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1. 12:26 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Rob Turk)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Tony Babb)
3. 03:57 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (larry dodge)
4. 04:00 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Mike Schuler)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Harley)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Richard Dudley)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: CD REV 11.1 (Dj Merrill)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Matt Dralle)
9. 10:31 AM - The price of popularity . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 10:38 AM - AEC mirror services? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 10:39 AM - Re: CD REV 11.1 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 11:20 AM - Re: CD REV 11.1 (Dj Merrill)
14. 11:21 AM - LOL (Fergus Kyle)
15. 12:14 PM - Instrument panel beginner (mosquito56)
16. 12:52 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 01:04 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (Bill Schoen)
18. 01:38 PM - Re: AEC mirror services? (Bob Kuc)
19. 01:38 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 03:53 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Tony Babb)
21. 03:53 PM - Re: CD REV 11.1 (Tony Babb)
22. 05:04 PM - Re: CD REV 11.1 (Matt Prather)
23. 05:36 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
24. 05:46 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Henador Titzoff)
25. 07:44 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Ernest Christley)
26. 08:04 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
27. 08:09 PM - Re: Low cost batteries (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
28. 08:41 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (Richard Riley)
29. 09:17 PM - Re: Low cost batteries (Ron Quillin)
30. 09:32 PM - Re: Low cost batteries (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
31. 09:57 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (mosquito56)
32. 10:25 PM - Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded (mike humphrey)
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
MessageThanks Patrick! I got it from your site in 20 minutes. I
cancelled the download from Bob's site, it was crawling along at less
than 5KB/s. Estimated another 5 hours or so...
Thanks again,
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
trying to get it:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
anyone objects.
On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many
people it can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:28 PM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully
it will be finished when I get up in the morning.
randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is
uploaded
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch
the time precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually
delivers. I would imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's
announcement and the site had significant traffic to accommodate. The
lengthy download was likely not due to your Internet connection but the
server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
information available. I have never encountered a more useful collection
of information on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is
uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded
last week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB
to 16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were
bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or
two. An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393
MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second
on downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host
website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Patrick,
Thanks, I got it in about 20 minutes. It may have helped that I did it
at
around 6am ET.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Patrick
ONeill
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
trying
to get it:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
anyone objects.
On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many people
it
can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully
it
will be finished when I get up in the morning.
randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick <mailto:poneill@irealms.com> ONeill
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch the
time
precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually delivers. I
would
imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's announcement and the
site
had significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy download was likely
not
due to your Internet connection but the server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
information
available. I have never encountered a more useful collection of
information
on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded last
week)
and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB
per
second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were bouncing back
and
forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour later
and
I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second on
downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host website
was
vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Is a CD being offerred for Version 11.1?
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I'm building a Falco and am interested in anything about the electrical
installation. What does the "download" that's referred to give us?
Thanks,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is |
uploaded
Thanks, Patrick...
That did it! I was getting as high as 26kbs when trying to download the
original, but that would still take too long for me (Firefox was
reporting an estimated 4 hours).
At your mirror site, I was seeing 300kbs! Don't know how long it
actually took, as I went to take a shower and shave while it was
downloading, but Firefox was reporting 14 minutes when I left it.
I typically see a little less than the estimated time when I download
other files.
It was done when I came back.
Wonder if Matt's upload speed may be a problem? I know that here, on
this DSL line I have, my download speed is 3-4mbs, but the upload is
only 300kbs or so. If Matt's servers have the same limitations, that
might explain some of the slowdown (as well as the number of people
trying to access it).
Harley Dixon
Long EZ N28EZ
Hangar 29, Airport
Canandaigua, NY
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Patrick ONeill wrote:
> I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
> trying to get it:
>
> http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
>
> I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
> anyone objects.
>
> On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many
> people it can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick Oneill
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Thanks Patrick. I downloaded it in about 20 minutes from your mirror site.
Richard Dudley
Patrick ONeill wrote:
> I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
> trying to get it:
>
> http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
>
> I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
> anyone objects.
>
> On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many
> people it can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick Oneill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Randy
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:28 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
>
> I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and
> am downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow
> hopefully it will be finished when I get up in the morning.
>
> randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick ONeill <mailto:poneill@irealms.com>
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is
> uploaded
>
> It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't
> watch the time precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download
> and usually delivers. I would imagine there were a lot of
> downloads after Bob's announcement and the site had
> significant traffic to accommodate. The lengthy download was
> likely not due to your Internet connection but the server's.
>
>
>
> And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
> information available. I have never encountered a more useful
> collection of information on any subject matter. It is truly
> great!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Patrick Oneill
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of lucky
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com;
> aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is
> uploaded
>
>
>
> Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average
> transfer rate/total time was?
>
>
>
> I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was
> upgraded last week) and if anything things seem slower. I was
> averaging 12.0KB to 16.0KB per second throughout the day.
> Estimated times remaining were bouncing back and forth
> between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or two. An hour
> later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393 MB.
>
>
>
> Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per
> second on downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a
> bottleneck Bob's host website was vs. local comcast by
> comparing what others might be seeing.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
>
>
>
> thx,
>
> luck
>
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
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>
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Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> If our benevolent brother -Dj is able to support
> this activity with wider bandwidth, perhaps
> we'll have an alternate repository that
> facilitates better service.
Try:
http://deej.net/sportsman/manuals/AEC_11p1.zip
If it doesn't overload the server, I should be able to leave this up
for a few days.
-Dj
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airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
It is/was the sheer number of people trying to download the file. I've got a commercial
T1 line here for service, but its been pegged all weekend with download
attempts. Thank you to Patrick for the mirror!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics
At 05:17 AM 10/15/2007 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Thanks, Patrick...
>
>That did it! I was getting as high as 26kbs when trying to download the original,
but that would still take too long for me (Firefox was reporting an estimated
4 hours).
>
>At your mirror site, I was seeing 300kbs! Don't know how long it actually took,
as I went to take a shower and shave while it was downloading, but Firefox
was reporting 14 minutes when I left it. I typically see a little less than the
estimated time when I download other files.
>
>It was done when I came back.
>
>Wonder if Matt's upload speed may be a problem? I know that here, on this DSL
line I have, my download speed is 3-4mbs, but the upload is only 300kbs or so.
If Matt's servers have the same limitations, that might explain some of the
slowdown (as well as the number of people trying to access it).
>
>Harley Dixon
>Long EZ N28EZ
>Hangar 29, Airport
>Canandaigua, NY
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Patrick ONeill wrote:
>>I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still trying to
get it:
>>
>>http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
>>
>>I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or anyone
objects. On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many people
it can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Patrick Oneill
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | The price of popularity . . . |
At 08:49 PM 10/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>I have been downloading since about 7am this morning pacific time, I am at
>83% and running about 5-6kb/sec. Bob, you should be proud the demand is so
>great it is brought your server down to this rate. Thanks again.
It's a mixed bag. Unfortunately, download traffic to
the server is adversely affecting access to Matronics
systems. This is a 400M file. Download traffic attempting
to acquire the data placed a VERY heavy load on the server.
Everyone's transfers have dropped to a snail's pace . . .
access to the rest of the AeroElectric site is restricted
and I suspect effects of this bottle neck is reflected
across the system.
The AeroElectric Data CD Ver 11.1 has been temporarily removed
from the website's server. My apologies to those who were
in the middle of the download when the file was pulled.
I'll see if I can find a more appropriate repository for this
data that can support the interest without over-stressing Matt's
system.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | AEC mirror services? |
Many thanks to those who have stepped in to help
clear the "log jam". What are the possibilities/
opportunities to set up permanent mirrors for this
data?
I looked at the "split up" idea and it turns out
that most of the data is for the website. A small
fraction of the total is fixed resources. It appears
that interest in 'Connection's data resources are
in danger of overloading present hardware. Unless
I can spread out the loads, I may have scale back
access to CD copy by mail only.
Bob . . .
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( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )
( Good news weakens me." )
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
At 10:01 AM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks Patrick. I downloaded it in about 20 minutes from your mirror site.
>Richard Dudley
>
>Patrick ONeill wrote:
>>I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
>>trying to get it:
>>
>><http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip>http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
>>
>>I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
>>anyone objects.
>>
>>On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many people
>>it can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Patrick Oneill
Thank you sir!
Bob . . .
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At 10:45 AM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> >
> > If our benevolent brother -Dj is able to support
> > this activity with wider bandwidth, perhaps
> > we'll have an alternate repository that
> > facilitates better service.
>
> Try:
>http://deej.net/sportsman/manuals/AEC_11p1.zip
>
> If it doesn't overload the server, I should be able to leave this up
>for a few days.
-Dj, I'm not going to link to the mirrors directly
from the website. This will reduce download traffic
to individuals who are cognizant of the mirrors by
virtue of their participation here on the List.
Need to think about the best way to handle this
in the future. Thank you so much for your interest
and assistance!
Bob . . .
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( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )
( Good news weakens me." )
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Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> -Dj, I'm not going to link to the mirrors directly
> from the website. This will reduce download traffic
> to individuals who are cognizant of the mirrors by
> virtue of their participation here on the List.
That sounds like a good idea. :-)
>
> Need to think about the best way to handle this
> in the future. Thank you so much for your interest
> and assistance!
>
I'd recommend Bittorrent. It is designed for this sort of thing,
and spreads the bandwidth among many machines versus just one server.
You can provide a web link on the server that points to the seed of the
bittorrent file, and as more clients download parts of the file, they
also share in the distribution by allowing other client machines to
download the part they already have from them. As more people download,
they also share their bandwidth to help upload to the other people. A
true sharing system.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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Looks as though everyone wanted to board the bus through that single door,
at the same time! No wonder the last guy said, "it took 15 minutes to find
a seat!"
I've got to admit I tagged on and when it changed from 7 hours
estimate to 12, I logged off. Maybe later...............
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Instrument panel beginner |
I am currently trying to design my instrument panel for a Jabir3300. I love the
dynon system but $6,000 is a little much for dual panel.
I am looking for suggestions concerning instrument panels.
Anyone have any input on iktechnologies, dynon, and grand rapids? I have heard
only good on dynon and grand rapids.
I am beginning to think that flat panel is not that much more expensive when you
add instruments, vacuum pump and 6cht and egt sensors.
Any thought on flat panel vs steam in terms of cost. Obvious flat panel would be
better but I am on a budget.
Don
601xl
Fuse almost done
need engine
need instruments
--------
Don Merritt
KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
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| Subject: | Instrument panel beginner |
I'm sorry but you said a very naughty word..."Vac**M pump"...cough cough
gag!...:)
OK I fly my RV7a IFR and if I never see a vacuum pump as long as I live
it will be too soon! Unreliable pieces of junk that will do their
darndest to kill you when in IMC.
For Visual rules flying you really don't need gyro instruments. If I
were doing another 601 (I owned one for 400 hours) I'd put a steam
driven ASI an altimeter and spend the rest of my money on a trutrak
pictorial pilot...Yes an autopilot will be far more useful in this
airplane (at least if you intend to use it for cross country flying)
than a whiz bang panel any day of the week...The Pictorial pilot also
gives you a turn coordinator that actually works!
But yes your right for IFR then Dynon is light years better than
anything being driven with a vacuum pump.
How about just the Dynon EMS (engine instruments), and the rest as I
described above.
Frank
Zodiac 601 HDS 400 hours (VFR)
RV7a 220 hours (IFR)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mosquito56
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Instrument panel beginner
--> <mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
I am currently trying to design my instrument panel for a Jabir3300. I
love the dynon system but $6,000 is a little much for dual panel.
I am looking for suggestions concerning instrument panels.
Anyone have any input on iktechnologies, dynon, and grand rapids? I have
heard only good on dynon and grand rapids.
I am beginning to think that flat panel is not that much more expensive
when you add instruments, vacuum pump and 6cht and egt sensors.
Any thought on flat panel vs steam in terms of cost. Obvious flat panel
would be better but I am on a budget.
Don
601xl
Fuse almost done
need engine
need instruments
--------
Don Merritt
KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel beginner |
Hi Don
My glass experience is mostly limited to modern airliners and not
Experimental airplanes, so I am not an expert but I can share that I am
a huge proponent of modern glass instruments. I have a Dynon D-100 in
my RV-7 which is not flying yet, but those who have either the D-10 or
D-100 that have been flying really like them and have had few problems
as far as I know. The advantages of glass over "steam" are well
documented. Reliability, freedom from gyro problems, initial cost and
maintenance and repair bills, flexibility, capability etc. Airlines love
them cause their parts counts and frequency of repair are much lower. Of
course they have dual or triple redundancy and high end stuff in their
panels.
I will be using a GR 6000 for all engine instruments plus it has back up
capability for Altitude and airspeed. I will also be using an Auto
pilot as a kind of T & B back-up in the very unlikely total failure of
the single Dynon in IMC. So, for whatever an opinion is worth, no steam
gages for me.
Bill Schoen
RV-7 N727BN (res)
South Fork, Colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: mosquito56<mailto:mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
To:
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com<mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Instrument panel beginner
<mosquito-56@hotmail.com<mailto:mosquito-56@hotmail.com>>
I am currently trying to design my instrument panel for a Jabir3300. I
love the dynon system but $6,000 is a little much for dual panel.
I am looking for suggestions concerning instrument panels.
Anyone have any input on iktechnologies, dynon, and grand rapids? I
have heard only good on dynon and grand rapids.
I am beginning to think that flat panel is not that much more
expensive when you add instruments, vacuum pump and 6cht and egt
sensors.
Any thought on flat panel vs steam in terms of cost. Obvious flat
panel would be better but I am on a budget.
Don
601xl
Fuse almost done
need engine
need instruments
--------
Don Merritt
KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140114#140114<http://forums
matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140114#140114>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List<http://www.matronics
com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>
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| Subject: | AEC mirror services? |
The data can be put up on the torrent servers out there, then can be seeded
by many to ease the downloads
Do not archive
Bob Kuc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: AEC mirror services?
--> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Many thanks to those who have stepped in to help clear the "log jam". What
are the possibilities/ opportunities to set up permanent mirrors for this
data?
I looked at the "split up" idea and it turns out that most of the data is
for the website. A small fraction of the total is fixed resources. It
appears that interest in 'Connection's data resources are in danger of
overloading present hardware. Unless I can spread out the loads, I may have
scale back access to CD copy by mail only.
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------
( "Problems are the price of progress. )
( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )
( Good news weakens me." )
( -Charles F. Kettering- )
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| Subject: | Instrument panel beginner |
Yes me too...for IFR.. but gyro instruments are overkill for VFR..ASI,
ALT and turn coordinator (not that I ever needed mine) can be had for a
couple of hundred bucks...A D100 is $2.5K....Wonderful IFR instrument
but just not needed in a VFR airplane.
Save yer money for something useful...hence the autopilot.
Frank
601 400 hours
RV7a 220hours
________________________________
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Schoen
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Instrument panel beginner
Hi Don
My glass experience is mostly limited to modern airliners and not
Experimental airplanes, so I am not an expert but I can share that I am
a huge proponent of modern glass instruments. I have a Dynon D-100 in
my RV-7 which is not flying yet, but those who have either the D-10 or
D-100 that have been flying really like them and have had few problems
as far as I know. The advantages of glass over "steam" are well
documented. Reliability, freedom from gyro problems, initial cost and
maintenance and repair bills, flexibility, capability etc. Airlines love
them cause their parts counts and frequency of repair are much lower. Of
course they have dual or triple redundancy and high end stuff in their
panels.
I will be using a GR 6000 for all engine instruments plus it has back up
capability for Altitude and airspeed. I will also be using an Auto
pilot as a kind of T & B back-up in the very unlikely total failure of
the single Dynon in IMC. So, for whatever an opinion is worth, no steam
gages for me.
Bill Schoen
RV-7 N727BN (res)
South Fork, Colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: mosquito56 <mailto:mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Instrument panel beginner
<mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
I am currently trying to design my instrument panel for a
Jabir3300. I love the dynon system but $6,000 is a little much for dual
panel.
I am looking for suggestions concerning instrument panels.
Anyone have any input on iktechnologies, dynon, and grand
rapids? I have heard only good on dynon and grand rapids.
I am beginning to think that flat panel is not that much more
expensive when you add instruments, vacuum pump and 6cht and egt
sensors.
Any thought on flat panel vs steam in terms of cost. Obvious
flat panel would be better but I am on a budget.
Don
601xl
Fuse almost done
need engine
need instruments
--------
Don Merritt
KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140114#140114
http://www.p; available via
title=http://forums.matronics.com/
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
All,
My dear wife, unknowingly, donated about 400MB of space on her website. You
can download from here also ----> http://www.pslt.biz/AEC_11p1.zip. I'll
take it down in a week or so.
Tony
Velocity SEFG
62% done, 78% to go
www.alejandra.net/velocity
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Interesting idea. So do I have to do anything to offer my server or is it
automatic? If I download to my PC I would think my operating system may
prevent this sharing unless I do something to allow access. I'm uploading
the CD to my website, will post a link when it's ready.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj
Merrill
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: CD REV 11.1
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> -Dj, I'm not going to link to the mirrors directly
> from the website. This will reduce download traffic
> to individuals who are cognizant of the mirrors by
> virtue of their participation here on the List.
That sounds like a good idea. :-)
>
> Need to think about the best way to handle this
> in the future. Thank you so much for your interest
> and assistance!
>
I'd recommend Bittorrent. It is designed for this sort of thing, and
spreads the bandwidth among many machines versus just one server.
You can provide a web link on the server that points to the seed of the
bittorrent file, and as more clients download parts of the file, they also
share in the distribution by allowing other client machines to download the
part they already have from them. As more people download, they also share
their bandwidth to help upload to the other people. A true sharing system.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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Obviously wikipedia entries need to be taken with a grain of salt, but
here's what's been written there about BitTorrent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
Interestingly, while I am at work (big corporate), I can't actually go to
any of the peer-peer webpages.. It appears that if we want to share
something on BitTorrent, somebody will have to start it by downloading
some client software (with Bob's permission). Use this software to select
the Aeroelectric Book to be made into a BitTorent, which will divide the
book into multiple small chunks. Then it appears that people that want to
access the torrent would also download the client - allowing them to
participate in the Torrent.
After writing this, I realized that you might not be asking about
BitTorrent.. :) To just do a plain hosting/sharing, you'd have to save a
copy of the downloaded manual to a web/ftp viewable location.. I don't
know whether your server is setup for this. My ISP only provides about
20M, so I can't host it with my current setup.
Regards,
Matt-
> <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
>
> Interesting idea. So do I have to do anything to offer my server or is it
> automatic? If I download to my PC I would think my operating system may
> prevent this sharing unless I do something to allow access. I'm uploading
> the CD to my website, will post a link when it's ready.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj
> Merrill
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:12 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: CD REV 11.1
>
>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>>
>> -Dj, I'm not going to link to the mirrors directly
>> from the website. This will reduce download traffic
>> to individuals who are cognizant of the mirrors by
>> virtue of their participation here on the List.
>
> That sounds like a good idea. :-)
>
>>
>> Need to think about the best way to handle this
>> in the future. Thank you so much for your interest
>> and assistance!
>>
> I'd recommend Bittorrent. It is designed for this sort of thing, and
> spreads the bandwidth among many machines versus just one server.
> You can provide a web link on the server that points to the seed of the
> bittorrent file, and as more clients download parts of the file, they also
> share in the distribution by allowing other client machines to download
> the
> part they already have from them. As more people download, they also share
> their bandwidth to help upload to the other people. A true sharing
> system.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/
>
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
> airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
>
>
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| Subject: | Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
thanks. used it & was averaging around 225KB/s tnsfr rate.
luck
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All,
My dear wife, unknowingly, donated about 400MB of space on her website. You can download from here also ----> http://www.pslt.biz/AEC_11p1.zip. I'll take it down in a week or so.
Tony
Velocity SEFG
62% done, 78% to go
www.alejandra.net/velocity
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<DIV>thanks. used it & was averaging around 225KB/s tnsfr rate.</DIV>
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<DIV>luck</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=656214522-15102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My dear wife, unknowingly, donated about 400MB of space on her website. You can download from here also ----> <A href="http://www.pslt.biz/AEC_11p1.zip">http://www.pslt.biz/AEC_11p1.zip</A>. I'll take it down in a week or so.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=656214522-15102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tony</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656214522-15102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Velocity
SEFG </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656214522-15102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>62% done,
78% to go</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Kevin and others,
I have a 2.5 Mbps line in and out of my office. I use Bit Torrent all the time,
but I am not thrilled about it. Contrary to what all the hoopla says, it is
dog awful slow. The concept is great, but the implementation isn't what it's
cracked up to be. I often seed, but my download rates are always around 1K-6K
Bps. These rates are from several Bit Torrent sites, so I'm quoting numbers
from experience from several sources.
Henador
----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:59:45 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
<khorton01@rogers.com>
Another good option would be BitTorrent, or another peer to peer
service. With BitTorrent, computers that have downloaded all, or
part of the file, are used as upload servers. The available
bandwidth goes up very quickly once the file has spread to several
computers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
--
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
Henador Titzoff wrote:
>
> Kevin and others,
>
> I have a 2.5 Mbps line in and out of my office. I use Bit Torrent all the time,
but I am not thrilled about it. Contrary to what all the hoopla says, it
is dog awful slow. The concept is great, but the implementation isn't what it's
cracked up to be. I often seed, but my download rates are always around 1K-6K
Bps. These rates are from several Bit Torrent sites, so I'm quoting numbers
from experience from several sources.
>
The hype is stolen by people gaming the system, mainly in two ways.
Some people use clients that intentionally try to make it appear as if
they're uploading, when they're not. These people aught to be
shot...but what ya' gonna' do? People are selfish and greedy.
The biggest problem is that most people use an assymetric internet
service provider. My ISP, TimeWarner Cable, will often give me 600kbps
downstream, but I'm throttled to 50kbps upstream. It's the corporate
viewpoint that we're all 'consumers' and not 'customers'. In fact, the
whole DOCSIS standard is wrapped around the idea that people don't want
to participate in the internet, just be served by it. Unfortunately,
this works for the most part, because most people would rather just
consume vs truly participate. What ya' gonna' do? People are also lazy.
But I still love 'em. Be awful lonely without 'em.
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
At 06:48 AM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>I m building a Falco and am interested in anything about the electrical
>installation. What does the download that s referred to give us?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
Mike,
One of the publishing efforts we've mounted here
at the AeroElectric Connection is to offer a CD
that contains an image of the website at
http://aeroelectric.com along with a number of
good teaching texts on electronics. We sell the
CD for $10 . . . but have offered it for free
to anyone who wants to download it. The links
are on the catalog page of the website. A description
of the CD contents is at:
https://matronics.com/aeroelectric/Catalog/pub/pub.html#cdrom
The file has been downloaded hundreds of times
but over a long period of time and not by
great numbers of folks trying to get it at the
same time. It didn't occur to me that my announcement
for the latest version of the CD would produce
the response and subsequent stresses on the
servers that host the data.
So, we'll have to figure out a more practical
way to do distribution.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Low cost batteries |
At 02:05 AM 10/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:
><earl_schroeder@juno.com>
>
>Another source of low cost AA and AAA batteries.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2flodm
Boy! That is a bargain. It would be interesting
to get a few of those cells and see how much
'snort' they contain.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
I've put it up on bittorrent, it's tracked at thepiratebay.org
At 05:45 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote:
><henador_titzoff@yahoo.com>
>
>Kevin and others,
>
>I have a 2.5 Mbps line in and out of my office. I use Bit Torrent
>all the time, but I am not thrilled about it. Contrary to what all
>the hoopla says, it is dog awful slow. The concept is great, but
>the implementation isn't what it's cracked up to be. I often seed,
>but my download rates are always around 1K-6K Bps. These rates are
>from several Bit Torrent sites, so I'm quoting numbers from
>experience from several sources.
>
>Henador
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:59:45 PM
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
>
>
> <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>Another good option would be BitTorrent, or another peer to peer
>service. With BitTorrent, computers that have downloaded all, or
>part of the file, are used as upload servers. The available
>bandwidth goes up very quickly once the file has spread to several
>computers.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
>
>--
>Kevin Horton
>Ottawa, Canada
>
>
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At 21:10 10/15/2007, you wrote:
><nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
>At 02:05 AM 10/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:
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>><earl_schroeder@juno.com>
>>
>>Another source of low cost AA and AAA batteries.
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2flodm
>
> Boy! That is a bargain. It would be interesting
> to get a few of those cells and see how much
> 'snort' they contain.
>
> Bob . . .
While I can't provide any quantitative data (sorry Bob) I can say,
based on first hand experience, that they "seem" to provide a
comparable service life as expensive advertising burdened units.
I have fixed loads, meters and such...
Any fairly simple test you'd like to see performed?
Ron Q.
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>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
>
>While I can't provide any quantitative data (sorry Bob) I can say, based
>on first hand experience, that they "seem" to provide a comparable service
>life as expensive advertising burdened units.
>
>I have fixed loads, meters and such...
>Any fairly simple test you'd like to see performed?
If you have some of these, perhaps you could mail
me 4 or so and I'll put them on the ol' battery
runner-downer and plot their performance against
some other devices tested. See:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/El-Cheeso_Battery_Test_3.jpg
It would be interesting to see where they fall in
the constellation of AA battery products.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
We spoke on the phone today about shunts. If I get as much info from the book I
will be more than glad to pay for it. I tried to buy something from you today
(I am just starting my instrument panel), but it looks like you don't sell anything.
I will post in a few days so you can email me where to send the money. Thanx
in advance.
Don
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Don Merritt
KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140221#140221
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| Subject: | Re: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded |
MessagePatrick,
15 minutes total download.
Thanks,
Mike H
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:38 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I went ahead and put the ZIP on my site if it helps any of you still
trying to get it:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/aemirror/AEC_11p1.zip
I'll leave the mirror up for a few days to help catch up unless Bob or
anyone objects.
On a quick test Firefox estimated 10 mins. I'm not sure how many
people it can accommodate before slowing down, but it should help.
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:28 PM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is uploaded
I'm with suddenlink cable isp which was cox here in arkansas and am
downloading now. shows about 5kb sec with 27 hours to go. wow hopefully
it will be finished when I get up in the morning.
randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is
uploaded
It took me about 4 hours to download (maybe more, I didn't watch
the time precisely.) Cox here claims 12Mbps download and usually
delivers. I would imagine there were a lot of downloads after Bob's
announcement and the site had significant traffic to accommodate. The
lengthy download was likely not due to your Internet connection but the
server's.
And thanks very much Bob for taking the time to make all this
information available. I have never encountered a more useful collection
of information on any subject matter. It is truly great!
Best Regards,
Patrick Oneill
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:51 AM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ver 11.1 of the Data CD is
uploaded
Speaking of slow, anyone care to share what their average transfer
rate/total time was?
I have this "upgraded" comcast high speed service (was upgraded
last week) and if anything things seem slower. I was averaging 12.0KB
to 16.0KB per second throughout the day. Estimated times remaining were
bouncing back and forth between 8.5 to 7.2 hours for the first hour or
two. An hour later and I've barely transferred over 10% of the toal 393
MB.
Pretty lame for a local comcast system that claimes 8MB per second
on downloads. So I'm wondering how much of a bottleneck Bob's host
website was vs. local comcast by comparing what others might be seeing.
Looking forward to do some number comparisons.
thx,
luck
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