---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/17/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:23 AM - Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT (Rhino) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT (david stroud) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Nav/Com Antenna position (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Welcome to the List Mr. Merritt (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 08:48 AM - RG-174? (Ernest Christley) 6. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 7. 09:58 AM - Re: RG-174? (Matt Prather) 8. 11:03 AM - Re: Welcome to the List Mr. Merritt (mosquito56) 9. 11:58 AM - Total Newbie with many questions (mosquito56) 10. 12:06 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (mosquito56) 11. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Michael Ice) 12. 12:40 PM - Re: Total Newbie with many questions (Kevin Horton) 13. 12:45 PM - Re: RG-174? (Ernest Christley) 14. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Bill Hibbing) 15. 01:17 PM - Instrument panel beginner (James H Nelson) 16. 01:28 PM - Re: RG-174? (Matt Prather) 17. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 18. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Terry Watson) 19. 02:44 PM - Re: Total Newbie with many questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 20. 03:07 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (mosquito56) 21. 03:17 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (mosquito56) 22. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (LRE2@aol.com) 23. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Matt Prather) 24. 05:14 PM - AA batteries... (Dennis Golden) 25. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Dj Merrill) 26. 08:50 PM - Re: Instrument panel beginner (mosquito56) 27. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Werner Schneider) 28. 10:38 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Matt Prather) 29. 11:11 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel beginner (Werner Schneider) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:41 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT From: "Rhino" [quote="rbittner(at)us.ibm.com"]Hi. I have a Yaesu VXA-100 and the Yaesu external headset adapter cable. The standard PTT switch (which works fine with other radios & intercoms) does not work on this handheld/cable combination. It does not trigger tx. Is anyone out there using a Yaesu handheld radio with an external PTT? Do you have a wiring diagram that shows how to hook in an external PTT? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------- >+ Bob Bittner > [b] Bob, Yaesu tends to use standard connectors, so the pinout diagram for their standard 8 pin microphone connection should work in your case. Luckily, Yaesu makes ham radios as well, so several ham sites have pinout diagrams for their radios. Try this link. The 8 pin diagram is the second entry in the table of contents. Hope this helps. http://hamradio.online.ru/ftp3/All_YAESU_mods_from_mods_dk_in_ONE_file.pdf Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140390#140390 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:26 AM PST US From: "david stroud" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT These people may have to info or what you need, Bob. http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page6.htm I've been running a Yaesu vxa-100 for many years in my current ride but I cannot remember exactly how I got the PTT to work. There are only three inputs to handheld though, antenna, external power and the Headset adapter line wherein I think you'd find the PTT attach point. I think the PTT line just went from the adapter to the switch and then to ground. They've got the headset adapter thing for $44 but may part with the info only if you've got the plug etc. By the way, my old vxa-100 is the aviator PILOT model with VOR capability so they said. What Yaesu did not tell it's customers is that the VOR capability only works from a vehicle in a stationary postition. Kripes. When we bitched vehemently to their head office in California, they advised that an acceptable solution would be to take the unit back to where you bought it and upgrade (at your own cost) to the next higher model. Hmmm..... David Stroud Ottawa, Canada C-FDWS Christavia Fairchild 51 under construction ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhino" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT > > [quote="rbittner(at)us.ibm.com"]Hi. > I have a Yaesu VXA-100 and the Yaesu external headset adapter cable. The standard PTT switch (which works fine with other radios & intercoms) does not work on this handheld/cable combination. It does not trigger tx. > > Is anyone out there using a Yaesu handheld radio with an external PTT? > > Do you have a wiring diagram that shows how to hook in an external PTT? > > Thanks. > ---------------------------------------------- >+ > Bob Bittner > > > [b] > Bob, > > Yaesu tends to use standard connectors, so the pinout diagram for their standard 8 pin microphone connection should work in your case. Luckily, Yaesu makes ham radios as well, so several ham sites have pinout diagrams for their radios. Try this link. The 8 pin diagram is the second entry in the table of contents. Hope this helps. > > http://hamradio.online.ru/ftp3/All_YAESU_mods_from_mods_dk_in_ONE_file.pdf > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140390#140390 > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:06 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Nav/Com Antenna position At 10:00 PM 10/16/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >I read somewhere that it was recommended to leave a few feet between >NAV/COM antennas and GPS antennas. >This would mean that a typical Cessna doesn't meet the >recommendations, since many have a NAV/COM on each side of the cabin >roof and the GPS antenna in between. >Is this an important recommendation I should attempt to achieve ? >I could put the NAV/COM antennas outboard of the high wing fuel tanks, >giving me about 12 feet between them, but at a cost of longer cables >and future difficulty if they ever need replacement. >What is the best positioning for these antennas on a high wing all >aluminmum aircraft ? >Thanks, >Jeff Page >Dream Aircraft Tundra #10 Every supplier of every product has his/her list of fondest wishes for pristine installation maintenance and operation of their particular product. It's often difficult to know exactly where each item falls with respect to absolute requirements, risk mitigation, and "gee, wouldn't this be nice." In practice, planting the antenna farm on top of high wing airplane cabins has proven practical . . . even tho spacing was not compliant with the fondest wishes of all suppliers involved. Give it a try. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:25 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Welcome to the List Mr. Merritt At 01:17 PM 10/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > >Went to the site, input credit card number and saw a loadtester and some >shunts. Do I need the loadmaster? If I need the loadmaster, then do I need >shunt?Since I don't really understand shunts that well,(Understand is an >overcurrent dump), what size dump do I need. > >Zodiac 601xl, with jab3300 > > Current plans: > Dynon d100 > I-k technologies ems > Dual landing and dual taxi lights > Dual electric trim tabs > Electric flaps. Funky motor- get to that at later time, I think I > will need to change it out. It came with previously owned kit. > >If you could recommend whether I need a loadmaster, what shunt if needed I >will order imediately. >Don Lost you here Don. Yes, there are a few products other than the book and CD offered on the link I gave you . . . but until you've acquired the book and had some conversation with myself and others here on the List, making any recommendations for purchase of other products is premature. Suggest you get the book. You talked about entering your card number . . . but I've not seen an order come into the system under your name. To place an order, you fill out the data boxes at top, put quantities into boxes for each product you want to purchase and then click the "submit" box at the bottom. You will receive a receipt for your order via e-mail. When we fill your order you will get two more e-mails, one from the bank acknowledging the charge to your card and a receipt from us showing what all was shipped to you. If you offered some data with the intent of placing an order, I suspect you did not hit the submit button at the bottom and the order was never placed. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:05 AM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: AeroElectric-List: RG-174? I built a transponder antennae, and the plans I used called for using a surface mount SMA connector. Good enough, but now to get cable to match to it. I happened to have a spare antennae for my wireless router, with an SMA connector on one end. Inspect the cable, and it's RG-174. I haven't a clue what RG-174 is. Google-time. Search for "coax cable RG-174". The first hit is an ad, but the second one appears to be REAL information. John Bryant and Bill Bowers (didn't he design some antennae for airplanes?) ran some tests on the stuff. Appears that using it could cost you a dB...if you need 100ft. I need about 8, and I could make it shorter if I HAD to. So the question. Is there any reason NOT to use this thin, light, cheap cable? Just to take the obvious off the table: It can be delicate...Fix that with proper routing and strain relief. Those connectors are awfully small for my fat fingers...Deal with it, and do it over till you get it right. I'm thinking I will do good to cut the cable off this antennae since it already has the SMA connector and I know it works. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:33 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT I am using the VXA-700 and it has its own screw in micro connector that goes from the radio into an RCA coupler/splitter, which then goes into a FlyteCom mixer box, and then to a separate push to talk. My two cents worth. It would not work with other set ups, or with Dave Clark helmets, only the Fcom set up. Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhino Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:22 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Yaesu VXA-100 external PTT [quote="rbittner(at)us.ibm.com"]Hi. I have a Yaesu VXA-100 and the Yaesu external headset adapter cable. The standard PTT switch (which works fine with other radios & intercoms) does not work on this handheld/cable combination. It does not trigger tx. Is anyone out there using a Yaesu handheld radio with an external PTT? Do you have a wiring diagram that shows how to hook in an external PTT? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------- >+ Bob Bittner > [b] Bob, Yaesu tends to use standard connectors, so the pinout diagram for their standard 8 pin microphone connection should work in your case. Luckily, Yaesu makes ham radios as well, so several ham sites have pinout diagrams for their radios. Try this link. The 8 pin diagram is the second entry in the table of contents. Hope this helps. http://hamradio.online.ru/ftp3/All_YAESU_mods_from_mods_dk_in_ONE_file.pdf Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140390#140390 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RG-174? From: "Matt Prather" Why not use surface mount BNC connector? Or, why not use an SMA connector on the end of RG-400. I think one of the connectors listed on this page might work: http://www.smelectronics.us/smacableconnectorsa.htm Then again, you can buy premade cables with SMA on one end and BNC on the other. Eliminates the need to find correct crimp tools. If it's RG-174, as you pointed out, the losses will be small for short runs. Regards, Matt- > > > I built a transponder antennae, and the plans I used called for using a > surface mount SMA connector. Good enough, but now to get cable to match > to it. I happened to have a spare antennae for my wireless router, with > an SMA connector on one end. Inspect the cable, and it's RG-174. > > I haven't a clue what RG-174 is. > > Google-time. Search for "coax cable RG-174". The first hit is an ad, > but the second one appears to be REAL information. John Bryant and Bill > Bowers (didn't he design some antennae for airplanes?) ran some tests on > the stuff. Appears that using it could cost you a dB...if you need > 100ft. I need about 8, and I could make it shorter if I HAD to. > > So the question. Is there any reason NOT to use this thin, light, cheap > cable? > > Just to take the obvious off the table: > It can be delicate...Fix that with proper routing and strain relief. > Those connectors are awfully small for my fat fingers...Deal with it, > and do it over till you get it right. > > I'm thinking I will do good to cut the cable off this antennae since it > already has the SMA connector and I know it works. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:53 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Welcome to the List Mr. Merritt From: "mosquito56" Thanx for the info, maybe getting ahead of myself thanx. Ordering now Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140452#140452 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:59 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Total Newbie with many questions From: "mosquito56" I have a few questions but I am not sure if I should put my questions in 1 post or split them up into different post? Suggestions? -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140459#140459 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:08 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "mosquito56" I am not sure what "Whoa slow down means"? What am I doing to fast? I also have had some input regarding save my money and getting an autopilot. I only just got my spl license and only have 100 hrs total. This would make me equivalent to a two year old just learning to walk, so any input is definitely appreciated. If I bought the plane so I could fly it. Why do I want an autopilot? I get in the plane, take off, climb to altitude, turn toward heading and push a button on the autopilot? I then become a passenger until I have to contact atc for landing? I have flown thousands of hrs on Flight Sim with the autopilot engaged. I have NEVER flown in a small airplane with the autopilot engaged. Is there a major difference that I don't know about? Forgive me in advance, I tend to come off with an antagonistic attitude. I believe in honest straightforward discussion with honest direct words and don't mean to be antagonistic in any way. I can take honest criticismsisims. Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140464#140464 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:14 PM PST US From: Michael Ice Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner Don, Forgive me if my comment "Whoa slow down" offended you. Please feel free to order anything and everything you want from all the wonderful vendors. They will love you for it. Have fun, Mike Ice ----- Original Message ----- From: mosquito56 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner > 56@hotmail.com> > I am not sure what "Whoa slow down means"? What am I doing to > fast? > I also have had some input regarding save my money and > getting an autopilot. I only just got my spl license and only have > 100 hrs total. This would make me equivalent to a two year old > just learning to walk, so any input is definitely appreciated. > If I bought the plane so I could fly it. Why do I want an > autopilot? I get in the plane, take off, climb to altitude, turn > toward heading and push a button on the autopilot? I then become a > passenger until I have to contact atc for landing? > I have flown thousands of hrs on Flight Sim with the autopilot > engaged. I have NEVER flown in a small airplane with the autopilot > engaged. Is there a major difference that I don't know about? > > Forgive me in advance, > I tend to come off with an antagonistic attitude. I believe in > honest straightforward discussion with honest direct words and > don't mean to be antagonistic in any way. I can take honest > criticismsisims.Don > > -------- > Don Merritt > KLRD > Rans S-12 Flying not built > Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140464#140464 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:30 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Total Newbie with many questions On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:55:10 -0700 "mosquito56" wrote: > > I have a few questions but I am not sure if I should put my questions in 1 post or split them up into different post? Suggestions? > In my experience, if the questions are on closely related subjects, they should probably go in one post. But, if the subject areas are not closely related, it will be easier to follow the discussions if each distinct aspect is in a different message thread. do not archive (these magic words tell Matt's computer not to put this message in the on line archive) Kevin Horton ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:17 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RG-174? Matt Prather wrote: > > Why not use surface mount BNC connector? Or, why not use an SMA connector > on the end of RG-400. The plans said to use SMA. The antennae is awfully small, and so the SMA didn't seem like a half bad idea. http://ernest.isa-geek.org/Delta/Pictures/TransponderAntennae.jpg Most of all, I think you missed the part where I said I have a cable in hand. 8*) Changing to BNC might be a good experiment...except that I already have a cable in my hand. The question was directed more at the suitability of RG-174. There's a lot of back and forth about RG-58 vs RG-400, but RG-174 I've not heard about. It is MUCH thinner, more flexible, no more expensive, just as available (now that the RatShack is useless and everything is ordered off the internet anyway) and lighter. I'm looking for a solid reason NOT to use it, because I've not heard about it and those unknown unknowns are the ones that will get you killed. Other than that minor detail, it looks like a winner all the way around. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Hibbing" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner Why do you want an autopilot? Hmmm...if JFK Jr was still around he probably could tell you. The NTSB has got a book a couple of inches thick with the reports of people that had the "why would I need an autopilot" attitude. They keep it right next to the book of the guys whose famous last words were "watch this you guys." I don't mean to be antagonistic and just passing along my $.02 worth. Bill Glasair SIIS-FT ----- Original Message ----- From: "mosquito56" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner > > > I am not sure what "Whoa slow down means"? What am I doing to fast? > I also have had some input regarding save my money and getting an > autopilot. I only just got my spl license and only have 100 hrs total. > This would make me equivalent to a two year old just learning to walk, so > any input is definitely appreciated. > If I bought the plane so I could fly it. Why do I want an autopilot? I > get in the plane, take off, climb to altitude, turn toward heading and > push a button on the autopilot? I then become a passenger until I have to > contact atc for landing? > I have flown thousands of hrs on Flight Sim with the autopilot engaged. > I have NEVER flown in a small airplane with the autopilot engaged. Is > there a major difference that I don't know about? > > Forgive me in advance, > I tend to come off with an antagonistic attitude. I believe in honest > straightforward discussion with honest direct words and don't mean to be > antagonistic in any way. I can take honest criticismsisims. > Don > > -------- > Don Merritt > KLRD > Rans S-12 Flying not built > Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140464#140464 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:46 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Instrument panel beginner From: James H Nelson Don, In todays airspace, keeping your head out of the cockpit and watching for traffic is a death defying task. The auto pilot will allow you to keep ahead of your airplane and use your map. It is like a friend along to do the mundane keep it level and going straight ahead while you talk to maybe enroute or checking atis ect. My first plane (I built) needed it because it would slooowly roll off heading and go downward as I tried to look at the map. No hands off flying for more than a few moments. Takes the fun out of cross countrys. Thus, my new build has a TT wing leveler and altitude hold. I can now go solo on long cross countrys and enjoy it. I would have one before I got any AH or DG for the panel. Then it would be an inexpensive (?) glass panel to replace the horizon. and directional gyro openings. Think of resale. Then again, look at your pocket book and work into the future. Jim ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RG-174? From: "Matt Prather" Sorry, I did miss the fact that you already have a cable.. If it's not too difficult to swap it later, I'd try running the cable you already have - it's paid for. If the performance isn't acceptable, change it for something lower loss at TXP frequency. I notice that around 1000MHz, RG-174 is significantly more lossy than the larger diameter cables.. There will be a measurable drop in radiated power (if you chose to look), but that might not affect system performance noticeably. TXP works line of sight, and the ground station antennas are likely pretty well optimized. Regards, Matt- > > > Matt Prather wrote: >> >> >> Why not use surface mount BNC connector? Or, why not use an SMA >> connector >> on the end of RG-400. > > The plans said to use SMA. The antennae is awfully small, and so the > SMA didn't seem like a half bad idea. > http://ernest.isa-geek.org/Delta/Pictures/TransponderAntennae.jpg > Most of all, I think you missed the part where I said I have a cable in > hand. 8*) Changing to BNC might be a good experiment...except that I > already have a cable in my hand. > > > The question was directed more at the suitability of RG-174. There's a > lot of back and forth about RG-58 vs RG-400, but RG-174 I've not heard > about. It is MUCH thinner, more flexible, no more expensive, just as > available (now that the RatShack is useless and everything is ordered > off the internet anyway) and lighter. I'm looking for a solid reason > NOT to use it, because I've not heard about it and those unknown > unknowns are the ones that will get you killed. Other than that minor > detail, it looks like a winner all the way around. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:08 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Depends what you want the airplane for. I had a Zodiac and flew it for 400 hours...Loved it. I ended up using it primarily for cross country work. It didn't have an autopilot but I found that I was constantly adjusting my heading to keep going where I wanted it to go. I never in my 600 hours of flying needed an artificial horizon...I could see that if I took off in marginal weather and got cutoff by the low clouds that POSSIBLY being able to keep the thing flying straight and level (While you asked ATC for help) could be a benefit. So, no I don't think you need either an AI or a/p...but if I were to make an upgrade, the first place I would spend my money would be on an autopilot instead of a Dynon or similar. The reason being is that you would only need the Dynon in an emergency (and believe me if you got into clouds that IS an emergency) but you could use the A/P all the time to make for relaxed cross country flying....If you had a weather emergency you can simply engage the A/P and it will keep your wings level and you can fly in any direction simply by turning the knob to any desired heading...Say ATC said "Turn left fly heading 360"..If you were a low time VFR pilot you could very easily loose control of the airplane during such a manouver, but the A/P will do it for you in complete safety. Flying a real airplane is not like flight sim...But you can make it so with an autopilot but really a glass panel is a waste of money for a simple light airplane IMO. If you had a really small panel like in a S1 Pitts then you can buy a Dynon D180? And save a whole bunch of space that way but you really don't have that problem in the Zodiac. As you have just ordered your kit you have lots of time to make this decision, and avioincs is getting better all the time. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mosquito56 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner --> I am not sure what "Whoa slow down means"? What am I doing to fast? I also have had some input regarding save my money and getting an autopilot. I only just got my spl license and only have 100 hrs total. This would make me equivalent to a two year old just learning to walk, so any input is definitely appreciated. If I bought the plane so I could fly it. Why do I want an autopilot? I get in the plane, take off, climb to altitude, turn toward heading and push a button on the autopilot? I then become a passenger until I have to contact atc for landing? I have flown thousands of hrs on Flight Sim with the autopilot engaged. I have NEVER flown in a small airplane with the autopilot engaged. Is there a major difference that I don't know about? Forgive me in advance, I tend to come off with an antagonistic attitude. I believe in honest straightforward discussion with honest direct words and don't mean to be antagonistic in any way. I can take honest criticismsisims. Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140464#140464 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:49 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner I am definitely sold on the idea of an autopilot for my RV-8A, but for a light sport like I think he is building where the intended mission is local recreational flying, I don't think the need is so obvious. As to the "woa, slow down" comment, I thought it was quite appropriate if taken without offense. There is a lot to know before the final decisions on instruments and radios are made. Building gets you immersed in the process of creating your own personal airplane and at least in my case, my decisions keep changing as I learn more and more choices become possible. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hibbing Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner Why do you want an autopilot? Hmmm...if JFK Jr was still around he probably could tell you. The NTSB has got a book a couple of inches thick with the reports of people that had the "why would I need an autopilot" attitude. They keep it right next to the book of the guys whose famous last words were "watch this you guys." I don't mean to be antagonistic and just passing along my $.02 worth. Bill Glasair SIIS-FT ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:37 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Total Newbie with many questions At 11:55 AM 10/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > >I have a few questions but I am not sure if I should put my questions in 1 >post or split them up into different post? Suggestions? What ever suits you. We're not terribly good at keeping the subject of any particular thread "pure" anyhow. But one question per posting with a lucid subject line is always okay. How may we be of service? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:07 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "mosquito56" No offense taken anytime, anywhere by anyone except my wife. Can you be a little more specific. I don't get what you mean. How much do I need to know to ask a question? Sorry, you have me totally confused. Don -------- Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx Apologies if I seem antagonistic. I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance in this thing we call life. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140512#140512 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:09 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "mosquito56" I thank you all as you have saved me massive amounts of money. I only reason I wanted a dynon was for the artificial horizon for the weather emergency problem. With the autopilot, I can set atitude and heading and pray for a hole. If I get to close to atc territory I can yell for help. THANX A BUNCH -------- Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx Apologies if I seem antagonistic. I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance in this thing we call life. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140515#140515 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:58 PM PST US From: LRE2@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner There are no "dumb Questions"... but sometimes questions need to be asked several times in different ways, before the answers make sense. We've all been there. and from time to time, still are. LRE2 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:08 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "Matt Prather" Sounds right to me.. I'll just interject that many autopilots include turn rate indicator functionality - so you get that in the bargain. I think those autopilots are that best bet. And, the total cost of a mechanical airspeed and sensitive altimeter, (the only basic flight instruments provided by an EFIS which are _required_ for VFR operations) are much less than any of the EFIS systems. I have many hours in airplanes where the only additional flight instruments are a slip/skid indicator and a compass. I've done long x-country flights like that. No big deal if you don't push the weather. So, hierarchy of level of _flight instrument_ equipment would be as follows: 1. Mech Airspeed, Sensitive Altimeter --> Basic day VFR flight, maybe with a few sunset/sunrise runs if equipped with appropriate lights. 2. Above plus turn-rate indicating wing leveler (usually can be coupled with a handheld GPS) --> Upgraded VFR x-country setup. Would feel comfortable with some night VFR - _good_ vis. (CAVU) only. I'm chicken. 3. Above plus EFIS (I'd consider replacing the function of the mechanical altimeter and airspeed with GPS data) --> light IFR (getting through a cloud deck of known thickness - coastal marine layer, weak frontal conditions, inversion haze). Single engine airplanes flown for fun by private pilots shouldn't generally be out making long flights in the crud and shooting approaches to mins - my opinion. If the EFIS craps out, the wing leveler and GPS data will get me someplace where the weather is better, and even let me shoot an approach if absolutely necessary (done it). Having this equipment also implies that no _single_ component failure (EFIS, AP, GPS, battery, alternator) will endanger the flight.. Regards, Matt- > > > I am definitely sold on the idea of an autopilot for my RV-8A, but for a > light sport like I think he is building where the intended mission is > local > recreational flying, I don't think the need is so obvious. > > As to the "woa, slow down" comment, I thought it was quite appropriate if > taken without offense. There is a lot to know before the final decisions > on > instruments and radios are made. Building gets you immersed in the process > of creating your own personal airplane and at least in my case, my > decisions > keep changing as I learn more and more choices become possible. > > Terry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Hibbing > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:48 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner > > > > Why do you want an autopilot? Hmmm...if JFK Jr was still around he > probably > > could tell you. The NTSB has got a book a couple of inches thick with the > reports of people that had the "why would I need an autopilot" attitude. > They keep it right next to the book of the guys whose famous last words > were > > "watch this you guys." I don't mean to be antagonistic and just passing > along my $.02 worth. > > Bill > Glasair SIIS-FT > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:59 PM PST US From: Dennis Golden Subject: AeroElectric-List: AA batteries... Bob, Have you seen this: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/824477/6_volt_battery_hack_youll_be_amazed/ Dennis -- Dennis Golden Golden Consulting Services, Inc. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: Dj Merrill mosquito56 wrote: > > I thank you all as you have saved me massive amounts of money. I only reason I wanted a dynon was for the artificial horizon for the weather emergency problem. > With the autopilot, I can set atitude and heading and pray for a hole. If I get to close to atc territory I can yell for help. > THANX A BUNCH You could look at something like the Trutrak ADI Pilot II, which is an autopilot with an attitude display if you wanted both of those features: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/instruments_ADI_pilot_2.htm -Dj -- Dj Merrill Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 http://deej.net/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:09 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "mosquito56" LMAO, now suggesting I replace a $2,000 overly expensive system with a $4,000 system. What am I missing? I can't seem to find an autopilot cheaper then the dynon d-100 Don -------- Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx Apologies if I seem antagonistic. I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance in this thing we call life. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140572#140572 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:39 PM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner Don, you do not need a full fledged 2-axis to have a second pilot on board, so the Trutrak digitrak for 1650$ or the Trio EZ Pilot for 1770$ would do, that coupled with a nice GPS will keep you "wing level" and on track. From there you can upgrade for some more dollars with the ADI Pilot to have roll and pitch info. The altitude hold can in most airplanes be left to the manual pilot (you). About the EFIS and mechanical gauges I keep my mouth shut as I'm biased ;-) but I can mostly agree to what Matt did put down in his mail (it's just so nice to have all relevant flight info on one screen 8-) ) Werner mosquito56 wrote: > > LMAO, now suggesting I replace a $2,000 overly expensive system with a $4,000 system. What am I missing? > I can't seem to find an autopilot cheaper then the dynon d-100 > Don > > -------- > Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx > Apologies if I seem antagonistic. > I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance in this thing we call life. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140572#140572 > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner From: "Matt Prather" These come recommended: http://www.trioavionics.com/ez_pilot.htm http://www.navaid-devices.com/hardware.htm $1770 and $1300, respectively. Regards, Matt- > > > LMAO, now suggesting I replace a $2,000 overly expensive system with a > $4,000 system. What am I missing? > I can't seem to find an autopilot cheaper then the dynon d-100 > Don > > -------- > Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx > Apologies if I seem antagonistic. > I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals > for assistance in this thing we call life. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140572#140572 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:22 PM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Instrument panel beginner Hello Matt, my experience with Navaid are in a way I would not recommend them. However trutrak is missing in your link list :-) MOHO Werner Matt Prather wrote: > > These come recommended: > > http://www.trioavionics.com/ez_pilot.htm > > http://www.navaid-devices.com/hardware.htm > > $1770 and $1300, respectively. > > > Regards, > > Matt- > > > >> >> >> LMAO, now suggesting I replace a $2,000 overly expensive system with a >> $4,000 system. What am I missing? >> I can't seem to find an autopilot cheaper then the dynon d-100 >> Don >> >> -------- >> Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx >> Apologies if I seem antagonistic. >> I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals >> for assistance in this thing we call life. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140572#140572 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.