have Optinet with a usual
download speed of 4+ MB/sec.
Vaughn
----- Original Message -----
From: lucky
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com ; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to
16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were
bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or
two. An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393
MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Right.. The download speed will only be as fast a the slowest piece of
equipment in the line..
> The lengthy download was likely
> not
> due to your Internet connection but the server's.
>
>
> And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this information
> available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of
> information
> on any subject matter. It is truly great!
>
Hear hear!!
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Patrick Oneill
>
Regards.
Matt-
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Z-19 and considerations of SYSTEM reliability |
Don't you guys with backup pumps use a pressure regulator like all
modern autos and trucks? If not, then why not?
These auto units usually have a return line for the excess fuel. Some
are controlled by vacuum to allow a slightly higher pressure when
vacuum is low.
Paul
===================
At 07:45 AM 10/14/2007, Gary Casey wrote:
>Some engines (Continental fuel injection
>systems) are affected by inlet fuel pressure and there have been
>problems with over-fueling these engines, according to what I have
>read.
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
My download started out this morning around 9:00 EDT at about 17KB/sec.
Now, at 12:00 noon it is down to 9.3 KB/sec. at 90MB of 402MB.
My software is now projecting another 9+ hours at the present rate.
Initially the projection 3 hours ago was for a total of 7 hours.
It sounds like server load and/or internet traffic load.
Richard Dudley
Rob Turk wrote:
> I'm seeing 9.4KB/s in Europe. Still 10+ hours to go according to
> Internet Explorer. My first attempt aborted after 130MB. This type of
> file is the perfect candidate for P2P sharing, maybe a thought for the
> next release?
>
> Rob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lucky <mailto:luckymacy@comcast.net>
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> ;
> aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
>
> Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
> rate/total time was?
>
> I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded
> last week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging
> 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times
> remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours
> for the first hour or two. An hour later and I've barely
> transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
>
> Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second
> on downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's
> host website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might
> be seeing.
>
> Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
>
> thx,
> luck
>
> =====
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine download
speeds, and your individual connection to the Internet is only one
factor. Server capability is one major factor as is the pipe that it
must pass through to wherever the stream is going. And, yes, the
pipe does slow down significantly throughout the day. One person
already mentioned that the server must deal with many requests right
after an announcement comes out. Waiting for a while should improve
things. But the server is probably the limiting factor.
Best Regards,
Steve
____________________________________________________________________
On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:50 AM, lucky wrote:
> Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
> rate/total time was?
>
> I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded
> last week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging
> 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times
> remaining were bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for
> the first hour or two. An hour later and I've barely transferred
> over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
>
> Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second
> on downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host
> website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be
> seeing.
>
> Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
>
> thx,
> luck
>
> =====
>
>
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Doesn't anyone have some spare space with a T1 connection that they can
upload a copy of the zip on and share the mirror site link with us?
Bruce
<http://www.Glasair.org> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine download
speeds,
and your individual connection to the Internet is only one factor.
Server
capability is one major factor as is the pipe that it must pass through
to
wherever the stream is going. And, yes, the pipe does slow down
significantly throughout the day. One person already mentioned that the
server must deal with many requests right after an announcement comes
out.
Waiting for a while should improve things. But the server is probably
the
limiting factor.
Best Regards,
Steve
____________________________________________________________________
On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:50 AM, lucky wrote:
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB
per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back
and
forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later
and
I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.
matro
nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
At 09:40 AM 10/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine download
>speeds, and your individual connection to the Internet is only one
>factor. Server capability is one major factor as is the pipe that it must
>pass through to wherever the stream is going. And, yes, the pipe does
>slow down significantly throughout the day. One person already mentioned
>that the server must deal with many requests right after an announcement
>comes out. Waiting for a while should improve things. But the server is
>probably the limiting factor.
I think this is the case. When testing my Cox service with
NetMagic's speed test utility, typical numbers are 4-6 mbps
download and 581 kbps upload. Keep in mind that these are
BITS per second that reflect the system's data rate. File
sizes are in BYTES . . . 8-bits per byte. Roughly speaking,
a system that downloads at 1 mbps will take 7-10 seconds
to download a million byte string depending on formats,
compression, error checking, etc.
All other things being equal, I should be able to bring
the 400MB file down in something like 10 minutes or so.
I think I recall having that kind of access some time
ago . . . but I don't recall now if my site was running
off Matronics or the server I owned out in SF. It took
me right at two hours to upload the file to the server
last night. I would have expected a download to be
about 6x faster or 20 minutes. I just did a trial
access of the CD and my browser reported a 6+ hour
task.
I'm thinking about splitting the CD up into individual
sections. A great deal of the material does not change
from revision to revision . . . the published works
for example. I'll put some thought into a re-organization
of the information offered such that it's still accessible
but subject to less repetitive downloading effort.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Engine sensor ground |
At 12:32 PM 10/13/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>I understand that in a single point ground system, those sensors that are
>connected to the engine case should have their ground returned from the
>instrument to the engine side of the firewall ground. A question here,
>with some of these new electronic engine analyzers where you have multiple
>sensors connecting to one instrument via a D-sub connector, how do you
>resolve the issue of returning the relevant ground back to engine side
>when the ground is grounded internally in the instrument. In my case,
>most of the sensors are isolated from the engine except for the Oil Temp
>which is obviously threaded directly to the engine case.
Suggest you create and utilize an instrument panel
ground bus to bring case grounded panel mounted
stuff and associated ground wires to nearly common
point. See Figure Z-15 and the collection of files
in . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Grounding/
>I have a factory built airplane with very basic instrumentation and
>avionics, in fact it had just one old chunky radio and the avionics master
>switch is simply a 5amp switch type circuit breaker. Now that I am
>installing a few more avionics, is there any problems with connecting all
>of them to this one circuit breaker or perhaps running a bus from this
>switch/circuit breaker to separate circuit breakers for each avionics?
For just one radio, the "avionics master" switch
was a waste of time and reduction in reliability.
In fact, if you're only going to install a few radios
total, I'll suggest you ditch the AMS and just
turn the radios on/off as part of your checklist
ritual.
Bob . . .
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( "Problems are the price of progress. )
( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )
( Good news weakens me." )
( -Charles F. Kettering- )
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
It must be the upload server. I now have as low as 7.4 KB/s, 44% done.
Meanwhile I ran another download which got me 1.2 MegaByte/s. That's
about as fast as I ever get. My ADSL2 line has a theoretical maximum of
20 Mbit/s but I'm happy with the 12-13 Mbit/s I get.
Time for Bob to seed a download farm ;-)
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dudley
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
My download started out this morning around 9:00 EDT at about
17KB/sec.
Now, at 12:00 noon it is down to 9.3 KB/sec. at 90MB of 402MB.
My software is now projecting another 9+ hours at the present rate.
Initially the projection 3 hours ago was for a total of 7 hours.
It sounds like server load and/or internet traffic load.
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Bruce Gray wrote:
> Doesnt anyone have some spare space with a T1 connection that they can
> upload a copy of the zip on and share the mirror site link with us?
Yes, as soon as I can get the file downloaded...
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
On 14 Oct 2007, at 15:07, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> At 09:40 AM 10/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> Don't forget that there are a lot of factors that determine
>> download speeds, and your individual connection to the Internet is
>> only one factor. Server capability is one major factor as is the
>> pipe that it must pass through to wherever the stream is going.
>> And, yes, the pipe does slow down significantly throughout the
>> day. One person already mentioned that the server must deal with
>> many requests right after an announcement comes out. Waiting for
>> a while should improve things. But the server is probably the
>> limiting factor.
>
> I'm thinking about splitting the CD up into individual
> sections. A great deal of the material does not change
> from revision to revision . . . the published works
> for example. I'll put some thought into a re-organization
> of the information offered such that it's still accessible
> but subject to less repetitive downloading effort.
Another good option would be BitTorrent, or another peer to peer
service. With BitTorrent, computers that have downloaded all, or
part of the file, are used as upload servers. The available
bandwidth goes up very quickly once the file has spread to several
computers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
--
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
At 03:25 PM 10/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Bruce Gray wrote:
> > Doesn't anyone have some spare space with a T1 connection that they can
> > upload a copy of the zip on and share the mirror site link with us?
>
> Yes, as soon as I can get the file downloaded...
-Dj
I can mail you the CD if you wish.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
After 9 hours, my transfer rate has fallen to 7.76KB/Sec and it says I still have
4hr 42mins left ;-)
-------------- Original message --------------
From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total time
was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week) and
if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout
the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth between
8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later and I've barely
transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.
So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local
comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
<html><body>
<DIV>After 9 hours, my transfer rate has fallen to 7.76KB/Sec and it says I still
have 4hr 42mins left ;-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: luckymacy@comcast.net
(lucky) <BR>
<DIV>Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer rate/total
time was?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back
and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An
hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on downloads.
So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Looking forward to do some number comparisons.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>thx,</DIV>
<DIV>luck</DIV>
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A note from Matt Dralle:
Now, if there are two people trying to download it at the same time, the
total download time will double for each person or 1 hour 10 minutes. If
there are three people, it will triple, etc.
I next took a look at the web logs for this file and found that there are a
ton of people in the last couple of days trying to download the file. If
you look at the time stamps, many of these are occurring at the same time.
That's just a lot of data for a lot of people to pull off the server at one
time. It also looks like a lot of people are thinking something is wrong,
so after a while, then stop the transfer and start it again, which just
causes further delays as a whole."
He tacked a copy of the download logs and
there was a general overload of the server.
Sometimes there were as many as 6 or 7 folks
trying at the same time which DOES slow things
down a lot.
I'll suggest that folks still looking at
long downloads stop terminate the activity
and then wait a week or so. The server is
simply swamped right now.
If our benevolent brother -Dj is able to support
this activity with wider bandwidth, perhaps
we'll have an alternate repository that
facilitates better service.
Bob . . .
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( "Problems are the price of progress. )
( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )
( Good news weakens me." )
( -Charles F. Kettering- )
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| Subject: | Low cost batteries |
Another source of low cost AA and AAA batteries.
http://tinyurl.com/2flodm
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully
it will be finished when I get up in the morning.
randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch the
time precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers.
I would imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's announcement
and the site had significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy
download was likely not due to your Internet connection but the
server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
information available. I have never encountered a more useful collection
of information on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to
16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were
bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or
two. An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393
MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
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10/13/2007 7:26 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
LOL I just did a bandwidth speed test and am showing, 1 megabits per
second,Communications 1 megabits per second,
Storage 124.5 kilobytes per second
1MB file download 8.2 seconds but am still showing only about 5kb per sec
downloading this with 22 hours more to go.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
> <mprather@spro.net>
>
>
> Right.. The download speed will only be as fast a the slowest piece of
> equipment in the line..
>
>> The lengthy download was likely
>> not
>> due to your Internet connection but the server's.
>>
>>
>>
>> And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this information
>> available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of
>> information
>> on any subject matter. It is truly great!
>>
>
> Hear hear!!
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Patrick Oneill
>>
>
> Regards.
>
> Matt-
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
> 10/13/2007 7:26 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I have been downloading since about 7am this morning pacific time, I am at
83% and running about 5-6kb/sec. Bob, you should be proud the demand is so
great it is brought your server down to this rate. Thanks again.
On 10/14/07, Randy <brinker@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
> downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully it
> will be finished when I get up in the morning.
>
> randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick ONeill <poneill@irealms.com>
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
> *Subject:* RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
>
> It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch the time
> precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers. I would
> imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's announcement and the site
> had significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy download was likely not
> due to your Internet connection but the server's.
>
>
> And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this information
> available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of information
> on any subject matter. It is truly great!
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Patrick Oneill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *lucky
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
>
>
> Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
> rate/total time was?
>
>
> I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last week)
> and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per
> second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and
> forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later
> and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
>
>
> Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
> downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website was
> vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
>
>
> Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
>
>
> thx,
>
> luck
>
>
> =====
>
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>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
trying
to get it:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
anyone objects.
On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many people
it
can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully
it
will be finished when I get up in the morning.
randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick <mailto:poneill@irealms.com> ONeill
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch the
time
precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers. I
would
imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's announcement and the
site
had significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy download was likely
not
due to your Internet connection but the server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
information
available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of
information
on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB
per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back
and
forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later
and
I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.
matro
nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
trying
to get it:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
anyone objects.
On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many people
it
can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully
it
will be finished when I get up in the morning.
randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick <mailto:poneill@irealms.com> ONeill
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch the
time
precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers. I
would
imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's announcement and the
site
had significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy download was likely
not
due to your Internet connection but the server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
information
available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of
information
on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB
per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back
and
forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later
and
I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
======
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.
matro
nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Patrick,
Thanks for hosting the file. Download in ~15 mins.
Bob,
Thanks for making these resources available.
Doug Gray
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 21:38 -0700, Patrick ONeill wrote:
> I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
> trying to get it: http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
> I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
> anyone objects. On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not
> sure how many people it can accommodate before slowing down, but it
> should help. Best Regards, Patrick Oneill
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